Prediction: Wes Welker will lead Pat's in receptions (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

Problem is, I don't think Welker is very good. Sure if Moss and Stallworth aren't on the field Welker will have to get a ton of balls, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Troy Brown used to be.

I disagree.Pioli and Belichick aren't stupid. They are good talent evaluators and gave up a lot to get this guy.

FWIW, all three of the offensive lineman the Patriots drafted in April did not make the final roster.http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/PatsBl...verde_brow.html

 

[Skinsfansince72]

Possible but in a TD heavy league he does nt much value .

In a td heavy league, Pats wr's are usually very mediocre. One being no better than the next.

Because they never had decent WR's so it s obvious they never had a go to guy . It s the first year they have talent at WR i expect Moss to score 10 TD s.

Moss might damn well score 10 td. I'm not sure how anybody can EXPECT it though. It's been a while since he's been that productive. If he's their "go to" guy, they are in trouble. Of course I have a difficult time believing that he will be. Brady will spread it around and toss underneath like he always does. They won 3 super bowls doing things that way and I see no reason why adding an over the hill Moss, a constantly injured Stallworth and a kick returner/3wr is going to change that.

 

[HellToupee]

Problem is, I don't think Welker is very good. Sure if Moss and Stallworth aren't on the field Welker will have to get a ton of balls, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Troy Brown used to be.

I disagree.Pioli and Belichick aren't stupid. They are good talent evaluators and gave up a lot to get this guy.

FWIW, all three of the offensive lineman the Patriots drafted in April did not make the final roster.http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/PatsBl...verde_brow.html

the Patriots signed Oldenburg(OL), their 5th round pick to the practice squad. The 2 OLs taken in the 6th rnd compensatory & 7th rd compensatory pick were't seigned to the PS as of yet.

 

[Jason Wood]

The absurdity of the love for Wes Welker is only eclipsed by the absurdity of expectations for Anthony Gonzalez in Indy this year.

 

[HellToupee]

3 catches, 4 targets & a TD in the opening drive

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Welker is going to be huge in PPR leagues this year.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Welker Moss is going to be huge in PPR leagues this year.

Fixed.

 

[Darth Cheney]

He'sssss backkkk......

 

[Peyton Marino]

Welker Moss is going to be huge in PPR leagues this year.

Fixed.

fixed.

 

[HellToupee]

He should grab upwards of 80 balls this season.

I've predicted Welker would lead the team in receptions for weeks now. His numbers may not be spectacular, but they should fall around 70 catches, 750 yards and up to 4 TDs if he plays a full season. Not very good fantasy value, esp. in leagues that don't score ppr.

Can you show me your full projections for the Patriots passing offense? 70-80 catches seems absurd based on my current thinking, so I wonder where else we must disagree. Perhaps you'll get me to change my mind.

Only 2 games into the season but have you changed your mind yet??

 

[Bri]

The absurdity of the love for Wes Welker is only eclipsed by the absurdity of expectations for Anthony Gonzalez in Indy this year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

He should grab upwards of 80 balls this season. :(

I've predicted Welker would lead the team in receptions for weeks now. His numbers may not be spectacular, but they should fall around 70 catches, 750 yards and up to 4 TDs if he plays a full season. Not very good fantasy value, esp. in leagues that don't score ppr.

Can you show me your full projections for the Patriots passing offense? 70-80 catches seems absurd based on my current thinking, so I wonder where else we must disagree. Perhaps you'll get me to change my mind.

Only 2 games into the season but have you changed your mind yet??

Stallworth has just 3 receptions. I'm not sure why, but if that continues, then yes, I'd change my mind.I don't expect that to continue, though.

 

[joelib77]

Problem is, I don't think Welker is very good. Sure if Moss and Stallworth aren't on the field Welker will have to get a ton of balls, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Troy Brown used to be.

I disagree.Pioli and Belichick aren't stupid. They are good talent evaluators and gave up a lot to get this guy.He was easily the best wr in camp + Brady's favorite target.

