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Amused to Death said:
I'm very saddened and shocked by this.

Piotr Grudzinski Passes Away Aged 40

Riverside guitarist Piotr Grudzinski has died, according to a statement on the Polish band's website.

In a short statement the band simply say: "In our deepest pain and disbelief we would like to inform you that our dearest friend and brother Piotr Grudzinski has passed away this morning. We kindly ask you to respect the privacy of his family and friends."
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Wow just saw this. He attended a concert that night. One of my favorite guitar sounds. RIP.



 
I'm the typical prog rock fan: Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. but I feel like I'm in the minority in that I consider Phish a progressive rock band. No doubt they are a 'jam band' but those two things aren't mutually exclusive. I mean, listen to Fluffhead, Walls of the Cave, Reba, Guyute, and so on--how is Phish not progressive?

 
I was at Steven Wilson's show at the Beacon Theater (NYC) last night.  He had no voice and only sang 4 songs.  The rest was handled by Ninet Tayeb    :wub:  , who is featured on the North American tour, and guitarist Dave Kilminster.  Made for a very unique show!

 
Amused to Death said:
I was at Steven Wilson's show at the Beacon Theater (NYC) last night.  He had no voice and only sang 4 songs.  The rest was handled by Ninet Tayeb    :wub:  , who is featured on the North American tour, and guitarist Dave Kilminster.  Made for a very unique show!
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Yep, word is that he is dealing with a nasty cold.  That has to suck dealing with that when you are on tour alone, much less when you are a singer. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Yep, word is that he is dealing with a nasty cold.  That has to suck dealing with that when you are on tour alone, much less when you are a singer. 
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Fortunately Ninet was there - she took the lead vocals on 9 songs with Kilminster handling 2 and the audience 1.  Ninet crushed it on "Routine" and <possible spoiler>. Just watching her stage presence was a treat. You could tell on her first tune she was a bit unsure, but after a couple of lines she found her range she really just belted it out.

 
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Todem said:
This album flamed out for me after further listens.

Overall 6/10

A dud in the overall DT catalog.
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I got this CD when it came out, listened to it and like most, I really had a tough time liking it.

Then I saw it live, was very skeptical going in, but afterwards I have a whole new appreciation for it.  If you get a chance to see the show, you must see it.

As we know, DT never puts on a bad show, but seeing this story live in its entirety was really good.

A New Beginning, wow....the ending solo is phenomenal live. JP is genius. Favorite part of the show. There are some You Tube vids of it.

The piano pieces although mellow are much better when seen live.

From Thousand voices to the end also fantastic live. Crowd gets up and brings it to an climatic finish.

 
DreamTheater said:
I got this CD when it came out, listened to it and like most, I really had a tough time liking it.

Then I saw it live, was very skeptical going in, but afterwards I have a whole new appreciation for it.  If you get a chance to see the show, you must see it.

As we know, DT never puts on a bad show, but seeing this story live in its entirety was really good.

A New Beginning, wow....the ending solo is phenomenal live. JP is genius. Favorite part of the show. There are some You Tube vids of it.

The piano pieces although mellow are much better when seen live.

From Thousand voices to the end also fantastic live. Crowd gets up and brings it to an climatic finish.
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Love them live....wish they would come to Florida. But they are snubbing us for the second straight tour. It's insane.

 
Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings '80 live (VIDEO 5 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMX-4lHxRg

Hackett '79 live, circa Please Don't Touch (VIDEO 45 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ6fRLe6bQk

Steven Wilson 5.1 surround remixes of King Crimson's Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair, as well as Tales From Topographic Oceans by Yes coming out later in 2016.

King Crimson '82 live (VIDEO 50 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64swVmq_XPk

'84 live (VIDEO 90 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvE3dYKHxwU

Yes - TFTO (AUDIO 80 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwNe2QXwrU

 
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Amused to Death said:
"Progressive" is a broad term. I think in the U.S. progressive metal is far more popular now than more true forms of prog rock. I'm not a death metal fan, but I love older Opeth and their blend of prog metal with the growl. I like their newer releases but I'd rather get my straight prog from Steven Wilson, Rush and Riverside. When I listen to Opeth, its "Still Life", "My Arms, Your Hearse" and "Ghost Reveries".
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Pretty much agree with all of this, but Opeth can still once in a while come up with some catchy tunes.

