Ministry of Pain
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NO TRADE CLAUSEthanks Menobrown...does Watson have any veto power in where he goes?
NO TRADE CLAUSEthanks Menobrown...does Watson have any veto power in where he goes?
That's where I am...on one hand you might think the Texans are behind this but if that were true or could be proven, it would almost send the franchise into a deep dark place we've not seen publicly to this point...I wouldn't play for them if I were a professional football player and I knew they smeared Watson to make him almost untradeable...If the Texans were not entirely incompetent they would have taken one of the offers before this started coming out.
The NFL is investigating the sexual assault lawsuits filed against Deshaun Watson.
“The matter is under review of the personal conduct policy," the league said. The lawsuits allege that Watson committed the assaults while being massaged. All three women work in different states. Watson has strongly denied the allegations. The lawyer filing the claims came out of the gates with a bizarre, guns-blazing statement, but the matter is clearly being taken seriously by the league. Watson has not offered further comment since posting on Twitter Tuesday evening.
SOURCE: Associated Press
Mar 18, 2021, 7:04 PM ET
People thought the same thing about Ravi Zacharias and it turns out that the leader of one of the largest evangelical groups in the world was most definitely doing almost the exact same thing for decades that Watson is being accused of.I think there is a less than 1% chance these accusations are true. Watson has been a strong man of faith WAY before his NFL days. And he walks the walk too. I know you have a lot of hot headed idiots in the league but he's not one of them.
lol wut?I just can't believe this is true. You think IF he groped or assaulted women habitually (I consider 4 women habitual) you would have heard/seen this way before now. Why now, when he's worth millions? Just doesn't make sense to me. With AB, maybe it was brain injuries changing his personality, but again, none of that applies here...very odd.
Your ideas make logical sense of it isn't. But the counter argument is that some idiot billionaire doesn't think the rules apply to him, he thinks can do anything he wants, and he's in a pissing match with Watson so has to win the fight. I have a bit of a hard time believing this whole thing is a ploy by the texans, but anything is possible. The whole thing is pretty weird. It also always stinks when people go the lawsuit route instead of going to the police.Ministry of Pain said:That's where I am...on one hand you might think the Texans are behind this but if that were true or could be proven, it would almost send the franchise into a deep dark place we've not seen publicly to this point...I wouldn't play for them if I were a professional football player and I knew they smeared Watson to make him almost untradeable...
But then why would Houston do that? it would be better in a trade if he was squeaky clean so it doesn't really make a lot of sense but then again, a last hail mary to try and keep him with the team...I think the owner wants to keep him no matter what and the front office is having a hard time keeping his wishes.
Its over as far as a trade goes for this year....I cant see any team trading for him unless there is a complete vindication and quick....neither seems possibleEvidently it is up to 7 lawsuits filed. The lawyer representing the women in holding a press conference today... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/18/lawyer-handling-lawsuits-against-deshaun-watson-calls-friday-press-conference/
TMZ has a text message where Watson apologized for making a message therapist uncomfortable. This is not looking as fake as originally thought.
Same day, something like 5 or 6 hours before the news broke the news came out that Tyrod was signed.Did the Texans sign Tyrod Taylor the day before this Watson news broke?
Obviously they would have had a little notice so it doesn’t necessarily mean anything but does add to any kind of conspiracy theory put there.Same day, 5 or 6 hours before the news broke.
If they had any clue ahead of this before it broke, wouldn't they have just traded Watson to one of the teams begging them to take their picks? How could they NOT have had any clue as well?Obviously they would have had a little notice so it doesn’t necessarily mean anything but does add to any kind of conspiracy theory put there.
The Texans never heard about this and neither did the public; these were incidents from last year I believe, way before Deshaun asked outkittenmittens said:If the Texans were not entirely incompetent they would have taken one of the offers before this started coming out.
If they had knowledge this was going to happen and traded him to another NFL team for a killing, the McNairs would be blackballed. I mean these teams are competing against each other but the NFL is a partnership between the 32 teams.If they had any clue ahead of this before it broke, wouldn't they have just traded Watson to one of the teams begging them to take their picks? How could they NOT have had any clue as well?
Logic doesn't seem to have a seat at the table in Houston though so...
So maybe 6 figures doesn’t sound like a lot of money to us, but if he’s guilty and knows 12 more are going to follow, then 13 x 6 figures equal a whole garden full of cabbage.It seems like an odd move by Watson to not take the reported settlement opportunity if the accusations are completely true or even have enough truth to them to tarnish his image. The reported amount of settlement request (6 figures?) also seems like a fairly low amount for the kind of money Watson has and what he is accused of. Maybe that settlement part isn't accurately reported even though it came from Watson's response? These things don't always follow the logical path of course, but this seems a little odd on multiple levels.
It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town... I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.
