QB for QB trades in dynasty (1 Viewer)

[Lash]

was interested in shark pool discussion on trading away an elite (but aging) QB for a younger up-and-coming QB, especially in the case that by the time your team is competitive that elite QB may have already lost most of his value

for example if you have Brady and yet your team is not gonna compete this year what young QB would you take for him in a 1 for 1 deal?

who would you trade Manning for 1 for 1?

who would you trade Vick for 1 for 1?

who would you trade Brees for 1 for 1?

 

[Spike]

A month (or so) ago I made the following trade:

I traded Aaron Rodgers and Brandon Marshall for Peyton Manning and the 2011 1.01 rookie pick.

Basically, I have a huge need at RB and feel Manning will be fine for the next 3-5 years. I was very solid at WR so I could do this and felt Ingram was the only real RB prospect.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Yeah, basically I wouldn't do this. Brady and Manning both have 3 more years at minimum. Bradford, Ryan, and Freeman would be the guys I'd be most interested, but I think I'd still need a little more on the other end.

Vick is an interesting addition because I think if you have him, your team is likely to be competitive (top 6 in a 12 team league). Only reason to sell him is if you deem the risk too high, which is completely different than the other 3 listed who have 0 risk but finite windows.

 

[Sweet Love]

I am not sure if I were the guy who had Brees, that I would trade him (assuming straightup) for Brady. If you put yourself in their shoes, you are basically giving them an older proven QB for one just slightly younger...and really, your examples are both younger and older than Brady (unless you are talking Eli).

I do think it makes sense if you are talking Eli or someone like that, but again, if we are strictly talking 1 for 1, I would not move Rivers or Rodgers for Brady. I think you may be able to get a Flacco or Ryan-type (depending on the need to win now of the trading partner), but anything better (even Rothlisberger) you most likely would not be able to swing.

If you want to get a bit riskier, you could try a trade for someone like Stafford, but I am not sure whether the owner would be inclined. I think the type of QB you will get in return is someone who has proven themselves on the field, but not "blown up" as of yet.

ETA: The risk with Flacco and Ryan for you is that they have "plateued" into 22-24 TD guys and you get a solid, 10-14 ranked QB, and never get any elite years out of him.

 

[Lash]

I am not sure if I were the guy who had Brees, that I would trade him (assuming straightup) for Brady. If you put yourself in their shoes, you are basically giving them an older proven QB for one just slightly younger...and really, your examples are both younger and older than Brady (unless you are talking Eli). I do think it makes sense if you are talking Eli or someone like that, but again, if we are strictly talking 1 for 1, I would not move Rivers or Rodgers for Brady. I think you may be able to get a Flacco or Ryan-type (depending on the need to win now of the trading partner), but anything better (even Rothlisberger) you most likely would not be able to swing.If you want to get a bit riskier, you could try a trade for someone like Stafford, but I am not sure whether the owner would be inclined. I think the type of QB you will get in return is someone who has proven themselves on the field, but not "blown up" as of yet.ETA: The risk with Flacco and Ryan for you is that they have "plateued" into 22-24 TD guys and you get a solid, 10-14 ranked QB, and never get any elite years out of him.

ok, no i meant each of those 4 "older" QBs trading for a younger, not for each othersorry for the confusion, i'll clean the OP up

 

[ZWK]

If I had Vick I'd trade him for Rivers. Vick has extra value in the short term from his running but is unlikely to retain that value for long (since we know how runners age), and Rivers is already an elite QB and should have several years left.

I might also trade Manning or Brady for Romo. Romo's not quite as elite, but he's 3 or 4 years younger. Roethlisberger and Schaub are similar to Romo, but I don't think I'd take either of them because I'm worried about the beating that Roethlisberger takes and Schaub's dependence on his situation (including an aging Andre Johnson).

