Punt and Kickoff Returners '08 (1 Viewer)

[zenzephyros]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the input. I also agree that the Jags plan on increasing his role in the offense. It makes a lot of sense.

My draft is a week from Saturday. If anything more on the situaiton pops up PLEASE let me/the board know.

On a side note, is it possible on footballguys to get an RSS feed to this Forum topic. I know you can usually get a feed running to an entire post board, but does this board have that capability for each topic?

 

[Marc Levin]

What are the "safest" bets at KR/PR as far as depth chart goes at this point? Are there any?

Cribbs / Breaston / Hester / Ginn Jr - those 4 will always be the top guys... no matter role they have; they will always get returns

I appreciate all of the response to my question. My focus has been on either those that will get the lion share of return yards for their teams (see the four above), or will see significant field time on offense, and have either PR or KR yards. In that category I put MJD, Stewart, Washington, McGee, Hobbs?, Welker, and Norwood. Hester and Ginn give you the double bonus, and it looks like Breaston may see the field on 3 WR sets...

If Boldin is traded away, Breaston could be a HUGE steal in PPR + return yardage leagues.

 

[Marc Levin]

Is there any place to find projections for return guys? My league is thinking about adding points for return yards this season

I haven't found any anywhere.An equally good question is, will FBG's be doing any in-season return yardage projections?

Unlikely, however, I will see if TRACKING return yardage is a possibility.At least that way, we can factor it into our weekly/season/per game leader charts

 

[Jayrod]

Is there any place to find projections for return guys? My league is thinking about adding points for return yards this season

I haven't found any anywhere.An equally good question is, will FBG's be doing any in-season return yardage projections?

Unlikely, however, I will see if TRACKING return yardage is a possibility.At least that way, we can factor it into our weekly/season/per game leader charts

Fine, I'll just have to do it, then. Honestly, what do I pay you people for?

 

[KellysHeroes]

What are the "safest" bets at KR/PR as far as depth chart goes at this point? Are there any?

Cribbs / Breaston / Hester / Ginn Jr - those 4 will always be the top guys... no matter role they have; they will always get returns

I appreciate all of the response to my question. My focus has been on either those that will get the lion share of return yards for their teams (see the four above), or will see significant field time on offense, and have either PR or KR yards. In that category I put MJD, Stewart, Washington, McGee, Hobbs?, Welker, and Norwood. Hester and Ginn give you the double bonus, and it looks like Breaston may see the field on 3 WR sets...

If Boldin is traded away, Breaston could be a HUGE steal in PPR + return yardage leagues.

I highly doubt Boldin goes anywhere this yr... but next yr, who knows. I would begin drafting him nnnnnoooooooowwwwwwww. Boldin and Fitz are never on the field together past Oct, one is always hurt... and Breaston is going to be beating whatever singles are on him.So I suggest taking him now, even if you don't get return yds

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

good stuff here.

 

[Marc Levin]

BUFFALO

In last night's game...

Leodis McKelvin, the Bills' 2008 first-round pick, electrified the crowd by running a punt back 95 yards to put Buffalo up 24-14. McKelvin, the No. 11 draft pick overall, may not be ready to start at cornerback, but the player who tied a U.S. college Division I-A record with eight career returns for touchdowns could very well give the Bills a huge boost in the return game this season. "He stuck that foot on the ground and just exploded," Jauron said. "And when he does that, he looks like no one can catch him. We thought he was talented and he's showed it."

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That was the most Hester-like return I've seen in a while. I never heard of the guy before, but that was an exciting return. I have to think the Buffalo D/ST will be a nice value pick this year if he's able to rip a few of those off.

Ouch.Dude, hook up with college football. It rocks.

And you will never again be in a "who?" situation when the first round of the NFL draft is announced.

 

[Marc Levin]

Is there any place to find projections for return guys? My league is thinking about adding points for return yards this season

I haven't found any anywhere.An equally good question is, will FBG's be doing any in-season return yardage projections?

