QB Andy Dalton, CAR (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

Shocker that he didn't have a good game...couldn't see this coming. He should give AJ Green half of his ridiculous salary.

 

[lod01]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

So give me a list of available QBs you would insert in his place.

 

[Raider Nation]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

So give me a list of available QBs you would insert in his place.

Any one of Ohio State's 3 QBs.

 

[lod01]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

 

[lod01]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

So give me a list of available QBs you would insert in his place.

Any one of Ohio State's 3 QBs.

They have shown nothing to back up that statement. Playground QBing doesn't work in the NFL.

 

[Raider Nation]

It was a joke.

Mostly.

 

[lod01]

It was a joke.

Mostly.

Miller is garbage. I'll give the big new guy a chance but he's a couple years a way. He hasn't shown NFL skills yet bet he has time to develop.

We all know Dalton isn't an elite QB and can't carry a team but they are stuck with him. It's the way the NFL is. Look at Denver. Had they not hit the Manning sweepstakes they would be a bottom feeding team after letting Cutler walk.

 

[cvnpoka]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

 

[Louche]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

Why do you have to get rid of Dalton if you draft a new QB? He's only going to cost $9.6m next year with no cap savings if cut. You can still keep him and give him a second year in Hue's offense, AND at the same time invest a higher draft pick on a QB. Even DEN and NEP have spent high draft picks on QBs even though they have starting QBs.

Sure, if Dalton plays badly there will be QB controversy and pressure for the rookie to play, but if Dalton is still playing that badly why not make the switch? If Dalton doesn't improve over his play this year he's not the answer so you might as well just hit the reset button. That is if you want to have a shot at creating a great team and not just a good team.

Dalton can be cut after '15 with $7.2m in dead money and $5.9m in cap savings. After '16 he can be cut with $4.2m in dead money and $10.9m in cap savings. If he doesn't improve he's going to be cut over the next few years anyways as he gets increasingly more expensive to keep on the roster.

 

[Louche]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

College QBs are much more pro-ready today. They don't necessarily have to sit for years to develop.

 

[flapgreen]

Should take "deep" out of the title.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Don't get me wrong he stinks but nobody's gonna look good throwing to Sanu, Burkhead, Hewitt and Tate.

 

[cvnpoka]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

College QBs are much more pro-ready today. They don't necessarily have to sit for years to develop.

not saying he needs to sit. just that it takes a few years to develop and become successful. i mean, look at bridgewater this year. he wasnt better than dalton, and he likely wont be next year either.

 

[cheese]

His top three or four targets are out and it's his fault....geesh

Is Sanu chopped liver? He still had a good running game.

Think Brady would have let that stop him?

Sanu is pretty bad, yes. And I don't think people disagree that Brady is better.

 

[Louche]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

College QBs are much more pro-ready today. They don't necessarily have to sit for years to develop.

not saying he needs to sit. just that it takes a few years to develop and become successful. i mean, look at bridgewater this year. he wasnt better than dalton, and he likely wont be next year either.

PFF disagrees. They have Teddy at 15 and Dalton at 21. And Teddy hasn't had a better supporting cast. Bengals have had a stronger o-line and RBs, and arguably at TE and WR for most of the season.

But the problem is that Dalton is regressing in year four. They're turning him into a game manager but he's still turning the ball over and he's not making big plays any longer. He was supposed to take the next step and prove himself but has he improved in any area?

The Bengals didn't structure that contract to have an average NFL QB. It's a prove it type of contract with only two years guaranteed. Average doesn't take them where they want to go.

 

[Louche]

His top three or four targets are out and it's his fault....geesh

Is Sanu chopped liver? He still had a good running game.

Think Brady would have let that stop him?

Sanu is pretty bad, yes. And I don't think people disagree that Brady is better.

The problem with Sanu is that he can't beat man coverage and everyone knows it. Combined with his horrible drop rate that makes him very ineffective.

 

[Bri]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

Your team was the joke of the NFL before he got there

 

[lod01]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

College QBs are much more pro-ready today. They don't necessarily have to sit for years to develop.

I don't see it. It's playground football in college, more than ever. They are far from ready for the most part. There are (maybe) only a handful of teams running pro style offenses with anything remotely resembling an NFL ready QB.

