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QB Jacoby Brissett, ARZ (1 Viewer)

Been waiting to see anything about where he ends up. NE has been the odds on favorite due to the OC connection.

The beauty of Brissett is you get a reasonable contract of $8-12M per year and a 1-3 year team friendly deal. The salary cap savings is huge vs signing say Kirk Cousins, or risking the dollars and contract scenarios a team will inherit with Fields or Wilson. You can really build/draft a solid team for the future while paying Brissett not so much. I see him as a fit in both NE and ATL.
 
ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler reports Patriots are expected to sign QB Jacoby Brissett.
Brissett started his career in New England, backing up Tom Brady during the former’s rookie season in 2016. The eight-year veteran journeyman would appear to have the inside track to a starting role with the Patriots after the franchise dealt away former first-round draft pick Mac Jones earlier in the day, clearly pending the team’s first-round selection in the 2024 NFL Draft. The other quarterbacks currently on the roster consist of Bailey Zappe and Nathan Rourke, neither of whom bring the level of experience to the table that Brissett does. Either way, the Patriots enter an era of clear rebuilding after the failed experiment with Jones and the departure of longtime head coach Bill Belichick.
 
Chad Graff
One week into camp, it continues to look like Jacoby Brissett will be the Patriots' starting QB Week 1.

Drake Maye's future is bright. All the traits are there. But Brissett entered with a lead in the race for QB1 and has been better so far.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Brissett has taken all of the starting reps during team periods and enjoyed his best practice of the summer Monday, going 10-of-11 with two sacks during competitive team periods. Drake Maye simultaneously suffered through his worst practice as a Patriot and produced one completion against two sacks during 11-on-11s. Not great.”
 
After the Pats go 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now
 
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After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
 
After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?
 
After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?
Not a great example. SF didn’t “need” Purdy at the time, you don’t take someone you need with the very last pick of the draft. You take a flier and see if he becomes anything. Though you can never have too much depth at QB as SF learned when both the guys ahead of Purdy on the depth chart went down to injury and they had no choice but to play him. Worked out in their favor, but it was a huge outlier. They moved on from Lance because Purdy did everything Shanahan wanted out of his QB and didn’t see enough improvement from Lance in his third training camp. Sunk cost.

A better example would’ve been the Cardinals drafting Rosen and then drafting Murray the following year. But even that is a questionable example now that I think about it because that was two different head coaches. Kingsbury wanted his guy and he went with the one he coached at A&M (Murray played a year there before transferring to Oklahoma).

Maye is Mayo’s handpicked guy and is going to be given a fair chance to prove himself. The difference between this and the 49ers example is the 49ers were in a Super Bowl contention window, and the Pats are very clearly in a rebuild. Expectations are as low as they’ve ever been at Gillette Stadium. There should be no rush to throw Maye to the wolves if he’s not ready this year, or if the offensive line is a mess. We’ve already seen how damaging it can be putting a young QB in an incomplete offense.

Unlike the Boston sports media (par for the course) I’m not panicking on a high upside rookie who is going to make mistakes while he works on fine tuning his mechanics and such. Brissett has his role (the starting quarterback this season and mentor to the future starting quarterback), and Maye has his role (watch and learn). I’m fine with that. As a fan I felt more urgency for the Pats to maximize their window while they still had Brady and Belichick. With both of them gone and no records to chase, I’m good with them just focusing on developing for the future. And Maye will be part of that future. They may still take another flier on a QB late (the Pats took one on Brady in 2000 when they already had Bledsoe as the highest paid player in the NFL), but it would take a lot for them to give up on Maye so prematurely.
 
After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?

*With Wolf in charge the Pats appear to be doing the Green Bay model which means they will probably be drafting a QB pretty regularly regardless of who is starting for them and how well they are playing...that is just smart business in today's NFL (the Pack were ahead of the curve)...the Pats used the #3 on Maye and also used a sixth-rounder on Joe Milton this year...Milton is the ultimate project and there is no downside to using a low pick on him...but make no mistake the future of the Pats is tied-up with Drake Maye unless we get another Tom Brady/Brock Purdy/Kirk Cousins situation which as we all know is more about luck than anything else.

*I took your original statement as using a draft pick with the intention of replacing Maye after one year which I 100% don't agree with.

*The microscope Drake Maye is currently under is an example of why Boston is one of the toughest (if not the toughest) cities to play in...right now he is being judged by every single play in camp and while it is foolish it is just how things are in this area and why you have seen many pro-players in every sport not able to hack it here...I'm not saying Maye can't handle this because so far he appears to be handling it well but it is something that puts added pressure on a potential franchise QB.

