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Punt and Kickoff Returners 2009 (3 Viewers)

What's with the Saints? Bush doing pr, Thomas doing kr?

I cannot think of any other team that does this kind of thing with their rb's.

 
I see the Saints' NFL.com team page shows Pierre #1 and Meachem #2 as KR.

Rod Harper was kept by the Saints after great Punt Returns and the Saints cut Roby and Skyler.

If Meachem is returning kicks, he's a solid #3 WR in return yardage leagues. Detroit is going to want to make a statement game opening up at home and the running game will be w/o Thomas most likely.

 
RabidRabbit said:
I see the Saints' NFL.com team page shows Pierre #1 and Meachem #2 as KR.

Rod Harper was kept by the Saints after great Punt Returns and the Saints cut Roby and Skyler.

If Meachem is returning kicks, he's a solid #3 WR in return yardage leagues. Detroit is going to want to make a statement game opening up at home and the running game will be w/o Thomas most likely.
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New Orleans is the home team this weekend.Maybe Detroit scores a lot to make Meacham viable returning kicks.

Maybe not.

 
CINCINNATI

It ended up being a productive preseason for the unit. Quan Cosby had the first punt return for a touchdown since 2003, and DeDe Dorsey blocked the first punt in two years and ran it in for a touchdown. Bernard Scott improved as a kick returner over the last two games while Kevin Huber and the punt coverage teams also made gains over the four games. While Cosby is new at punt returner, Andre Caldwell will be back as the kickoff returner with Scott as another option.
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Is anyone doing or seeing weekly projections for return yards? I'm trying to factor this into the weekly projections from FBGs for guys like Leon Washington and Eddie Royal to see how much to bump them up.

Would 90-95 yards be too much for a guy like Washington?

 
GDogg said:
Is anyone doing or seeing weekly projections for return yards? I'm trying to factor this into the weekly projections from FBGs for guys like Leon Washington and Eddie Royal to see how much to bump them up.Would 90-95 yards be too much for a guy like Washington?
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Use the projections dominator. I think that's the best way. You can adjust your own projections to account for return yards, using the expert projections as a baseline. You can add reception yards or other stats to equate the value of the return stats.I think it's better to try and project return yards over the season and then average it out by game. And I also think it's best to project them conservatively because of the unpredictability of return stats.So for example with Washington, last year he had 1200+ kick return yards and 300+ punt return yards. This year he's not returning punts. So I have him projected to get 1000 return yards. Since return yards = the same as receiving yards in my league, I've added 1000 extra receiving yards to the weighted average projection from the dominator app. You can then break it down to a per game average.After you do this, it's still best to use some sound judgement in your decision making for individual game projections. For Washington, who is only returning kicks, his opportunities in a given game for return yards will depend on the opponent. Will the opponent score several times? Or very few times? So you still have to use some prudence and savvy in how you view and apply the projections. It's the best system I've come up with, unless FBG someday adds return stats to their applications and projections.
 
Tenacious said:
GDogg said:
Is anyone doing or seeing weekly projections for return yards? I'm trying to factor this into the weekly projections from FBGs for guys like Leon Washington and Eddie Royal to see how much to bump them up.

Would 90-95 yards be too much for a guy like Washington?
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Use the projections dominator. I think that's the best way. You can adjust your own projections to account for return yards, using the expert projections as a baseline. You can add reception yards or other stats to equate the value of the return stats.I think it's better to try and project return yards over the season and then average it out by game. And I also think it's best to project them conservatively because of the unpredictability of return stats.

So for example with Washington, last year he had 1200+ kick return yards and 300+ punt return yards. This year he's not returning punts. So I have him projected to get 1000 return yards. Since return yards = the same as receiving yards in my league, I've added 1000 extra receiving yards to the weighted average projection from the dominator app. You can then break it down to a per game average.

After you do this, it's still best to use some sound judgement in your decision making for individual game projections. For Washington, who is only returning kicks, his opportunities in a given game for return yards will depend on the opponent. Will the opponent score several times? Or very few times? So you still have to use some prudence and savvy in how you view and apply the projections. It's the best system I've come up with, unless FBG someday adds return stats to their applications and projections.
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He's not? Herman has him listed as both the PR and KR for the Jets with nobody else even listed as a possibility.I was thinking of doing something similar to you. I figured Washington had 1500+ return yards last season. My league awards points for both punts and kicks the same. So, if you project him out to 1500 yards exactly, then he'll average about 94 return yards per game. I won't even try to predict TDs. So, that averages out to about 37.5 more rush/rec yards per game for me. I was then going to just add that to the totals and see where that gets me.