Sure the Bengals can draft a QB but if they do it in the 1st, everyone screams for the backup and soon it's QB controversy and a disaster.

 

[lod01]

not saying he needs to sit. just that it takes a few years to develop and become successful. i mean, look at bridgewater this year. he wasnt better than dalton, and he likely wont be next year either.

I think Bridgewater could take a nice leap next year. Training in offseason with B. Marshall and Charles Johnson and Norv is a QB guru.

 

[Bri]

His top three or four targets are out and it's his fault....geesh

Is Sanu chopped liver? He still had a good running game.

Think Brady would have let that stop him?

Sanu is pretty bad, yes. And I don't think people disagree that Brady is better.

I don't think Brady could beat Luck if he didn't have Edelman, Gronk, Amendola, and LaFell and I do think Brady is awesome

 

[cvnpoka]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

College QBs are much more pro-ready today. They don't necessarily have to sit for years to develop.

not saying he needs to sit. just that it takes a few years to develop and become successful. i mean, look at bridgewater this year. he wasnt better than dalton, and he likely wont be next year either.

PFF disagrees. They have Teddy at 15 and Dalton at 21. And Teddy hasn't had a better supporting cast. Bengals have had a stronger o-line and RBs, and arguably at TE and WR for most of the season.

But the problem is that Dalton is regressing in year four. They're turning him into a game manager but he's still turning the ball over and he's not making big plays any longer. He was supposed to take the next step and prove himself but has he improved in any area?

The Bengals didn't structure that contract to have an average NFL QB. It's a prove it type of contract with only two years guaranteed. Average doesn't take them where they want to go.

lol pff

 

[Bri]

hoping the bengals sign jake locker to help with your perspective

 

[Tool]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

Your team was the joke of the NFL before he got there

Causation is not the same as correlation.

 

[Louche]

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

I think the idea of QB purgatory is not all that relevant any longer. These last couple of years every QB prospect is compared to Luck and it very well might cause QBs to slide in the draft like we saw with Teddy. CIN passed on both Teddy and Carr. Who is to say that there can't be a QB in the end of the 1st this year that can develop into something better than Dalton. But if you pass on the QBs in the first two rounds you're not going to find him.

CIN really didn't have anything to do in the playoffs this year with so many players injured. I'm not going to blame this on Dalton or the playoff ghost, there was just too many injuries to mount any sort of Super Bowl run. That being said the CIN coaches have castrated Dalton. We've seen it all year. And when you limit a QB to that extent you've already lost. By limiting what the QB is allowed to do in that way you are limiting the offense and it's not a situation that can continue. You can't play scared.

So basically get rid of Dalton and try and guess which QB, if any in the 1st RD of the NFL draft, will make a better than average starting QB. GL with that strategy. You can't just draft a QB in the 1st with a guy on the payroll as your 'franchise' QB and insert him as your new starting QB.

and even if you guess right, its gonna take a few years for him to develop and surpass dalton. not a good plan when this team is in its prime now.

College QBs are much more pro-ready today. They don't necessarily have to sit for years to develop.

not saying he needs to sit. just that it takes a few years to develop and become successful. i mean, look at bridgewater this year. he wasnt better than dalton, and he likely wont be next year either.

PFF disagrees. They have Teddy at 15 and Dalton at 21. And Teddy hasn't had a better supporting cast. Bengals have had a stronger o-line and RBs, and arguably at TE and WR for most of the season.

But the problem is that Dalton is regressing in year four. They're turning him into a game manager but he's still turning the ball over and he's not making big plays any longer. He was supposed to take the next step and prove himself but has he improved in any area?

The Bengals didn't structure that contract to have an average NFL QB. It's a prove it type of contract with only two years guaranteed. Average doesn't take them where they want to go.

lol pff

Laugh all you want but if nothing else it should tell you that the level of play between Dalton and Bridgewater was at the very least close this season. Have you watched any of Bridgewater's games in the last couple of months? Been studying All-22? What is it with Dalton's play this year that you would like to highlight? Which games and plays would you like to focus on to show how much better he is?

I've watched every snap of Dalton's career and he has some areas he excels in but in my opinion they've been playing away from his strengths this year and they still haven't been able to hide his weaknesses.

