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QB Chad ‘Swag’ Kelly, Colts (1 Viewer)
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squistion
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Quenton S. Albertie (400) @quentonalbertie 5m5 minutes ago
My first editorial for @TheBroncosWire, on why the Denver Broncos should consider starting quarterback Chad Kelly in Week 7:
https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/08/denver-broncos-should-start-chad-kelly-in-nfl-week-7/
My first editorial for @TheBroncosWire, on why the Denver Broncos should consider starting quarterback Chad Kelly in Week 7:
https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/08/denver-broncos-should-start-chad-kelly-in-nfl-week-7/
Dr. Octopus
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Watching him play against my Jets on Sunday, I could not believe how bad he truly is. Even when he was winning games last season with the Vikes, he looked adequate at best - but basically the Vikes won in spite of him which is probably why Zimmer tried to force a not ready Bridgewater in there and if I recall correctly tired to get Bradford back in as well.
I can not believe the Broncos passed on a QB this past draft because they had this guy.
Truebluey
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I was at the Game Sunday. Keenum is a terrible passer. I'm making no judgements on his decision-making, but he never made a good throw all day. The contrast with Darnold was so striking.
Keenum's passes all float through the air like ducks. He seems completely unable to get any zip on the ball, even when his WRs are wide open (both Sutton and Sanders got open a number of times). His deep ball is lame. Even on the Thomas TD he basically had to grab the ball of out of the CBs hands.
I've never seen Kelly play, just describing what I saw with my own eyes with Keenum.
Swap QBs and the Broncos probably win that game Sunday. Well, the Broncos coaches were terrible also, they never adjusted to NY running the ball, so perhaps not . . .
Football Jones
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I don’t believe Kelly is as good of a prospect as Mayfield (who I had as one of the best & safest prospects in a long time), but raw talent-wise, he dwarfs Keenum.
Swag gonna gets his chance, sooner or later. I wouldn't be surprised if he succeeds (albiet with some growing pains like all young QBs).
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dipandglide
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We will see Kelly once our playoff chances are over. I would love to see him before but it won’t happen.
Josephs days are numbered. Elway has one more shot at this thing, he should be toast if he can’t get us headed in the right direction this next cycle.
Josephs days are numbered. Elway has one more shot at this thing, he should be toast if he can’t get us headed in the right direction this next cycle.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I can’t believe Elway fell for the Keenum hype & gave him that kind of money.
It really surprised me.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Maybe he thought Keenum could buy another year of development for Kelly. And rather than draft a qb high, he got greedy and took Chubb.
Elway will look like a genius if Kelly pans out. I’m as big a Kelly fan as there is, give the kid a shot if he’s ready and healthy and let’s see what he can do. If Kelly flashes we give him next year and see if he continues to develop.
Edit- we need a bright coach to come in and create a system Kelly and the team can thrive in. We all know DT and Sanders days as Broncos are numbered, there a huge reset about to take place.
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Football Jones
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That's exactly what I was wondering. How high is Elway on Kelly?
I mean, Swag was a late 7th so it seems like if Elway was actually high on him at all, considering their QB issues, they would've pulled the trigger sooner instead of being more like a value pick to finish off their draft.
I've always wondered about that.
Aznflyer14
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This is one of several reasons Vikings went all-out to sign Cousins as their QB to maximize their championship-contending roster. I think Broncos should pull a plug on Keenum and go with Kelly. I mean, what do they have to lose? It is not like they have done before with their 7th round pick Trevor Siemian whom they had as starting QB in the past.
Interseptopus
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Football Jones
Footballguy
What if Keenum & Diggs didn't hook up at the end of the Saints game?
Does he still get a big deal & does Elway sign him?
Does he still get a big deal & does Elway sign him?
