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Predictions on Peterson's Suspension this yr (1 Viewer)
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
He's not just any 30 year old RB. He's one of the best RBs in the league and is still playing at a high level. I have a hard time believing that nobody would be willing to give him a shot.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He's one of the greatest RBs of all time.
He could also get a plea deal or even get the case dismissed (yes, as horrible as it is, it's possible).
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chinawildman
Footballguy
I believe the VIkings have already stated that they are willing to take him back. His first hearing isn't until Oct. 8. So I would say that is the earliest that a plea can be heard.
chinawildman
Footballguy
This is more or less what I believed would happen. I suppose Hardin will now push for an expedient resolution for the case so it will likely never see a courtroom.
biju
Footballguy
Personally I really like the stance of "you'll be suspended until you get this resolved" so the players and teams can't force the legal issue to the offseason. It makes everyone hustle to get it done instead of the opposite. I suspect there will be quite a divide on this point in the SP.
pantherclub
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
Sigh. Do I really have to announce I'm talking about domestic violence and child abuse and not every ####### possible law violation?
pantherclub
Footballguy
probably since thats not what your post said
oh and Julian got arrested for assualt and battery against a female, how is that different in your eyes than DV?
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root of all aliai
So basically you can implicate a player on an opposing team of a crime (or just bad behavior) and they're gone until our slow-as-molasses legal system finds them not guilty.
Yeah, great for the league and FF.
biju
Footballguy
No it doesn't, and we're in a thread discussing an alleged child abuse case.
But moving past that, do you agree or disagree this is a good stance to have on DV and other abusive law violations? Or does it still seem "insane" or "no where close to fair"?
pantherclub
Footballguy
I disagree, its insane. Nobody is going to think its a good idea. Due process is a great thing to have.
biju
Footballguy
Yes, I think this is the best possible solution for any company that wishes to continue to do proper business. If *I* were publicly implicated in a moral issue and my company was directly linked to me I don't think I would have it any differently.
I think some of you are really thinking there is some sort of loyalty the teams should have or that the law should precede basic "at will" employment rights. At the end of the day, this is a business and they will do anything to improve their ability to generate income.
biju
Footballguy
Fair enough and I can respect your opinion on it. I disagree, but I'm not sure there is a wrong answer here.
I just see the other end: is it fair that the employer *must* keep an employee until law is settled? What happens if all of their sponsors drop? I know it's easy to turn a blind eye to the rights of the company because they make a lot of money, but it's equally bizarre (or we'll say "insane") to think the employer doesn't have the right to suspend or terminate employment when faced with business decisions.
pantherclub
Footballguy
/\ they do have the right
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I don't like that as a blanket policy because anyone can simply be accused of a crime. For example, a woman could blackmail an athlete for money by threatening to claim he beat her. If she presses charges, suddenly he's suspended until he's able to clear his name, which could take weeks, or months.
I think action was appropriate in cases like Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson because there's evidence of their actions readily available. Even if they're found innocent of wrongdoing in a court of law, the league can decide that what they did is not consistent with the image of the NFL. But if there were no video/photos, and the players denied doing anything wrong, I think the league should wait to act until there's some clarity provided by the legal system.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yeah, if you're the Jets and are playing the Patriots this week, just have David Harris go out and do a citizen's arrest of Tom Brady and accuse him of pedophilia.
No, other NFL team's can't implicate opposing players.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yeah, the league should be allowed some subjectivity and to use its judgement. Unfortunately, the person who would be exercising that judgement no longer has anyone's trust.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm not big on the guilty until proven otherwise policy either. I think they would be better off enacting this policy beginning on the day of the first court hearing. That way the player can play up until their first hearing date, and then they will be encouraged to complete the legal process if they want to continue playing and not drag it out as is often the case.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What's the attitude amongst fans in Min-StP? Outcry?
Not sure what will happen to change public attitudes unless the charges are outright dismissed or unless more time is allowed to pass.
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
Pleads to a lesser charge, misses 8 games, comes back week 11.
chinawildman
Footballguy
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
The Vikings are paying him not to play. There's no doubt in my mind that they think he can return later this season.
Now it's all a matter of how quickly his lawyer can get a plea deal done.
Now it's all a matter of how quickly his lawyer can get a plea deal done.
I'm treating it as missing 6-games total then coming back. He's a trade target for me if people are going to dump him.
I think he pleas out in the next month and the league hits him with 6 games for first time domestic, and includes the ones he's missed. So he'll be back by week 8.
I think he pleas out in the next month and the league hits him with 6 games for first time domestic, and includes the ones he's missed. So he'll be back by week 8.
17seconds
root of all aliai
I'm starting Martin/Rainey and Fred Jackson in a 10 team league.
