Which means the start of the regular season with no practice time. Hopefully he’ll be as good as new, but there will be some rust in early ‘18.9 months recovery
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 4m4 minutes agoHate to be Debbie Downer but "concerned he tore ACL" generally means "we know he did but won't officially announce it until after the MRI tomorrow".
hmmmmIan Rapoport @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
The #Eagles believe QB Carson Wentz injured his ACL today vs #Rams, but initial tests don’t definitively show a complete tear, sources say. MRI tomorrow will tell the story. They’re not giving up hope.
Put a brace on it, don't run, just pass and let's go eat some W's!!!!!!!Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
The #Eagles believe QB Carson Wentz injured his ACL today vs #Rams, but initial tests don’t definitively show a complete tear, sources say. MRI tomorrow will tell the story. They’re not giving up hope.
Isn't this what happened to Tannehill last year? If so, not an encouraging precedent.Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
The #Eagles believe QB Carson Wentz injured his ACL today vs #Rams, but initial tests don’t definitively show a complete tear, sources say. MRI tomorrow will tell the story. They’re not giving up hope.
Remind me the outcome there?Isn't this what happened to Tannehill last year?
Got hurt around the same point in the season. They didn't rule him out for the season, but he never came back. This preseason he reinjured it and ended up needing surgery.Remind me the outcome there?
I hope Wentz doesn't pull a gutsy decision like Philip Rivers did during 2008 AFC Championship game vs. Patriots.Put a brace on it, don't run, just pass and let's go eat some W's!!!!!!!
I wonder.I hope Wentz doesn't pull a gutsy decision like Philip Rivers did during 2008 AFC Championship game vs. Patriots.
Dr. Jene weighed in on this:I hope Wentz doesn't pull a gutsy decision like Philip Rivers did during 2008 AFC Championship game vs. Patriots.
Eagles have three more regular season games, plus three potential playoff games. Hard to imagine risking your franchise QB over that long a timeframe.Rivers: Strong stabilizing muscles surrounding knee, brace to provide some support, willingness to risk further injury, game-to-game scenario all likely contributing factors. Highly unlikely Wentz would risk playing multiple weeks w/ unstable knee.
He should be ready by the start of next season, assuming it is a full tear and he's done. He's a QB, not a RB, and recovery time for RB's and WR's is 9 months nowadays. He'll miss most of camp thoughI thought the bounce back time was alot quicker, what are we reasonably looking at? If you got him at good value you probably still keep don't you think?
Plenty of people have played without an ACL, some for their entire careers.Got hurt around the same point in the season. They didn't rule him out for the season, but he never came back. This preseason he reinjured it and ended up needing surgery.
The other partial ACL tear I remember was Breshad Perriman at the beginning of last year (or was it 2015?) I don't think he reinjured it, but he didn't do much on the field either, which may have been more a function of not being that good.
DeJuan Blair!Plenty of people have played without an ACL, some for their entire careers.
Thanks for the link, which was very helpful. I dont think RG3 is better reference point since he relied on his legs / athleticism and did not have a prior experience being pocket passer. Hopefully, Wentz would learn to rely on his pocket passing skill with his head instead of legs.Dr. Jene weighed in on this:
Eagles have three more regular season games, plus three potential playoff games. Hard to imagine risking your franchise QB over that long a timeframe.
Better reference point might be RG3.
Agreed, but from a fantasy standpoint, the extra value he gives with his legs is big. Would hate to see him markedly change his game.Hopefully, Wentz would learn to rely on his pocket passing skill with his head instead of legs.
I just meant more in terms of they trotted him back out there after a knee injury for the sake of a playoff run, he reinjured it, and was never the same after. Yes, I think he is more skilled than RG3, and yes, he'd probably be better able to transition to a less mobile style. But if you're the Eagles debating whether to try to bring him back this year (and we don't even know if that is a possibility at this point), you have to be keeping what happened to RG3 in the back of your mind.Thanks for the link, which was very helpful. I dont think RG3 is better reference point since he relied on his legs / athleticism and did not have a prior experience being pocket passer. Hopefully, Wentz would learn to rely on his pocket passing skill with his head instead of legs.
I understand what you meant... And I like to think that Eagles are highly capable organization, smartly investing their roster for long haul. I would expect them to treat Wentz with upmost care unlike Redskins who caved to RG3's begging to return to the game action despite with severe knee injury.I just meant more in terms of they trotted him back out there after a knee injury for the sake of a playoff run, he reinjured it, and was never the same after. Yes, I think he is more skilled than RG3, and yes, he'd probably be better able to transition to a less mobile style. But if you're the Eagles debating whether to try to bring him back this year (and we don't even know if that is a possibility at this point), you have to be keeping what happened to RG3 in the back of your mind.
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Eagles Coach Doug Pederson announces Wentz, torn ACL.