 

[MAC_32]

the level of play between Dalton and Bridgewater was at the very least close this season.

Isolating this point.

Bridgewater is a rookie that didn't open the season as the starter.

Dalton is in year 4 and is being paid 10x more than he is.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Are there really people still defending Dalton? This cat has had one of the consistently best OLines in the game for the past four years, a top 5 receiver, a sufficient running game, a good defense, and he hasn't won a playoff game and his numbers have been awful in those games. Guys saying it's not his fault because he was missing his weapons, a lot of guys get it done without that level of weaponry to begin with. The dude is a below average quarterback, plain and simple, and short of the defense having a record setting season, this team will never go anywhere with him at QB.

 

[iamkoza]

i'm not a fan of cinci, but as a football fan it is frustrating to watch Dalton. It doesn't appear that he does or makes any particular throw very well. He seems to be inaccurate and lacks arm strength.

Yesterday he had no useful weapons in the passing game which only magnified his deficiencies. At least Cinci can get out from the Dalton contract financially unlike what my team the bears did with their mediocre TO prone QB.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Yesterday he had no useful weapons in the passing game which only magnified his deficiencies. At least Cinci can get out from the Dalton contract financially unlike what my team the bears did with their mediocre TO prone QB.

They won't though, at least not any time soon. They'll ride him out for as long as they can and get as many 10-6 seasons out of him as they can. 10-6 seasons keep fans coming to the games, and that's what ownership cares about.

 

[cheese]

I'm fine with another QB. Here's my biggest concern. The Bengals have been winning several years in a row now with a questionable roster plus injuries plus BLAH QB play. What is the secret sauce? Is Dalton being a winner really a thing? Is Lewis really good? Dumb luck? Coordinators? Until I feel comfortable with that answer I'm a little wary of messing with our house of cards too much.

 

[Banger]

i'm not a fan of cinci, but as a football fan it is frustrating to watch Dalton. It doesn't appear that he does or makes any particular throw very well. He seems to be inaccurate and lacks arm strength.

Yesterday he had no useful weapons in the passing game which only magnified his deficiencies. At least Cinci can get out from the Dalton contract financially unlike what my team the bears did with their mediocre TO prone QB.

captain check down...lots of little 5 yard passes and screens followed by 40 yard bombs that have no hopes of being completed without AJ to bail him out.

They dumbed down the offense for him and largely took the ball from him but got the same result...now what?

 

[Banger]

I'm fine with another QB. Here's my biggest concern. The Bengals have been winning several years in a row now with a questionable roster plus injuries plus BLAH QB play. What is the secret sauce? Is Dalton being a winner really a thing? Is Lewis really good? Dumb luck? Coordinators? Until I feel comfortable with that answer I'm a little wary of messing with our house of cards too much.

not sure I agree with the questionable roster part...besides QB what's questionable? they've had a stout defense, good line, good wr's, good rb's.

 

[cheese]

I'm fine with another QB. Here's my biggest concern. The Bengals have been winning several years in a row now with a questionable roster plus injuries plus BLAH QB play. What is the secret sauce? Is Dalton being a winner really a thing? Is Lewis really good? Dumb luck? Coordinators? Until I feel comfortable with that answer I'm a little wary of messing with our house of cards too much.

not sure I agree with the questionable roster part...besides QB what's questionable? they've had a stout defense, good line, good wr's, good rb's.

They've done a great job building the defense and getting production out of it. I guess what I'm getting at is the only 2 non-special teamers sniffing all pro both missed a ton of time. We don't have many individual standouts and the ones we have keep getting hurt and we keep winning. No doubt the whole is better than the sum of the parts right now.

 

[Banger]

They've tried their best to minimize his involvement in the offense but you can't hide a qb in the playoffs unless you have a ridiculous running game and defense (which they don't). So what's the aftermath going to be when they exit yet again in the first round? "It's a team game and we win and lose as a team. We all have to better, Andy included."

"I thought Andy played a good football game, so I don't know what kind of criticism will be on the quarterback here," said head coach Marvin Lewis. "He's going to be disappointed because we didn't win, but I think he did a good job at doing his part today, and that's all we can ask of the guys. You're not going to make any super human plays."

super human? how about average....18-35 for 155 is a good game? 51% completion and 3.48 ypa? ok....

