QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (3 Viewers)

[-OZ-]

I've never once said, nor implied this. And I assume you're just saying this in general, as Im sure some think that way. 

I'm certain he was creepy to AT LEAST some of the accusers. To what degree, I have no idea. Could be as little as creepy to as much as completely inappropriate. 

My critisism is of how the whole system works... If the courts (the HIGHEST power in society) passes on something like this, why does it then become the responsibility of the employer to slap Deshaun's wrist? And 4 games? 6 games?

Honestly, what the hell is a 4-6 game suspension? What does that do? What does it change? It's laughable and as relevent as 0 games. It's basically pissing in the women's faces and saying "you're welcome... your lips were on fire".

come on man. You understand the difference between criminal conduct and violating the PCP.  Many employers (including mine) fire employees for conduct which isn’t criminal or wouldn’t be prosecuted. Or criminal conduct which doesn’t get proven BRD. 

 

[menobrown]

It’s not true though. See above. 

Good catch on Hunt but it's still wildly different then Watson.  Hunt's video emerged in middle of the season and he was never even on the exempt list for a game as an active player.

If Watson was going to be put on the exempt list he'd have been put on it last year.

I'm disappointed that Florio still has so much ability to make people chase their tail.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

all the more reason for the league to wait until the cases are resolved 

which is likely to be next year, when a suspension would actually cost Watson money

NFL suspensions aren’t vindictive. This is kind of a weird assertion, and sounds like wishful thinking.

They've been pretty consistent saying if league discipline comes down it will be after the criminal Justice system has resolved. Which happened with the grand jury dismissals. 

However, this looks like a highly orchestrated money grab to me, (as actual evidence seems to be pretty flimsy) 

which would cause Watson to not settle anything any time soon 

on a side note, it would seem that the person to get the most out of these hoped for settlements would be Buzbee, the chief huckster and promoter.

I don’t agree with any of this. The presumption of innocence should maybe be applied to the victims of sexual assault as well as the person accused of it 22x, no? 

My friend’s daughter studied spots medicine & is a sports therapist. She isn’t a hooker, nor would she lie about sexual assault for a “money grab”. if she told me she was assaulted, I would believe her. 

Maybe try to remember that these 22 women are also someone’s daughters. And that they, too, should be able to earn a living without some creepy MF putting his schlong on them.

Blaming the accusers is a schtick as old as time. 

Just sayin - Occam’s Razor and all that. The idea of a 23 person conspiracy with one mastermind at the center sounds a lot less likely than Watson being a creep. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Good catch on Hunt but it's still wildly different then Watson.  Hunt's video emerged in middle of the season and he was never even on the exempt list for a game as an active player.

If Watson was going to be put on the exempt list he'd have been put on it last year.

I'm disappointed that Florio still has so much ability to make people chase their tail.

I agree that it’s a different situation. There’s also never been a situation quite like Watson’s though. I am not making any moves based on Florio, just something to talk about while having a slow work day.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good catch on Hunt but it's still wildly different then Watson.  Hunt's video emerged in middle of the season and he was never even on the exempt list for a game as an active player.

If Watson was going to be put on the exempt list he'd have been put on it last year.

I'm disappointed that Florio still has so much ability to make people chase their tail.

IIRC the league said it wasn’t an option until the criminal cases had resolved themselves. 

 

[menobrown]

IIRC the league said it wasn’t an option until the criminal cases had resolved themselves. 

That would not make any sense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

come on man. You understand the difference between criminal conduct and violating the PCP.  Many employers (including mine) fire employees for conduct which isn’t criminal or wouldn’t be prosecuted. Or criminal conduct which doesn’t get proven BRD. 

Yep. 

Try this as an experiment: March into HR, crack a beer, rip your shirt off, and loudly compliment a body part of the HR director.

Assuming you’re over 21, drinking beer is not illegal. Being shirtless isn’t indecent exposure. Saying something lurid is also not against the law. 

It’s also he-said/she-said with no witnesses. 

You’ll either 1. Get a date, or 2. Get fired. 

I’m betting on the latter. 

 

[menobrown]

I agree that it’s a different situation. There’s also never been a situation quite like Watson’s though. I am not making any moves based on Florio, just something to talk about while having a slow work day.

I don't think it has any merit or worth discussing myself. If there was some way for me to wager that Watson would never be put on the exempt list I'd load up.  It's not going to happen.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That would not make any sense.