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Keenum had a good day statistically
DEN is grippin
DEN is grippin
a_troll00
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ericttspikes
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
Not sure if there's anything really holding him back per se. Injuries and character red flags were the reasons he fell in the draft. Torn ACL. Had a wrist injury that ended his pro-day. Was on IR and basically redshirted last year. Guy is brash, has had some fights. General immaturity I suppose. I don't think he had any Joe Mixon level problems. Booted from Clemson for detrimental conduct, basically yelling at coaches. My sense is that he grew up at Ole Miss and that his injuries were a larger issue for falling in the draft. He's the best Ole Miss QB I've seen play, and there is an argument that he may be the best Ole Miss QB of all time. I think he was much better than Eli even though Chad wasn't there as long. Maybe Chad can be a bit reckless. Who knows how he'll pan out at this level until he gets his chance. He has the tools to be a stud in the NFL IMO.
Ghost Rider
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The problem is that the Broncos doofus coach probably a) thinks he needs to win games now to save his job, and b) thinks that the veteran is more likely to win games now than a guy who has never started. And he can point to Keenum's stat line last week (which was inflated big time by garbage time stats) and say, "See, he is not the reason we lost."
Sorry but Elway doesn't want to see Keenum not playing....cause it will then officially go down as ANOTHER swing and miss by Elway at QB.....as stubborn as Elway was about trying to get Lynch on the field, he will be just as stubborn to keep Swag off the field.....he doesn't want another 7th round or undrafted guy showing up the new "toy" he just brought into town and paid $18 million to....
best thing that could happen from Elway's POV is for Keenum to get hurt....and then Swag comes in.....a straight benching of Keenum ain't gonna happen on Elway's watch....at least for these 2 years....
and would it be Kelly or Hogan right now anyway...?
best thing that could happen from Elway's POV is for Keenum to get hurt....and then Swag comes in.....a straight benching of Keenum ain't gonna happen on Elway's watch....at least for these 2 years....
and would it be Kelly or Hogan right now anyway...?
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Interseptopus
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YES
Many apologists will say "well, if Swag hits then Elway looks good." Sure, but he has swung and missed on every FA QB he has brought in except for GOAT candidate Peyton Manning.
This is the major reason Swag isn't playing, and why they want to give Keenum every chance they can to succeed. He won't, and people will lose their jobs.
I just hope Kelly isn't Davis Webb-ed... new GM comes in and "you're not his guy" so he sends you packing, never giving you a legit chance. I don't see Elway getting the boot this year, but you never know
Kubiak left because Elway told him to play Lynch in the last game and Kubiak said FU...it wasn't because of health....yes they have patched things up, but let's not kid ourselves....that relationship got toxic because of the presence of Paxton Lynch....
the biggest problem in Denver right now is that there is nobody in place to hold Elway accountable...."The Trust" isn't going to fire him.....Joe Ellis isn't going to fire him....Elway is like the Joker in Gotham City when Batman isn't in town....just wrecking havoc...nobody has the onions to call out #7 in Denver....
its kind of funny because the Kelly pick as Mr. Irrelevant was really just a nice gesture by Elway to Jim Kelly....but now he may be the best QB in town.....(since Elway wouldn't keep Sloter around either).....
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Interseptopus
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Yes I think you're spot on with all of this. Couldn't agree more. Was unaware of the Jim Kelly gesture, but it makes sense. Sloter was odd for him let go too.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Elway traded Kelly. Kind of like Billy Beane in "Moneyball" where he trades all the players away until the GM has to play Hatteberg at 1B
I was surprised when Elway got the keys to the castle. I remembered thinking, man he will never be fired no matter how bad he might muck things up.
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Football Jones
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If Elway was actually high on Kelly, he wouldn't have waited until the late 7th. It seemed to be more of a value pick. Elway contacted Jim to ask him about Chad & Jim vouched for his nephew. Otherwise, the pick wouldn't have been made.
The whole thing with Swag is rather interesting. Given it's the QB position & teams would kill for a top prospect, him falling how far he did was a HUGE surprise to me. I get the character & injury concerns, but I thought no way Swag was getting out of the 4th. He just has too much raw talent to fall very far (or so I thought).