*IMO when Maye was drafted the Pats knew there was a very good chance he probably would not be starting for a while and there would be a good amount of development needed with him which is why a lot of the media coverage of him is pretty asinine/bordering on clickbait...the kid is 21 (will be 22 in this month...Penix is 24 and played 6 years of college ball and Daniels will be 24 in December and played 5 years of college ball and Bo Nix is 24 and played 5 years ), only played two years of college and in college didn't call his own plays and barely played under-center...anyone who is surprised he needs to be "developed' is coming to the party late or is uninformed...an x-factor here is the Pats O-line is not in good shape and it is a stretch to think it can max out as anything more than mediocre this year and due to that it is not an optimal situation to be putting a young QB behind.

*The Pats are not going to be good this year...I just don't see a path to any type of success with regard to wins and losses...if they got 6 wins that would be close to a miracle so if I had to guess right now I'll put them down for 4...besides not being good they are in a tough division and have a very difficult schedule...due to that I'm not concerned about wins and losses this year and I am judging this season on three things:

1-Drake Maye-he is the most important thing and there really isn't a close second...if he is legit than there is a future...I don't have a time-table for him getting on the field this season but he will play this year and once the gun sounds on the final game my hope is we are confident he is our franchise QB of the future...if that happens this season is a success and they will go into the off-season in a positive manner with most likely a very high draft pick (hello LT or legit #1 WR), a lot of cap space and optimism for the future.

2-This year's draft class...it appears that like his Dad with the Pack Wolf is committed to building this franchise thru draft and development (Greg Bedard has been spot-on about this from the get-go)...if players like Polk, Wallace, Baker and Robinson are legit that bodes very well for them...none of these guys were lay-up/can't miss picks so if they hit on these guys (or realistically at least a few of them) than as Pats fans we can trust Wolf's plan because it is one that appears to be built for the long-term and not a short-term splash so trust will be needed because we will probably need to be patient which is not a strong trait for most Boston fans...if these picks bomb things could get very ugly very quickly because they are already in a bad spot and a bad draft could make things even uglier.

3-Jerod Mayo as a HC-I honestly have no clue what to make of him...he appears to be very well-liked by the players, but you can definitely tell that like Drake Maye as a QB he is still very raw...what you see now and what you see by the end of the year could be two different things...at the end of the year if the Pats are playing tough and competitive, the locker-room is together with Mayo as their leader and we see the young players developing we'll know we can go forward with Mayo because I get the feeling with Mayo it is not going to take long to know whether he has it or not ...after over 2 decades of BB the Pats are being run totally different and while they absolutely needed to move on from BB (and were probably a year late) they are implementing a totally different culture and unlike the younger Patriot fans us older ones know what bad coaching looks like as we have seen some of the worst ever with guys like Rod Rust and **** McPherson.

My hope is that last year was the low-point and while this will be a difficult season it is the beginning of the future and not a continuation of last year's disaster.
 
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After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?
Not a great example. SF didn’t “need” Purdy at the time, you don’t take someone you need with the very last pick of the draft. You take a flier and see if he becomes anything. Though you can never have too much depth at QB as SF learned when both the guys ahead of Purdy on the depth chart went down to injury and they had no choice but to play him. Worked out in their favor, but it was a huge outlier. They moved on from Lance because Purdy did everything Shanahan wanted out of his QB and didn’t see enough improvement from Lance in his third training camp. Sunk cost.

A better example would’ve been the Cardinals drafting Rosen and then drafting Murray the following year. But even that is a questionable example now that I think about it because that was two different head coaches. Kingsbury wanted his guy and he went with the one he coached at A&M (Murray played a year there before transferring to Oklahoma).

Maye is Mayo’s handpicked guy and is going to be given a fair chance to prove himself. The difference between this and the 49ers example is the 49ers were in a Super Bowl contention window, and the Pats are very clearly in a rebuild. Expectations are as low as they’ve ever been at Gillette Stadium. There should be no rush to throw Maye to the wolves if he’s not ready this year, or if the offensive line is a mess. We’ve already seen how damaging it can be putting a young QB in an incomplete offense.