 
GDogg said:
Tenacious said:
GDogg said:
Is anyone doing or seeing weekly projections for return yards? I'm trying to factor this into the weekly projections from FBGs for guys like Leon Washington and Eddie Royal to see how much to bump them up.

Would 90-95 yards be too much for a guy like Washington?
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Use the projections dominator. I think that's the best way. You can adjust your own projections to account for return yards, using the expert projections as a baseline. You can add reception yards or other stats to equate the value of the return stats.I think it's better to try and project return yards over the season and then average it out by game. And I also think it's best to project them conservatively because of the unpredictability of return stats.

So for example with Washington, last year he had 1200+ kick return yards and 300+ punt return yards. This year he's not returning punts. So I have him projected to get 1000 return yards. Since return yards = the same as receiving yards in my league, I've added 1000 extra receiving yards to the weighted average projection from the dominator app. You can then break it down to a per game average.

After you do this, it's still best to use some sound judgement in your decision making for individual game projections. For Washington, who is only returning kicks, his opportunities in a given game for return yards will depend on the opponent. Will the opponent score several times? Or very few times? So you still have to use some prudence and savvy in how you view and apply the projections. It's the best system I've come up with, unless FBG someday adds return stats to their applications and projections.
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He's not? Herman has him listed as both the PR and KR for the Jets with nobody else even listed as a possibility.I was thinking of doing something similar to you. I figured Washington had 1500+ return yards last season. My league awards points for both punts and kicks the same. So, if you project him out to 1500 yards exactly, then he'll average about 94 return yards per game. I won't even try to predict TDs. So, that averages out to about 37.5 more rush/rec yards per game for me. I was then going to just add that to the totals and see where that gets me.
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Right now I don't have clear picture as to whether punt returns will be Washington or DB Jim Leonhard or both. In this week's edition I listed both of them as my best guess.
 
Mike Herman said:
GDogg said:
Tenacious said:
GDogg said:
Is anyone doing or seeing weekly projections for return yards? I'm trying to factor this into the weekly projections from FBGs for guys like Leon Washington and Eddie Royal to see how much to bump them up.

Would 90-95 yards be too much for a guy like Washington?
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Use the projections dominator. I think that's the best way. You can adjust your own projections to account for return yards, using the expert projections as a baseline. You can add reception yards or other stats to equate the value of the return stats.I think it's better to try and project return yards over the season and then average it out by game. And I also think it's best to project them conservatively because of the unpredictability of return stats.

So for example with Washington, last year he had 1200+ kick return yards and 300+ punt return yards. This year he's not returning punts. So I have him projected to get 1000 return yards. Since return yards = the same as receiving yards in my league, I've added 1000 extra receiving yards to the weighted average projection from the dominator app. You can then break it down to a per game average.

After you do this, it's still best to use some sound judgement in your decision making for individual game projections. For Washington, who is only returning kicks, his opportunities in a given game for return yards will depend on the opponent. Will the opponent score several times? Or very few times? So you still have to use some prudence and savvy in how you view and apply the projections. It's the best system I've come up with, unless FBG someday adds return stats to their applications and projections.
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He's not? Herman has him listed as both the PR and KR for the Jets with nobody else even listed as a possibility.I was thinking of doing something similar to you. I figured Washington had 1500+ return yards last season. My league awards points for both punts and kicks the same. So, if you project him out to 1500 yards exactly, then he'll average about 94 return yards per game. I won't even try to predict TDs. So, that averages out to about 37.5 more rush/rec yards per game for me. I was then going to just add that to the totals and see where that gets me.
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Right now I don't have clear picture as to whether punt returns will be Washington or DB Jim Leonhard or both. In this week's edition I listed both of them as my best guess.
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It's a tough one to pin down. Sporting News did state on Sunday that Leonhard has PR duties and Washington is the KR.
 
CAROLINA

After veteran Mark Jones failed his physical Monday and Dexter Jackson left town without a contract from his Tuesday visit, the Panthers are willing to go with the on-hand options to return punts Sunday against the Eagles. Cornerback Captain Munnerlyn and wide receiver Kenny Moore each took about 10 extra balls out of the Jugs machine after practice, as both are preparing as if they're the guy. “They put us out there,” Moore said. “We're going to prepare each day, getting better, feeling more comfortable catching the ball, and whoever they feel more comfortable with, they're going to put out there. I'm just trying to catch more and more. I need to feel like it's second nature.” Asked which one of them he thought it would be, Munnerlyn shrugged and said “We really don't know yet, me and Kenny.” Both had problems hanging onto the ball in the preseason, though Munnerlyn displayed more big-play ability. But until they secure the ball, none of that matters. “Yeah, it's a trust thing,” Munnerlyn said. “Right now, we've got guys back there who have dropped a couple of balls. That's not good. So, it's a trust thing. Being a punt returner, every now and then you're going to drop one. But you can't make it a habit. You have to stop that.”
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can any detroit homers chime in on the KR/PR job there? Is yamon figurs going to be the return guy?

