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Predictions on Peterson's Suspension this yr (1 Viewer)

How Long this yr

  • Just deactivated for this game, will tie up in the legal system for the rest of the yr

    Votes: 84 20.1%
  • 1 - 2 games

    Votes: 36 8.6%
  • 3 - 4 games

    Votes: 49 11.7%
  • 5 - 8 games

    Votes: 112 26.8%
  • Indefinitely

    Votes: 137 32.8%

  • Total voters
    418
NFL = No Fn Logic when it comes to these punishments.

Beating a 4 year old with a stick is at least the equivalent of a left hook to an adult female. At least. To me it is significantly worse.

That may not be the way it plays out, but I'd have a hard time rooting for Peterson if I were a Vikings fan.

I can't see them trotting him out there for a good long time. If I'm not mistaken the presence of a child during an incidence of DV is considered an aggravating variable...violence directed at a child has to be a step further.
FYI...I can pull photo after photo from Peterson's Twitter and other social media feeds that show him time and time again doing wonderful things for kids that are not his. I'm not condoning or forgiving him but as mad as you are at him and rightly so, let's also not forget that Peterson does a lot of good for disadvantage kids and has an awful lot of photos taken of him making a difference way before these recent charges. In general he looks like he takes the time with a lot of young NFL fans. I don't believe in my heart that Peterson thought what he did was wrong. I still believe Peterson should be punished and at the very least the new 6 game mandatory domestic violence consequence should be upheld by the Commisioner who implemented these new punishments.What are we talking here? Are folks thinking that Peterson should have his children taken away or lose parental rights? Think about what you are suggesting in regards to all the other kids that are not Peterson's but victims of domestic abuse by a parent. Where do these kids go? Some folks seem to be under the misguided notion that adults are just waiting to take these kids in. Maybe a few of you would instantly jump to take in this child but understand that most of the time social services does not want to break up families. There are a lot of unwanted kids in this country with no parents to take care of them, I hope some of this outrage sparks a few of you to adopt some of these needy kids from abusive homes.
Maybe I missed this if already post, but what is his relationship with the boy? Is he his biological father, step-father...I wonder if this is a son he raises on a day to day basis. I remember he had one son that was killed by the mothers boyfriend; I think he was 2, and aside from child support, he had nothing to do with that child.
It doesn't matter what his relationship is with the child. It is child abuse. This was not a casual spanking with a switch. It was extreme punishment for a 4 year old who simply pushed his older brother. Stuffing leaves in a 4 year olds mouth is abuse. Inflicting multiple open wounds on his body is abuse. Hitting him in the scrotum is abuse. He needs to be one until he gets appropriate punishment and treatment.
That was an odd response to my post. I agree he abused the child and have no problem if he never sees the field again.It's already been documented that he had (so sad) one child who he had no communication with; just paid the child support. My question was whether this was another situation like that, or of he really parented this child. Doesn't change his culpability.

 
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Goodell is going to look like a moron no matter how he handles this and that is why he shouldn't be running the NFL anymore.
He and the NFL have now made players negative behavior a bigger deal than it was before they started suspending players left and right. They created a subplot to every player who gets in trouble, the subplot being what will the NFL do or not do followed by endless debate if it was to harsh or not harsh enough with the subplot often being more of a major story then the original thing the player did wrong.

What he's mainly accomplished is making negative player behavior a bigger story than it ever was before while at the same time removing marquee stars from the game. None of this is good for the game.

 
looking like the answer is A

The Vikings have reinstated Adrian Peterson and he is expected to play in Sunday's Week 3 game at New England.

The Vikings are using the "due process" excuse following Peterson's indictment on charges of reckless and negligent injury to a child. Of course, if Peterson wasn't the best player on the team then he'd be held to a different standard. "Today's decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration," read a Monday statement from the Vikings. "As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday's game, this is clearly a very important issue." The NFL's hands could also be tied as Peterson's case winds its way through the courts. Still, we'd hold Matt Asiata on rosters just in case Roger Goodell steps in.
 
looking like the answer is A

The Vikings have reinstated Adrian Peterson and he is expected to play in Sunday's Week 3 game at New England.

The Vikings are using the "due process" excuse following Peterson's indictment on charges of reckless and negligent injury to a child. Of course, if Peterson wasn't the best player on the team then he'd be held to a different standard. "Today's decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration," read a Monday statement from the Vikings. "As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday's game, this is clearly a very important issue." The NFL's hands could also be tied as Peterson's case winds its way through the courts. Still, we'd hold Matt Asiata on rosters just in case Roger Goodell steps in.
the nfl and the disciplinary aspect of it is just in a weird place right now.
 