Unlike the Boston sports media (par for the course) I’m not panicking on a high upside rookie who is going to make mistakes while he works on fine tuning his mechanics and such. Brissett has his role (the starting quarterback this season and mentor to the future starting quarterback), and Maye has his role (watch and learn). I’m fine with that. As a fan I felt more urgency for the Pats to maximize their window while they still had Brady and Belichick. With both of them gone and no records to chase, I’m good with them just focusing on developing for the future. And Maye will be part of that future. They may still take another flier on a QB late (the Pats took one on Brady in 2000 when they already had Bledsoe as the highest paid player in the NFL), but it would take a lot for them to give up on Maye so prematurely.
I never said that's why SF picked Purdy, he wouldn't have seen the light of day initially but Lance stunk so much
Maybe things will look a little clearer when the season starts
But if you can't beat out Jacoby Brissett, you're probably not ready for the NFL and if you arrive that far behind, we've seen these scenarios before

Glad I could rile up the Patriots fan base.
I just said according to reports he doesn't look good vs Caleb Williams was the auto starter 15 days in, doesn't matter what Rypien did the other night

Actually it was a great example, Lance went No 3 overall, Maye No 3 overall 1-2-3, they can't all be good
Maye has identified himself so far as being a little behind the others, would you not agree? These are not the things you want to hear of your No 3 overall pick at QB
Maybe when he gets on the field in preseason things will change
 
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After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?

*With Wolf in charge the Pats appear to be doing the Green Bay model which means they will probably be drafting a QB pretty regularly regardless of who is starting for them and how well they are playing...that is just smart business in today's NFL (the Pack were ahead of the curve)...the Pats used the #3 on Maye and also used a sixth-rounder on Joe Milton this year...Milton is the ultimate project and there is no downside to using a low pick on him...but make no mistake the future of the Pats is tied-up with Drake Maye unless we get another Tom Brady/Brock Purdy/Kirk Cousins situation which as we all know is more about luck than anything else.

*I took your original statement as using a draft pick with the intention of replacing Maye after one year which I 100% don't agree with.

*The microscope Drake Maye is currently under is an example of why Boston is one of the toughest (if not the toughest) cities to play in...right now he is being judged by every single play in camp and while it is foolish it is just how things are in this area and why you have seen many pro-players in every sport not able to hack it here...I'm not saying Maye can't handle this because so far he appears to be handling it well but it is something that puts added pressure on a potential franchise QB.

*IMO when Maye was drafted the Pats knew there was a very good chance he probably would not be starting for a while and there would be a good amount of development needed with him which is why a lot of the media coverage of him is pretty asinine/bordering on clickbait...the kid is 21 (will be 22 in this month...Penix is 24 and played 6 years of college ball and Daniels will be 24 in December and played 5 years of college ball and Bo Nix is 24 and played 5 years ), only played two years of college and in college didn't call his own plays and barely played under-center...anyone who is surprised he needs to be "developed' is coming to the party late or is uninformed...an x-factor here is the Pats O-line is not in good shape and it is a stretch to think it can max out as anything more than mediocre this year and due to that it is not an optimal situation to be putting a young QB behind.

*The Pats are not going to be good this year...I just don't see a path to any type of success with regard to wins and losses...if they got 6 wins that would be close to a miracle so if I had to guess right now I'll put them down for 4...besides not being good they are in a tough division and have a very difficult schedule...due to that I'm not concerned about wins and losses this year and I am judging this season on three things:

1-Drake Maye-he is the most important thing and there really isn't a close second...if he is legit than there is a future...I don't have a time-table for him getting on the field this season but he will play this year and once the gun sounds on the final game my hope is we are confident he is our franchise QB of the future...if that happens this season is a success and they will go into the off-season in a positive manner with most likely a very high draft pick (hello LT or legit #1 WR), a lot of cap space and optimism for the future.

2-This year's draft class...it appears that like his Dad with the Pack Wolf is committed to building this franchise thru draft and development (Greg Bedard has been spot-on about this from the get-go)...if players like Polk, Wallace, Baker and Robinson are legit that bodes very well for them...none of these guys were lay-up/can't miss picks so if they hit on these guys (or realistically at least a few of them) than as Pats fans we can trust Wolf's plan because it is one that appears to be built for the long-term and not a short-term splash so trust will be needed because we will probably need to be patient which is not a strong trait for most Boston fans...if these picks bomb things could get very ugly very quickly because they are already in a bad spot and a bad draft could make things even uglier.

