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Pro Bowl SNUBS (1 Viewer)
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ffchamp1
Footballguy
Outside of Vick it is hard to find a NFC QB with better stats than Aaron Rogers
spider321
Footballguy
duaneok66
Footballguy
Cassel was HORRIBLE the first few weeks of the season - no way does he get it over Rivers . . .
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Brent Grimes over DeAngelo Hall
gandalas
Footballguy
Hillis over MJD maybe?
There are just so many good backs in the AFC that got left out:
Chris Johnson
Darren McFadden
Peyton Hillis
ETA: With the Cowboys disaster of a season, no way they deserve to have the 3rd most players going...I don't know who I would cut, but I think 2 or 3 reps would have been more appropriate.
Dallas (5) * Andre Gurode, center
Mat McBriar, punter
* Jay Ratliff, interior lineman
* DeMarcus Ware, outside linebacker
* Jason Witten, tight end
There are just so many good backs in the AFC that got left out:
Chris Johnson
Darren McFadden
Peyton Hillis
ETA: With the Cowboys disaster of a season, no way they deserve to have the 3rd most players going...I don't know who I would cut, but I think 2 or 3 reps would have been more appropriate.
Dallas (5) * Andre Gurode, center
Mat McBriar, punter
* Jay Ratliff, interior lineman
* DeMarcus Ware, outside linebacker
* Jason Witten, tight end
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Or Tramon Williams.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
LT Donald Penn deserves the nod over any of the Pro Bowl NFC tackles IMHO
I would've put in Rodgers over Ryan, McCoy over S. Jackson, definitely Vernon Davis over Tony Gonzalez, and Barry Cofield and Sedrick Ellis over Smith and Ratliff.
I would've put in Rodgers over Ryan, McCoy over S. Jackson, definitely Vernon Davis over Tony Gonzalez, and Barry Cofield and Sedrick Ellis over Smith and Ratliff.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
An absolute atrocity! How in the name of Jesus, Jehovah and Jehosephat can Pro Bowl voters look themselves in the mirror and not be ashamed and nauseated by the lack of Seahawks in the Pro Bowl?!?!?! How can they look at themselves?!?!
Huh? Say what?
Oh, I'm sorry, I was just informed that they actually watched the games. That explains a lot. My bad. Sorry for the rant.
I was hoping that Earl Thomas would make it as a safety but when your O leaves you out on the field that long every game there's no way to play your best games in the 3rd and 4th quarters. His pro bowl seasons are ahead of him though. Lots of them. Suck it Taylor Mays.
Huh? Say what?
Oh, I'm sorry, I was just informed that they actually watched the games. That explains a lot. My bad. Sorry for the rant.
I was hoping that Earl Thomas would make it as a safety but when your O leaves you out on the field that long every game there's no way to play your best games in the 3rd and 4th quarters. His pro bowl seasons are ahead of him though. Lots of them. Suck it Taylor Mays.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Kinda pull for the Seahawks. Just remember, all you really want out of this year is to finish above .500
-QG
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
logan mankins/brandon merriweather vs anybody
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
Champ Bailey?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Hillis was a huge snub. That said, I think he's the type of player who'll need to do it again before he gets his props.
Regardless, Peyton Hillis is one of the few true feature backs in the NFL. He excels at every facet of the game. In fact, I can't think of another RB who can do what he does. He could very well be the best all-around RB in the NFL.
And Hillis produced without much help, although, that will likely change in the future. I believe Colt McCoy is going to be an outstanding QB (he reminds me of Joe Montana), & with their good OL, the Browns will be well on their way to having a dynamite offense when they get more help at WR. They have the potential to be one of the surprise teams of 2011, IMO.
Regardless, Peyton Hillis is one of the few true feature backs in the NFL. He excels at every facet of the game. In fact, I can't think of another RB who can do what he does. He could very well be the best all-around RB in the NFL.
And Hillis produced without much help, although, that will likely change in the future. I believe Colt McCoy is going to be an outstanding QB (he reminds me of Joe Montana), & with their good OL, the Browns will be well on their way to having a dynamite offense when they get more help at WR. They have the potential to be one of the surprise teams of 2011, IMO.