Eh, whatever. Chalk me up as someone who doesn't really care about this much.

He messed up, admitted to it thoroughly (which never happens), has no history of violent behavior off the field (right?), and did something that was commonplace when he was growing up. On top of that the injuries in that photo did not appear to be even close to permanent. I bet they were completely healed in a week.

I have a close friend that is involved in social care. She looked at those photos and read about the situation and basically laughed. This case is better than the least-bad case she deals with on a yearly basis. It's nothing compared to people who are actual child-abusers.

Whenever the legal process finishes he'll get his 6 games, but I think it's too much.

 
Goodell presently does not have the credibility to impose a suspension on Peterson. Again, this so-called game is big business. And there is no way a superstar running back is held out given his value to his team (coming off a serious beating) and overall impact on betting, fantasy, etc. I voted, cynically, yesterday on the entry for 1-game suspension. Is there justice or fairness here? Those matters are irrelevant when one considers what's best for business.

 
Correct me if I heard wrong (and I am hopeful I did), but there was an injury to the kid's scrotum?

I guess the Vikings feel like he should play?

 
(I know, I know, bumping another AP thread - but I really don't care to discuss the morality of the beating in TSP and FF-wise all that matters is how long will he be suspended).

Ok so what's happening?

1. - AP is allowed to play pending due process?

OR

2. - The Vikes reconsider their decision this morning re: No. 1? - See the Governor of MN chiming in.

OR

3. - The NFL brings down a 6/8/season-long game boom.

 
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(I know, I know, bumping another AP thread - but I really don't care to discuss the morality of the beating in TSP and FF-wise all that matters is how long will he be suspended).

Ok so what's happening?

1. - AP is allowed to play pending due process?

OR

2. - The Vikes reconsider their decision this morning re: No. 1? - See the Governor of MN chiming in.

OR

3. - The NFL brings down a 6/8/season-long game boom.
I don't believe the Vikings would have reinstated AP without assurance from Goodell that they were not going to suspend him this year.*

*Edit: Anything can happen in the NFL.

 
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I don't know if this has been addressed, but without AP the Vikings are obviously a less valuable franchise (though still worth a ton obviously). Without their most visible player they may not get a new stadium. So from that, you might can make the argument they move to LA. The stadium was probably built with visions of him playing in it even if at the twilight of his career. I think they're handling this with that in mind.

 
I don't know if this has been addressed, but without AP the Vikings are obviously a less valuable franchise (though still worth a ton obviously). Without their most visible player they may not get a new stadium. So from that, you might can make the argument they move to LA. The stadium was probably built with visions of him playing in it even if at the twilight of his career. I think they're handling this with that in mind.
Yep lots riding on this, the law of unintended consequences and all that applies.

 
I am honestly shocked that they reinstated him so soon.

My original prediction was that the Vikings would shut him down for the better part of a month to allow this whole thing to simmer down with the official stance of "AP needs the time to recuperate the relationship with his family". I'm not surprised that there is criticism for letting him play so quickly.

IMO the NFL isn't going to touch this one this season, and definitely not until the legal process has played out. The issue of physical discipline for children just treads into too many realms of cultural, religious, racial differences that the NFL currently has no business right now to say what is "right". Should Peterson be found guilty in the offseason or plead to a lesser charge then the NFL can at least levy a suspension with some legal justification.

My guess is if Peterson is acquitted (very possible consider the leaked police report stuff damages the prosecution's case), then no suspension. If he is found guilty then minimum six game ban, and if he pleads to a lesser charge then 2-4 games. All of which will be served next season.

 
got to laugh at all the peeps who said the sky was falling on friday night/sat afternoon saying he wouldn't play again this year LOL :lol: :crazy:

 
he isn't missing any more on susp this year.
got to laugh at all the peeps who said the sky was falling on friday night/sat afternoon saying he wouldn't play again this year LOL :lol: :crazy:
Radisson suspends sponsorship of Vikings in light of Peterson situation

Nike pulls Adrian Peterson merchandise from Twin Cities stores

Anheuser-Busch: Deep concern of NFL handling of abuse cases

Minnesota governor calls on Vikings to suspend Peterson

Not sure where you got the impression that this is even close to being over yet.