 

[cheese]

Right, but do you expect him to say "we have the worst QB in the playoffs and the worst weapons in the playoffs, we didn't expect to pass"

 

[Banger]

Right, but do you expect him to say "we have the worst QB in the playoffs and the worst weapons in the playoffs, we didn't expect to pass"

I expected essentially what he said. Keep coddling him and trying to pump up his fragile confidence. Rinse repeat.

and technically Lindley was worse

 

[Louche]

Dalton isn't a lousy QB. He's not horrible. He's fine. He is what he is. An average NFL QB with strengths and weaknesses. But the problem is that we have an increasingly large sample size showing that what Dalton is doesn't cut it in order to have success in the playoffs.

Sure, if the goal is to simply stay a contender for the division title and have a team that most seasons will sneak into the playoffs with a 1 in 30 shot of winning the SB then Dalton can be that guy. And I'm sure many fans would be content with that. But if you want to get better than that you'll need a QB that can make plays and be aggressive in those high pressure games.

As for the win now discussion...I'd say that to be locked into a win now situation your team either have key players closing in on the end of their careers or a cap situation with a short expiry date before you have to blow the team up.

CIN doesn't have either. The only position group that is aging is the secondary, but even there they've invested a lot of draft picks. And their cap situation is one of the more healthy in the league since they never spend money in free agency and have been making tough decisions on their own players - like letting Michael Johnson go. They're not in a situation where they have to throw all the chips in at this point and milk the Dalton age for what it's worth. Even if you believe that I'm afraid that the win now moment has already come and gone now that the defense is no longer what it was.

 

[voiceofunreason]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

So give me a list of available QBs you would insert in his place.

If I owned a team I'm playing for a super bowl. Andy Dalton = no chance to win one, so I'd play a kicker at qb and get the 1.01 if I had to. I'm not focusing just on this latest loss, he's always awful in nationally televised games for a number of years. It's not arm strength, he's the worst choker I've seen. He can't take the pressure of the spotlight and it's been too many years to think it'll get better.

If your goal is to beat the teams you should and make the playoffs with an excellent roster, I suppose he's better than Jason Campbell. If your goal is to win playoff games, I'll take my chances with Campbell.

 

[cvnpoka]

the level of play between Dalton and Bridgewater was at the very least close this season.

Isolating this point.

Bridgewater is a rookie that didn't open the season as the starter.

Dalton is in year 4 and is being paid 10x more than he is.

i mean, thats the point. bridgewater is a promising young player that has shown some ability. and hes still not better dalton and likely wont be for another year. it takes at least a few years for almost all qbs to develop. combine that with the very high probability that a new qb will just fail, and it makes looking to repace dalton a super risky proposition.

 

[Faust]

Bengals' Lewis on Dalton: 'I am glad he is on our team'

 

[Bri]

So what happens if the do something like trade Dalton to some team like Buffalo. You know what? They become a bottom feeder because then they don't have an NFL QB. They become Cleveland or Tennessee or the Jets or.....Buffalo. <---- everyone of those teams would love to have Dalton.

The fact is Dalton is better than anything they can replace him with. It's the way the NFL is now. There are not replacements for starting QBs.

People can ##### all they want but that is the fact.

You highly overestimate Dalton. They win because the rest of the roster is super bowl caliber. And even if they lost, they'd have a chance to draft a qb. They have zero chance to win in the playoffs with him. Blows me away that people still make excuses for him. We aren't talking about Marino never winning a super bowl, it's a bad qb playing on a great team who can't play well in one important game in his career.

Your team was the joke of the NFL before he got there

Causation is not the same as correlation.

losing can become habit too

I loved Marvin as a HC candidate but a few years in I thought he had to go and they stuck with him and it all worked out

Things are changed there and he's a significant part of the change. Coach, QB...whomever ya give credit to, however you spread it out, Dalton gets some.

 

[Bri]

Dalton isn't a lousy QB. He's not horrible. He's fine. He is what he is. An average NFL QB with strengths and weaknesses. But the problem is that we have an increasingly large sample size showing that what Dalton is doesn't cut it in order to have success in the playoffs.