But with up-and-coming QBs I don't see a 1-for-1 deal. I'd want to get something else in addition to a QB like Bradford, Freeman, or Ryan. The young guys could turn out to be Eli Mannings, and the older QBs like P. Manning and Brady are all likely to have a few elite years left, so they still have a good amount of value even to your team (unless you're already giving up on the next 3 seasons).

 

[Sweet Love]

I am not sure if I were the guy who had Brees, that I would trade him (assuming straightup) for Brady. If you put yourself in their shoes, you are basically giving them an older proven QB for one just slightly younger...and really, your examples are both younger and older than Brady (unless you are talking Eli). I do think it makes sense if you are talking Eli or someone like that, but again, if we are strictly talking 1 for 1, I would not move Rivers or Rodgers for Brady. I think you may be able to get a Flacco or Ryan-type (depending on the need to win now of the trading partner), but anything better (even Rothlisberger) you most likely would not be able to swing.If you want to get a bit riskier, you could try a trade for someone like Stafford, but I am not sure whether the owner would be inclined. I think the type of QB you will get in return is someone who has proven themselves on the field, but not "blown up" as of yet.ETA: The risk with Flacco and Ryan for you is that they have "plateued" into 22-24 TD guys and you get a solid, 10-14 ranked QB, and never get any elite years out of him.

ok, no i meant each of those 4 "older" QBs trading for a younger, not for each othersorry for the confusion, i'll clean the OP up

OK, that makes more sense. To answer, I would treat Manning (35) and Brady (34 )in one tier, and Brees (32) and Vick (31) in another tier (based on age at start of season). I could see Brady (for example) playing longer and at a higher level than Vick, but I will go with age in this case as my barometer). Assuming you have leaguemates that are really dedicated to the hobby, for Manning and Brady, I think you are looking at a trade at that Ryan, Eli and Flacco tier...sure I would explore Rodgers and Rivers, but I doubt you come away with one. I think for those two, you have to go the Eli, Ryan, Flacco route. I think if you are looking at the Brees/Vick tier, you only look at Rodgers and Rivers...again, not sure if you walk away with one. One interesting trade would be Vick for Roth. If I owned Vick, I would look into moving him for Roth who is two years younger. Both have taken their "licks", but I just see Roth having a longer career, not to mention the additional two years in age.

 

[FUBAR]

was interested in shark pool discussion on trading away an elite (but aging) QB for a younger up-and-coming QB, especially in the case that by the time your team is competitive that elite QB may have already lost most of his valuefor example if you have Brady and yet your team is not gonna compete this year what young QB would you take for him in a 1 for 1 deal?who would you trade Manning for 1 for 1? who would you trade Vick for 1 for 1?who would you trade Brees for 1 for 1?

1 for 1? Probably just Bradford, Romo, Ben, and Rivers. If I can get picks with the QB, Freeman, Ryan, and Flacco. I'm sure I'm missing some, depending on what else is included.

 

[Eastwood]

This isn't 1 for 1, but I recently traded Brees, Wells, and Starks for Rodgers, 1.6, and Jacoby Jones.

 

[gandalas]

At the end of last season, I went the opposite route - I traded Joe Flacco for a then-injured Tony Romo.

I just feel that Flacco will never really have a great chance at a long run of top-5 QB seasons, but Romo definitely does.

 

[TeamSnooki]

I'd hold Brees straight up over the young guys. He's not too old, has a bunch of weapons, and a coach who loves to throw the ball.

Peyton is really close to me. It would really depend on how far away I was from contending because I still think he has at least 2 or 3 years of being near the top.

I would trade Brady for the young guys that I like. For me, it's Ryan, Freeman, and Bradford.

Vick is tricky because so much of his value his tied to his running. I don't think he lasts a long time being as prolific as he was last year but he's still gonna be surrounded by a lot of weapons for a while. So even if he's not 2010 Vick, he can still be a good fantasy QB. I would look to trade for him a younger QB if I was in a deep rebuild but I think you can get more than just a young QB from a team who is trying to win this year.