Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Just had this thought today once I was getting caught up on the news. I posted this in the Philly thread but I'd like to get some other opinions.
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Pure Speculation - Vick to the Raiders? (1 Viewer)
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Please See Mine
Footballguy
who do you see as the Eagles' backup QB then?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Yes.
I think Ron Mexico could easily outperform the rubbish bin QBs
currently littering the Oakland Raider roster.
Russell
Gradkowski
Frye
Boller
I think Ron Mexico could easily outperform the rubbish bin QBs
currently littering the Oakland Raider roster.
Russell
Gradkowski
Frye
Boller
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Garcia
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
2010 late round draft pick
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised regarding Vick, but I'm saying Vick for Morrison straight up.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Where would Morrison play? Outside. Bradley looked awesome in the playoffs vs Minnesota (2009). Is his recovery not going well?
Suffice it to say, I think Vick is more valuable to Philly than Morrison.
Suffice it to say, I think Vick is more valuable to Philly than Morrison.
Why is Vick more valuable?If the choice is Vick + FA LB or Garcia + Kirk Morrison, would you still think Philly would want Vick?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Who would backup Kolb then?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Garcia, Bulger or a draft pick. Even a possible veteran that gets cut over the summer.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The answer is obviously Yes. Garcia is a free agent. If they preferred Garcia they could sign him at any time. Many Raider fans think that Morrison is over-rated. I am questioning if he will start over Stewat Bradley and I think the anwser is no if Bradley is healthy.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
If the Eagles are desperate for LBs, why did they cut Will Witherspoon?
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
They could even trade a pick for Rosenfels...he would fit in nicely. Especially if the Vikes take a QB.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
There's a difference between being desperate for a LB and having the ability to get a Top 15 LB for the past 4 years for a 4th/5th.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Just another body to bring onto camp.There will be multiple cuts at the QB position by the time roster cut down rolls around.
Sup_Yo
Footballguy
As a Ricky Brown owner, I'd sure like to see it happen too.As a Kolb owner, I'd sure like to see it happen.
The thought process is there, but I think the Boller signing nulifies it from happening. I assume the Boller pick up was to cover Gradkowski, who is out with a pectoral tear. That leaves Oakland with JaMarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, Charlie Frye and a recovering Bruce Gradkowski. If they added Vick, they would have five QBs. I don't even think Al Davis would want that.
Is this the consensus? From what I've read, Raiders fans think the guy is not that great..
cstu
Footballguy
All fodder and they still need a real QB. I think they should go after Rosenfels.
az_prof
Footballguy
It's been hard to predict the Raiders in recent year, but....Tom Cable MUST win this year or he is toast. So, I doubt he wants to go to camp with Russell and a handful of peanuts like Boller. The injury to Gradowski makes a move more imperative. I don't think anyone really thinks Boller is the answer. Boller is a good backup but that's it.So, who will the Raiders pursue?Vick?Roethlisberger?Jason Cambell?It seems like the market for Vick is pretty weak. I doubt Roethlisberger is really on the market--most of that talk I suspect is just for publicity since the team needs to put up a good show of being outraged. But will they really trade a franchise QB at the height of his productivity? Maybe if they could get the Raiders first but I doubt it.Most likely seems Campbell. He is a good stop gap QB who can help them win 9 and maybe slip into the playoffs if all the other pieces fall into place just right.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Mekes sense for both squads. I think Philly can find a better fit as backup off the street (Garcia/Bulger as mentioned].
I think Vick makes sense for Buffalo and Gailey if they just choose to try to pound the ball 40 times/game to win [probably their only shot].
I see them dealing Vick for a 4-6 Round pick on draft day.
I think Vick makes sense for Buffalo and Gailey if they just choose to try to pound the ball 40 times/game to win [probably their only shot].
I see them dealing Vick for a 4-6 Round pick on draft day.
With Philly having 5 of the first 87 picks, and then some, they won't be dealing Vick for another late pick, unless it's a bump in position perhaps?