No, Belichick and Pioli aren't stupid, but they're not perfect, either. They've both made several mistakes over the past few years. Certainly more things than not have worked out for them, but Wes Welker isn't worth a 2nd round pick.If the Browns had traded for Welker, I doubt you'd be saying that Welker is a talented, good NFL WR.

Chase, how are you feeling about these comments right now? Still think Welker "isn't very good"? I mean, have you even seen this guy on the field? Not very good? He's incredibly tough, energetic, smart, shifty, quick and fast. He gets excellent separation and is fearless over the middle.You have made me furious. I hope you're happy.

 

[twitch]

Yeah, Ive gotta say coming into the season I hadnt seen much of Welker. And I wasnt quite getting the picks it took to get him. I liked that he could return, play the slot and offered versatility. But the guy is quick as a cat and a playmaker and role player, and I almost hope they dont use him much now on returns, so he doesnt get banged up. he's a whole lot better a receiver than Id known. I just hope he's durable because he's gonna catch a ton of balls this year.

 

[greenline]

Problem is, I don't think Welker is very good. Sure if Moss and Stallworth aren't on the field Welker will have to get a ton of balls, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Troy Brown used to be.

I disagree.Pioli and Belichick aren't stupid. They are good talent evaluators and gave up a lot to get this guy.

FWIW, all three of the offensive lineman the Patriots drafted in April did not make the final roster.http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/PatsBl...verde_brow.html

so what?

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Fantasy regular seasons over and 3 to go for the real thing:

11 reception lead

NFL Receptions

Rank Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long

1 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 96 966 10.1 11 42

2 Wes Welker NE ............93 974 10.5 8 42

3 Derrick Mason BAL ...........88 872 9.9 3 28

4 Randy Moss NE ................82 1264 15.4 19 63

5 Larry Fitzgerald ARI ..........81 1139 14.1 7 48

6 Jason Witten DAL ..............80 955 11.9 7 53

7 Torry Holt STL ..................80 1034 12.9 6 40

8 Chad Johnson CIN ............79 1187 15.0 6 56

9 Tony Gonzalez KC ............79 954 12.1 5 31

10 Marques Colston NO ........79 978 12.4 8 45

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/stats/leader...EC/2007/regular

 

[mchaps55]

jason wood

 

[Horses Mouth]

I loved Wes when seeing him here in Miami. I was shocked at his trade. He was the highlight for me last year and deserves all his due this year. Congrats to Wes and Thumper for the prediction.

 

[shadyridr]

Problem is, I don't think Welker is very good. Sure if Moss and Stallworth aren't on the field Welker will have to get a ton of balls, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Troy Brown used to be.

I disagree.Pioli and Belichick aren't stupid. They are good talent evaluators and gave up a lot to get this guy.He was easily the best wr in camp + Brady's favorite target.

Problem is, as Chase said, he's not really all that good.

O RLY?

 

[shadyridr]

jason wood

You mean Chase Stuart

 

[Ghost Rider]

Based on his posts in this thread, I suspect Chase Stuart will say that those predicting Welker to have a good year like he is having, had no idea that the Patriots entire offense would blow up the way it has, and that his numbers are a reflection of the entire Patriots passing game flourishing.

If NE had put up numbers similar to those they have had with Brady, Welker wouldn't come close to the numbers he is at. Now, it would be easy to say that Welker is a big reason why the offense has been so good, but I think it is the other way around. He has been better than I gave him credit for being, but I think many possession WRs in the NFL could have similar numbers if they had his spot in the NE lineup. Welker is open constantly, as defenses are always terrified of getting beat by Moss and Stallworth (who is a deep threat, when healthy), not to mention that the WRs have forever to try and get open, with as much time as Brady is given on almost every play by his offensive line. With as many weapons as they have in that offense, heck, I think I could catch 50 balls for them! Please note that my tongue in slightly in cheek with those last few comments.