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Green and Gold
Footballguy
Two awful selections. How does a guard that plays less than half the games because of a hold out get to the pro bowl?Meriweather has had flashes, but he's not deserving either.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I think Lawrence Timmons had a pro bowl year but tailed off the last month or so. If Ray-Ray and Mayo are the only ILBs going, hard to say he should go over them.
6.4 YPA is a disgrace
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
DMAC had a Pro Bowl season, but 7 of the NFL’s top rushers were from the AFC, including the league’s top 4 rushers.
The two missed games kept his rushing TOTALS below the others, but his total scrimmage yards (4th), scrimmage yards per game (2nd), and average rushing yards per game (4th) scream Pro Bowl. His 5.2 ypc were 3rd best among backs with a minimum of 100 carries and a minimum of 10.0 rushes per game. First in carries of 20-plus-yards, 1st in carries of 30-plus yards, 2nd in carries of 40-plus-yards, and his 6 100-yard rushing games were 5th best in the league.
He was the league’s only RB with a 4 TD game (Week 7 at Denver), he was AFC Offenisve PLayer of the Week (Week 7), and his outburst in Jacksonville made him one of only 3 players since 1950 with 2 rushing TDs of at least 35 yards each PLUS 1 receiving TD of at least 60 yards in a single game.
It also hurt DMAC that his TD numbers were not on par with guys like CJ, Hillis and Foster, and his TD numbers would have been better than all of the NFL’s rushers, save maybe for Foster, if not for the Bush-inside-the-10-love-affair.
Hard to argue with the selections of Foster, MJD, and Charles, though. Honestly, I think DMAC was a better, more productive back than anyone in the NFL except for Foster.
Example: Going into the Tuesday night matchup between Minnesota and Philadelphia, DMAC and Adrian Peterson had both played in 13 games on the season. DMAC led in every statistical category except for TDs (12 to 10) and 1st downs. Total rushing yards, rushing yards per game, receiving yards, total scrimmage yards, scrimmage yards per game, yards per carry, 20-, 30-, and 40-plus-yard runs — all of these categories saw DMAC over the NFL’s top fan-vote-getting RB.
Oh well, I hope DMAC makes a statement about his snub in KC on Sunday!
The two missed games kept his rushing TOTALS below the others, but his total scrimmage yards (4th), scrimmage yards per game (2nd), and average rushing yards per game (4th) scream Pro Bowl. His 5.2 ypc were 3rd best among backs with a minimum of 100 carries and a minimum of 10.0 rushes per game. First in carries of 20-plus-yards, 1st in carries of 30-plus yards, 2nd in carries of 40-plus-yards, and his 6 100-yard rushing games were 5th best in the league.
He was the league’s only RB with a 4 TD game (Week 7 at Denver), he was AFC Offenisve PLayer of the Week (Week 7), and his outburst in Jacksonville made him one of only 3 players since 1950 with 2 rushing TDs of at least 35 yards each PLUS 1 receiving TD of at least 60 yards in a single game.
It also hurt DMAC that his TD numbers were not on par with guys like CJ, Hillis and Foster, and his TD numbers would have been better than all of the NFL’s rushers, save maybe for Foster, if not for the Bush-inside-the-10-love-affair.
Hard to argue with the selections of Foster, MJD, and Charles, though. Honestly, I think DMAC was a better, more productive back than anyone in the NFL except for Foster.
Example: Going into the Tuesday night matchup between Minnesota and Philadelphia, DMAC and Adrian Peterson had both played in 13 games on the season. DMAC led in every statistical category except for TDs (12 to 10) and 1st downs. Total rushing yards, rushing yards per game, receiving yards, total scrimmage yards, scrimmage yards per game, yards per carry, 20-, 30-, and 40-plus-yard runs — all of these categories saw DMAC over the NFL’s top fan-vote-getting RB.
Oh well, I hope DMAC makes a statement about his snub in KC on Sunday!
Aaron Rodgers had 200,000 more fan votes than Ryan. It was the players and coaches who voted for Ryan. The Falcons offense is better than that of the Packers and much better than the Saints as well - of course no one has a problem with Drew Brees going with his 21 INTs. That's more than Rodgers and Ryan combined.If passer rating took sacks into account Rodgers numbers wouldn't look so inflated every year.