Unlikely, however, I will see if TRACKING return yardage is a possibility.At least that way, we can factor it into our weekly/season/per game leader charts

Fine, I'll just have to do it, then. Honestly, what do I pay you people for?

I love the Shark Pool . . . No matter how much content we kick out each year, the folks here want more.

 

[Alias]

Is there any place to find projections for return guys? My league is thinking about adding points for return yards this season

I haven't found any anywhere.An equally good question is, will FBG's be doing any in-season return yardage projections?

Unlikely, however, I will see if TRACKING return yardage is a possibility.At least that way, we can factor it into our weekly/season/per game leader charts

Fine, I'll just have to do it, then. Honestly, what do I pay you people for?

I love the Shark Pool . . . No matter how much content we kick out each year, the folks here want more.

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

 

[Marc Levin]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

 

[KellysHeroes]

not much of Hester tonight..

 

[Mike Herman]

JACKSONVILLE

KR Brian Witherspoon was held out of practice because of a sore ankle, but Del Rio indicated the rookie could play at Tampa Bay.

linkNEW ORLEANS

“From a kick-return standpoint, we’ve seen some real good things from Pierre Thomas,” said Saints coach Sean Payton, who has placed an emphasis on improved returns compared to last season. New special teams coach Greg McMahon is trying to improve the Saints’ kickoff return average (21.3), which ranked 26th in the NFL last season. “Coach has put so much work into the schemes to make our kick returns better and get to the top in the league rankings,” Thomas said. “Coach wanted us to get a lot better in the return game and I think we’re doing that. We’re improved from last year. The guys up front are giving me great looks. They’re each getting on their man and getting great blocks. What we set out to do is just find the hole and hit it hard. My job is to help set the wedge for the guys and help set their blocks and go off of that.” Aaron Stecker is also competing as a kick returner, though he hasn’t returned a kick in either of the two preseason games. Former LSU player Skyler Green is competing for both the kick return and punt return jobs. The other punt returners are Reggie Bush, Lance Moore and rookie Tracy Porter. Payton said Porter, Green, and Moore will “receive a bunch of work” against the Bengals.

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[Mike Herman]

ST. LOUIS

Dante Hall, always a favorite among Chiefs fans, is hoping to prove to Rams fans this season that he still has plenty left in the tank. Hall wasn't exactly bad last season. He had one punt return for a touchdown. But he spent most of the season hurt. This season he's feeling rejuvenated after working out in the off-season back home in Houston with old pal and former Chief Derrick Blaylock. Actually, Hall told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch he worked out with a lot of old friends from Houston. "Once I got healthy enough, I just jumped in with them," Hall said. "It just brought back that zest and that love for the game. Seeing these guys made me remember how I came in — wide-eyed, not knowing what to expect, and just working my butt off."

Hall said he also improved his diet. "A lot of greens. A lot of fish. A lot of water intake," he said. "I'd rather have a sub sandwich instead of fast food. And in the evening, I would have my girl — I have a girlfriend now — cook for me more. Baked chicken. Asparagus." Hall is about five to 10 pounds lighter this season.

Hall also told the newspaper he was thrilled that the Rams brought in former Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders. "That was the other thing that made all the difference," Hall said. "Because I felt like at times last year, no matter how hard I worked, no matter what I did, I knew I wasn't going to get on the field (at wide receiver). The offense wasn't suited for me. I knew Al was the kind of guy that he's going to put the best players on the field. He's not concerned with the contract; he's concerned with what you show him on the field."

linkHall has been working as the third WR in practice.