Not this year, not on him. He didn't have his four best passing options.

Their plan was to go with what they had and be a power O team. It worked some in the first half, but that's very difficult against high scoring teams. There needs to be real long time consuming drives that end in scores. Marvin had little choice but to try and take a page from Bill Parcells book there. It wasn't happening though and despite an impressive rookie year, Hill wasn't much in the second half. 10-11 yards.

I guess the blame goes on the Bengals GM-not that I like this notion. Theoretically he should have had what? quality 4th and 5th receivers? Sometimes it's just too much depth to ask for an injuries define a season. I think that's the case here.

Years ago, I'd swear the Bengals lost all 11 starters on D. This type of bad luck isn't new to them but...move on to next season. They showed ALOT this year and if the right players are added (and stay healthy) I think they could make a push toward the Supe next year.

 

[Louche]

Dalton isn't a lousy QB. He's not horrible. He's fine. He is what he is. An average NFL QB with strengths and weaknesses. But the problem is that we have an increasingly large sample size showing that what Dalton is doesn't cut it in order to have success in the playoffs.

Not this year, not on him. He didn't have his four best passing options.Their plan was to go with what they had and be a power O team. It worked some in the first half, but that's very difficult against high scoring teams. There needs to be real long time consuming drives that end in scores. Marvin had little choice but to try and take a page from Bill Parcells book there. It wasn't happening though and despite an impressive rookie year, Hill wasn't much in the second half. 10-11 yards.

I guess the blame goes on the Bengals GM-not that I like this notion. Theoretically he should have had what? quality 4th and 5th receivers? Sometimes it's just too much depth to ask for an injuries define a season. I think that's the case here.

Years ago, I'd swear the Bengals lost all 11 starters on D. This type of bad luck isn't new to them but...move on to next season. They showed ALOT this year and if the right players are added (and stay healthy) I think they could make a push toward the Supe next year.

I know. There's always excuses to be made. And the Bengals had a ton of injuries. But it's not just this game. It's been four years. How many chances is enough? Dalton has had what this season? One great game (vs NOS)?

"I think anyone who's around this locker room knows that its tremendous," Whitworth said. "The group of guys, the way they work and all those things is tremendous. I think that there's nothing wrong with the character of this football team. In the big moments, our guys that are the big guys have to make the plays. You see it every week. If you look at the teams that win, their top guys make the plays to get them where they've got to go. It'll be no different here. When we get in big situations, our big players have to make huge plays." - Whitworth after Sunday's game

It's not enough in big games to play conservatively and avoid turnovers. You have to make plays. Regardless of the weapons you have. It's easy to avoid turnovers when you get gun shy and make dump off passes to Gio on third and long, and that might save you from being slaughtered by the media, but then you're not even trying to come up with big plays to keep the drive going.

Like Geoff Hobson said; Andy Dalton needs weapons. Andrew Luck is the weapon.

If the Bengals want to be great they have to risk getting worse.

 

[Raider Nation]

Bengals' Lewis on Dalton: 'I am glad he is on our team'

As are the other 31 teams.

 

[MAC_32]

the level of play between Dalton and Bridgewater was at the very least close this season.

Isolating this point.Bridgewater is a rookie that didn't open the season as the starter.

Dalton is in year 4 and is being paid 10x more than he is.

i mean, thats the point. bridgewater is a promising young player that has shown some ability. and hes still not better dalton and likely wont be for another year. it takes at least a few years for almost all qbs to develop. combine that with the very high probability that a new qb will just fail, and it makes looking to repace dalton a super risky proposition.

4 cheap years of Bridgewater plus however many starters you sign with Dalton's money >>>>>>>>> Dalton

 

[Banger]

I guess the "improvement" this year was that he didn't go down in flames with 3 picks....he just went out without a fight and kept checking down until the final buzzer. Didn't get in trouble but didn't come close to giving his team a chance to win.

Btw. Where are all the stat guys that were saying how historically great he is among qb's after 3 years? Sometimes you need to not look at he stats and watch the player play.

 

[Louche]

I guess the "improvement" this year was that he didn't go down in flames with 3 picks....he just went out without a fight and kept checking down until the final buzzer. Didn't get in trouble but didn't come close to giving his team a chance to win.

