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Pro-Bowlers being announced! (1 Viewer)
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Cause there only a limited amount of spots. I'm sure it was a toss up of which one of them went, but its hard to get both going.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
And seeing that Eli was the leading NFC QB in votes and that Bledose was up there as well, that it means that the vote did not have everything with Vick getting in.the fan vote definitely is. The coach/player vote is a more accurate representation of who really are the best players imho.PRO-BOWL is a popularity contest
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Mack Strong deserves it big time. He has helped blocked for many good/great rushing seasons and has never been rewarded. Its about time.It's nice to see another FB make it other than Alstott. He is majorly overrated. The only reason he gets noticed more is because he scores TDs. It's nice to see a FB that doesn't always take the glory make it in.:X Koren Robinson :X
No Alstott
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
I really hope you are kidding. Caddy should be no where close the Pro Bowl this year with Rbs lke Alexander, Barber, Dunn, Portis, and Thomas Jones. Caddy missing it is not a snub or a travesty at all, it should have been expected.No Caddy
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Shawne Merriman
LT2
Lo Neal
Gates
Jamal Williams
Good to see Jamaal go, I'm very happy for him.Vick going to the pro bowl is a travesty. All you people talking about the NFC having an advantage in their recievers are missing the point - once Vick gets in the game it wouldn't matter if he had Jerry Rice on one side and Godzilla on the other to throw to, he wouldn't be able to be productive passing the ball.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Vick can throw the ball fine. It's the WR's that are the problem. There's no way any QB could have a 300+ game with the sorry WR's he has to play with.Besides he just wins (8-6).Shawne Merriman
LT2
Lo Neal
Gates
Jamal Williams
Vick going to the pro bowl is a travesty. All you people talking about the NFC having an advantage in their recievers are missing the point - once Vick gets in the game it wouldn't matter if he had Jerry Rice on one side and Godzilla on the other to throw to, he wouldn't be able to be productive passing the ball.
I was afraid Jamal Williams was going to get snubbed once again. He and Lorenzo Neal definitely deserved it this year, so it's great to see them go.This will be the first of many years for Merriman.
He actually looked pretty good throwing to Holt the last time around.Shawne Merriman
LT2
Lo Neal
Gates
Jamal Williams
Vick going to the pro bowl is a travesty. All you people talking about the NFC having an advantage in their recievers are missing the point - once Vick gets in the game it wouldn't matter if he had Jerry Rice on one side and Godzilla on the other to throw to, he wouldn't be able to be productive passing the ball.
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
I hate this argument.Hate it.
Based on that, Kyle Orton should've been a lock for the pro-bowl. Hell, he should be an MVP candidate.
A quarterback is a very important part of a team, sure. But, he's only 1 of *twenty-two* starters on a team.
Twenty-one other players have much, much, MUCH more to say about whether a team wins or loses than the one QB.
I don't think you're understanding the argument fully.If the Bears do terrible now that Orton isn't playing, then Orton comes back and they do well again- then that is valid to say that Orton is a winner. However, I think that most people here would agree that wouldn't happen.
But that is what happened with Vick. They were a playoff team with him. They went 2-11 without hiim. Then he came back that same year that they went 2-11 and they went 3-1 with him! Seriously, please try to explain that! Then when you're done with that, explain them going to the NFC Championship game the next year with him.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
You must have read my comment wrong. Let me state it again.Vick just wins (8-6).
See the loses are not Vicks, just the WINS. Vick makes the offensive line better, the RB's better, and heck even the defense is better because Vick is playing. They have nothing to do with winning just the L's.
Also, dont' forget a opposing team has to game plan for him and only him. You realize this has never been done before in the history of the NFL EVER right?
GiantsRule
Footballguy
Except for Tom Brady. He's Jesus in a red, white, & blue uniform.
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rhawkins68
Footballguy
Teams don't have to gameplan for Tom Brady.Except for Tom Brady. He's Jesus in a red, white, & blue uniform.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Yep. I'm with you. No way they lose that game with Vick playing.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Then i guess Drew Bledsoe got snubbed this year too.
The Vick apologist are very funny. The guy is not a good QB. Face it. 
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Teams do not game plan for Bledsoe so he did not get snubbed. I mean Vick might actually run on you. Imagine Bledsoe attempting that. So teams that play dallas get a few days off since there's no game planning around bledsoe and what he might do.Then i guess Drew Bledsoe got snubbed this year too.
packersfan
Footballguy
No question this is a down year in the NFC at the QB position thanks to the injuries to McNabb and Culpepper and Favre playing badly. But Hasselbeck clearly deserved to go. That one should not get any debate. Delhomme got ripped off by Vick last season so I don't have a problem with him going. But if it's all about "wins" with Vick as you so love to say, then Manning should be going over Vick without hesitation. And Vick shouldn't be going ahead of Brunell or Bledsoe since both of their teams have the same number of wins. In that case, the tiebreaker should be which QB is playing better and Brunell and Bledsoe would then win out over Vick.No matter how you slice it, Vick going to the Pro Bowl is a joke.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
It's possible but you'd have to get out the Magic 8 ball and ask it. Then again it's more accurate than a Vick pass.
packersfan
Footballguy
And in Vick's last game he got outplayed by Rex Grossman. Something tells me Schaub going toe-to-toe with Tom Brady in a game where he clearly played well enough to win doesn't look quite so bad in comparison.Matt Schaub played in one game against the Pats when the Pats were a pretty lousy team. Atlanta lost.