6.4 YPA is pitiful, and so is 21 picks. Rodgers is far more deserving than both Ryan and Brees.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I was listening to Ross Tucker a few weeks ago on NFL Network and he talked about the way the players pick the Pro Bowl and it was, to say the least, disappointing. He said that they go completely on reputation (or he actually said that a lot of them do, I'm sure some are more diligent) and that most teams just ask their own position guys who they should pick opposite them (e.g., the OL tell them who to vote for DL, etc...). In other words, there's even less process and analysis from the players than there are from fan voters.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
It sounds as bad as the college football coaches poll.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
He gets negative points for his TD celebration.
Big_Russel
Footballguy
How on Earth did Logan Mankins make it when he played less than HALF of his teams games?? WTF is that?
He is either the greatest OG in the history of organized football, or there is something toatally ####ed about the voting process.
He is either the greatest OG in the history of organized football, or there is something toatally ####ed about the voting process.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
From a fantasy standpoint, there is no debate the Michael Vick was this year's MVP. And I know that Pro Bowl voting's peak voting period happened during Vick's jaw dropping historic run. But I could see a case where you could question him even making this year's Pro Bowl team.
That may have been the worst QB’d game I ever seen in my life last night from Mike Vick. He could have had 5 or 6 turnovers, and was lucky to have only three.
In Vick’s last 5 games he has 10 TD’s to 7 picks, 3 rushing TD’s to 11 fumbles with 4 lost.
13 TD’s to 11 turnovers and people want him to have MVP talk? And voted to the Pro Bowl.
He is falling apart at the end of the season.
That may have been the worst QB’d game I ever seen in my life last night from Mike Vick. He could have had 5 or 6 turnovers, and was lucky to have only three.
In Vick’s last 5 games he has 10 TD’s to 7 picks, 3 rushing TD’s to 11 fumbles with 4 lost.
13 TD’s to 11 turnovers and people want him to have MVP talk? And voted to the Pro Bowl.
He is falling apart at the end of the season.
Rodgers was sacked 29 times, Ryan 22. I do not know how 7 sacks would make up the 12 point difference in passer rating. Just looking at the stats I was stunned to see that Ryan need nearly 100 additional pass attempts to achieve less statistically than Rodgers did. Especially given the vast superiority of the running game that Ryan has supporting him and Rodgers superior running skills. I do not believe that many fans out side of the Atlanta area believe that Ryan deserves the nod over Rodgers but I could be mistaken perhaps a poll is in order.
Whizzinator
Footballguy
Ditto Ed Reed and Sean O'Hara. Mankins was dominant when he did play, but missing half the games just is hard to compute on this one.
duaneok66
Footballguy
footballoutsiders.com has Ryan rated higher . . .
Quez
Footballguy
Blount could have made it over S-Jax after looking at his stats.
Aquib Talib and Ronde could have made it at CB over Hall
Mike Williams over Greg Jennings
Donald Penn at OT
Freeman could have made it if NFC QB play wasn't at such a high level this year
Kelen Winslow made a late season push but I guess it wasn't enough to beat out fan favorite Tony G.
Small market teams always get snubbed in popularity contest.
Aquib Talib and Ronde could have made it at CB over Hall
Mike Williams over Greg Jennings
Donald Penn at OT
Freeman could have made it if NFC QB play wasn't at such a high level this year
Kelen Winslow made a late season push but I guess it wasn't enough to beat out fan favorite Tony G.
Small market teams always get snubbed in popularity contest.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Chad Greenway should have easily been selected over Lance Briggs.
Greenway had 136 tackles, 1 sack and 1 forced fumble.
Briggs had 80 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF, and 2 INT.
Greenway had 136 tackles, 1 sack and 1 forced fumble.