 

[AnonymousBob]

ST. LOUIS

Dante Hall, always a favorite among Chiefs fans, is hoping to prove to Rams fans this season that he still has plenty left in the tank. Hall wasn't exactly bad last season. He had one punt return for a touchdown. But he spent most of the season hurt. This season he's feeling rejuvenated after working out in the off-season back home in Houston with old pal and former Chief Derrick Blaylock. Actually, Hall told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch he worked out with a lot of old friends from Houston. "Once I got healthy enough, I just jumped in with them," Hall said. "It just brought back that zest and that love for the game. Seeing these guys made me remember how I came in — wide-eyed, not knowing what to expect, and just working my butt off."

Hall said he also improved his diet. "A lot of greens. A lot of fish. A lot of water intake," he said. "I'd rather have a sub sandwich instead of fast food. And in the evening, I would have my girl — I have a girlfriend now — cook for me more. Baked chicken. Asparagus." Hall is about five to 10 pounds lighter this season.

Hall also told the newspaper he was thrilled that the Rams brought in former Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders. "That was the other thing that made all the difference," Hall said. "Because I felt like at times last year, no matter how hard I worked, no matter what I did, I knew I wasn't going to get on the field (at wide receiver). The offense wasn't suited for me. I knew Al was the kind of guy that he's going to put the best players on the field. He's not concerned with the contract; he's concerned with what you show him on the field."

linkHall has been working as the third WR in practice.

Value! I'm going to go drop Branch to pick him up. Thanks Herman!

 

[Jayrod]

ST. LOUIS

Dante Hall, always a favorite among Chiefs fans, is hoping to prove to Rams fans this season that he still has plenty left in the tank. Hall wasn't exactly bad last season. He had one punt return for a touchdown. But he spent most of the season hurt. This season he's feeling rejuvenated after working out in the off-season back home in Houston with old pal and former Chief Derrick Blaylock. Actually, Hall told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch he worked out with a lot of old friends from Houston. "Once I got healthy enough, I just jumped in with them," Hall said. "It just brought back that zest and that love for the game. Seeing these guys made me remember how I came in — wide-eyed, not knowing what to expect, and just working my butt off."

Hall said he also improved his diet. "A lot of greens. A lot of fish. A lot of water intake," he said. "I'd rather have a sub sandwich instead of fast food. And in the evening, I would have my girl — I have a girlfriend now — cook for me more. Baked chicken. Asparagus." Hall is about five to 10 pounds lighter this season.

Hall also told the newspaper he was thrilled that the Rams brought in former Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders. "That was the other thing that made all the difference," Hall said. "Because I felt like at times last year, no matter how hard I worked, no matter what I did, I knew I wasn't going to get on the field (at wide receiver). The offense wasn't suited for me. I knew Al was the kind of guy that he's going to put the best players on the field. He's not concerned with the contract; he's concerned with what you show him on the field."

linkHall has been working as the third WR in practice.

In only 7 games last year, Hall had over 1,000 return yards and a TD. Project that out over a full year and that's well over 2,000 yards and 2 TD's. That's Cribbs territory.Add in even 2 catches a game, 400 total receiving yards and another TD and he's a viable roster holder in return yardage leagues.

ETA: He's likely just holding the rookie Avery's spot on O until the kids ready to go, so don't expect much toward the end of the season unless Avery stays down.

 

[Mike Herman]

PHILADELPHIA

Rookies Quintin Demps and DeSean Jackson both had electrifying touchdown returns last night in the Eagles' 27-17 preseason win over the Patriots at Gillette Stadium, Demps bringing back a kickoff 101 yards late in the second quarter and Jackson adding a 76-yard TD moments later. This was Demps' first game as the Eagles' primary kick returner after replacing the ineffective Lorenzo Booker. Demps and Jackson both ran through traffic to set up their returns, then finished them off with pure speed. “That's one of the reasons why we drafted those guys — both of them can really run,” General Manager Tom Heckert said. “Both of them did it in college and both of them can go out there and make big plays. It's exciting to see. That's something we haven't had in a while, that kind of explosion back there. Other than Brian (Westbrook), who you know isn't going to do it (full-time), that's something we haven't had since Brian Mitchell (from 2000-02). But these guys can do it on their own. We knew they'd be good, but it's great to see them doing it now.” Jackson also had a 45-yard punt return that was negated by a couple holding calls on the Eagles and caught four passes for 67 yards. “It was a beautiful punt return,” Jackson said. “I felt the punter got a good kick on it and kind of outkicked his coverage, and I just did a great job of catching the ball and making two moves to the side and hitting the seam and getting right up the middle. From there, it was nothing but daylight.”