3-Jerod Mayo as a HC-I honestly have no clue what to make of him...he appears to be very well-liked by the players, but you can definitely tell that like Drake Maye as a QB he is still very raw...what you see now and what you see by the end of the year could be two different things...at the end of the year if the Pats are playing tough and competitive, the locker-room is together with Mayo as their leader and we see the young players developing we'll know we can go forward with Mayo because I get the feeling with Mayo it is not going to take long to know whether he has it or not ...after over 2 decades of BB the Pats are being run totally different and while they absolutely needed to move on from BB (and were probably a year late) they are implementing a totally different culture and unlike the younger Patriot fans us older ones know what bad coaching looks like as we have seen some of the worst ever with guys like Rod Rust and **** McPherson.

My hope is that last year was the low-point and while this will be a difficult season it is the beginning of the future and not a continuation of last year's disaster.
Very nice post
Thank You
 
After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?
Not a great example. SF didn’t “need” Purdy at the time, you don’t take someone you need with the very last pick of the draft. You take a flier and see if he becomes anything. Though you can never have too much depth at QB as SF learned when both the guys ahead of Purdy on the depth chart went down to injury and they had no choice but to play him. Worked out in their favor, but it was a huge outlier. They moved on from Lance because Purdy did everything Shanahan wanted out of his QB and didn’t see enough improvement from Lance in his third training camp. Sunk cost.

A better example would’ve been the Cardinals drafting Rosen and then drafting Murray the following year. But even that is a questionable example now that I think about it because that was two different head coaches. Kingsbury wanted his guy and he went with the one he coached at A&M (Murray played a year there before transferring to Oklahoma).

Maye is Mayo’s handpicked guy and is going to be given a fair chance to prove himself. The difference between this and the 49ers example is the 49ers were in a Super Bowl contention window, and the Pats are very clearly in a rebuild. Expectations are as low as they’ve ever been at Gillette Stadium. There should be no rush to throw Maye to the wolves if he’s not ready this year, or if the offensive line is a mess. We’ve already seen how damaging it can be putting a young QB in an incomplete offense.

Unlike the Boston sports media (par for the course) I’m not panicking on a high upside rookie who is going to make mistakes while he works on fine tuning his mechanics and such. Brissett has his role (the starting quarterback this season and mentor to the future starting quarterback), and Maye has his role (watch and learn). I’m fine with that. As a fan I felt more urgency for the Pats to maximize their window while they still had Brady and Belichick. With both of them gone and no records to chase, I’m good with them just focusing on developing for the future. And Maye will be part of that future. They may still take another flier on a QB late (the Pats took one on Brady in 2000 when they already had Bledsoe as the highest paid player in the NFL), but it would take a lot for them to give up on Maye so prematurely.
I never said that's why SF picked Purdy, he wouldn't have seen the light of day initially but Lance stunk so much
Maybe things will look a little clearer when the season starts
But if you can't beat out Jacoby Brissett, you're probably not ready for the NFL and if you arrive that far behind, we've seen these scenarios before

Glad I could riles up the Patriots fan base.
I just said according to reports he doesn't look good vs Caleb Williams was the auto starter 15 days i, doesn't matter what Rypien did the other night

Actually it was great example, Lance went No 3 overall, Maye No 3 overall 1-2-3, they can't all be good
Maye has identified himself so far as being a little behind the others, would you not agree? These are not the things you want to hear of your No 3 overall pick at QB
Maybe when he gets on the field in preseason things will change
Purdy saw the light of day because both Lance and Garoppolo got season-ending injuries. Lance was even more raw than Maye is right now when Lance was the Week 1 starter in 2022. But the 49ers still waited a year before putting him in that position, he had to hold the clipboard for Garoppolo in 2021. But the 49ers were eager to replace Garoppolo and to see what they got from the QB they gave up two extra 1st rounders for. Lance wasn’t benched in 2022 for performance, he got a season-ending injury. Garoppolo (the guy Lance was replacing) came in and did a solid job until he too got injured. It was then and only then that Purdy got his chance to show what he could do and he never looked back.

The offensive line is still a hot mess. I think even if Maye was ready to lead the offense in Week 1 I’d rather let him sit because I don’t want to see him get killed the same way Mac Jones was. Not a whole lot you can do as a quarterback when you don’t have much time to throw. The Pats didn’t start the same five guys on the OL for back to back weeks all season last year, whether it was because of injuries or performance. When there is no cohesion and no consistency on the OL you’re doomed. Right now Onwenu is the only guy on the OL worth anything. Okorafor is a career backup swing who’s never started at LT before but is being asked to this year. Strange is a JAG that got overdrafted by BB and is currently injured. Andrews is an undersized C who I’d say is probably in the bottom third of NFL starters at the position. Sow is still a prospect who didn’t look great as a rookie. And they have Wallace and Robinson as developmental guys. All in all it’s not the most inspiring situation for a rookie QB to be in.