Briggs had 80 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF, and 2 INT.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
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To be fair, so did the Seahawks, Chiefs & Eagles.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Anyone over Deangelo Hall
eakfootball
Footballguy
Rodgers over Matt Ryan, Vernon Davis over Tony Gonzolez, tons of OTs over Jason Peters, Brandon Pettigrew over Witten
ThePittbully
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
IMHO, he made it primarily because of union solidarity; the union wanted to stick by him and send mgt a message. He is a very good player, but no way he should have made it after voluntarily sitting out half the season.As far as how Merriweather made it? I can only guess that he must have a lot of pictures of some important people because he sure as heck didn't earn it.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Mike Wallace over Brandon Lloyd or Dwayne Bowe
Comer
Footballguy
Lloyd maybe,but Wallace is not half the player that Bowe was this season.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Bowe came on in the second half, I'll give you that.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Was kind of surprised Ryan made it because his stats don't jump out but figured he did because his team had one of the best records in the league and he has been getting some hype for 6 4th quarter comebacks (think it was said to be 6 during Monday Night). However, I don't think Rodgers is really a snub.
Rodgers
Margin 0-7 252 att 164 comp 65.1% 1,976 yds 11 TD 10 INT 87.0 rat
Margin 15+ 161 att 114 comp 70.8% 1,547 yds 16 TD 0 INT 134.3 rat
Margin 8-14 34 att 15 comp 44.1% 170 yds 0 TD 0 INT 59.7 rat
So in games that are not really close, Rodgers has been fantastic and a amazing 16/0 TD/INT. Otherwise though, just 11/10 in the close games.
Ryan:
Margin 0-7 329 att 209 comp 63.5% 2,153 yds 14 TD 6 INT 88.9 rat
Margin 15+ 140 att 87 comp 62.1% 879 yds 9 TD 2 INT 95.5 rat
Margin 8-14 70 att 39 comp 55.7% 437 yds 3 TD 1 INT 82.9 rat
Ryan is 17/7 in those same close margined games and with higher ratings. So the question could be, Is Rodgers truly a better choice as a Pro Bowler if he inflates his stats in games that are not close at the time?
Of course it doesn't matter much, like everyone else, I'm hoping my QB isn't playing in the Pro Bowl anyway.
Rodgers
Margin 0-7 252 att 164 comp 65.1% 1,976 yds 11 TD 10 INT 87.0 rat
Margin 15+ 161 att 114 comp 70.8% 1,547 yds 16 TD 0 INT 134.3 rat
Margin 8-14 34 att 15 comp 44.1% 170 yds 0 TD 0 INT 59.7 rat
So in games that are not really close, Rodgers has been fantastic and a amazing 16/0 TD/INT. Otherwise though, just 11/10 in the close games.
Ryan:
Margin 0-7 329 att 209 comp 63.5% 2,153 yds 14 TD 6 INT 88.9 rat
Margin 15+ 140 att 87 comp 62.1% 879 yds 9 TD 2 INT 95.5 rat
Margin 8-14 70 att 39 comp 55.7% 437 yds 3 TD 1 INT 82.9 rat
Ryan is 17/7 in those same close margined games and with higher ratings. So the question could be, Is Rodgers truly a better choice as a Pro Bowler if he inflates his stats in games that are not close at the time?
Of course it doesn't matter much, like everyone else, I'm hoping my QB isn't playing in the Pro Bowl anyway.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I thought Chris Clemons might make it since the Giants were already represented at other positions. Not saying that's how they SHOULD do it, just saying I thought that it was possible.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't think Gonzalez deserved it this year, but he has the name, and he is on a 12-3 team, so him not making it is no surprise. I would have put Vernon Davis in over him.
As for Rodgers vs. Ryan, it is close. Rodgers has better numbers, but Ryan had several huge 4th quarter come back drives in big games (resulting in wins), so those probably stood out.
I also think Mike Wallace got robbed. He definitely should have made it over Wayne.
As for Rodgers vs. Ryan, it is close. Rodgers has better numbers, but Ryan had several huge 4th quarter come back drives in big games (resulting in wins), so those probably stood out.
I also think Mike Wallace got robbed. He definitely should have made it over Wayne.
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Name - Tackles - Sacks - FF - INTNgata - 62 - 5.5 - 0 -0Wilfork - 54 - 0 - 0 - 0Seymour - 48 - 5.5 - 0 - 0WILLIAMS - 75 - 5.5 - 0 - 0True lunch pail guy on a crappy defense/team - but he is a game changer.This is a reach, and yes I am a homer. but Whitner had more tackles than Merriwether and Polamalu COMBINED. Not sure if that is because he is a good tackler, or that the Bills have no LB's and the SS is making all of the stops.GoBigRed said:
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