 
Yea, big sponsors threatening to pull advertising (or in the case of Radisson actually suspending sponsorship) doesn't bode well for Peterson. Not to mention that it is bringing to light Peterson's sexual exploits. How many fricken children has this dude fathered to various women?

No a wholesome, family oriented message, or good for the NFL's image.

 
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Radisson and Nike would worry me as a Peterson owner and anyone looking to trade for him.

Any new updates from Minny or anywhere else?

 
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Not sure how it can be anything but 'indefinately'.

Pretty sure that if you took a poll it would be 100% that this is worse than Ray Rice's one punch KO of his now wife.
I am trying to figure out what it will be like if Peterson gets booed in his own stadium.

What if the Vikes get booed?

 
Radisson and Nike would worry me as a Peterson owner and anyone looking to trade for him.

Any new updates from Minny or anywhere else?
Radisson can do what they want because they are a privately-owned franchise with no shareholders to answer to.

I believe the Nike thing is a one store publicity stunt considering your can still go here.

The Anheuser-Busch message seems like a bit of a "I'm watching you.." warning to the NFL and is not made strictly in response to the Peterson situation, but likely the sum of all recent events including Rice, McDonald, and Hardy.

Dunno about all the governor/mayor stuff... The lieutant gov in california and SF mayor have called for the benching of mcdonald, but the team will likely not budge. Here is Harbaugh's statement on the issue:

"“There’s been a lot of public speculation and people weighing in with their opinion, whether it’s a public figure or people through social media,” Harbaugh said in his weekly news conference. “Our response would be, we have two principles at play here and one is respect for due process and we’re not going to flinch based on public speculation.”

I can imagine the Vikings issuing a similar response if they stick to their decision from yesterday.

 
All the talk of "due process" is silly. Due process is a concept that is applied based on the actor and the potential consequences. The government is a big scary actor that can send men with guns to your house and take you away to put you in a cage. For that actor to do so, due process requires high standards of proof, the right to counsel, appeal rights, etc.

Your employer is an actor that can decide to stop paying you. For that actor to do so, due process probably requires no more than that they determine your culpability based on objective evidence and give you a chance to make your case. They have objective evidence (an admission, the photos, etc.). The Vikings GM/Owner should give AP a chance to explain himself to them. They don't owe him anything else, and if they decide to sit/cut him after that, they've afforded him plenty of due process.

If teams or the NFL want to defer to the courts before making a decision, that's completely within their rights. But it's silly for them to say they'll "wait for due process."

 
Yeah, I think tomorrow will be critical.

Chinawildman, I understand your point that you think the Vikings made a mistake by reinstating him so quickly but in terms of him actually getting him back on the field, I think that was the only chance they had.

Had he not been reinstated before the reports of the 2013 incident I don't think there's any way they could have activated him this week. But by doing it on Monday before those reports and before all of the pressure applied by sponsors and politicians they can try to weather the storm.

I have no idea if they will "refuse to flinch" like Harbaugh and SF but I think there's a chance for him to play this week that would not have existed if they didnt make their statement on Monday and get ahead of the 2nd storm.

 
Yea, big sponsors threatening to pull advertising (or in the case of Radisson actually suspending sponsorship) doesn't bode well for Peterson. Not to mention that it is bringing to light Peterson's sexual exploits. How many fricken children has this dude fathered to various women?

No a wholesome, family oriented message, or good for the NFL's image.
It's not wholesome or family oriented but it is representative of the original Vikings.

 
Yeah, I think tomorrow will be critical.

Chinawildman, I understand your point that you think the Vikings made a mistake by reinstating him so quickly but in terms of him actually getting him back on the field, I think that was the only chance they had.

Had he not been reinstated before the reports of the 2013 incident I don't think there's any way they could have activated him this week. But by doing it on Monday before those reports and before all of the pressure applied by sponsors and politicians they can try to weather the storm.

I have no idea if they will "refuse to flinch" like Harbaugh and SF but I think there's a chance for him to play this week that would not have existed if they didnt make their statement on Monday and get ahead of the 2nd storm.
Yea I see what you're saying.

However I think the majority of the firestorm is that right now it appears Peterson has received no formal reprimands of any kind. The mob want their blood and they want it now!

Had the Vikings put him on "indefinite leave" or suspension for "conduct detrimental to the team" and let the whole thing die down in a few weeks they would've not only likely avoided the media blitz (because likely they will have found something else to latch onto by then), but also effectively doled out some measure of reprimand.