 

[switz]

Based on his posts in this thread, I suspect Chase Stuart will say that those predicting Welker to have a good year like he is having, had no idea that the Patriots entire offense would blow up the way it has, and that his numbers are a reflection of the entire Patriots passing game flourishing. If NE had put up numbers similar to those they have had with Brady, Welker wouldn't come close to the numbers he is at. Now, it would be easy to say that Welker is a big reason why the offense has been so good, but I think it is the other way around. He has been better than I gave him credit for being, but I think many possession WRs in the NFL could have similar numbers if they had his spot in the NE lineup. Welker is open constantly, as defenses are always terrified of getting beat by Moss and Stallworth (who is a deep threat, when healthy), not to mention that the WRs have forever to try and get open, with as much time as Brady is given on almost every play by his offensive line. With as many weapons as they have in that offense, heck, I think I could catch 50 balls for them! Please note that my tongue in slightly in cheek with those last few comments.

As I said before, Welker is Steve Tasker. Quick ST guy, who in the right situation will excel, but on his own is not a special talent as a WR.This type of player typically makes an excellent slot WR because of their toughness, and quickness.Don't construe this as a knock on Welker, he is the perfect player in the perfect situation.Of note: Moss is not far behind in receptions, and could lead the Pats in catches by the end of the year.Also, why did this thread get resurrected, and not the Moss 12 (10?) TD thread?? Because he's already killed, squashed, etc. that thread and its naysayers.

 

[mozzy84]

I welker. Got him 12th round or later in four leagues because of threads like this, thanks thumper and all the preseason bashers who responed.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Based on his posts in this thread, I suspect Chase Stuart will say that those predicting Welker to have a good year like he is having, had no idea that the Patriots entire offense would blow up the way it has, and that his numbers are a reflection of the entire Patriots passing game flourishing.

If NE had put up numbers similar to those they have had with Brady, Welker wouldn't come close to the numbers he is at. Now, it would be easy to say that Welker is a big reason why the offense has been so good, but I think it is the other way around. He has been better than I gave him credit for being, but I think many possession WRs in the NFL could have similar numbers if they had his spot in the NE lineup. Welker is open constantly, as defenses are always terrified of getting beat by Moss and Stallworth (who is a deep threat, when healthy), not to mention that the WRs have forever to try and get open, with as much time as Brady is given on almost every play by his offensive line. With as many weapons as they have in that offense, heck, I think I could catch 50 balls for them! Please note that my tongue in slightly in cheek with those last few comments.

As I said before, Welker is Steve Tasker. Quick ST guy, who in the right situation will excel, but on his own is not a special talent as a WR.

This type of player typically makes an excellent slot WR because of their toughness, and quickness.

Don't construe this as a knock on Welker, he is the perfect player in the perfect situation.

Of note: Moss is not far behind in receptions, and could lead the Pats in catches by the end of the year.

Also, why did this thread get resurrected, and not the Moss 12 (10?) TD thread?? Because he's already killed, squashed, etc. that thread and its naysayers.

...and what does either of these collections of babble have to do with anything?The facts are the facts. For whatever reason you didn't see this, you didn't see it. It doesn't make you bad guys, just wrong guys.

We don't get too many "burning bushes", but the addition of Moss & Welker told us to get Brady at all cost. What is happening wouldn't have happened without both of them. None of the other receivers makes any difference from prior year versions of the Patriots.

Welker is a better football player at a receiver position than any other Patriot other than Moss in the Brady era. Welker is the leading receiver (leader in receptions) on the team.

 

[switz]

Based on his posts in this thread, I suspect Chase Stuart will say that those predicting Welker to have a good year like he is having, had no idea that the Patriots entire offense would blow up the way it has, and that his numbers are a reflection of the entire Patriots passing game flourishing.