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[Mike Herman]

KANSAS CITY

"Just watch him, he's like a bowling ball with butcher knives on it. He's not the biggest guy, but it's hard to tackle him. And he's not the fastest guy, which is probably why he wasn't drafted. But look at what he did at Oklahoma State. He doesn't go down on the first hit. If you think you can just hit him with your shoulder, you've got problems. He's got a short base and strong legs. When he gets ready to get hit, he has the ability to get his weight into you and hit you back."

- HC Herm Edwards on rookie RB (and potential return specialist) Dantrell Savage

 

[Mike Herman]

DETROIT

The punt-return competition is wide-open. The Lions tried Aveion Cason, Shaun McDonald and Devale Ellis on Saturday. "We're still looking," coach Rod Marinelli said. "I think we're solid. Nobody's really jumped out. So if you're solid, no penalties."

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[KellysHeroes]

DETROIT

The punt-return competition is wide-open. The Lions tried Aveion Cason, Shaun McDonald and Devale Ellis on Saturday. "We're still looking," coach Rod Marinelli said. "I think we're solid. Nobody's really jumped out. So if you're solid, no penalties."

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Sounds like Cason is going to be the odd man out of the 5 RBs.

 

[Mike Herman]

DETROIT

The punt-return competition is wide-open. The Lions tried Aveion Cason, Shaun McDonald and Devale Ellis on Saturday. "We're still looking," coach Rod Marinelli said. "I think we're solid. Nobody's really jumped out. So if you're solid, no penalties."

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Sounds like Cason is going to be the odd man out of the 5 RBs.

Don't cross him off your list just yet... Cason's job might be safer than some of the other RBs due to his special teams work, and depending on the status of his ankle injury. In fact there has been rumor/speculation that if he can do well on punt returns (something he hasn't done since his freshman year in college) the team might go with an extra RB and one less WR (i.e. Devale Ellis, Brandon Middleton, and Kenneth Moore would all be outta luck)

 

[Mike Herman]

Is there a master list or pay content article (that I am apparently not finding) that spells out at least preliminary KR/PR duties? I can use the depth chart but it doesn't really give the full picture that I am looking for such as: Is the person the primary KR, can they lose reps if they are a full time starter on Offense or Defense, etc....

The following recently posted article includes a listing of the primary returners for each team:Returnerguys - 2008 Preseason Edition

 

[Wildman]

KANSAS CITY

"Just watch him, he's like a bowling ball with butcher knives on it. He's not the biggest guy, but it's hard to tackle him. And he's not the fastest guy, which is probably why he wasn't drafted. But look at what he did at Oklahoma State. He doesn't go down on the first hit. If you think you can just hit him with your shoulder, you've got problems. He's got a short base and strong legs. When he gets ready to get hit, he has the ability to get his weight into you and hit you back."

- HC Herm Edwards on rookie RB (and potential return specialist) Dantrell Savage

I'm a Savage fan, because he's a versatile back with enough vision, quickness, hands, and toughness to be a situational runner early in his career. This quote from Edwards isn't surprising. I'll be cheering for him.

 

[NOONAN]

Is there a master list or pay content article (that I am apparently not finding) that spells out at least preliminary KR/PR duties? I can use the depth chart but it doesn't really give the full picture that I am looking for such as: Is the person the primary KR, can they lose reps if they are a full time starter on Offense or Defense, etc....

The following recently posted article includes a listing of the primary returners for each team:Returnerguys - 2008 Preseason Edition

YYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks Mike!!!