You must have read my comment wrong. Let me state it again.
Vick just wins (8-6).
See the loses are not Vicks, just the WINS. Vick makes the offensive line better, the RB's better, and heck even the defense is better because Vick is playing. They have nothing to do with winning just the L's.
Also, dont' forget a opposing team has to game plan for him and only him. You realize this has never been done before in the history of the NFL EVER right?
Am I the only one sensing sarcasm here? I could be wrong.
It's possible but you'd have to get out the Magic 8 ball and ask it. Then again it's more accurate than a Vick pass.
Thats what I thought.
Vick just wins (8-6).
See the loses are not Vicks, just the WINS. Vick makes the offensive line better, the RB's better, and heck even the defense is better because Vick is playing. They have nothing to do with winning just the L's.
Also, dont' forget a opposing team has to game plan for him and only him. You realize this has never been done before in the history of the NFL EVER right?
Am I the only one sensing sarcasm here? I could be wrong.
It's possible but you'd have to get out the Magic 8 ball and ask it. Then again it's more accurate than a Vick pass.
Thats what I thought.
thunderclap
Footballguy
Very excited to see Jamal get named, long past due.Shawne Merriman
LT2
Lo Neal
Gates
Jamal Williams
And I'm a little surprised to see Merriman make it since I assumed he wasn't getting national recognition before the Colts game, and that it would be too late for him to get the votes, but I'm glad he did.Did you not mention Hanik Milligan for a reason? I was surprised he made it as well, since Kassim Osgood seemed to be the special teams poster boy for the Chargers.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
I agree Vick going is a joke.Hasselbeck (sp?) should have been voted in without a doubt. I believe Eli still needs to grow some before making it in but with the other major talent down he's a good choice. Delhomme has been to the big game and handles the ball well so I have no issue with him making it in.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Right and Vick can't pass on you so all the DB's get a week off. The guy is not a good QB. Praise him all you want for running fast. That is all he does. Maybe Randle El should move back to QB if that is all it takes to make the pro bowl.Teams do not game plan for Bledsoe so he did not get snubbed. I mean Vick might actually run on you. Imagine Bledsoe attempting that. So teams that play dallas get a few days off since there's no game planning around bledsoe and what he might do.Then i guess Drew Bledsoe got snubbed this year too.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Your forgetting the fact that the Defense plays better when Vick is in the game. Schuab just hasn't mastered that portion of the game yet. Also Schuab threw the ball to the terrible WR's that didn't have a clue what to do when they actually could catch the ball.And in Vick's last game he got outplayed by Rex Grossman. Something tells me Schaub going toe-to-toe with Tom Brady in a game where he clearly played well enough to win doesn't look quite so bad in comparison.Matt Schaub played in one game against the Pats when the Pats were a pretty lousy team. Atlanta lost.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
No you still have to game plan for the pass, Vick has a great arm and accuracy. It's just the system he's in that's the problem. Once he has a few more years and better WR's he'll be better.Right and Vick can't pass on you so all the DB's get a week off. The guy is not a good QB. Praise him all you want for running fast. That is all he does. Maybe Randle El should move back to QB if that is all it takes to make the pro bowl.Teams do not game plan for Bledsoe so he did not get snubbed. I mean Vick might actually run on you. Imagine Bledsoe attempting that. So teams that play dallas get a few days off since there's no game planning around bledsoe and what he might do.Then i guess Drew Bledsoe got snubbed this year too.
rexnervous
Footballguy
Enough of the Vick talk. It's really difficult to think he deserves it, but then again he made it on the votes of the players and coaches. Nice to see DeAngelo Hall making it. This is really his first season (remember, he was out most of last year with the broken pelvis).Guy's gonna be a great one.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Tatupu is the alternate which is still very good and there is the chance Trotter steps down or an injury for Urlacher or Trotter.