They said they weren’t going to take any action while they investigated and pending outcome of the criminal cases.

it made sense to them. 

 

 

[GregR]

However, this looks like a highly orchestrated money grab to me, (as actual evidence seems to be pretty flimsy) 

IIRC, there's 23 women that filed civil cases, one withdrawn. Another 2 who filed criminal complaints but not civil complaints. Reportedly 4 more women who are also going to be file suits but are working out who will represent them.

Then there are about 18 other women that Watson's team brought forward as masseuses he had worked with that they gave as character witnesses. Though one of those character witnesses had messaged other masseuses about Watson's reputation getting around and recommending not working with him.

That's 47 women (that we know of) in something like a year and a half or two year span (not entirely sure the timing of the 18 women working with him) that Watson had giving him massages. During a pandemic. When he had team-paid for masseuses available. That he reached out to on Instagram, the messages of which are hard evidence he actually had engagements with these women. Asking if they'd handle groin massages. Some of the women he approached for this not even being masseuses.

His lawyer has already admitted sexual contact taking place.  At the very least, the evidence suggests he's probably been pursuing prostitution in the guise of massages on a massive scale. 

It's very likely when he was pursuing women on Instagram for this, he's ended up with a lot of women who just do legitimate massage. It's not hard to believe he pushed for more during his sessions, is it? We've got 25 women who have alleged at some point he did, with 4 more still possibly to file. While there isn't likely video evidence of it taking place, IIRC there is evidence of some of the women being distraught with friends over what took place after their session with him.

So without us even having seen all of the evidence there is, I'd disagree with your contention this looks like just a money grab, and the evidence being flimsy. I'm sure there are some money-grabbers involved in the suit, probably some who knew what Watson was after and were willing to provide it, and now are cashing in once it's come to light what he was doing. But it seems extremely unlikely all 29 cases are due to that, and certainly not the women who filed criminal complaints but not civil actions.

 

[menobrown]

They said they weren’t going to take any action while they investigated and pending outcome of the criminal cases.

it made sense to them. 

The league never said they were holding off placing him on exempt list until his criminal cases were over, they said would prefer to hold off on investigating until that time. So no, it makes no sense to hold off on using the main power the league has to make a player go away until his case is resolved only to then pull it out when the case is resolved.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

IIRC, there's 23 women that filed civil cases, one withdrawn. Another 2 who filed criminal complaints but not civil complaints. Reportedly 4 more women who are also going to be file suits but are working out who will represent them.

Then there are about 18 other women that Watson's team brought forward as masseuses he had worked with that they gave as character witnesses. Though one of those character witnesses had messaged other masseuses about Watson's reputation getting around and recommending not working with him.

That's 47 women (that we know of) in something like a year and a half or two year span (not entirely sure the timing of the 18 women working with him) that Watson had giving him massages. During a pandemic. When he had team-paid for masseuses available. That he reached out to on Instagram, the messages of which are hard evidence he actually had engagements with these women. Asking if they'd handle groin massages. Some of the women he approached for this not even being masseuses.

His lawyer has already admitted sexual contact taking place.  At the very least, the evidence suggests he's probably been pursuing prostitution in the guise of massages on a massive scale. 

It's very likely when he was pursuing women on Instagram for this, he's ended up with a lot of women who just do legitimate massage. It's not hard to believe he pushed for more during his sessions, is it? We've got 25 women who have alleged at some point he did, with 4 more still possibly to file. While there isn't likely video evidence of it taking place, IIRC there is evidence of some of the women being distraught with friends over what took place after their session with him.

So without us even having seen all of the evidence there is, I'd disagree with your contention this looks like just a money grab, and the evidence being flimsy. I'm sure there are some money-grabbers involved in the suit, probably some who knew what Watson was after and were willing to provide it, and now are cashing in once it's come to light what he was doing. But it seems extremely unlikely all 29 cases are due to that, and certainly not the women who filed criminal complaints but not civil actions.

Well said.

Also, as a personal anecdote, I had a jacked up disc in my back for about 6 months. It sucked.

Eventually resolved though cortisone injection, blah blah 

But during that 6 months I sought relief / possible remedy through massage therapy.

I went to one & she was ham-handed. Lacked empathy, lacked intuition. Not a great masseuse. So I found another and she was amazing. I went to her 2x a week For 4 moths. Why would I find a new one when she was effective? 

Who goes to a different masseuse every massage? It makes no sense.