 

[KellysHeroes]

Whats up w/ T Branch not getting a return in the Oak game?

 

[Mike Herman]

Whats up w/ T Branch not getting a return in the Oak game?

He won't handle returns until the cast comes off. He just does the one-handed thing in practice.

 

[asn4play]

so whats the status with Justin Miller? There was a report that said he injured his foot and was taken in for x-rays. anybody have any info on his status?

also is he the starting DB/KR guy out there in NJ?

 

[Mike Herman]

so whats the status with Justin Miller? There was a report that said he injured his foot and was taken in for x-rays. anybody have any info on his status?

also is he the starting DB/KR guy out there in NJ?

Miller is the backup KR. Washington is the starter.

Tests revealed that CB Justin Miller, who was carted off the field with a foot injury and didn't return, suffered a dislocated toe. He shouldn't miss extended time, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

linkOut 1 to 3 weeks.

 

[Alias]

Is there a master list or pay content article (that I am apparently not finding) that spells out at least preliminary KR/PR duties? I can use the depth chart but it doesn't really give the full picture that I am looking for such as: Is the person the primary KR, can they lose reps if they are a full time starter on Offense or Defense, etc....

The following recently posted article includes a listing of the primary returners for each team:Returnerguys - 2008 Preseason Edition

Very cool, thanks.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Is there a master list or pay content article (that I am apparently not finding) that spells out at least preliminary KR/PR duties? I can use the depth chart but it doesn't really give the full picture that I am looking for such as: Is the person the primary KR, can they lose reps if they are a full time starter on Offense or Defense, etc....

The following recently posted article includes a listing of the primary returners for each team:Returnerguys - 2008 Preseason Edition

Very cool, thanks.

And I love Herman's picture.

 

[Mike Herman]

PITTSBURGH

Released Jeremy Bloom

 

[bjabrad]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB. I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data. Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

 

[Fantasy Girl]

 

[the spanker]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB. I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data. Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

WR 8??? How many receptions are you projectiing for Hester this year?

 

[Mike Herman]

DALLAS

Injuries to Isaiah Stanback and Miles Austin have put Adam Jones and Felix Jones back in consideration to return kickoffs. There had been hesitance about either doing the job earlier in camp. "It's a different set of circumstances," Phillips said. "I think we need to consider it now." Rookie first-round pick Mike Jenkins will also get a chance. He averaged 26.7 yards in nine returns for his career at South Florida, including a 100-yarder for a touchdown against Cincinnati. "I like running with the ball," Jenkins said. "I was a running back in high school and moved over to cornerback because I didn't like getting hit. I can take some of them now."

LINK

 

[Jayrod]

DALLAS

Injuries to Isaiah Stanback and Miles Austin have put Adam Jones and Felix Jones back in consideration to return kickoffs. There had been hesitance about either doing the job earlier in camp. "It's a different set of circumstances," Phillips said. "I think we need to consider it now." Rookie first-round pick Mike Jenkins will also get a chance. He averaged 26.7 yards in nine returns for his career at South Florida, including a 100-yarder for a touchdown against Cincinnati. "I like running with the ball," Jenkins said. "I was a running back in high school and moved over to cornerback because I didn't like getting hit. I can take some of them now."

LINK

And to think I was about to drop Pacman because he wasn't doing kickoffs.......

 

[Mike Herman]

INDIANAPOLIS

Return specialist CB T.J. Rushing injured his knee in the game over the weekend and has been placed on IR. Rookie WR Pierre Garcon is next in line to handle returns. WR Devin Aromashodu and WR Courtney Roby are also possibilities.

 

[TheAssassin]

Anyone know who is returning for Pittsburgh, Atlanta or Denver?

 

[zenzephyros]

Following up on Mike's post yesterday:

Kick return moves: On Monday, Wade Phillips ruled out Felix Jones and Adam Jones as the kick returners for Thursday's game. But with injuries to wide receiver Isaiah Stanback and Austin, things have changed slightly. Phillips said Felix Jones most likely will return kicks in the regular-season opener at Cleveland and is undecided about having the rookie do it Thursday.