Btw. Where are all the stat guys that were saying how historically great he is among qb's after 3 years? Sometimes you need to not look at he stats and watch the player play.

The stats don't lie. He's done plenty good in his years at CIN and I was one of his supporters - but that support was dependent on him continuing to improve which he hasn't done this year. He'll get one more year regardless and maybe he will bounce back and be an even better player than he was in year three. But CIN is being matched up with the AFC West and NFC West next season so it's going to be a tough challenge for him.

Brennen Warner wrote yesterday that Dalton is a four legged chair that needs four things:

1. Clean pocket.

2. Open receivers.

3. Good running game.

4. Good Andy.

If he has all this he can produce like a top 10 QB. But this is the NFL,the conditions are not going to be perfect as you enter the playoffs. Maybe next year he'll have most of his weapons but Whitworth goes down mid season.

Dalton is one of the worst QBs in the league when blitzed and has been blessed with working behind one of the best offensive lines in football for his entire tenure. If they lose next year because of intense pressure then I guess that can be the excuse next year. It's not Andy's fault as they couldn't protect him...

 

[Banger]

I guess the "improvement" this year was that he didn't go down in flames with 3 picks....he just went out without a fight and kept checking down until the final buzzer. Didn't get in trouble but didn't come close to giving his team a chance to win.

Btw. Where are all the stat guys that were saying how historically great he is among qb's after 3 years? Sometimes you need to not look at he stats and watch the player play.

The stats don't lie. He's done plenty good in his years at CIN and I was one of his supporters - but that support was dependent on him continuing to improve which he hasn't done this year. He'll get one more year regardless and maybe he will bounce back and be an even better player than he was in year three. But CIN is being matched up with the AFC West and NFC West next season so it's going to be a tough challenge for him.

Brennen Warner wrote yesterday that Dalton is a four legged chair that needs four things:

1. Clean pocket.

2. Open receivers.

3. Good running game.

4. Good Andy.

If he has all this he can produce like a top 10 QB. But this is the NFL,the conditions are not going to be perfect as you enter the playoffs. Maybe next year he'll have most of his weapons but Whitworth goes down mid season.

Dalton is one of the worst QBs in the league when blitzed and has been blessed with working behind one of the best offensive lines in football for his entire tenure. If they lose next year because of intense pressure then I guess that can be the excuse next year. It's not Andy's fault as they couldn't protect him...

Completely agree...if everything is going right he can be a very good QB but once things start to break down and adversity strikes he can't handle it well and the wheels come off the tracks.

 

[Bri]

Dalton isn't a lousy QB. He's not horrible. He's fine. He is what he is. An average NFL QB with strengths and weaknesses. But the problem is that we have an increasingly large sample size showing that what Dalton is doesn't cut it in order to have success in the playoffs.

Not this year, not on him. He didn't have his four best passing options.Their plan was to go with what they had and be a power O team. It worked some in the first half, but that's very difficult against high scoring teams. There needs to be real long time consuming drives that end in scores. Marvin had little choice but to try and take a page from Bill Parcells book there. It wasn't happening though and despite an impressive rookie year, Hill wasn't much in the second half. 10-11 yards.

I guess the blame goes on the Bengals GM-not that I like this notion. Theoretically he should have had what? quality 4th and 5th receivers? Sometimes it's just too much depth to ask for an injuries define a season. I think that's the case here.

Years ago, I'd swear the Bengals lost all 11 starters on D. This type of bad luck isn't new to them but...move on to next season. They showed ALOT this year and if the right players are added (and stay healthy) I think they could make a push toward the Supe next year.

I know. There's always excuses to be made. And the Bengals had a ton of injuries. But it's not just this game. It's been four years. How many chances is enough? Dalton has had what this season? One great game (vs NOS)?

"I think anyone who's around this locker room knows that its tremendous," Whitworth said. "The group of guys, the way they work and all those things is tremendous. I think that there's nothing wrong with the character of this football team. In the big moments, our guys that are the big guys have to make the plays. You see it every week. If you look at the teams that win, their top guys make the plays to get them where they've got to go. It'll be no different here. When we get in big situations, our big players have to make huge plays." - Whitworth after Sunday's game

It's not enough in big games to play conservatively and avoid turnovers. You have to make plays. Regardless of the weapons you have. It's easy to avoid turnovers when you get gun shy and make dump off passes to Gio on third and long, and that might save you from being slaughtered by the media, but then you're not even trying to come up with big plays to keep the drive going.