Again, Occam’s Razor. If someone is using 47 different masseuses and trolling IG to find new ones all the time, what are the chances they’re just looking for a good massage?

The obvious answer is usually the correct one. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The league never said they were holding off placing him on exempt list until his criminal cases were over, they said would prefer to hold off on investigating until that time. So no, it makes no sense to hold off on using the main power the league has to make a player go away until his case is resolved only to then pull it out when the case is resolved.

Oh, ok. Maybe I misunderstood that part. 

If that’s the case, I agree it’s unlikely (I agreed it was unlikely before)

They still might see it as effective PR.

 

[Gally]

It kind of sickens me that people are using the “well if 2 separate GJs didn’t indict him, he must not have done anything” argument.

The NFL will suspend him if their investigation reveals misconduct. 

If that happens, it will be 100% deserved, and 100% unrelated to the grand juries. 

And if any of these women win their civil suits, that will only make the suspension look more deserved.

22 women have accused Watson of sexual assault. Lack of evidence (or the DA’s will) to pursue criminally does not dismiss those allegations.

Time will tell if this happens, but grandstanding about Watson’s innocence before we know what the league’s investigation determines, and before these 22 women have their day in civil court is both premature, and somewhat gross.

The sad truth is that people get away sexual assault all the time, and powerful people more so than not. This is in part because it’s often he said/she said, and the standard for evidence in a criminal trial Is high.  

I’m all about innocent until proven guilty - Watson hasn’t been cleared yet, IMO. And if the league suspends him, you can be damn sure they have cause to.

Innocent until proven guilty means he is currently innocent.  There is smoke that something happened but at this moment he is innocent.  Your statements of people assuming Watson's innocence now is grandstanding becasue we don't know about the results of the civil court seem contradictory.  He is innocent currently.......until something is proven.  Smoke is not proof.  

Also, it seems you can't be "all about innocent until proven guilty" and then say "Watson hasn't been cleared yet".   Those are contradictory statements.  He doesn't have to be cleared of anything to be innocent since he is innocent until proven guilty.  The onus is on the legal system to prove his guilt.  The onus isn't on Watson to clear himself.  

 

[menobrown]

They still might see it as effective PR.

If Watson does not settle and the cases are not heard before the season I feel strongly the league is going to do just like they did when Antonio Brown had a pending civil suit and that will cover the PR base from the leagues angle.

To remind the league did talk to the lady who filed the suit on AB. When his civil trial was still forthcoming they suspended him 8 games for a variety of issues and put out a memo saying if new information came to light(which most, me included, assumed they meant the civil trial)  they reserved the right to suspend him further. AB ended up settling so no new info had a chance to come to light.

That's the outcome I expect with Watson barring him settling. A suspension with language that specifies if new information comes to light they reserve the right to suspend him further. 

And to me there is a difference between suspension and the exempt list because the player still gets paid and the league has never shown any precedence for considering the exempt list as "time served".  You start talking about an exempt list followed by a suspension and these cases maybe not getting resolved anytime soon and you now start looking at Watson maybe not playing until sometime deep into the 2023 season. I don't see that happening.

If it did I'll wear egg on my face but not as bad the one the Haslams/Browns would wear for not checking in with the league before making the deal. I feel good this won't be happening.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If Watson does not settle and the cases are not heard before the season I feel strongly the league is going to do just like they did when Antonio Brown had a pending civil suit and that will cover the PR base from the leagues angle.

To remind the league did talk to the lady who filed the suit on AB. When his civil trial was still forthcoming they suspended him 8 games for a variety of issues and put out a memo saying if new information came to light(which most, me included, assumed they meant the civil trial)  they reserved the right to suspend him further. AB ended up settling so no new info had a chance to come to light.

That's the outcome I expect with Watson barring him settling. A suspension with language that specifies if new information comes to light they reserve the right to suspend him further. 

And to me there is a difference between suspension and the exempt list because the player still gets paid and the league has never shown any precedence for considering the exempt list as "time served".  You start talking about an exempt list followed by a suspension and these cases maybe not getting resolved anytime soon and you now start looking at Watson maybe not playing until sometime deep into the 2023 season. I don't see that happening.

If it did I'll wear egg on my face but not as bad the one the Haslams/Browns would wear for not checking in with the league before making the deal. I feel good this won't be happening.