If NE had put up numbers similar to those they have had with Brady, Welker wouldn't come close to the numbers he is at. Now, it would be easy to say that Welker is a big reason why the offense has been so good, but I think it is the other way around. He has been better than I gave him credit for being, but I think many possession WRs in the NFL could have similar numbers if they had his spot in the NE lineup. Welker is open constantly, as defenses are always terrified of getting beat by Moss and Stallworth (who is a deep threat, when healthy), not to mention that the WRs have forever to try and get open, with as much time as Brady is given on almost every play by his offensive line. With as many weapons as they have in that offense, heck, I think I could catch 50 balls for them! Please note that my tongue in slightly in cheek with those last few comments.

As I said before, Welker is Steve Tasker. Quick ST guy, who in the right situation will excel, but on his own is not a special talent as a WR.

This type of player typically makes an excellent slot WR because of their toughness, and quickness.

Don't construe this as a knock on Welker, he is the perfect player in the perfect situation.

Of note: Moss is not far behind in receptions, and could lead the Pats in catches by the end of the year.

Also, why did this thread get resurrected, and not the Moss 12 (10?) TD thread?? Because he's already killed, squashed, etc. that thread and its naysayers.

...and what does either of these collections of babble have to do with anything?The facts are the facts. For whatever reason you didn't see this, you didn't see it. It doesn't make you bad guys, just wrong guys.

We don't get too many "burning bushes", but the addition of Moss & Welker told us to get Brady at all cost. What is happening wouldn't have happened without both of them. None of the other receivers makes any difference from prior year versions of the Patriots.

Welker is a better football player at a receiver position than any other Patriot other than Moss in the Brady era. Welker is the leading receiver (leader in receptions) on the team.

Was anyone saying someone wasn't wrong about Welker? Or just the reasoning that led people to wrong conclusions?

 

[Tanner9919]

Problem is, I don't think Welker is very good. Sure if Moss and Stallworth aren't on the field Welker will have to get a ton of balls, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as Troy Brown used to be.

I don't know about that..Bellichick said the main reason they acquired Welker this off-season,was because they simply could not cover the guy when the Pats played the Dolphins, and that they were enamored with his toughness and ability..Right now, Brown is banged up, Stallworth will be banged up shortly ( he's always hurt), and no one knows what Randy Moss will do, if anything. Enter Welker.Even if these other WR's play, Welker figures to see plenty of action , because the defenses will be focused on Moss/Stallworth, and trying to stop the run. They'll forget about the WR working the underneath routes when NE sends everyone else out deep down the field, including Watson..Brady loves guys running the tough crossing routes over the middle.Welker is as fearless as they get.He should grab upwards of 80 balls this season.

this was dead-on..

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Once again, tons of props go to Boston Globe writer Mike Reiss who told us this when we interviewed him in June:

Lammey: Asante Samuel certainly a great playmaker, let's go back to the wide receiver corps. We talk about Randy Moss. Donte Stallworth, if healthy, that's the key with Stallworth, he's certainly a playmaker, but the guy I really like, and Bloom loves him too, is Wes Welker coming over from the Dolphins. This guy is basically a new Troy Brown, wouldn't you say?

MR: I would. Very impressive - you look at the Patriots offense and what they want to do this year, I think you can make a case that Welker might lead the team in receptions. Coming off a career high 67 catch season last year in Miami, and with Tom Brady throwing the ball, that number could go even higher. He's going to play out of the slot, and the Patriots, in that position, look for a guy in the intermediate routes who can operate in tight spaces, get in and out of his cuts quickly, and Welker has looked terrific. I know that they haven't had pads on in these practices, but very impressive, you can already see the rapport developing with Tom Brady the quarterback. I'd say if you're looking for a guy to really emerge, if you're a fantasy football player out there, don't turn your back on Wes Welker, I think he's going to be a big time part of this offense this season.

We'll be doing the offseason beat writer tour again from May-July.

 

[Footballg]

Looks like there are some Welker doubters that need to own up to their poor judgement on this one.