 
Tenacious said:
Mike Herman said:
GDogg said:
Tenacious said:
GDogg said:
Is anyone doing or seeing weekly projections for return yards? I'm trying to factor this into the weekly projections from FBGs for guys like Leon Washington and Eddie Royal to see how much to bump them up.

Would 90-95 yards be too much for a guy like Washington?
Click to expand...
Use the projections dominator. I think that's the best way. You can adjust your own projections to account for return yards, using the expert projections as a baseline. You can add reception yards or other stats to equate the value of the return stats.I think it's better to try and project return yards over the season and then average it out by game. And I also think it's best to project them conservatively because of the unpredictability of return stats.

So for example with Washington, last year he had 1200+ kick return yards and 300+ punt return yards. This year he's not returning punts. So I have him projected to get 1000 return yards. Since return yards = the same as receiving yards in my league, I've added 1000 extra receiving yards to the weighted average projection from the dominator app. You can then break it down to a per game average.

After you do this, it's still best to use some sound judgement in your decision making for individual game projections. For Washington, who is only returning kicks, his opportunities in a given game for return yards will depend on the opponent. Will the opponent score several times? Or very few times? So you still have to use some prudence and savvy in how you view and apply the projections. It's the best system I've come up with, unless FBG someday adds return stats to their applications and projections.
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He's not? Herman has him listed as both the PR and KR for the Jets with nobody else even listed as a possibility.I was thinking of doing something similar to you. I figured Washington had 1500+ return yards last season. My league awards points for both punts and kicks the same. So, if you project him out to 1500 yards exactly, then he'll average about 94 return yards per game. I won't even try to predict TDs. So, that averages out to about 37.5 more rush/rec yards per game for me. I was then going to just add that to the totals and see where that gets me.
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Right now I don't have clear picture as to whether punt returns will be Washington or DB Jim Leonhard or both. In this week's edition I listed both of them as my best guess.
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It's a tough one to pin down. Sporting News did state on Sunday that Leonhard has PR duties and Washington is the KR.
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I was leaning toward starting Washington until the doubts emerged about his KR duties.
 
GREEN BAY

CB Will Blackmon’s bruised thigh — courtesy of a well-placed helmet against Buffalo on Aug. 22 — was tested on Thursday. Blackmon said it went well and is optimistic he’ll be able to practice on Friday, but that will depend on how he feels in the morning. Blackmon’s absence would be missed on kick returns. Jordy Nelson was back deep on punts at practice, as was Charles Woodson. Tramon Williams appears to be the No. 1 option on kickoff returns. “Will is an exciting returner,” McCarthy said. “He’s been very productive for us. He’s definitely a weapon. But I’m very comfortable with Jordy. I think Brett Swain has shown some ability there, and Tramon Williams has done it. DeShawn Wynn has also been productive. We’ll just move forward with those individuals.”
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CAROLINA

Here's an interesting twist...

Carolina Panthers coach John Fox wouldn't say Thursday who will return punts in Sunda's season opener against Philadelphia, but said the candidates include two veterans who filled he role in the past but didn't get work there in the preseason — wide receiver Steve Smith and cornerback Chris Gamble. The punt returner spot has been troublesome for the Panthers in the preseason. Ryne Robinson, who filled the role in 2007, didn't look the same this summer after suffering a knee injury in the '08 training camp and was released. Rookie cornerback Captain Munnerlyn and wide receiver Kenny Moore got looks in the preseason, but both had issues with either dropping punts or fumbling. The Panthers wanted to sign Mark Jones, their '08 kickoff and punt returner, earlier this week after he was released by Tennessee, but he failed a physical due to an injured hamstring. Munnerlyn said after Wednesday's practice that he expected to be the punt returner, but Fox was non-committal. "I prefer somebody in there who can execute the position," he said.