I knew I was responding to a Dolphins fan here but I still assume you’re discussing in good faith. I have respect for you. But don’t worry you’re not riling me up, I’m just inviting you to look at it from my perspective as to why I think it’s okay for Brissett to be ahead of Maye this season. It’s actually a bit selfish of me because I know Brissett is going to get clobbered, but I figure better him than Maye while the team tries to give the OL an identity. As a Dolphins fan you should be licking your chops at the prospect of, well, whatever pass rush you guys have, swimming through this OL with ease. It’s going to be a rough year in New England and I’m okay with Brissett taking the lumps, but it’s because he’s a pro and can handle it. None of us know what Maye is just yet, and as excited as I am to find out, I’m not in a hurry.
 
After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?
Not a great example. SF didn’t “need” Purdy at the time, you don’t take someone you need with the very last pick of the draft. You take a flier and see if he becomes anything. Though you can never have too much depth at QB as SF learned when both the guys ahead of Purdy on the depth chart went down to injury and they had no choice but to play him. Worked out in their favor, but it was a huge outlier. They moved on from Lance because Purdy did everything Shanahan wanted out of his QB and didn’t see enough improvement from Lance in his third training camp. Sunk cost.

A better example would’ve been the Cardinals drafting Rosen and then drafting Murray the following year. But even that is a questionable example now that I think about it because that was two different head coaches. Kingsbury wanted his guy and he went with the one he coached at A&M (Murray played a year there before transferring to Oklahoma).

Maye is Mayo’s handpicked guy and is going to be given a fair chance to prove himself. The difference between this and the 49ers example is the 49ers were in a Super Bowl contention window, and the Pats are very clearly in a rebuild. Expectations are as low as they’ve ever been at Gillette Stadium. There should be no rush to throw Maye to the wolves if he’s not ready this year, or if the offensive line is a mess. We’ve already seen how damaging it can be putting a young QB in an incomplete offense.

Unlike the Boston sports media (par for the course) I’m not panicking on a high upside rookie who is going to make mistakes while he works on fine tuning his mechanics and such. Brissett has his role (the starting quarterback this season and mentor to the future starting quarterback), and Maye has his role (watch and learn). I’m fine with that. As a fan I felt more urgency for the Pats to maximize their window while they still had Brady and Belichick. With both of them gone and no records to chase, I’m good with them just focusing on developing for the future. And Maye will be part of that future. They may still take another flier on a QB late (the Pats took one on Brady in 2000 when they already had Bledsoe as the highest paid player in the NFL), but it would take a lot for them to give up on Maye so prematurely.
I never said that's why SF picked Purdy, he wouldn't have seen the light of day initially but Lance stunk so much
Maybe things will look a little clearer when the season starts
But if you can't beat out Jacoby Brissett, you're probably not ready for the NFL and if you arrive that far behind, we've seen these scenarios before

Glad I could riles up the Patriots fan base.
I just said according to reports he doesn't look good vs Caleb Williams was the auto starter 15 days i, doesn't matter what Rypien did the other night

Actually it was great example, Lance went No 3 overall, Maye No 3 overall 1-2-3, they can't all be good
Maye has identified himself so far as being a little behind the others, would you not agree? These are not the things you want to hear of your No 3 overall pick at QB
Maybe when he gets on the field in preseason things will change
Purdy saw the light of day because both Lance and Garoppolo got season-ending injuries. Lance was even more raw than Maye is right now when Lance was the Week 1 starter in 2022. But the 49ers still waited a year before putting him in that position, he had to hold the clipboard for Garoppolo in 2021. But the 49ers were eager to replace Garoppolo and to see what they got from the QB they gave up two extra 1st rounders for. Lance wasn’t benched in 2022 for performance, he got a season-ending injury. Garoppolo (the guy Lance was replacing) came in and did a solid job until he too got injured. It was then and only then that Purdy got his chance to show what he could do and he never looked back.

The offensive line is still a hot mess. I think even if Maye was ready to lead the offense in Week 1 I’d rather let him sit because I don’t want to see him get killed the same way Mac Jones was. Not a whole lot you can do as a quarterback when you don’t have much time to throw. The Pats didn’t start the same five guys on the OL for back to back weeks all season last year, whether it was because of injuries or performance. When there is no cohesion and no consistency on the OL you’re doomed. Right now Onwenu is the only guy on the OL worth anything. Okorafor is a career backup swing who’s never started at LT before but is being asked to this year. Strange is a JAG that got overdrafted by BB and is currently injured. Andrews is an undersized C who I’d say is probably in the bottom third of NFL starters at the position. Sow is still a prospect who didn’t look great as a rookie. And they have Wallace and Robinson as developmental guys. All in all it’s not the most inspiring situation for a rookie QB to be in.