Not nearly as much as 13 judgements against him plus the legal fees? I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a settlement request amount would be calculated by some form of (estimated amount a judge would reward) x (estimated probability of judgement for plaintiff).So maybe 6 figures doesn’t sound like a lot of money to us, but if he’s guilty and knows 12 more are going to follow, then 13 x 6 figures equal a whole garden full of cabbage.
Good point. "We didn't know" seems pretty believable for them though.If they had knowledge this was going to happen and traded him to another NFL team for a killing, the McNairs would be blackballed. I mean these teams are competing against each other but the NFL is a partnership between the 32 teams.
Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending. Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it. So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.It seems like an odd move by Watson to not take the reported settlement opportunity if the accusations are completely true or even have enough truth to them to tarnish his image. The reported amount of settlement request (6 figures?) also seems like a fairly low amount for the kind of money Watson has and what he is accused of. Maybe that settlement part isn't accurately reported even though it came from Watson's response? These things don't always follow the logical path of course, but this seems a little odd on multiple levels.
It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town... I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.
Four new lawsuits alleging sexual misconduct have been filed against Deshaun Watson.
The Houston Chronicle reported the new batch of suits filed by women who claim Watson engaged in misconduct during massage sessions. One of the new lawsuits alleges that Watson assaulted the same massage therapist twice in fall 2020. Six of the lawsuits accuse Watson of inappropriately touching women with his penis. He allegedly resisted wearing towels to cover his naked body during the massage sessions. The NFL has said it is investigating the allegations made against Watson, who is seeking a trade out of Houston. The league has not punished players based on civil lawsuits.
SOURCE: ProFootballTalk.com
Mar 19, 2021, 12:08 PM ET
He’s toast.
It’s sexual assault. He’s in big trouble.Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending. Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it. So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.
Just smacks of a guy that doesn't think what he did was wrong.
Quote a bit of smoke actually7 or 9 different women? Holy smokes.
The attorney posted about the initial lawsuit on IG and asked for additional information and from that he has been contacted by several women. Allegedly.This all happened really fast. How did the lawyer get all these women together in just a few days?
That would be one hell of a coincidenceAnd there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(
Are there many examples of 7+ women lying about a single person?And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(
This is certainly possible as well but it almost implies that Watson had no legal counsel of his own.Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending. Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it. So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.
Just smacks of a guy that doesn't think what he did was wrong.
And they are all randomly from different places. If this was 1 maybe 2 women then spidey sense would perk up but 7-9. Come on man.Are there many examples of 7+ women lying about a single person?
I don't disagree, I'm saying that could have easily been his thought process.It’s sexual assault. He’s in big trouble.
The Houston Chronicle's Aaron Wilson reports there are "several" NFL teams that remain "extremely interested" in trading for Deshaun Watson.
Wilson cited a league source who said teams "are actively monitoring the sexual assault civil lawsuit allegations filed against" Watson in recent days. Watson now faces seven lawsuits from women alleging sexual misconduct during massage sessions. Apparently that hasn't changed teams' calculus in pursuing a trade for Watson, who wants out of Houston.
SOURCE: Aaron Wilson on Twitter
Mar 19, 2021, 12:44 PM ET
Don't the texts change this a lot though?And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(
An entitled ####### commits multiple sexual assaults, would be another way of stating that.A gazillionaire with so much to lose hires a private massage therapist. These guys are so dumb.
If you like, sure.An entitled ####### commits multiple sexual assaults, would be another way of stating that.
I’d be inclined to think it’s pretty damning in the past, but after hearing doctored audio released to TMZ where Tyreek supposedly admitted to beating his son I’m not really taking anything at face value anymore and will wait to let the courts/investigation figure it out.Don't the texts change this a lot though?
The texts seem to make it impossible that this would just be some random women who don't even know Watson coming out to pile in to a lawsuit. They seem to verify that not only were at least some of these women involved with Watson, but also verify Watson admitting to the circumstances that the women said the assault took place in (namely a massage where Watson acted inappropriately).
We now know that at least 1 of the women, and soon to be more if the lawyer does have more similar texts as he claims he does, was hired to massage Watson where Watson did something that made the woman feel uncomfortable. That seems different than if there were 9 women claiming that happened and we didn't even know if any of those women had ever even massaged him.
I don't know - the texts we have seen are very circumstantial but I think your point is that they tie Watson directly to the victims.Don't the texts change this a lot though?
The texts seem to make it impossible that this would just be some random women who don't even know Watson coming out to pile in to a lawsuit. They seem to verify that not only were at least some of these women involved with Watson, but also verify Watson admitting to the circumstances that the women said the assault took place in (namely a massage where Watson acted inappropriately).
We now know that at least 1 of the women, and soon to be more if the lawyer does have more similar texts as he claims he does, was hired to massage Watson where Watson did something that made the woman feel uncomfortable. That seems different than if there were 9 women claiming that happened and we didn't even know if any of those women had ever even massaged him.