That sounds pretty reasonable. I’d actually forgotten about the AB issue, and I agree this is the most likely outcome. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also, it seems you can't be "all about innocent until proven guilty" and then say "Watson hasn't been cleared yet".   Those are contradictory statements.  He doesn't have to be cleared of anything to be innocent since he is innocent until proven guilty.  The onus is on the legal system to prove his guilt.  The onus isn't on Watson to clear himself.  

the sheer volume of accusations and pending civil cases, to me, is more than just smoke.

If it were merely allegations, that would be different. But these women are pursuing this civilly. After putting it on the line to pursue it criminally.

I’m aware of the apparent contradiction, but to me, Watson hasn’t been cleared until the outcome of these civil cases is determined.

 

[Gally]

IIRC, there's 23 women that filed civil cases, one withdrawn. Another 2 who filed criminal complaints but not civil complaints. Reportedly 4 more women who are also going to be file suits but are working out who will represent them.

Then there are about 18 other women that Watson's team brought forward as masseuses he had worked with that they gave as character witnesses. Though one of those character witnesses had messaged other masseuses about Watson's reputation getting around and recommending not working with him.

That's 47 women (that we know of) in something like a year and a half or two year span (not entirely sure the timing of the 18 women working with him) that Watson had giving him massages. During a pandemic. When he had team-paid for masseuses available. That he reached out to on Instagram, the messages of which are hard evidence he actually had engagements with these women. Asking if they'd handle groin massages. Some of the women he approached for this not even being masseuses.

His lawyer has already admitted sexual contact taking place.  At the very least, the evidence suggests he's probably been pursuing prostitution in the guise of massages on a massive scale. 

It's very likely when he was pursuing women on Instagram for this, he's ended up with a lot of women who just do legitimate massage. It's not hard to believe he pushed for more during his sessions, is it? We've got 25 women who have alleged at some point he did, with 4 more still possibly to file. While there isn't likely video evidence of it taking place, IIRC there is evidence of some of the women being distraught with friends over what took place after their session with him.

So without us even having seen all of the evidence there is, I'd disagree with your contention this looks like just a money grab, and the evidence being flimsy. I'm sure there are some money-grabbers involved in the suit, probably some who knew what Watson was after and were willing to provide it, and now are cashing in once it's come to light what he was doing. But it seems extremely unlikely all 29 cases are due to that, and certainly not the women who filed criminal complaints but not civil actions.

Where does "pushing for more" cross the line?  I think that line is blurred these days.  I think it many cases both sides believe their "truth".  Meaning the guy thinks he is just flirting, innocently trying for sex, etc without being over the line while the woman feels threatened, pressured and it being too forceful.   

For example, you go out on a date.  The date ends and you go up for a night cap.  You start making out and every thing seems fine.  The guy tries a little something more and the girl is hesitant and pulls away but giggles or says something playful.  The girl doesn't want to go further and is nervous and her playfullness is flirty and she doesn't say stop or no.  So the guy tries a little harder and then the girl gives in without saying anything more.  The guy thinks he is just flirting and having fun and if she said no he stops immediately but he took the nervousness/playfullness as flirting and an invite when in reality the girl didn't want anything more without saying it.  Did anything wrong happen?  

I can see both sides and it's a really tough situation and time to be in.  The guy thinks they are just having fun and the girl felt pressured without saying she felt pressured.  In each of their minds they did nothing wrong and the girl feels violated.  

Now for the massage, the massage starts and the masseuse is playful and flirty (not that this is an invitation to assault).  As things go on Watson says hey why don't you rub here and the masseuse laughs and says she doesn't do that type of thing.  Watson pushes a little more verbally and then the masseuse stops it and leaves.   Could Watson believe he was just flirting and trying for more that a willing masseuse would allow?  Could the masseuse feel violated and think she was assaulted?  Could both think they did nothing wrong?

Assault is a terrible thing and there are clear cut times of nastiness and men forcing women to do things they said no to.  But there is a large a grey area where both sides can think two completely different things and truly believe there side to the story.  This is where it gets so hard.  

 

[Gally]

the sheer volume of accusations and pending civil cases, to me, is more than just smoke.

If it were merely allegations, that would be different. But these women are pursuing this civilly. After putting it on the line to pursue it criminally.

I’m aware of the apparent contradiction, but to me, Watson hasn’t been cleared until the outcome of these civil cases is determined.