LINK

 

[Ozymandias]

INDIANAPOLIS

Return specialist CB T.J. Rushing injured his knee in the game over the weekend and has been placed on IR. Rookie WR Pierre Garcon is next in line to handle returns. WR Devin Aromashodu and WR Courtney Roby are also possibilities.

Sacre Bleu!

 

[zenzephyros]

Anyone know who is returning for Pittsburgh, Atlanta or Denver?

This is from what I have read...Atlanta:

KR - Norwood is a possibility, but they drafted a RB/KR named Thomas Brown to seemingly take over that role.

PR - Jennings

Pitt:

KR/PR - Mewelde Moore is the primary for both, but there are a ton of other options behind him. Mendenhall might be used on kicks and Holmes might be used on punts. I believe that Reid and Drummond are still around too. This could end up being a return-by-committee situation, similar to what the Patriots do.

Denver:

KR/PR - Eddie Royal will do both despite his starting gig. LINK

 

[bjabrad]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB. I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data. Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

WR 8??? How many receptions are you projectiing for Hester this year?

The projections I've seen for Hester range from 30-40 receptions, 400-600 yards and 2-4 TD's as a WR (not including KR/PR TD's). These projections give him a high end value of about 100 FF points as a WR and another 100 points as a KR/PR.I actually would value Ginn higher if you get value from return yardage and TD's since it looks like he has higher upside as a WR (130 FF points projected in my league scoring system that gives 1/10 yards and 0.5 PPR). Last years KR/PR yardage would have given him 70 pts in my league at 1/25 yds and his TD's weren't huge last year as a KR/PR so it would appear that the KR/PR pts are more stable than somebody who hits home runs for points like Hester does with his TD's. KR/PR value is virgin ground that FBG's hasn't really tilled yet, IMO. At least not enough to give projections, rankings or to include into the Draft Dominator that I've been able to find.

 

[Mike Herman]

ST. LOUIS

It looks unlikely that former Chiefs kick return man Dante Hall will play for St. Louis in Thursday night's exhibition game at Arrowhead Stadium. Hall, in his second year with the Rams, has a sprained ankle. Here's what Rams coach Scott Linehan said on whether he expects Hall to play on Thursday: “No. I think the news is good, though," Linehan said. "I’ve never heard that before, slight high ankle sprain. That’s a new one. That’s true, the MRI shows a little bit, but I base it more on how he feels. He had a really good look in his eye and he was moving around really well today. It looks favorable for him come the opener.”

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[the spanker]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB. I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data. Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

WR 8??? How many receptions are you projectiing for Hester this year?

The projections I've seen for Hester range from 30-40 receptions, 400-600 yards and 2-4 TD's as a WR (not including KR/PR TD's). These projections give him a high end value of about 100 FF points as a WR and another 100 points as a KR/PR.I actually would value Ginn higher if you get value from return yardage and TD's since it looks like he has higher upside as a WR (130 FF points projected in my league scoring system that gives 1/10 yards and 0.5 PPR). Last years KR/PR yardage would have given him 70 pts in my league at 1/25 yds and his TD's weren't huge last year as a KR/PR so it would appear that the KR/PR pts are more stable than somebody who hits home runs for points like Hester does with his TD's. KR/PR value is virgin ground that FBG's hasn't really tilled yet, IMO. At least not enough to give projections, rankings or to include into the Draft Dominator that I've been able to find.

Thanks, I'm targeting Ginn in all my drafts. Is Leon Washington still slated to do PR/KR duties as well?

 

[Yenrub]

Are the Panthers still thinking about J. Stewart as a kick return man?

 

[zenzephyros]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB. I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data. Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

WR 8??? How many receptions are you projectiing for Hester this year?