Sponsors can argue that they feel like Peterson should be punished, but it's much less likely that they will raise a stink about just HOW MUCH he should be punished.

 
Sponsors can argue that they feel like Peterson should be punished, but it's much less likely that they will raise a stink about just HOW MUCH he should be punished.
He was punished and missed a game.

Yea, big sponsors threatening to pull advertising (or in the case of Radisson actually suspending sponsorship) doesn't bode well for Peterson. Not to mention that it is bringing to light Peterson's sexual exploits. How many fricken children has this dude fathered to various women?

No a wholesome, family oriented message, or good for the NFL's image.
It's not wholesome or family oriented but it is representative of the original Vikings.
:lmao:

 
Yea, big sponsors threatening to pull advertising (or in the case of Radisson actually suspending sponsorship) doesn't bode well for Peterson. Not to mention that it is bringing to light Peterson's sexual exploits. How many fricken children has this dude fathered to various women?

No a wholesome, family oriented message, or good for the NFL's image.
"Threatening" = :yawn:

If Budweiser really cared they would have issued a statement that they will not advertise while Peterson is on the field. They're a business that thinks they can get positive PR by issuing a tough sounding statement.

 
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JUST IN: the #Vikings have placed Adrian Peterson on the Exempt/Commissioner’s Permission list. He must stay away from all team activities.

 
All the talk of "due process" is silly. Due process is a concept that is applied based on the actor and the potential consequences. The government is a big scary actor that can send men with guns to your house and take you away to put you in a cage. For that actor to do so, due process requires high standards of proof, the right to counsel, appeal rights, etc.

Your employer is an actor that can decide to stop paying you. For that actor to do so, due process probably requires no more than that they determine your culpability based on objective evidence and give you a chance to make your case. They have objective evidence (an admission, the photos, etc.). The Vikings GM/Owner should give AP a chance to explain himself to them. They don't owe him anything else, and if they decide to sit/cut him after that, they've afforded him plenty of due process.

If teams or the NFL want to defer to the courts before making a decision, that's completely within their rights. But it's silly for them to say they'll "wait for due process."
It's a slippery slope when you start ignoring Constitutional rights, regardless of the arena.

 
All the talk of "due process" is silly. Due process is a concept that is applied based on the actor and the potential consequences. The government is a big scary actor that can send men with guns to your house and take you away to put you in a cage. For that actor to do so, due process requires high standards of proof, the right to counsel, appeal rights, etc.

Your employer is an actor that can decide to stop paying you. For that actor to do so, due process probably requires no more than that they determine your culpability based on objective evidence and give you a chance to make your case. They have objective evidence (an admission, the photos, etc.). The Vikings GM/Owner should give AP a chance to explain himself to them. They don't owe him anything else, and if they decide to sit/cut him after that, they've afforded him plenty of due process.

If teams or the NFL want to defer to the courts before making a decision, that's completely within their rights. But it's silly for them to say they'll "wait for due process."
It's a slippery slope when you start ignoring Constitutional rights, regardless of the arena.
Please explain how his constitutional rights were violated.

 
He'll just get some counseling, do some community service, and donate couple bucks to abused kids foundation. He'll be back in a month...
Well since the Vikings statement said he would remain away from the team until his legal proceedings are resolved and his case is not going to be heard until 2015 I'd say he's done for the year.

 
All the talk of "due process" is silly. Due process is a concept that is applied based on the actor and the potential consequences. The government is a big scary actor that can send men with guns to your house and take you away to put you in a cage. For that actor to do so, due process requires high standards of proof, the right to counsel, appeal rights, etc.

Your employer is an actor that can decide to stop paying you. For that actor to do so, due process probably requires no more than that they determine your culpability based on objective evidence and give you a chance to make your case. They have objective evidence (an admission, the photos, etc.). The Vikings GM/Owner should give AP a chance to explain himself to them. They don't owe him anything else, and if they decide to sit/cut him after that, they've afforded him plenty of due process.

If teams or the NFL want to defer to the courts before making a decision, that's completely within their rights. But it's silly for them to say they'll "wait for due process."
It's a slippery slope when you start ignoring Constitutional rights, regardless of the arena.
Please explain how his constitutional rights were violated.
5th Amendment

Specifically in bold, not withstanding he was indicted but the latter half of this bit covers my opinion:

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Further:

DUE PROCESS CLAUSEThe guarantee of due process for all citizens requires the government to respect all rights, guarantees, and protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution and all applicable statutes before the government can deprive a person of life, liberty, or property. Due process essentially guarantees that a party will receive a fundamentally fair, orderly, and just judicial proceeding. While the Fifth Amendment only applies to the federal government, the identical text in the Fourteenth Amendment explicitly applies this due process requirement to the states as well.