I think Al is crazy enough to pull off a deal and stash 5qbs, and deal Morrisson, especially if they are eyeing Mcclain at the 8 spot
I think Al is crazy enough to pull off a deal and stash 5qbs, and deal Morrisson, especially if they are eyeing Mcclain at the 8 spot
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Why do you think he's a top-15 LB? Because that's where he finishes in fantasy points? Morrison is just a guy. I'd be hard-pressed to rank him in the top 30 LBs, maybe even top 40.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It would definitely make the game more interesting, that's for sure. I think he'd be a perfect fit in Cleveland.
DAWG POUND!
DAWG POUND!
az_prof
Footballguy
The Eagles messed up by demanding too much for Vick. He isn't worth more than a fifth rounder or fourth at most.
massraider
Footballguy
Which Vick does anyone think these people are getting?
The kid that ran circles around everyone years ago, or the man that ain't as fast as he used to be, and could never pass the ball very well?
If a team trades for Vick, one would assume it is to start, or compete for the job. I'm not seeing that happening.
The kid that ran circles around everyone years ago, or the man that ain't as fast as he used to be, and could never pass the ball very well?
If a team trades for Vick, one would assume it is to start, or compete for the job. I'm not seeing that happening.
az_prof
Footballguy
I suspect that he can be the kind of QB he was before. He is only 30--I doubt his speed is gone. Do WRs lose their speed when they turn 30? He wasn't really given much of a chance to show what he can do last season so I think the claims that he "ain't as fast as he used to be" are way over stated. As for never being able to pass very well, I can't disagree. He was an average passer. He has a career completion percentage of 53.7 and a career QB rating of 75. He has more passing TDs than INTs. And he has a strong arm and can gun the ball deep to Murphy and Schillens. The thing is that his scrambling ability set up opportunities for other RBs and for the WRs and made it hard to defend his offense.
massraider
Footballguy
Just going by what I saw. He didn't look as fast. Do WRs lose their speed at 30? Yeah, I think some do, or at least slow down anyway. And a year in the pokey can't be good for maintaining speed, either. And if he has slowed down a little, it'll be that much easier for DEs to grab him and break his leg. Again. You can't survive in the NFL scrambling like that. In the NFL, they catch you. I think any Vick trade looks a lot better for the Philly side, and the arguments seem to center on convincing other teams' fans that he's just what they need. I notice I ain't hearing an outcry from Philly fans that they can't let this guy go.
We already have a QB that can't put the ball in a spot. Don't really need another.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Vick would be a big upgrade over what they currently have. While Vick was never a conventional qb, he did have a winning record. It wasn't pretty but he got the job done.
Of course if Oakland is going to trade for any qb they should be sniffing around the Steelers and Big Ben. He's a scumbag but he's one of the better qb's in the league and he's still fairly young.
Of course if Oakland is going to trade for any qb they should be sniffing around the Steelers and Big Ben. He's a scumbag but he's one of the better qb's in the league and he's still fairly young.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Agreed
CalBear
Footballguy
Among QBs with at least 500 attempts since 2002, Vick's 54.3% completion rating ranks 69th out of 73--not anywhere near "average." (Actual average for this population is 60.7%; median is 59.9%).For what it's worth, two of the four guys behind him are Gradkowski and Russell. This move would make great sense if Al were trying to corner the market on guys who can't complete passes. He's also have to pick up Derek Anderson and Rex Grossman.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Rumors, reports, and inuendos from "sources" have every felon or suspected felon going to the Raiders. But the Raiders are bringing in high character people, and not touching questionable types. That's why they didn't draft Crabtree last year. Wouldn't be shocked to see the Raiders draft Tebow, because of this very reason.
What talent does Vick bring to the Raiders? Does he fit their scheme? This discussion is pointless. At least have an informed opinion of the Raiders before suggesting that the Raiders would pick up foul ethic players like Vick or Roethlisberger. That's why Dez Bryant is also off thier draft board.
What talent does Vick bring to the Raiders? Does he fit their scheme? This discussion is pointless. At least have an informed opinion of the Raiders before suggesting that the Raiders would pick up foul ethic players like Vick or Roethlisberger. That's why Dez Bryant is also off thier draft board.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Russel and McFadden weren't clean characters and I think they didn't draft Crabtree because of his 40 time, or lack of it.