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Yeah, that was my point. I don't see them risking it (in part because they probably learned from RG3's example). Anyway, point is moot now that we know it's a full tear.I understand what you meant... And I like to think that Eagles are highly capable organization, smartly investing their roster for long haul. I would expect them to treat Wentz with upmost care unlike Redskins who caved to RG3's begging to return to the game action despite with severe knee injury.
As someone who turned down an offer of Rivers and Kamara for Wentz back in October, I rate this claim False, especially given that I may end up facing the Rivers/Kamara team in the finals .On a personal note, as the #1 seed in my lone Wentz team, I very nearly traded my “backup” Russel Wilson several times. They say sometimes the best deals are the ones you don’t make.
Brutal.As someone who turned down an offer of Rivers and Kamara for Wentz back in October, I rate this claim False, especially given that I may end up facing the Rivers/Kamara team in the finals .
IANAD* but my sense of these things is that's usually a question that gets answered when they actually do the surgery and get a look at the extent of the damage.Any indication yet on the extent of the tear and recovery period?
It's funny because you hear that cliche all the time. I guess it's true for the other guy.Brutal.
I did say “sometimes”
“Out for the season” so, yeah. No update specifying yet that I’ve seen though.Any indication yet on the extent of the tear and recovery period?
10000% true for me. At one point I countered with Wilson/Kwon Alexander (my LB4) for Mariotta/DezIt's funny because you hear that cliche all the time. I guess it's true for the other guy.
I did hear that it was ACL only, no other ligaments. So that is at least good news.Any indication yet on the extent of the tear and recovery period?
Was thinking the same thing. This new crop coming in next year better hit it big or the league is going to face a lot of mediocrity as the star veteran QBs get another year older.Luck, Wentz, Watson hurt
Mariotta, Carr, Winston regressing
Boy does the NFL have a young QB problem.
Long term I don’t see anything for you toWell, it's a bummer day for me as a dynasty owner of both Wentz and Watson. A little internet research pulled up this interesting tidbit:
"However, because their performance is less tied to lower body speed and explosiveness, 12 out of the 13 of NFL quarterbacks studied after ACL surgeries were able to resume playing at pre-injury levels."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/11/acl-injuries-sports-athletes-careers
I'm keeping my fingers crossed both these guys can come back and resume blowtorching the league.
Dr. Andrews is saying 9-12 months, so it’s very possible we don’t see Wentz behind center by the season opener.I’d bet Wentz misses the 2018 preseason & is ready for game 1 of the regular season - and doesn’t miss a beat.
9-12 months, thought QB's can bounce back quicker?Dr. Andrews is saying 9-12 months, so it’s very possible we don’t see Wentz behind center by the season opener.
The problem with QBs who tear an ACL in terms of getting back to pre-injury form is mental and not physical. Physically, these guys are pros that know how to be regimented and dedicated to do what it takes to recover. Their support system, especially for a QB is top notch. But it is that mental aspect of sticking that leading leg out there and planting it in a way it is exposed that seems to take QBs a while to get back.Long term I don’t see anything for you to
be concerned with.
The advances in this procedure have been incredible, for one thing.
For another, while Wentz is a “mobile” QB, the risk is far greater for Watson, who’s more like Russell Wilson (e.g. a rollout/scrambling QB)
and even still, if RBs can come back in 12 months and look more or less the same, I don’t see why it would be as difficult for a QB.
I’d bet Wentz misses the 2018 preseason & is ready for game 1 of the regular season - and doesn’t miss a beat.
Watson maybe comes back to form in 14-16 month. I think he’ll play well, but IMO he’s gonna need a little longer to get back the lateral quickness, or at least the confidence in trying to make those type of cuts.
Either way, you’re stacked at QB. Sucks for this season for sure. Enjoy your embarrassment of riches. lol
Rice came back too quickly and got hurt in his first game back. As I recall, he cracked his knee-cap which thins after the surgery. At least, that's how they explained it back in the day.I expect Wentz to have a Jerry Rice like timetable of 3.5 months.
That's the normal recovery time, he has to say that. Wentz is young, in perfect shape, and plays a position that doesn't necessarily require hard cutting action and stress. If he doesn't have setbacks, and ACL injuries are pretty cut and dried these days, he'll be a go for the season opener IMO.9-12 months, thought QB's can bounce back quicker?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3379779
That’s what I was thinking, give the general timeframe and most likely talk about him ahead of schedule instead of “what’s wrong” if he takes longer than an optimistic range put out. At least that’s what I hope, but you're the Doc not me.That's the normal recovery time, he has to say that. Wentz is young, in perfect shape, and plays a position that doesn't necessarily require hard cutting action and stress. If he doesn't have setbacks, and ACL injuries are pretty cut and dried these days, he'll be a go for the season opener IMO.