My WRs are Marshall, VJax, Sanders, Michael Floyd, Patterson. Those last 3 guys are all at the same level and I can only start 1 of them every week. 2WR+Flex
There are several options on the WW to backfill the spot - Hawkins, Sanu, T Williams, M Evans, Davante Adams... There will always be fliers to fill that bench WR spot in a 10 team league.
I think it makes sense to get Knile's production at the cost of the extra WR depth.
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chinawildman
Footballguy
Would be kinda cool if a civil case eventually went to court and set labor and employment law precedent everywhere.... Peterson v. National Football League
Van Dyman
Footballguy
That crossed my mind, too. The value is surely low. Who would you trade today for AP, given what we know right now?
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
You think they're going retroactively include weeks where he was paid in his suspension? I find that unlikely. Any evidence or precedent about that? He hasn't missed a game check you know.
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Coach3K
Footballguy
I'm sure he could pay it back/surrender an amount to cover the games he missed but was paid IF that ended up as a sticking point to him getting back to his job.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Opposing teams, players, and fans can leak information about players and would do so.Yeah, if you're the Jets and are playing the Patriots this week, just have David Harris go out and do a citizen's arrest of Tom Brady and accuse him of pedophilia.
No, other NFL team's can't implicate opposing players.
It can't be treated like a normal company because of the competitive aspect.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
That sounds reasonable, as a fine + games suspension. Not sure it's an option, though.
Precendent anyone?
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Is Peterson done as a Viking?
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biju
Footballguy
I think if Jerry Jones offers up a nice enough set of picks the Vikings must accept it. And Jerry will think he received a discount...
chinawildman
Footballguy
In retrospect, those weird conversations with Jones and Peterson that seemingly came outta the blue are starting to make sense... JJ does have a lot of pull in Tejas.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
They do, this might have been in the background all the time.
Was JJ Tampering then?
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
GolferMike
Footballguy
Where do you guys see AP's value in dynasty leagues?
Was offered Josh Gordon for him.....about to say yes.
Was offered Josh Gordon for him.....about to say yes.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
chinawildman
Footballguy
Taking a bird's eye view of the situation that happened over the last week. Here's my assessment of the situation as it stands right now given what we've got:
1) The Vikings want AP to play again this season. This much is obvious when they reinstated him on Monday
2) AP I'm guessing wants to play this season again
3) The NFLPA will likely fight on behalf of AP
4) The NFL, IMO, will just follow the path of least resistance. If somehow they can avoid a clash with the NFLPA, AP's attorneys, while not pissing off the public, I think they will allow AP to play again this yr.
So given that all interested parties likely want AP on the field, my guess is this hiatus is their collaborative solution to let things simmer down. I think everyone was shocked that AP seemingly got off scott free when he was activated on Monday.
I think the phrase "until this legal matter is resolved" is neither literal or written in stone (considering the Vikings' complete 180 in the span of one day). In a month the vikings could easily say something like "We've progressed far along enough in legal proceedings that we're confident AP will be absolved of all charges. We're activating him..." This IS Texas after all, you never know.
The next checkpoint for AP's case will be in 3-4 weeks when his court hearing is set. I believe the DA has already said he will sit down to talk plea with Hardin as soon as Hardin returns to the US. I think there is also some immunity deadline for NFLPA intervention with the exemption list that expires in 4 weeks (read that somewhere). Note also that the official statement from the NFLPA differs from that of the Vikings. Their position is that AP is taking a voluntary leave of absence.
If I had to place odds... 50% chance AP sits RoS, 15% chance he is back week 6 (after court hearing), 25% chance he returns week 8 (6 games missed) 10% chance he returns after their bye week (week 11)
ETA: The reason I think AP will push to get back on the field is simple. He will be 30 next year and will count significantly towards the Vikings cap. If he is released, he needs this year to show prospective teams that he's still got it. Him sitting out the year significantly impacts his market value especially considering his legal status is in limbo and could potentially serve a suspension next year.
1) The Vikings want AP to play again this season. This much is obvious when they reinstated him on Monday
2) AP I'm guessing wants to play this season again
3) The NFLPA will likely fight on behalf of AP
4) The NFL, IMO, will just follow the path of least resistance. If somehow they can avoid a clash with the NFLPA, AP's attorneys, while not pissing off the public, I think they will allow AP to play again this yr.
So given that all interested parties likely want AP on the field, my guess is this hiatus is their collaborative solution to let things simmer down. I think everyone was shocked that AP seemingly got off scott free when he was activated on Monday.
I think the phrase "until this legal matter is resolved" is neither literal or written in stone (considering the Vikings' complete 180 in the span of one day). In a month the vikings could easily say something like "We've progressed far along enough in legal proceedings that we're confident AP will be absolved of all charges. We're activating him..." This IS Texas after all, you never know.