Love the Gilmour like moment near the end of this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxvN_GxgpF8

 
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Got my tickets for Steven Wilson. So looking forward to this show (Hand Cannot Erase in it's entirety first set then plenty of other solo and Porcupine Tree stuff in set two and encore).

 
Todem said:
Got my tickets for Steven Wilson. So looking forward to this show (Hand Cannot Erase in it's entirety first set then plenty of other solo and Porcupine Tree stuff in set two and encore).
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Where are you seeing him?  Does he still have Ninet with him?  Its a really awesome show!  You'll love it.

 
Todem said:
11/20/16 at the Culture Room which is a small club....so I will be right up front. John Wesley's band is opening.
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Wow, nice bonus.  It almost begs for a guest appearance during some PT tunes.

I've never listened to any of Wesley's stuff but I know he was around for a while before getting the PT gig.  He also used to be Fish's guitarist, which is where I first heard of him.

 
New Glass Hammer album comes out September 27th. Really love this band and wish they would tour. If you haven't listened to them before, I really like their Chonometree and Shadowlands albums.

 
Haken and Thank You Scientist is coming to New Orleans in September.  I'm not a live show guy, but I might have to go to this one since it is such a rarity. 

 
Lemme aks you guys sumn:

Do you guys need the imagery - the gothic, gamer, middleearth, damned & foresaken or jus plane masturbatory pretension in your lyrics and general zeitgeist in order to dig u some prog?

In the last year, an old friend from my prog days volunteered to help me w the arrangements for the str8up musical that has been the the motive of my life the last 6 yrs now. In exchange, i was to clean up and, in fact, write lyrics for the songs the ol' riffmeister wasnt able to get off the ground lo these many decades.

Naturally, our work was going to end up crossing over each other and we indeed tried some mutual synthesis. Our love of prog is based in the symphonic theme&variation so beautifully explored by the early masters in classical and rock, before they complicated themselves out of business in the 70s that is. He riffed and improvised, i scribbled and contextualized and soon enough we had ourselves a damn fine 8 minute tune about the urge of the quest in man and its often ruinous consequences. Lot of big bad bombastics, scherzos&andantes, and a grandiass ending theme. At some point, i just cried out "this aint prog - it's ADVENTURE music!" in pure joy.

Before long, we had worked out the idea using him as kind of a 2nd guitar/bandleader to the best young (we're both over 60, tho he dont look 50, and i HATE age and rock together) musicians we could assemble to play live what we would record TomScholz-style. We even envisioned a theme album "Flight", with songs about Kitty Hawk, WW1 dogfights, barnstormers, the Enola Gay, Yaeger v sound barrier, blastoff, stealth over Afghanistan, base jumping in them spacebat suits. Cool, huh?

Then, the stoopid ******* goes and sells some of my work without telling me. Some of "his" songs that i cleanedup/wrote to his music weren't his music - they were a friend's who had the same frustration w his work. He coulda just told me and thrown sumn my way, but 800 bucks is 800 bucks and worth a hell of a lot more than the frikkin future of prog, maaaan.

Anyway, i divert. Will the prog audience these days go wherever the best music takes them or does the fanboy gestalt have to be served to move any product? Whaddyathink?

 
I am not sure what to make of that post :lol:  , but I just know that I like a lot of progressive music because I generally like music that is adventurous and large in scope, which prog music often is (when done well).  Don't get me wrong, I love tons of other music as well (I can listen to Prince, Opeth, Doobie Brothers, Herbie Hancock, Whitesnake and Arcade Fire all in the span of 30 minutes and love it all), but for me, prog music, when done well, is about as good as it gets.  

 
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwNe2QXwrU

10/7 re-release, 3 CD, 1 Blu-ray OR 2 CD, 2 DVD Audio editions including 5.1 surround mix by Steven Wilson.

10/14 re-releases, also on the Steven Wilson front, 40th Anniversary 1 CD, 1 DVD Audio editions of Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair by King Crimson including 5.1 surround mixes.  

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_Topographic_Oceans

"Following its release, Tales from Topographic Oceans received a mixed critical reception and became a symbol of progressive rock excess with its detailed concept and lengthy songs. However it was a commercial success, becoming the first UK album to qualify for Gold certification based on pre-orders alone. It topped the UK Album Chart for two weeks and reached number 6 in the US, where it reached Gold certification for over 500,000 copies sold."

