Psychotic bimbos destined to become old maids (1 Viewer)

[James Daulton]

These women who are 30-34 with unrealistic expectations will be the next generation of women aged 40-44 on Match.Com pleading for a date with divorced fat bald guys who like to drink and gamble.

A buddy of mine's father attests to this. He gets more ### at his age now (late 40s-early 50s) from women who wouldn't have pissed on his head if it were on fire when he was younger.

This is nothing new. Older women have always been more desperate and less picky.If you're a woman in your 20s, then you have a virtually unlimited choice in men. But once you get to around 30 years old, most of the men in your age group have gotten married, so you have to lower your standards and expand your acceptable age range. Then you hit 35 and you discover that the "good" men in your age range are in such short supply (and therefore high demand), that you have to lower your standards even more. By the time you get to your mid-40s, an "average" woman has no chance with an average man in her own age group. She either has to settle for a below-average man, or she has to settle for a significantly older man. Either way, she's settling.

Sounds harsh but it's basically the flipside of what happens in your 20s.

Will somebody please forward this post to our wives? Many are unaware how good they have it.

The dynamic is totally different for older women who are already married. They have very little incentive to improve their personality and/or their looks because they know they'll get half of their husband's stuff and/or alimony if they get divorced.

bah, stupid women.

 

[msommer]

Who needs a needy, high maintenance witch?

That aside many independent single women all over the world choose not to get married. It is especially a problem in China and the rest of Asia. IIRC the Economist had an article about this a few years ago, projecting that 50 million men in China alone could not get married by 2050 because of this trend.

 

[TLEF316]

As a single, semi successful not so handsome 31 year old man, I fully support the theories outlined in this article. The dating pool sucks

 

[Fat Nick]

If my notebook is correct your wife is Korean? If so, all my Korean buddies tell me that Korean women are impossible. This sounds like an even more extreme case....good luck to her.

First - you have a notebook on us FBG's? That's odd.

Second - no, my wife is white. Blondeish hair, green/grey eyes. I'm 1/2 Thai though, so maybe that's where the Asian persuasion was coming from....

I've got a good buddy who is Korean. Very Americanized, but was expected to marry a Korean girl, and he confirmed your comment...he said that they're impossible to date. Full of double-standards, etc. I've never really been into Asian chicks despite being 1/2 Asian. I guess it's where I grew up. Not too much diversity when I was a kid. Better now though.

Good God. If she ever does get married, it won't last long. I already feel sorry for her future husband. Poor *******.

We used to tell her when she was with her now-ex that she needed to be careful because she was really mean to him sometimes. I feel for her on some levels, because she is a really sweet and caring person, but she's also shallow and selfish at the same time. I know that's contradictory, but you'd have to meet her to really get it.

My wife is the oldest of 3 girls. Not a chance I would've gotten along with the other 2 if the personalities were swapped.

 

[FUBAR]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

those guys are out there (many of us here would meet most criteria other than Catholic and location) but these guys are probably either married or not looking to get hitched.

 

[TripItUp]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

those guys are out there (many of us here would meet most criteria other than Catholic and location) but these guys are probably either married or not looking to get hitched.

That is basically me(minus the catholic part)

I'm having a great time being single...it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Why would I get tied down and risk half of my net worth.

 

[Fat Nick]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

those guys are out there (many of us here would meet most criteria other than Catholic and location) but these guys are probably either married or not looking to get hitched.

That is basically me(minus the catholic part)

I'm having a great time being single...it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Why would I get tied down and risk half of my net worth.

I have no doubt that there are some guys who meet that criteria...but you've got to meet that THEN have compatible personalities. I guess I just don't get limiting the dating pool based on "attributes." It just seems shallow. Most guys have a "type," but I think we're less picky. I know I dated (and married) outside of my "type."

My SIL and I get along great...but I would get eliminated for nearly every one of her attributes except the family and education ones. I didn't grow up in the city..not an affluent area...no interest in city living, older than the wife...Agnostic. I'm not saying we'd work romantically (we wouldn't), but she'd never know that with someone because of her check-boxes. "He has to know how to snowboard. I'm not teaching a grown man to snowboard." Meanwhile, I learned when I was 29 because of my wife, and love it now....