The projections I've seen for Hester range from 30-40 receptions, 400-600 yards and 2-4 TD's as a WR (not including KR/PR TD's). These projections give him a high end value of about 100 FF points as a WR and another 100 points as a KR/PR.I actually would value Ginn higher if you get value from return yardage and TD's since it looks like he has higher upside as a WR (130 FF points projected in my league scoring system that gives 1/10 yards and 0.5 PPR). Last years KR/PR yardage would have given him 70 pts in my league at 1/25 yds and his TD's weren't huge last year as a KR/PR so it would appear that the KR/PR pts are more stable than somebody who hits home runs for points like Hester does with his TD's. KR/PR value is virgin ground that FBG's hasn't really tilled yet, IMO. At least not enough to give projections, rankings or to include into the Draft Dominator that I've been able to find.

Thanks, I'm targeting Ginn in all my drafts. Is Leon Washington still slated to do PR/KR duties as well?

Washington should indeed be doing both. Considering that the Jets are trying to get him involved as much as possible, he is a nice sleeper in leagues that awards points for return yards.

 

[Mike Herman]

Are the Panthers still thinking about J. Stewart as a kick return man?

Stewart is thinking about it...

The kickoff returns in the preseason to date have been evenly divided between Jason Carter and Ricardo Colclough, with five apiece. But with Carter now out for the season after injuring his right knee and Ryne Robinson still sidelined with a knee injury, running back Jonathan Stewart still hopes that he'll have the chance to work on kickoffs. "Yeah, it's an opportunity to run the ball, especially if you start the game off with a kickoff return you have the opportunity to set the game pace for the team," Stewart said. "It's a great opportunity to be back there. Whatever decisions they make on kickoff returns -- if I'm back there, so be it." Stewart returned kickoffs throughout his three years at Oregon, but with the Panthers has only worked on the skill on the practice field, sharing return work with Colclough during training camp. Fox said that another possibility on returns is wide receiver Samie Parker, who signed with the Panthers on Tuesday after being released by the Denver Broncos a day earlier. Parker started 31 games for the Kansas City Chiefs in the previous three seasons, averaging 33.7 grabs per year between 2005 and 2007, but did not post any regular-season returns in his time there. "He's got speed; he's got quickness," Fox said. "We've been nicked up a little at that spot, and we'll have a little look-see."

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[TheAssassin]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.

Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

 

[massraider]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB.

I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data.

Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.

Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

WR 8??? How many receptions are you projectiing for Hester this year?

The projections I've seen for Hester range from 30-40 receptions, 400-600 yards and 2-4 TD's as a WR (not including KR/PR TD's). These projections give him a high end value of about 100 FF points as a WR and another 100 points as a KR/PR.I actually would value Ginn higher if you get value from return yardage and TD's since it looks like he has higher upside as a WR (130 FF points projected in my league scoring system that gives 1/10 yards and 0.5 PPR). Last years KR/PR yardage would have given him 70 pts in my league at 1/25 yds and his TD's weren't huge last year as a KR/PR so it would appear that the KR/PR pts are more stable than somebody who hits home runs for points like Hester does with his TD's.

KR/PR value is virgin ground that FBG's hasn't really tilled yet, IMO. At least not enough to give projections, rankings or to include into the Draft Dominator that I've been able to find.

One thing I will say about projecting the points for return yards.if you are doing 1 pt per 25 yards, you will have a lot of yards left on the field. A KO guy might get 48 or 70 yards in returns, and while the totals may line up to 900 yards, it doesn't mean you actually got 36 points for that. It's even worse for a punt returner, as they might get less han 25 punt return yards in a game.

now if the scoring is set up as a decimal, as in getting .04 points per return yard, then you are in business.

 

[Eviloutsider]

So is there any free rankings for IDP in terms of returners?

 

[the spanker]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.Source: Rocky Mountain News

Wow I thought Andre Hall was going to share duties in returns. Would you rank Royal higher than Desean Jackson now?