"At the time of recording, heavy metal group Black Sabbath were recording Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (1973) in the adjacent studio. Singer Ozzy Osbourne recalled the Yes studio also had a model cow with electronic udders fitted and a small barn to give the room an "earthy" feel.[21] "About halfway through the album", said Offord, "The cows were covered in graffiti and all the plants had died. That just kind of sums up that whole album".[11] At one point during the recording stage, Anderson wished for a "bathroom sound" effect on his vocals and asked the band's lighting engineer, Michael Tait, to build him a plywood box with tiles stuck onto it. After Tait explained to Anderson that the idea would not work, Tait "built it anyway".[22] Sound engineer Nigel Luby recalled that tiles would fall off the box during recording takes.[23]

Wakeman felt increasingly disenchanted by the album during the recording stage, and spent much of his time drinking and playing darts in the studio bar.[24] He also spent time with Black Sabbath, playing the Minimoog synthesiser on their track "Sabbra Cadabra". Wakeman would not accept money for his contribution, so the band paid him in beer.

"Dean, who primarily describes himself as a landscape painter, wished to convey his enthusiasm for landscapes within the album's artwork. He stressed that nothing depicted in the design is made up, and that everything is of a particular thing.[35] Painted using watercolour and ink, the front depicts fish circling a waterfall under several constellations of stars. In his 1975 book Views, Dean wrote: "The final collection of landmarks was more complex than ... intended because it seemed appropriate to the nature of the project that everyone who wanted to contribute should do so. The landscape comprised amongst other things, some famous English rocks taken from Dominy Hamilton's postcard collection. These are, specifically: Brimham Rocks, the last rocks at Land's End, the Logan Rock at Treen and single stones from Avebury and Stonehenge. Jon Anderson wanted the Mayan temple at Chichen Itza with the sun behind it, and Alan White suggested using markings from the plains of Nazca. The result is a somewhat incongruous mixture, but effective nonetheless."[36] In 2002, readers of Rolling Stone magazine voted the album's cover as the best cover art of all time."

 
Tales is a nice listen from start to finish if you just turn it on and let it play, but individually, the two middle tracks are kind of a mess structurally, and while the first and last songs are both very good, neither stand up to their great tunes from the 70s.  Good Yes album, but the least best of that era (1971-1975). 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Tales is a nice listen from start to finish if you just turn it on and let it play, but individually, the two middle tracks are kind of a mess structurally, and while the first and last songs are both very good, neither stand up to their great tunes from the 70s.  Good Yes album, but the least best of that era (1971-1975). 
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My least favorite of the '70s Yes.  For me its just a chore to listen to.  Pretty sure the band felt the same when they played the material live.

 
I still like it more than Turn of the Century (which sounds awful; where did the low end go?) and Tormato (which SUCKS), but it just doesn't compare to The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge or Relayer, all of which are stellar. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
I still like it more than Turn of the Century (which sounds awful; where did the low end go?) and Tormato (which SUCKS), but it just doesn't compare to The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge or Relayer, all of which are stellar. 
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You mean Going For The One?  I'm gonna have go ahead and disagree with you on these.  Fragile, CttE and Relayer would be my top 3, but of all the ones you list TFTO is at the bottom of the list.  Just from the 2 bolded I'll take The Awaken and On The Silent Wings of Freedom over the entirety of Tales.

 
:wall:   :lol:   Yes, I meant  Going for the One.  Awaken is a really good tune, but I don't genuflect to it like a lot of Yes fans do.  The only song I ever return to from Tormato is Onward, and even that isn't accurate, since I always listen to the live version from Keys to Ascension rather than the studio original.  As pretty as Yes' music often was, it's crazy how they made a record that sound as ugly as Tormato does. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
:wall:   :lol:   Yes, I meant  Going for the One.  Awaken is a really good tune, but I don't genuflect to it like a lot of Yes fans do.  The only song I ever return to from Tormato is Onward, and even that isn't accurate, since I always listen to the live version from Keys to Ascension rather than the studio original.  As pretty as Yes' music often was, it's crazy how they made a record that sound as ugly as Tormato does. 
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Well to be honest, I don't listen to Tormato much but I do listen to the '78 bootlegs quite a bit.  Their '77 & '78 tours were fantastic imho.

 
Topographic Oceans is the most disappointing album of my lifetime.