There must've been some really damaging stuff as far as character. Maybe he didn't come off well in interviews. It seems like Swag hasn't had any trouble in the pros as far as character so we'll see.
The whole thing with Swag is rather interesting. Given it's the QB position & teams would kill for a top prospect, him falling how far he did was a HUGE surprise to me. I get the character & injury concerns, but I thought no way Swag was getting out of the 4th. He just has too much raw talent to fall very far (or so I thought).
There must've been some really damaging stuff as far as character. Maybe he didn't come off well in interviews. It seems like Swag hasn't had any trouble in the pros as far as character so we'll see.
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Football Jones
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Some guys can sling it, some can't.
Swag can sling it so it'll be all the other stuff that determines if he'll make it.
I hope Elway isn't too stubborn about giving him a chance.
Swag can sling it so it'll be all the other stuff that determines if he'll make it.
I hope Elway isn't too stubborn about giving him a chance.
I think the thing with 7th rd picks is they are guys you like as UDFA's and grab them in the 7th so you don't have competition from other teams. I also think you guys are right that Keenum isn't getting benched due to Elway's ego and Joseph's ineptness.
If Keenum was at least performing like a poorman's Alex Smith and game managing that would be one thing but dude is throwing picks left and right and no TD passes. Unfortunately for Keenum and fortunately for $wag, football is a violent sport and Keenum is going to be forced to the sidelines at some point due to injury. The Chad will get his chance!
If Keenum was at least performing like a poorman's Alex Smith and game managing that would be one thing but dude is throwing picks left and right and no TD passes. Unfortunately for Keenum and fortunately for $wag, football is a violent sport and Keenum is going to be forced to the sidelines at some point due to injury. The Chad will get his chance!
doeseatplace
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
First regular season snap, well on his way!
Ghost Rider
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Offense is going nowhere with Keenum, and he’s lost the home crowd. Might as well see what Kelly can do.
ConnSKINS26
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Keenum throws some of the worst attempts at fades I've ever seen, and I watched RG3 in a Shanahan offense.
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kittenmittens
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I think teams thrown what they thought before the draft away as soon as they start collecting more information as the player is actually on the team in practice and meetings every day.
Elway being high or not high on him when he was drafted probably doesn't matter now.
Also, Kelly's work ethic is known to be absolutely incredible. His character is excellent as far as I know.
Mile High
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I especially liked when the sideline reporter says " Good news for Broncos fans, Keenum has been cleared to return"Chad Kelly came in to kneel down at the end of the half, bringing cheers from the home team crowd.
Unfortunately, Case Keenum returned in the 3rd, so we will have to wait another game or two for the Chad Kelly era to begin.
squistion
Footballguy
It may not be a question of being obvious. It may be having to admit they made a mistake signing Keenum to that big bucks contract while having their QB of the future on their bench the whole time.
Think that is what I said a few posts ago....and also what I said when they missed on Brock....even tho they were willing to up their offer on him after HOU wanted him....this team (Elway) was going to give Brock $16 mil a year.....then the #### show of Lynch/Simien....now $18 mil on Keenum which isn’t any better then anything they have had...Keenum is what is he is...a nice backup....Elway doesn’t want to admit any of his mistakes....letting Joseph play Kelly would be another one...even tho Elway “drafted” Him...squistion said:
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Broncos favored on the road vs. a 1-5 Cardinals team. If they lose, I have to think Kelly gets a shot next week.
King of the Jungle
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with Joseph's job seemingly on line as each minute passes, I am just not sure they make the switch....he isn't going to put his job in the hands of Swag....if they lose and Joseph gets fired, I don't think they also make a QB switch....tough sell firing the coach and then having the new coach play a new QB....I think we all know Elway is behind the scenes calling all the shots here....if they switch QB's, don't you have to give Joseph a chance with the new guy instead of the guy (Keeneum) Elway hand picked...?
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King of the Jungle
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The continued losing isn't going to save anyone's job however. Might as get the fans excited and see what the kid can do. The defense has been a big disappointment this year which I think caught everyone off guard.