Then he isn't innocent until proven guilty.  He may not be guilty in your eyes yet but he definitely isn't innocent in your eyes either.  Which means you cannot say you believe in "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[Gally]

the sheer volume of accusations and pending civil cases, to me, is more than just smoke.

If it were merely allegations, that would be different. But these women are pursuing this civilly. After putting it on the line to pursue it criminally.

I’m aware of the apparent contradiction, but to me, Watson hasn’t been cleared until the outcome of these civil cases is determined.

At this point they are merely allegations.  Even if they are pursuing it civilly they are still just allegations.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Then he isn't innocent until proven guilty.  He may not be guilty in your eyes yet but he definitely isn't innocent in your eyes either.  Which means you cannot say you believe in "innocent until proven guilty".

Fair. Ya got me. Sometimes circumstantial evidences is overwhelming & today I learned the actual number is 47.

So no - in my eyes, he might not be guilty yet, but I’ve backed off of the presumption of innocence in this particular circumstance.

And since I’m not actually a court of law, I’m ok with it. 

 

[Soulfly3]

#Browns GM Andrew Berry says the team has looked into Deshaun Watson for the last 5 months. They used private investigators.

He says they were advised by attorneys not to speak to the 22 women to not interfere with ongoing investigations.

"We do have faith in him as a person."

 

[beer 30]

DeShaun Watson:

"I've always been hands on in the community and want to get back to that"

Probably shoulda worded that one a little better.

 

[Soulfly3]

Deshaun Watson: "I understand these allegations are serious. I never assaulted any woman. I've never disrespected any woman. I was raised to be genuine and to respect everyone around me."

Watson adds that he was raised by a single mother and two aunts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

#Browns GM Andrew Berry says the team has looked into Deshaun Watson for the last 5 months. They used private investigators.

He says they were advised by attorneys not to speak to the 22 women to not interfere with ongoing investigations.

"We do have faith in him as a person."

I’m not sure what the point of this is ?

The conclusion: team has faith in Watson. Uh, ok - based on all that nothing?

They had private investigators who didn’t actually speak to accusers.

it’s like hiring an architect to not design a building.

Is any of this somehow supposed to be a positive for Watson? 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Deshaun Watson: "I understand these allegations are serious. I never assaulted any woman. I've never disrespected any woman. I was raised to be genuine and to respect everyone around me."

Watson adds that he was raised by a single mother and two aunts.

From the same dude who just said this:

”Deshaun Watson claims the $230M fully-guaranteed contract was not the reason why he chose the #Browns. 

Says he didn't even know about the contract offer until after he decided on choosing Cleveland.”

uh huh. Sure thing, pal. Very believable on all counts. 

 

[Soulfly3]

Deshaun Watson said it is not his intent to settle the 22 active civil suits. He wants to fight to clear his name.

 

[beer 30]

I’m not sure what the point of this is ?

The conclusion: team has faith in Watson. Uh, ok - based on all that nothing?

They had private investigators who didn’t actually speak to accusers.

it’s like hiring an architect to not design a building.

Is any of this somehow supposed to be a positive for Watson? 

Thought AB said the PI's did talk to the accusers. No one in the Brown's organization did but the PI's they hired did and relayed that to the Browns.

 

[BigJim®]

Deshaun Watson said it is not his intent to settle the 22 active civil suits. He wants to fight to clear his name.

Based on everything he's done over the past year, I'm starting to think this is true.

 

[Dez]

Some reporters are so stupid the one that just said "are you saying all 22 are lying what exactly happened"

Like he is going to be able to say what happened..........I mean WTF

 

[beer 30]

Some reporters are so stupid the one that just said "are you saying all 22 are lying what exactly happened"

Like he is going to be able to say what happened..........I mean WTF

Sure but dude will be all over social media saying he asked the hard hitting question and couldn't get a straight answer from Watson.

 

[Soulfly3]

bunch of losers thinking they're gonna get the smoking gun response. 

stick to football. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Some reporters are so stupid the one that just said "are you saying all 22 are lying what exactly happened"

Like he is going to be able to say what happened..........I mean WTF

On the flip side, guilty people in power publicly proclaim their innocence all the time.

Victims rarely take the mic at privately hosted press conferences.

Just sayin. What else do we expect Watson to do? “You’re gosh darn right I ordered the code red!!!”

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

bunch of losers thinking they're gonna get the smoking gun response. 

stick to football. 

Exactly. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

gosh darn

whoa - swear filter puttin in work on this one. I typed the actual quote. I’m not even mad, that’s impressive. 