I don't even get why she's so hung up on money either...she'll be good once she finishes dental school, and her parents are not hurting for money...just meet a good guy.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Boys are falling behind because they are ####ing lazy and would rather play video games instead of read a damn book. Truth.

I've always suspected but it is now confirmed, you're a moron. Yes boys play video games too much but the deck is stacked against them now. War against women is all we hear yet our boys are being destroyed by believers who think the sexes are the same. They aren't. Young men are being forgotten, college graduation rates support what I am saying. There is a war against men now but no one acknowledges it

I agree with CSTU. Most boys are lazy. You tell them to go home and read their 20 mins a night (which is not much to ask, btw) and they want to watch tv or play games. Most girls do what is asked and then some. That is how they get ahead. Of course, I am generalizing, there are many boys who do well just as there are many lazy girls who do not want to work.

You would be surprised at how many boys get very little sleep each night because parents think it is o.k. to have the XBox in the kid's room. A big part of this are parents who have no idea how they are harming their kids by allowing this. Although, it is a tad ironic, because they are just pushing the actual parenting back a few years as these boys eventually grow into man-children who cannot hold or get decent jobs, or even relate to the opposite sex in any meaningful way because they spent their middle and high school years building their army for Clash of Clans or some other epic time waster.

 

[The Ref]

All of this if your a man you should wait till your 40 to get married is a nice story and probably true from many perspectives..... Except if you want to have kids.

I'm 40 now and I have a 7 year old. In some ways it would be nice to have another but I can't see having a 18-19 year old in the house when I'm 60. If I was just getting married now and wanted to have a kid that's what I'd be looking at.

 

[kentric]

Immediately thought of this joke:

A store that sells husbands has just opened where a woman may go to choose a husband from among many men. The store is composed of 6 floors, and the men increase in positive attributes as the shopper ascends the flights.

There is, however, a catch. As you open the door to any floor you may choose a man from that floor, but if you go up a floor, you cannot go back down except to exit the building.

So a woman goes to the shopping center to find a husband.

On the first floor the sign on the door reads:

Floor 1 - These men have jobs.

The woman reads the sign and says to herself, "Well, that's better than my last boyfriend, but I wonder what's further up?" So up she goes.

The second floor sign reads:

Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids.

The woman remarks to herself, "That's great, but I wonder what's further up?" And up she goes again.

The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids and are extremely good looking.

"Hmmm, better" she says. "But I wonder what's upstairs?"

The fourth floor sign reads:

Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking and help with the housework.

"Wow!" exclaims the woman, "very tempting. BUT, there must be more further up!" And again she heads up another flight.

The fifth floor sign reads:

Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework and have a strong romantic streak.

"Oh, mercy me! But just think... what must be awaiting me further on?" So up to the sixth floor she goes.

The sixth floor sign reads:

Floor 6 - You are visitor 6,875,953,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please

 

[James Daulton]

And as a married, semi-successful, and better than average looking dude, enough with the tales of how much poon single decent looking guys in their 40's are slaying.

 

[msommer]

And as a married, semi-successful, and better than average looking dude, enough with the tales of how much poon single decent looking guys in their 40's are slaying.

www.ashleymadison.com

HTH

 

[cstu]

Boys are falling behind because they are ####ing lazy and would rather play video games instead of read a damn book. Truth.

I've always suspected but it is now confirmed, you're a moron. Yes boys play video games too much but the deck is stacked against them now. War against women is all we hear yet our boys are being destroyed by believers who think the sexes are the same. They aren't. Young men are being forgotten, college graduation rates support what I am saying. There is a war against men now but no one acknowledges it

It's has nothing to do with men vs. women - it's simply a fact that girls on average are putting more effort into education than boys. Nobody is 'forgetting' boys, except maybe their parents when they allow to them play video games all day, watch non-education crap like Star War cartoons, and put them into sports that takes away from their education.

Far more girls are playing organized sports now, than back in the 70s/80s (and earlier) so this doesn't support your argument.

I think the school system has shifted in favor of girls over boys in recent decades. I've read multiple pieces written on how schools are set up (purposely or not) to cater to how females learn, rather than boys.