The next checkpoint for AP's case will be in 3-4 weeks when his court hearing is set. I believe the DA has already said he will sit down to talk plea with Hardin as soon as Hardin returns to the US. I think there is also some immunity deadline for NFLPA intervention with the exemption list that expires in 4 weeks (read that somewhere). Note also that the official statement from the NFLPA differs from that of the Vikings. Their position is that AP is taking a voluntary leave of absence.
If I had to place odds... 50% chance AP sits RoS, 15% chance he is back week 6 (after court hearing), 25% chance he returns week 8 (6 games missed) 10% chance he returns after their bye week (week 11)
ETA: The reason I think AP will push to get back on the field is simple. He will be 30 next year and will count significantly towards the Vikings cap. If he is released, he needs this year to show prospective teams that he's still got it. Him sitting out the year significantly impacts his market value especially considering his legal status is in limbo and could potentially serve a suspension next year.
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whitem0nkey
Footballguy
for what its worth
[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]Paul [/SIZE]Charchian was on 670 the score in Chicago
He said do not drop Peterson, he believes he could play a month from now or so. He said Min will not cut him. he said the vikings made a mistake of under punishing him at first so now they have to over punish him to cool down the out cry.
[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]Paul [/SIZE]Charchian was on 670 the score in Chicago
He said do not drop Peterson, he believes he could play a month from now or so. He said Min will not cut him. he said the vikings made a mistake of under punishing him at first so now they have to over punish him to cool down the out cry.
steveski
Footballguy
No chance Peterson is back in a month. Even if the Vikings are cool with it (they're not) and reinstate him, Goodell would step in. The absolute minimum Goodell would do is give him the 6 game first time domestic abuse offender penalty. If he doesn't give him at least that, the public uproar would be so outrageous that Goodell would lose his job. Goodell isn't an idiot, he knows he's on thin ice. He's not going to make a ruling based on what he thinks is right and fair, he's going to make a ruling based on what will keep his job and what will keep the media the quietest.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Agreed. If I had to guess I'd say Peterson's getting six games minimum, and the games he's currently "deactivated" with pay will not count towards that suspension.
1% chance he's back by week 8.
3% chance he's back by week 12.
96% chance he's done for the year.
Any tea leaves reading regarding AP that anyone picked up from Rogers presser today so far today?
On the negative side I noticed he emphasized the term child abuse when discussing domestic issue. So for those of us wondering if AP child abuse charge would fall under the automatic 6 game minimum domestic dispute policy I came away thinking that is very likely the case. So should AP actually decide to reach a plea deal I'd be very shocked if he did not get full 6 game suspension. Of course he could also end up like Ray Rice and get cut and make the suspension secondary to getting signed by someone but that's another issue.
On the positive note when asked specifically about conflicting emotions of the mother who was wearing an AP jersey he threw around the due process term and importance of it more than at anytime I can recall in his press conference. Said what we saw was tragic but followed that up with saying we need to let the facts come out.
My admittedly flimsy based conclusion: he's out 6 games minimum if he reaches a plea deal and with no credit for missed games. On the other hand if the enters a not guilty plea on or before October 8th I don't think the NFL would give him any kind of suspension until the case is resolved. At that point the ball is entirely back in the Vikings court and I'm not so sure they would not contend "allowing the legal process to be resolved" was giving AP the chance to enter a not guilty plea. Probably just boils down to what we saw play out a few days ago, they'll reinstate him if they feel like the heat died down enough but I can't see that happening unless AP holds one hell of a press conference to explain himself or he's able to produce some positive facts and since he's admitted to doing it that seems difficult.
On the negative side I noticed he emphasized the term child abuse when discussing domestic issue. So for those of us wondering if AP child abuse charge would fall under the automatic 6 game minimum domestic dispute policy I came away thinking that is very likely the case. So should AP actually decide to reach a plea deal I'd be very shocked if he did not get full 6 game suspension. Of course he could also end up like Ray Rice and get cut and make the suspension secondary to getting signed by someone but that's another issue.
On the positive note when asked specifically about conflicting emotions of the mother who was wearing an AP jersey he threw around the due process term and importance of it more than at anytime I can recall in his press conference. Said what we saw was tragic but followed that up with saying we need to let the facts come out.
My admittedly flimsy based conclusion: he's out 6 games minimum if he reaches a plea deal and with no credit for missed games. On the other hand if the enters a not guilty plea on or before October 8th I don't think the NFL would give him any kind of suspension until the case is resolved. At that point the ball is entirely back in the Vikings court and I'm not so sure they would not contend "allowing the legal process to be resolved" was giving AP the chance to enter a not guilty plea. Probably just boils down to what we saw play out a few days ago, they'll reinstate him if they feel like the heat died down enough but I can't see that happening unless AP holds one hell of a press conference to explain himself or he's able to produce some positive facts and since he's admitted to doing it that seems difficult.