 

[beer 30]

bunch of losers thinking they're gonna get the smoking gun response. 

stick to football. 

Not sure what line of questioning you were thinking would be voiced in his first presser but it's kinda what I expected. Yea there were a few stupid questions but I think you have to ask most of what the reporters asked or you're going to be accused of tossing softballs.

Besides, there ain't no football to talk to him about. He hasn't taken a snap as a Brown and sat out last year.

 

[Soulfly3]

Knowing he 100% can't talk about anything, and knowing he 100% isnt going to admit anything, you could just discuss other things, considering AB covered all that would be said. 

"are the women liars?" .... Cmon get that out of there. 

 

[Capella]

This exchange sums up all the work the browns did on this. Embarrassing display.
 

 https://twitter.com/nickijhabvala/status/1507414639595995139?s=21&t=5NAD-uRg-GstEbZlhyoN6w

 

[Capella]

Knowing he 100% can't talk about anything, and knowing he 100% isnt going to admit anything, you could just discuss other things, considering AB covered all that would be said. 

"are the women liars?" .... Cmon get that out of there. 

Well that would mean they aren’t journalists and are just fanboys of the team like you. That isn’t their job. Journalists ask questions no matter how much the person being interviewed plans to obfuscate. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This exchange sums up all the work the browns did on this. Embarrassing display.
 

 https://twitter.com/nickijhabvala/status/1507414639595995139?s=21&t=5NAD-uRg-GstEbZlhyoN6w

That exchange is, simply put, embarrassing for the Browns.  Moreover, from the responses, they are absolutely aware of that fact. 

 

[Soulfly3]

From NFL Now: The #Browns have been in contact with the NFL with regards to whether Deshaun Watson will be suspended. But it may be a while before a decision is made. https://t.co/9PkwCEou1H

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From NFL Now: The #Browns have been in contact with the NFL with regards to whether Deshaun Watson will be suspended. But it may be a while before a decision is made. https://t.co/9PkwCEou1H

Bro. We already knew they'd been in contact by the way his 2022 contract was designed. It's glaringly obvious that not only had they been in contact, but they likely have a very good idea of how long he'll be suspended for. 

 

[Capella]

That exchange is, simply put, embarrassing for the Browns.  Moreover, from the responses, they are absolutely aware of that fact. 

Cringed when I read it. Shocked they even held the press conference if that’s all they had to say. Would’ve been better off not saying anything. 

 

[-OZ-]

Some reporters are so stupid the one that just said "are you saying all 22 are lying what exactly happened"

Like he is going to be able to say what happened..........I mean WTF

It’s a statement in the form of a question. 

 

[Soulfly3]

Bro. We already knew they'd been in contact by the way his 2022 contract was designed. It's glaringly obvious that not only had they been in contact, but they likely have a very good idea of how long he'll be suspended for. 

It was tweeted by Rapsheet 2min ago. From on air, minutes ago. 

Just posting the news as it comes in 

 

[beer 30]

Cringed when I read it. Shocked they even held the press conference if that’s all they had to say. Would’ve been better off not saying anything. 

What were you expecting them to say?

"He did it...we all know that because 22 women have come forward but we're paying him $230 million regardless because he is a great QB and that trumps all."

 

[Gally]

Bro. We already knew they'd been in contact by the way his 2022 contract was designed. It's glaringly obvious that not only had they been in contact, but they likely have a very good idea of how long he'll be suspended for. 

Many large contracts are designed this way.  I believe Rodgers and Adams have similar payments with a minor payment in year 1.  It is not uncommon or just because he could be suspended.  

 

[-OZ-]

Anyone else looking forward to seeing NFL teams supporting National Sexual Assault Awareness month at the draft? 
“we’re aware “

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Many large contracts are designed this way.  I believe Rodgers and Adams have similar payments with a minor payment in year 1.  It is not uncommon or just because he could be suspended.  

It was discussed at length by Talking Heads when this contract was signed that it was unprecedented to see that amount of money converted to a signing bonus will h such a small salary in the first year.

 

[Soulfly3]

It was discussed at length by Talking Heads when this contract was signed that it was unprecedented to see that amount of money converted to a signing bonus will h such a small salary in the first year.

Is it unprecedented though? Isn't that what they did for Brady after deflategate, or was it different? (I genuinely dont kno, aside from Shannon saying it's exactly what happened)