Anecdotally speaking, I would never thrive in my kids school. They get 45 minutes to eat lunch AND play at recess combined. They have gym twice a week, and the gym teacher yells at those who dominate team sports and "don't pass to the girls" enough. It is rediculous. When I was in grade school, we had morning and afternoon recess, as well as gym almost every day. I can barely sit still at work all day long but at least I have the freedom to get up and move around whenever I want. I can't imagine being tied to a desk all day every day when I was 12. And we wonder why boys aren't focused enough? They have no outlet for their energy and/or hormones.

Girls play sports but how many of them are as competitive as boys? Most are there for the bonding, not the competition.

I will give you that classrooms are designed better for girls than boys, especially high energy ones. Traditional classrooms that require boys to sit still for long periods with few (like you said, one!) breaks to get their energy out are not good for them.

Another issue is that girls are naturally more conscientious - it's easier to get them to do their homework earlier and they organize their homework. It seems that every parent of a boy I talk to complains how difficult it is to get them to do their homework and then they either lose it or forget to turn it in. With schools set up to reward conscientiousness (turning in homework everyday) more than test results, that can create dissatisfaction with school among boys.

IMO the problem is two-fold - schools are not ideally designed for boys and parents of boys are not spending enough preparing them for school and teaching them the skills they need to succeed (organization especially).

 

[James Daulton]

Man, I still can't believe Johnnycakes hasn't lit up this thread.

Weird.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Boys are falling behind because they are ####ing lazy and would rather play video games instead of read a damn book. Truth.

I've always suspected but it is now confirmed, you're a moron. Yes boys play video games too much but the deck is stacked against them now. War against women is all we hear yet our boys are being destroyed by believers who think the sexes are the same. They aren't. Young men are being forgotten, college graduation rates support what I am saying. There is a war against men now but no one acknowledges it

It's has nothing to do with men vs. women - it's simply a fact that girls on average are putting more effort into education than boys. Nobody is 'forgetting' boys, except maybe their parents when they allow to them play video games all day, watch non-education crap like Star War cartoons, and put them into sports that takes away from their education.

Far more girls are playing organized sports now, than back in the 70s/80s (and earlier) so this doesn't support your argument.

I think the school system has shifted in favor of girls over boys in recent decades. I've read multiple pieces written on how schools are set up (purposely or not) to cater to how females learn, rather than boys.

Anecdotally speaking, I would never thrive in my kids school. They get 45 minutes to eat lunch AND play at recess combined. They have gym twice a week, and the gym teacher yells at those who dominate team sports and "don't pass to the girls" enough. It is rediculous. When I was in grade school, we had morning and afternoon recess, as well as gym almost every day. I can barely sit still at work all day long but at least I have the freedom to get up and move around whenever I want. I can't imagine being tied to a desk all day every day when I was 12. And we wonder why boys aren't focused enough? They have no outlet for their energy and/or hormones.

Girls play sports but how many of them are as competitive as boys? Most are there for the bonding, not the competition.

I will give you that classrooms are designed better for girls than boys, especially high energy ones. Traditional classrooms that require boys to sit still for long periods with few (like you said, one!) breaks to get their energy out are not good for them.

Another issue is that girls are naturally more conscientious - it's easier to get them to do their homework earlier and they organize their homework. It seems that every parent of a boy I talk to complains how difficult it is to get them to do their homework and then they either lose it or forget to turn it in. With schools set up to reward conscientiousness (turning in homework everyday) more than test results, that can create dissatisfaction with school among boys.

IMO the problem is two-fold - schools are not ideally designed for boys and parents of boys are not spending enough preparing them for school and teaching them the skills they need to succeed (organization especially).

I thought the issue was the time taken away from school work, not the fact that they are competing? Besides, boys, especially when they get to puberty, are designed to compete. Allowing them the outlet to compete can only help them be productive in school. I can't see how this can hurt.

Also, I think just about every study I've seen on it confirms that homework has zero positive impact on helping the average student learn. Almost all of the homework I see come home falls into a couple categories; busy work, or inefficient work. Busy work is crap the teacher gives to make sure they are assigning homework. Inneficient work is repetitive work (largely math) for the student to repeat in order to memorize. Very little actually learning, and improving of skills is done at home. 6-7 hours at school is sufficient for most kids to learn. Kids need time to be kids.