Smith almost certainly is the best candidate on the roster, but using him in that role could be risky because of his value as one of the best wide receivers in the league. Smith sounded willing but not overly enthused about the possibility Thursday. "It's my job to make plays, so whatever opportunities I get with the ball, my objective is to make plays," he said. Smith said he, like all players, prefers to avoid being in a situation that could enhance the chance of an injury. "You've got a chance (of) getting hurt just stepping on the field," he said. "You hope you're not put in a position whether it's catching punts or running the ball or catching the ball or drop-back passing where you're put in a vulnerable position where you could be injured. You try to minimize that when you're on the field as much as possible." Smith returned 133 punts, including four for touchdowns, in his first three seasons (2001-03), but has returned punts only three times for 17 yards in the past two years.
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TENNESSEE

Hentrich shanked what could have been a hugely costly punt late in regulation, and punt returner Cortland Finnegan, a starting cornerback, showed really shaky judgment all night long. He needs to learn how to call a fair catch, or let the ball go. He caught one punt inside his own 10 and promptly muffed it (luckily making the recovery), and he later caught a punt at the Titans 10 and got leveled after thinking he had signaled for the fair catch.
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Don't expect any real information about KC kick returners to emerge from the coach's mouth before the game. Haley's as tight lipped as they come. With that said, I would say Charles, Savage, and Lawrence all have an equal shot at returning kicks/punts.

 
Mike Herman said:
GREEN BAY

CB Will Blackmon’s bruised thigh — courtesy of a well-placed helmet against Buffalo on Aug. 22 — was tested on Thursday. Blackmon said it went well and is optimistic he’ll be able to practice on Friday, but that will depend on how he feels in the morning. Blackmon’s absence would be missed on kick returns. Jordy Nelson was back deep on punts at practice, as was Charles Woodson. Tramon Williams appears to be the No. 1 option on kickoff returns. “Will is an exciting returner,” McCarthy said. “He’s been very productive for us. He’s definitely a weapon. But I’m very comfortable with Jordy. I think Brett Swain has shown some ability there, and Tramon Williams has done it. DeShawn Wynn has also been productive. We’ll just move forward with those individuals.”
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Thanks, Mike. Between this lingering injury and the unexpected Mark Jones (Ten) cut, I'm down to Witherspoon and Carr.
 
Breaston is listed as the no. 1 KR/PR for this week. If Boldin doesn't play, this makes him fantasy gold in return leagues.

 
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The Arizona Republic had a blurb Friday that if Boldin is limited (e.g., Breaston plays more than typical), then Antrel Rolle will return punts, and LaRod Stephens-Howling will return kicks.

 
Going through special teams stats for week 1, came across the Detroit and NO game and was very suprised by the numbers.

Detroit;

PR, Northcutt 2 returns 55 yrds, 27.5 avg

KR, Brown 5 returns 150 Yrds, 36 avg

NO;

PR, Bush 3 returns 11 yrds, 3.7avg

KR, Meachum 6 returns 148 yrds, 24.7 avg

Is Detroits special teams really that good, or are the saints ST really bad?? (24.7 avg for KR is good but PR avg and KR + PR coverage really bad)

 
Charles is a definite pickup right now, unless the Chiefs sign Justin Miller out of the blue or something.

Also, is Hixon not going to be returning any kicks this season? Ware and Nicks each returned one yesterday.

 
Hi All

I am in a new league at work this year, we get 1 pt per 10 yards and 6 for a TD for our WR's. One thing I did not know is that if your WR is returning punts or kick offs we get the same points for yardage and TD's. That being said I don't know how to find who the WR's are to target for trades or off the waiver wire, Who are the ones that are worth trying to aquire, any thoughts here would be great help.

Gary

 
butch350 said:
Hi All I am in a new league at work this year, we get 1 pt per 10 yards and 6 for a TD for our WR's. One thing I did not know is that if your WR is returning punts or kick offs we get the same points for yardage and TD's. That being said I don't know how to find who the WR's are to target for trades or off the waiver wire, Who are the ones that are worth trying to aquire, any thoughts here would be great help. Gary
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Devin Hester, Josh Cribbs, and Robert Meachem are probably some of the top options who are playing significant time as a WR and returning kickoffs and/or punts.
 
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In this format, Josh Cribbs is GOLD, since he'll get 1200+ yards worth of kickoff returns easily. He's the only WR of note returning kickoffs, which means he's the only WR worth rostering strictly for his return ability.

Lots of WRs wind up returning punts, but of those, only Breaston, Hester, and DeSean Jackson are involved enough in their offense in addition to the punt return duties to wind up being quality starters in that scoring system.

 
SSOG said:
In this format, Josh Cribbs is GOLD, since he'll get 1200+ yards worth of kickoff returns easily. He's the only WR of note returning kickoffs, which means he's the only WR worth rostering strictly for his return ability.Lots of WRs wind up returning punts, but of those, only Breaston, Hester, and DeSean Jackson are involved enough in their offense in addition to the punt return duties to wind up being quality starters in that scoring system.
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What about Caldwell? I'm reading some good things about him and Coles doesn't look good right now.
 
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