Courts have come to recognize that two aspects of due process exist: procedural due process and substantive due process. Procedural due process aims to ensure fundamental fairness by guaranteeing a party the right to be heard, ensuring that the parties receive proper notification throughout the litigation, and ensures that the adjudicating court has the appropriate jurisdiction to render a judgment. Meanwhile, substantive due process has developed during the 20th century as protecting those right so fundamental as to be "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty."

_____________________

There is more in the 14th Amendment and good luck in preserving the 6th Amendment in this case.

 
All the talk of "due process" is silly. Due process is a concept that is applied based on the actor and the potential consequences. The government is a big scary actor that can send men with guns to your house and take you away to put you in a cage. For that actor to do so, due process requires high standards of proof, the right to counsel, appeal rights, etc.

Your employer is an actor that can decide to stop paying you. For that actor to do so, due process probably requires no more than that they determine your culpability based on objective evidence and give you a chance to make your case. They have objective evidence (an admission, the photos, etc.). The Vikings GM/Owner should give AP a chance to explain himself to them. They don't owe him anything else, and if they decide to sit/cut him after that, they've afforded him plenty of due process.

If teams or the NFL want to defer to the courts before making a decision, that's completely within their rights. But it's silly for them to say they'll "wait for due process."
It's a slippery slope when you start ignoring Constitutional rights, regardless of the arena.
Please explain how his constitutional rights were violated.
5th Amendment

Specifically in bold, not withstanding he was indicted but the latter half of this bit covers my opinion:

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Further:

DUE PROCESS CLAUSEThe guarantee of due process for all citizens requires the government to respect all rights, guarantees, and protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution and all applicable statutes before the government can deprive a person of life, liberty, or property. Due process essentially guarantees that a party will receive a fundamentally fair, orderly, and just judicial proceeding. While the Fifth Amendment only applies to the federal government, the identical text in the Fourteenth Amendment explicitly applies this due process requirement to the states as well.

Courts have come to recognize that two aspects of due process exist: procedural due process and substantive due process. Procedural due process aims to ensure fundamental fairness by guaranteeing a party the right to be heard, ensuring that the parties receive proper notification throughout the litigation, and ensures that the adjudicating court has the appropriate jurisdiction to render a judgment. Meanwhile, substantive due process has developed during the 20th century as protecting those right so fundamental as to be "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty."

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There is more in the 14th Amendment and good luck in preserving the 6th Amendment in this case.
You have no clue what are you talking about so its hardly worth a response, and this is the last I will dirty up the SP with this absurdity. Please see bolded text and reread (if you read it to begin with) and ask yourself how ADP's due process was violated by the federal or state government.

 
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Vikings suspend Adrian Peterson indefinitely

Source: Sean Jensen, Twitter

The Vikings have placed Adrian Peterson on the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List, "which will require that Adrian remain away from all team activities while allowing him to take care of his personal situation until the legal proceedings are resolved."

Fantasy Impact:

The team was under pressure from political and business leaders to suspend Peterson after its decision to activate him for Week 3. It looks like he will be away from the team until his legal issues are resolved, and that may take a while. The bottom line is that we don't expect him to play again this season. Matt Asiata is the clear RB1, though the team may try to get Jerick McKinnon more involved as the season progresses. Asiata out-touched McKinnon 18 to 4 in Week 2. We were expecting more rushes from Cordarrelle Patterson in Week 2, but that didn't transpire. Asiata is the player to target on waivers if he is still available. In deeper leagues, McKinnon is worth a stash as he is the more explosive player.

 
He'll just get some counseling, do some community service, and donate couple bucks to abused kids foundation. He'll be back in a month...
Well since the Vikings statement said he would remain away from the team until his legal proceedings are resolved and his case is not going to be heard until 2015 I'd say he's done for the year.
So back to the original question - HOW LONG?

AP has a hotshot mega $$$ lawyer - can they get this thing resolved quickly, say by mid-October? I guess it's a longshot, but even if it were the well seems poisoned in Minny.

And who would he go play for if not MIN? It's sort of like the Michael Vick situation in that regard, it will take may be until 2015 until he can step on a field without fans booing and sponsors boycotting. People will expect that he stay away for a while and do some sort of public penance.

 

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