I would agree with you that a large part of the issue is parenting. I'm lucky in that I have two boys that are relatively smart, and not trouble makers. My younger son is so competitive he exercises it in school as well. He has a handful of other high achievers that compete for the best scores, etc. It keeps him active in learning. My other son could care less about school, but knows what the expectations are. He needs help with organization and time management, but it could be a lot worse. I know I'm lucky not to have a bigger problem, but we have always put an emphasis on school since early childhood, so they know the importance.

Hijack over.

 

[FUBAR]

I have no doubt that there are some guys who meet that criteria...but you've got to meet that THEN have compatible personalities. I guess I just don't get limiting the dating pool based on "attributes." It just seems shallow. Most guys have a "type," but I think we're less picky. I know I dated (and married) outside of my "type."

My SIL and I get along great...but I would get eliminated for nearly every one of her attributes except the family and education ones. I didn't grow up in the city..not an affluent area...no interest in city living, older than the wife...Agnostic. I'm not saying we'd work romantically (we wouldn't), but she'd never know that with someone because of her check-boxes. "He has to know how to snowboard. I'm not teaching a grown man to snowboard." Meanwhile, I learned when I was 29 because of my wife, and love it now....

I don't even get why she's so hung up on money either...she'll be good once she finishes dental school, and her parents are not hurting for money...just meet a good guy.

I never did the online dating thing, never had to. But if I did my list would limit the pool by well over 75% and appear shallow too.

"Why limit yourself to women under 140 lbs?" "Why limit yourself to educated women?" "Why limit yourself to active women who enjoy being outdoors and fellatio?"

And as a married, semi-successful, and better than average looking dude, enough with the tales of how much poon single decent looking guys in their 40's are slaying.

I'm happily married and have been since 2 months after graduating college. I know I missed out on a lot of women but don't need to read it here!

 

[Joe Summer]

As a single, semi successful not so handsome 31 year old man, I fully support the theories outlined in this article. The dating pool sucks

Have you heard of the Hot/Crazy Matrix? Well, there is a similar matrix for men, except that "Hot" and "Crazy" are replaced by "Appearance" and "Wealth". Basically, if you are low on the "Appearance" scale, then you need to compensate by increasing your "Wealth" scale. But the good thing for men is that the matrix works in reverse as you get older. You may be considered to be a "5" when you're 31 years old, but when you're 41 you'll automatically be upgraded to a 7 or an 8 simply because there are no more "true 8's" available in your age range. It's kinda like getting a battlefield commission when all the officers get killed (i.e., married) in the line of duty.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

As a single, semi successful not so handsome 31 year old man, I fully support the theories outlined in this article. The dating pool sucks

Have you heard of the

Also explains a lot of the British male dating pool after WW2.

 

[rockaction]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

You and Da Guru have hit on a problem the article addressed, though much more kindly than us on the board would. The dating advice guy said the same thing, only he told his clientele the same thing in a kinder way, and reinforced that it wasn't their fault necessarily, but that the demographics weren't in their favor for such standards.

He was indeed telling them to lower their standards because otherwise they'll have no chance, he just didn't put it that way.

 

[tommyboy]

Reminds me of the old "Lowered Expectations" skit

 

[comfortably numb]

now that women are freely allowed to marry each other, maybe they can start to see how crazy and unrealistic they are?

 

[chauncey]

Immediately thought of this joke:

A store that sells husbands has just opened where a woman may go to choose a husband from among many men. The store is composed of 6 floors, and the men increase in positive attributes as the shopper ascends the flights.

There is, however, a catch. As you open the door to any floor you may choose a man from that floor, but if you go up a floor, you cannot go back down except to exit the building.

So a woman goes to the shopping center to find a husband.

On the first floor the sign on the door reads:

Floor 1 - These men have jobs.

The woman reads the sign and says to herself, "Well, that's better than my last boyfriend, but I wonder what's further up?" So up she goes.

The second floor sign reads:

Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids.

The woman remarks to herself, "That's great, but I wonder what's further up?" And up she goes again.

The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids and are extremely good looking.

"Hmmm, better" she says. "But I wonder what's upstairs?"