Having been a runaway my last two years of HS and getting a huuuuge break in da showbidness @ 19yo, fall72- summer73 was my only young wasto goofball year. Me and my best pal - still my best pal - would do mescaline & bourbon and either cruise chicks, check rockshows or blast records while his nurse mom worked her late shift almost every night. I'd usually pass out on the floor when the mesc was spent and Jeff delighted in setting up speakers next each me ears and putting on Bartok string quartets full blast and sending in his droolyass bassett hound to lick my face at wake-up.

And Yes ruled our playlist. Sure Tull, ELP, Genesis (we saw their 1st American show that winter), Allmans, Pie & Faces made that the most important year in airguitar history, but Yes was our i-have-seen-the-face-of-God band. So much so that i cut out of working an actual rock&roll tour to be with Jeff on TfTO release day in late '73 as he cracked the seal on what was sure to be the masterpiece of masterpieces. Oy gevalt - it was an hour & a half of Brits pullin pud without gettin hard. Really, the day that prog died (though Tull's tour-ending Passion Play dates in Boston that fall had wounded it severely). Except for rare Radiohead moments, kickass and complexity have lived apart ever since.

 
Riverside's "Eye of the Soundscape" was released today.  13 songs, 1hr 42 min of instrumentals.  Been listening on Spotify this morning.

Mariusz Duda on the release:

"For years, we have accumulated a lot of material, a part of which was released on bonus discs. I know that some of our listeners still haven't heard those pieces and do not realise that RIVERSIDE, basically right from the start, have been experimenting with ambient and progressive electronic music. And that's always been a part of our music DNA.

So I presented the idea to the rest of the band and the decision was unanimous. We decided to make a compilation of all our instrumental and ambient pieces, and release it this year as an independent album. Some of the songs would be re-mixed to make them sound better, but most of all, we'd add new compositions."

 
My Arms, Your Hearse tends to be one of those albums that I fully acknowledge is really good, but I never have the urge to listen to.  Demon of the Fall and The Amen Corner are the only songs from it I ever listen to. 

Still Life through Watershed is an incredible run of records (even if the first and last songs on Deliverance tend to be skippers for me). 

 
Speaking of Yes, I think they are nominated again for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. How they are not 1st ballot HoFers is beyond me.

 
pecorino said:
Speaking of Yes, I think they are nominated again for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. How they are not 1st ballot HoFers is beyond me.
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Saw Jon with violinist Ponty on PBS a couple weeks ago. Amazing how well his voice held up at over 70. And Ponty could still show the devil how to play fiddle.

 
#### Everyone And Run.  Great new album by Marillion - I like it as much as Marbles and Bridge.  Caught their show at the Keswick Theater in (almost) Philly last weekend.

 
Folks......some delicious Prog Metal has just been released by a band my 11 year old son actually turned me on to this past year.

Avenged Sevenfold - The Stage

If you like Prog Metal it is a must listen. Front to back it is a rocking record with incredible musicianship and passion. Very high energy, and very inspired playing. I am really looking forward to seeing this performed (hopefully front to back) on their up-coming world tour in support of this fine record. It is on the much harder side of Prog (hence proig metal) but IMO a great album for those who like hard rock as well as the tradiontional old school prog rock.

 
Todem said:
Folks......some delicious Prog Metal has just been released by a band my 11 year old son actually turned me on to this past year.

Avenged Sevenfold - The Stage

If you like Prog Metal it is a must listen. Front to back it is a rocking record with incredible musicianship and passion. Very high energy, and very inspired playing. I am really looking forward to seeing this performed (hopefully front to back) on their up-coming world tour in support of this fine record. It is on the much harder side of Prog (hence proig metal) but IMO a great album for those who like hard rock as well as the tradiontional old school prog rock.
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I know the name and have probably heard them at some point but not in my library.  Halfway through on Spotify - tracks 2 and 5 stand out the most for me so far.

Have you heard the new Marillion?

 
Yes Creating G-D (track 5) is amazing.

The entire album flows beautifully and it really starts to sink in after 2-3 full listens. 

I need to check out the new Marillion ASAP.

i also love Sunny Disposition and the last track is a sick (Exisit).

Angels and the track right after it also amazing tunes.

All of it really for me.

 
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I didn't think Avenged Sevenfold was considered prog.  They are very much a hard rock/metal band. 

Anyway, the new Neal Morse CD is out, under the Neal Morse Band name.  Sounds really good so far! 

 
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