http://www.seahawks.com/ArDisplay.aspx?ID=6319
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Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
This is absolutely ridiculous. What do the WR's have to do with that game? Schaub threw for 298 yds and 3 TD's with 0 INT's in that game to those very WR's. How many times has Vick thrown for 3 TD's this year? They scored 28 pts. but the team gave up 31 pts. How on earth is it a fact that Vick playing makes the defense play better? What sort of evidence do you have of this? That is absolutely one of the biggest piles of hogwash I've heard in a while considering that very same defense gave up 31 pts. to the pitiful Saints a week after the NE game with Vick under the center and gave up 33 points to a 3 win GB team with him starting in addition to 30 against TB with him under center. I could see how a QB would help the defense by running the offense more efficiently and letting the defense rest, but Shaub ran the offense every bit as efficiently in that game as Vick has or moreso. Did Shaub give up passing plays of 33, 55, and 45 yards? Didn't think so. The fact of the matter is that the Falcons have lost to every good team they've faced no matter who is under center, some of them fairly lopsidedly and have only beaten the weaker teams they are supposed to be able to beat. It is a sign of a talented player that teams gameplan against them, but to be a Pro Bowler those teams ought to be a lot less successful in that than teams have been this year.Your forgetting the fact that the Defense plays better when Vick is in the game. Schuab just hasn't mastered that portion of the game yet. Also Schuab threw the ball to the terrible WR's that didn't have a clue what to do when they actually could catch the ball.And in Vick's last game he got outplayed by Rex Grossman. Something tells me Schaub going toe-to-toe with Tom Brady in a game where he clearly played well enough to win doesn't look quite so bad in comparison.Matt Schaub played in one game against the Pats when the Pats were a pretty lousy team. Atlanta lost.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
That bad season was two years ago with Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner at QB behind Vick. Are either of them even in the NFL still? Yes, at that point in time they were better with him then they were without him but I don't think we have sufficient evidence to say the same this year. We don't know that Schaub would lead them to a better record or not as only one game against a playoff bound team is not an adequate sample size. All we do know is that Vick has not led his team to a single big victory this year losing both games to the top teams in his division in addition to getting beaten by pathetic teams like GB. He got in because he's a huge talent, not because of anything he's done on the field. He was a default pick since the top QB's in the NFC for the first part of the season in McNabb and Bulger both got hurt and nobody else can have that strong of an argument made for them.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Galloway has 8 receiving TD out of the teams 13. Both deserve to go based on the stats. But I can't help feeling that Galloway deserved it more because he accounts for a greater proportion of Tampa’s offense. Besides, doesn't Holt go every year?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Or it could be that the sum of their parts are greater than any individual whole. I mean, can anyone really say that any of Denver's O-Lineman are the best at their position in the AFC? Probably not. However, when working as a team, they do their job and do it very well.
Why does that matter? So because Holt goes every year, then he should not go this year because someone who normally does not make it is having a comparable year? It is a tough call between Holt and Galloway, but considering that Holt is still excelling with the Rams starting their 3rd string QB for the past month, I think that says quite a bit about how good Holt is and what a great season he is having once again. Yes, Galloway has had a great year, but with so many WR's having great years in the NFC, some were bound to be left out and Galloway was one of the unfortunate ones.
Donnie Edwards has been screwed in the past, but this year he didn't deserve to go. Not that he's played poorly, but this is the first year in a long time (going back to his days with the Chiefs) that I don't think he's played at a Pro-Bowl level.
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rhawkins68
Footballguy
I was joking using the arguments others use. I believe Vick is an average QB and nothing more.This is absolutely ridiculous. What do the WR's have to do with that game? Schaub threw for 298 yds and 3 TD's with 0 INT's in that game to those very WR's. How many times has Vick thrown for 3 TD's this year? They scored 28 pts. but the team gave up 31 pts. How on earth is it a fact that Vick playing makes the defense play better? What sort of evidence do you have of this? That is absolutely one of the biggest piles of hogwash I've heard in a while considering that very same defense gave up 31 pts. to the pitiful Saints a week after the NE game with Vick under the center and gave up 33 points to a 3 win GB team with him starting in addition to 30 against TB with him under center. I could see how a QB would help the defense by running the offense more efficiently and letting the defense rest, but Shaub ran the offense every bit as efficiently in that game as Vick has or moreso. Did Shaub give up passing plays of 33, 55, and 45 yards? Didn't think so. The fact of the matter is that the Falcons have lost to every good team they've faced no matter who is under center, some of them fairly lopsidedly and have only beaten the weaker teams they are supposed to be able to beat. It is a sign of a talented player that teams gameplan against them, but to be a Pro Bowler those teams ought to be a lot less successful in that than teams have been this year.Your forgetting the fact that the Defense plays better when Vick is in the game. Schuab just hasn't mastered that portion of the game yet. Also Schuab threw the ball to the terrible WR's that didn't have a clue what to do when they actually could catch the ball.And in Vick's last game he got outplayed by Rex Grossman. Something tells me Schaub going toe-to-toe with Tom Brady in a game where he clearly played well enough to win doesn't look quite so bad in comparison.Matt Schaub played in one game against the Pats when the Pats were a pretty lousy team. Atlanta lost.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Talk about a dominant O-line....3 players (Tobeck, Huch, Jones) from the Hawks O-line are in the Pro Bowl.
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