The fourth floor sign reads:

Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking and help with the housework.

"Wow!" exclaims the woman, "very tempting. BUT, there must be more further up!" And again she heads up another flight.

The fifth floor sign reads:

Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework and have a strong romantic streak.

"Oh, mercy me! But just think... what must be awaiting me further on?" So up to the sixth floor she goes.

The sixth floor sign reads:

Floor 6 - You are visitor 6,875,953,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please

You forgot the second punchline of the joke:


THE WIFE STORE

Floor 1 - has wives that love sex.

Floor 2 - has wives that love sex and have money.

The third through sixth floors have never been visited.

 

[Fat Nick]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

You and Da Guru have hit on a problem the article addressed, though much more kindly than us on the board would. The dating advice guy said the same thing, only he told his clientele the same thing in a kinder way, and reinforced that it wasn't their fault necessarily, but that the demographics weren't in their favor for such standards.

He was indeed telling them to lower their standards because otherwise they'll have no chance, he just didn't put it that way.

Yeah...Totally. I think when I was talking to the SIL, I tried to sugar coat it, but my basic message was exactly that: lower your standards. I think it's honestly more about being open to meeting someone who might change your mind about some of those things than it is about even lowering standards. When you have multiple "MUST have's," you start to go down a slippery slope. My message to her was basically, what if a guy was your perfect match, but he was 5'10"...would you consider dating him? What if he was all of your criteria, but his parents divorced when he was 15? If you say, "yeah, I'd still date him," then take that criteria off your MUST have list, because it's not a must...it's a "would be nice." If I found her perfect guy, and he couldn't snowboard, I think she'd find a way to help him learn if he wanted to. If not, I'd hope she'd find a way to make it work the 358 or so odd day so of the year you AREN'T snowboarding.

 

[jonessed]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

 

[comfortably numb]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

You and Da Guru have hit on a problem the article addressed, though much more kindly than us on the board would. The dating advice guy said the same thing, only he told his clientele the same thing in a kinder way, and reinforced that it wasn't their fault necessarily, but that the demographics weren't in their favor for such standards.

He was indeed telling them to lower their standards because otherwise they'll have no chance, he just didn't put it that way.

Yeah...Totally. I think when I was talking to the SIL, I tried to sugar coat it, but my basic message was exactly that: lower your standards. I think it's honestly more about being open to meeting someone who might change your mind about some of those things than it is about even lowering standards. When you have multiple "MUST have's," you start to go down a slippery slope. My message to her was basically, what if a guy was your perfect match, but he was 5'10"...would you consider dating him? What if he was all of your criteria, but his parents divorced when he was 15? If you say, "yeah, I'd still date him," then take that criteria off your MUST have list, because it's not a must...it's a "would be nice." If I found her perfect guy, and he couldn't snowboard, I think she'd find a way to help him learn if he wanted to. If not, I'd hope she'd find a way to make it work the 358 or so odd day so of the year you AREN'T snowboarding.

I'm not one to start facebook drama but I have several fb friends who are single and always posting messages and memes about what kind of man they want, what they need, what the dont blah blah blah..and in the same thought with your SIL

I feel like telling them if you want to draw in and attract a "good" man; stop always proclaiming what you NEED instead proclaim what you can GIVE a man.

These women think they are strong, independent, know exactly what they want in a man etc...

What they don't realize is they are just putting up a huge wall a man will have to climb over to satisfy them at THIS stage.....marriage or serious relationship???

eff that

When woman start with their need/wants they come off extremely.....needy

red flags for any type of relationship...oh he only wants to bang you??I wonder why.

 

[Joe Summer]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

You and Da Guru have hit on a problem the article addressed, though much more kindly than us on the board would. The dating advice guy said the same thing, only he told his clientele the same thing in a kinder way, and reinforced that it wasn't their fault necessarily, but that the demographics weren't in their favor for such standards.

He was indeed telling them to lower their standards because otherwise they'll have no chance, he just didn't put it that way.