Like Geoff Hobson said; Andy Dalton needs weapons. Andrew Luck is the weapon.

If the Bengals want to be great they have to risk getting worse.

Andrew Luck (Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, ....) those guys are weapons, but they're not the only types that win super bowls. I've loved high flying QBs since Marino was a rook, but they don't often win it all. Rypien, Simms, Dilfer...there's plenty of QBs that have got it done that weren't weapons. I don't think Dalton was ever intended to be a 4-5000 yard passer type.

When they had all their WRs healthy, they spoke of a two TE offense and I think their plan has always been more controlled O than exciting high scoring type.

The dump offs to Gio were surely getting the ball into your playmaker's hands. People always complain about it when teams lose but when they win, that's a good move. RB screens aren't going to cut it, no doubt, but their WR and TE play was bad. I didn't see this guy and that guy open and Dalton kept missing them. It seemed more like no one could get open and yet the line was holding up well and....faaa dump the ball off.

The Jets and Rams, 10? years ago, put their RBs at WR when they had WR issues. I've never understood why this didn't become the norm. Did Richie Anderson, Curtis Martin, and Marshall Faulk look odd at WR? Sure but it was better than what they had. I'd have lined Gio out wide and once Hill showed he wasn't going to get it done-him too.

It's brutal to end a season with those injuries controlling the outcome. I feel for Bengals fans that have waited so long

 

[Banger]

Dalton isn't a lousy QB. He's not horrible. He's fine. He is what he is. An average NFL QB with strengths and weaknesses. But the problem is that we have an increasingly large sample size showing that what Dalton is doesn't cut it in order to have success in the playoffs.

Not this year, not on him. He didn't have his four best passing options.Their plan was to go with what they had and be a power O team. It worked some in the first half, but that's very difficult against high scoring teams. There needs to be real long time consuming drives that end in scores. Marvin had little choice but to try and take a page from Bill Parcells book there. It wasn't happening though and despite an impressive rookie year, Hill wasn't much in the second half. 10-11 yards.

I guess the blame goes on the Bengals GM-not that I like this notion. Theoretically he should have had what? quality 4th and 5th receivers? Sometimes it's just too much depth to ask for an injuries define a season. I think that's the case here.

Years ago, I'd swear the Bengals lost all 11 starters on D. This type of bad luck isn't new to them but...move on to next season. They showed ALOT this year and if the right players are added (and stay healthy) I think they could make a push toward the Supe next year.

I know. There's always excuses to be made. And the Bengals had a ton of injuries. But it's not just this game. It's been four years. How many chances is enough? Dalton has had what this season? One great game (vs NOS)?

"I think anyone who's around this locker room knows that its tremendous," Whitworth said. "The group of guys, the way they work and all those things is tremendous. I think that there's nothing wrong with the character of this football team. In the big moments, our guys that are the big guys have to make the plays. You see it every week. If you look at the teams that win, their top guys make the plays to get them where they've got to go. It'll be no different here. When we get in big situations, our big players have to make huge plays." - Whitworth after Sunday's game

It's not enough in big games to play conservatively and avoid turnovers. You have to make plays. Regardless of the weapons you have. It's easy to avoid turnovers when you get gun shy and make dump off passes to Gio on third and long, and that might save you from being slaughtered by the media, but then you're not even trying to come up with big plays to keep the drive going.

Like Geoff Hobson said; Andy Dalton needs weapons. Andrew Luck is the weapon.

If the Bengals want to be great they have to risk getting worse.

wow, Whitworth with a strong statement but he's 100% right and that's been my contention about Dalton all along...you can't always hide a guy and the situation isn't always going to be perfect, especially when playing good teams in the playoffs. The Bengals are stuck though and will ride along with him for a couple more years...problem is that their window may end up shutting around the same time and they'll likely miss their opportunity.

Dalton is a slightly better version of Mark Sanchez.

 

[Faust]

Andy Dalton not expected to face competition at QB