Yeah...Totally. I think when I was talking to the SIL, I tried to sugar coat it, but my basic message was exactly that: lower your standards. I think it's honestly more about being open to meeting someone who might change your mind about some of those things than it is about even lowering standards. When you have multiple "MUST have's," you start to go down a slippery slope. My message to her was basically, what if a guy was your perfect match, but he was 5'10"...would you consider dating him? What if he was all of your criteria, but his parents divorced when he was 15? If you say, "yeah, I'd still date him," then take that criteria off your MUST have list, because it's not a must...it's a "would be nice." If I found her perfect guy, and he couldn't snowboard, I think she'd find a way to help him learn if he wanted to. If not, I'd hope she'd find a way to make it work the 358 or so odd day so of the year you AREN'T snowboarding.

I think the main thing that your SIL doesn't understand is that any man who meets all of her qualifications is probably not attracted to shallow women.

 

[Fat Nick]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

You and Da Guru have hit on a problem the article addressed, though much more kindly than us on the board would. The dating advice guy said the same thing, only he told his clientele the same thing in a kinder way, and reinforced that it wasn't their fault necessarily, but that the demographics weren't in their favor for such standards.

He was indeed telling them to lower their standards because otherwise they'll have no chance, he just didn't put it that way.

Yeah...Totally. I think when I was talking to the SIL, I tried to sugar coat it, but my basic message was exactly that: lower your standards. I think it's honestly more about being open to meeting someone who might change your mind about some of those things than it is about even lowering standards. When you have multiple "MUST have's," you start to go down a slippery slope. My message to her was basically, what if a guy was your perfect match, but he was 5'10"...would you consider dating him? What if he was all of your criteria, but his parents divorced when he was 15? If you say, "yeah, I'd still date him," then take that criteria off your MUST have list, because it's not a must...it's a "would be nice." If I found her perfect guy, and he couldn't snowboard, I think she'd find a way to help him learn if he wanted to. If not, I'd hope she'd find a way to make it work the 358 or so odd day so of the year you AREN'T snowboarding.

I'm not one to start facebook drama but I have several fb friends who are single and always posting messages and memes about what kind of man they want, what they need, what the dont blah blah blah..and in the same thought with your SIL

I feel like telling them if you want to draw in and attract a "good" man; stop always proclaiming what you NEED instead proclaim what you can GIVE a man.

These women think they are strong, independent, know exactly what they want in a man etc...

What they don't realize is they are just putting up a huge wall a man will have to climb over to satisfy them at THIS stage.....marriage or serious relationship???

eff that

When woman start with their need/wants they come off extremely.....needy

red flags for any type of relationship...oh he only wants to bang you??I wonder why.

This is good stuff.

I tell her all the time to stop "looking" and just be yourself and they'll find you. I think that goes for guys and gals. I jumped from bad relationship to bad relationship for years because I was "looking" too hard, and forcing things. The second I relaxed and stopped worrying about who might like me, etc. and just went out to be myself and have a good time, I met my wife. I wasn't looking...she wasn't looking...we just sort of fit. I'm sure there was some luck to it, but neither of us had predispositions about anything.

 

[Clifford]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

 

[Clifford]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

You and Da Guru have hit on a problem the article addressed, though much more kindly than us on the board would. The dating advice guy said the same thing, only he told his clientele the same thing in a kinder way, and reinforced that it wasn't their fault necessarily, but that the demographics weren't in their favor for such standards.

He was indeed telling them to lower their standards because otherwise they'll have no chance, he just didn't put it that way.

Yeah...Totally. I think when I was talking to the SIL, I tried to sugar coat it, but my basic message was exactly that: lower your standards. I think it's honestly more about being open to meeting someone who might change your mind about some of those things than it is about even lowering standards. When you have multiple "MUST have's," you start to go down a slippery slope. My message to her was basically, what if a guy was your perfect match, but he was 5'10"...would you consider dating him? What if he was all of your criteria, but his parents divorced when he was 15? If you say, "yeah, I'd still date him," then take that criteria off your MUST have list, because it's not a must...it's a "would be nice." If I found her perfect guy, and he couldn't snowboard, I think she'd find a way to help him learn if he wanted to. If not, I'd hope she'd find a way to make it work the 358 or so odd day so of the year you AREN'T snowboarding.

I'm not one to start facebook drama but I have several fb friends who are single and always posting messages and memes about what kind of man they want, what they need, what the dont blah blah blah..and in the same thought with your SIL

I feel like telling them if you want to draw in and attract a "good" man; stop always proclaiming what you NEED instead proclaim what you can GIVE a man.

These women think they are strong, independent, know exactly what they want in a man etc...

What they don't realize is they are just putting up a huge wall a man will have to climb over to satisfy them at THIS stage.....marriage or serious relationship???

eff that

When woman start with their need/wants they come off extremely.....needy

red flags for any type of relationship...oh he only wants to bang you??I wonder why.

Not so much needy as self-involved, self-interested, arrogant, boring, predictable, likely bad lay, etc

 

[cstu]

I tell her all the time to stop "looking" and just be yourself and they'll find you. I think that goes for guys and gals. I jumped from bad relationship to bad relationship for years because I was "looking" too hard, and forcing things. The second I relaxed and stopped worrying about who might like me, etc. and just went out to be myself and have a good time, I met my wife. I wasn't looking...she wasn't looking...we just sort of fit. I'm sure there was some luck to it, but neither of us had predispositions about anything.

I'm confused...your advice is to never relax and keep worrying?

 

[renesauz]

INteresting read. Something to note though is the fact that men are more open to decent paying jobs that don't require a four or more year degree. How many women become plumbers, pipefitters, welders, shipbuilders, HVAC repairmen? There are more women in college because of the disparity in the higher paying manual labor jobs. These college educated girls should be looking for a plumber: he probably makes more than half the college educated men out there anyway!

 

[Fat Nick]

I tell her all the time to stop "looking" and just be yourself and they'll find you. I think that goes for guys and gals. I jumped from bad relationship to bad relationship for years because I was "looking" too hard, and forcing things. The second I relaxed and stopped worrying about who might like me, etc. and just went out to be myself and have a good time, I met my wife. I wasn't looking...she wasn't looking...we just sort of fit. I'm sure there was some luck to it, but neither of us had predispositions about anything.

I'm confused...your advice is to never relax and keep worrying?

I suppose it depends on the angle you're taking.

 

[Fat Nick]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

 

[mquinnjr]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

 

[Aerial Assault]

not sure if they touched on this but another reason why women will continue to struggle to find "mr right" is the draconian divorce laws of the nation that basically hamstring men into one way relationships and breakups.

I sort of bet they didn't touch on that.

 

[cstu]

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

Too bad she's Catholic and doesn't like old guys from broken homes.

 

[Aerial Assault]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

Your little one is really cute!

As for the rest, sorry, I'm out!

-Mr. 5'11''

 

[comfortably numb]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

Ooooh

That's her???

I didn't recognize her with her clothes on.

She is good looking

 

[Fat Nick]

You guys are totally making my point...I'm sure some of you are decent guys...but her check-list eliminates most of us for one reason or another.

And Arial Assault - Thanks re. the little guy. He was 7 weeks early, and now is 93% for height at his age and a huge flirt with the girls at daycare. Maybe someday he'll be tall enough to date girls with unrealistic standards.

 

[Aerial Assault]

You guys are totally making my point...I'm sure some of you are decent guys...but her check-list eliminates most of us for one reason or another.

And Arial Assault - Thanks re. the little guy. He was 7 weeks early, and now is 93% for height at his age and a huge flirt with the girls at daycare. Maybe someday he'll be tall enough to date girls with unrealistic standards.

Your last sentence - that's really funny. Awww to him being a huge flirt.

 

[James Daulton]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

She's cute. Not near cute enough to be demanding Mr. Perfect, but cute. I'll give her a 6.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Yup, she's attractive. My advice would be that the financial expectations are fine, but worry less about height, hobbies, etc. If she wants to rock climb or snowboard she can go with friends or whatever.

 

[Da Guru]

You guys are totally making my point...I'm sure some of you are decent guys...but her check-list eliminates most of us for one reason or another.

And Arial Assault - Thanks re. the little guy. He was 7 weeks early, and now is 93% for height at his age and a huge flirt with the girls at daycare. Maybe someday he'll be tall enough to date girls with unrealistic standards.

She is not great but also not bad. A mid 6 who could be a mid 7 if she was eager to please.

 

[Clifford]

the seemingly paradoxical problem that the more attractive the woman is, the more difficult it can be for her to find a partner.

Nothing paradoxical about it - a hot, college educated woman thinks she deserves to be married to a CEO.

This is my sister-in-law to a tee...Attractive, in dental school, very smart. Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.We got her a Match.com membership for her birthday, and some of her "must-have's" are hilarious.

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men)

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that)

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code)

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister)

Has to have a college education.

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live

Has to be Catholic

There were a few more, but I read her profile and literally laughed. I told her that she'd essentially cut a hypothetical dating pool of 1,000 men down to probably less than 15 with all those criteria. She spouted on about how "she wants a guy who can take good care of her and is educated, career minded," blah blah blah. I told her that's fine, but being career minded and educated is not mutually exclusive with a broken home, height, or where someone lives.

She's convinced she's holding out for Mr. Right, and I've told her that she needs to be open to dating for the sake of dating. If she keeps those standards up, she's going to be single until she's well into her 30's...

Sounds like a hoot.

If she isn't drop-dead gorgeous she might as well pack it up and move to a convent. Nobody is going to deal with that crap.

Well we've seen how hot women are that write articles about how hard it is to be so hot. So guessing not that hot.

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

Is Episcopalian Catholic enough? I do like snowboarding...

 

[cstu]

Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

Smart move.

 

[Fat Nick]

You guys are totally making my point...I'm sure some of you are decent guys...but her check-list eliminates most of us for one reason or another.

And Arial Assault - Thanks re. the little guy. He was 7 weeks early, and now is 93% for height at his age and a huge flirt with the girls at daycare. Maybe someday he'll be tall enough to date girls with unrealistic standards.

She is not great but also not bad. A mid 6 who could be a mid 7 if she was eager to please.

If this impacts your rankings, you may be lowering her to a 5 from what I can gather from conversations with her ex and my wife. :(

 

[Fat Nick]

Recently was dumped by her boyfriend of 7 or so years because he wanted to move to Cali and be young and free.

Smart move.

Except he's soon to move in with his new girlfriend, who, at least in my opinion, is nowhere near as hot or potentially successful. But...to each his own. Can't fault the guy for doing what he wants to do.

 

[Tom Servo]

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

Kinda has a Lisa Loeb vibe going...

 

[Da Guru]

You guys are totally making my point...I'm sure some of you are decent guys...but her check-list eliminates most of us for one reason or another.

And Arial Assault - Thanks re. the little guy. He was 7 weeks early, and now is 93% for height at his age and a huge flirt with the girls at daycare. Maybe someday he'll be tall enough to date girls with unrealistic standards.

She is not great but also not bad. A mid 6 who could be a mid 7 if she was eager to please.

If this impacts your rankings, you may be lowering her to a 5 from what I can gather from conversations with her ex and my wife. :(

A mid 6 at first glance with potential..like if she gave great head it could raise a point or a point and a half.. That number can drop to a mid 5 very easily though.

 

[sbonomo]

She's kind of hit-or miss. When she over-does the fashion, she looks ridiculous. Better when she doesn't try as hard. I'd call her attractive though. Here's a decent pic of her. (with my kid)..better than Ms. Caterpillar Eye-brows I'd say...

Definitely better looking than the self-proclaimed hotty....at least she has that going for herself. now, let's see if i make the cut (i am married so this is definitely hypothetical):

Must be over 6' tall. (There goes more than 50% of men) - Shoot i am 5'11" - if i were on match i am sure that i would round up thought - Check

Must have married parents (doesn't want someone from a broken family...like they can help that) - Check

Can't be from certain neighborhoods in their city (i.e. wants affluence, and assumes it's sortable by zip code) - I am from AZ so i am sure i qualify. - Check

Can't be more than 5 years older than her or 2 years younger (I'm 8 years older than my wife, her sister) - 39???not sure

Has to have a college education. - Check

Has to want to live in the city where they currently live - Assuming it is not a terrible city maybe

Has to be Catholic - I was confirmed as a kid does that count? Have not been to or followed church since i was a kid. I might lie for the right gal though.

On top of that i make 2-3x as much as her, have all my ducks in a row, etc. Tell her that i would be elimated by 2-3 of her criteria off the start if i were being honest. Good luck to her......