I knew I was responding to a Dolphins fan here but I still assume you’re discussing in good faith. I have respect for you. But don’t worry you’re not riling me up, I’m just inviting you to look at it from my perspective as to why I think it’s okay for Brissett to be ahead of Maye this season. It’s actually a bit selfish of me because I know Brissett is going to get clobbered, but I figure better him than Maye while the team tries to give the OL an identity. As a Dolphins fan you should be licking your chops at the prospect of, well, whatever pass rush you guys have, swimming through this OL with ease. It’s going to be a rough year in New England and I’m okay with Brissett taking the lumps, but it’s because he’s a pro and can handle it. None of us know what Maye is just yet, and as excited as I am to find out, I’m not in a hurry.

Also, while Maye is the most important player on the Pats if he's not ready they're better off playing Jacoby because they still need to develop players like Polk, Baker, Pop and Bell as well as giving Van Pelt the opportunity to make this offense at least look competent as opposed to last year where it looked like a bad ACC offense...it will be so much better for Maye to take over an offense that isn't a total mess...on a good note it has been nothing but positive news for Pop-Polk-Baker...my guess is none of them will end up being a #1 but they could be a quality young group of #2-#4's (or however you want to look at it) that will be a legit #1away from being a very good unit that will grow with Maye.
 
After the Pats got 1-3, then 2-7, it won't take long for them to come out and at least try Maye or they're gonna have to try and get another QB in the '25 Draft

-It doesn't sound very good right now...maybe the Pats will rally around Brissett and just buid around him but that doesn't sounds like a winning formula for them
I think they should be trying to get another top pick next year, not going anywhere in '24. Jets, Bills ad even the Phins are just better in the personnel department right now

Why would the Pats be looking for another QB in 2025 after taking Maye at #3 in 2024?
Why did San Fran need Purdy after they took Lance #3

-It's a good question but if they see Maye isn't gonna make it as an NFL QB, don't think they want Brissett being the starter next year if they can help it
What are you expecting for total wins this year?
Not a great example. SF didn’t “need” Purdy at the time, you don’t take someone you need with the very last pick of the draft. You take a flier and see if he becomes anything. Though you can never have too much depth at QB as SF learned when both the guys ahead of Purdy on the depth chart went down to injury and they had no choice but to play him. Worked out in their favor, but it was a huge outlier. They moved on from Lance because Purdy did everything Shanahan wanted out of his QB and didn’t see enough improvement from Lance in his third training camp. Sunk cost.

A better example would’ve been the Cardinals drafting Rosen and then drafting Murray the following year. But even that is a questionable example now that I think about it because that was two different head coaches. Kingsbury wanted his guy and he went with the one he coached at A&M (Murray played a year there before transferring to Oklahoma).

Maye is Mayo’s handpicked guy and is going to be given a fair chance to prove himself. The difference between this and the 49ers example is the 49ers were in a Super Bowl contention window, and the Pats are very clearly in a rebuild. Expectations are as low as they’ve ever been at Gillette Stadium. There should be no rush to throw Maye to the wolves if he’s not ready this year, or if the offensive line is a mess. We’ve already seen how damaging it can be putting a young QB in an incomplete offense.

Unlike the Boston sports media (par for the course) I’m not panicking on a high upside rookie who is going to make mistakes while he works on fine tuning his mechanics and such. Brissett has his role (the starting quarterback this season and mentor to the future starting quarterback), and Maye has his role (watch and learn). I’m fine with that. As a fan I felt more urgency for the Pats to maximize their window while they still had Brady and Belichick. With both of them gone and no records to chase, I’m good with them just focusing on developing for the future. And Maye will be part of that future. They may still take another flier on a QB late (the Pats took one on Brady in 2000 when they already had Bledsoe as the highest paid player in the NFL), but it would take a lot for them to give up on Maye so prematurely.
I never said that's why SF picked Purdy, he wouldn't have seen the light of day initially but Lance stunk so much
Maybe things will look a little clearer when the season starts
But if you can't beat out Jacoby Brissett, you're probably not ready for the NFL and if you arrive that far behind, we've seen these scenarios before

Glad I could riles up the Patriots fan base.
I just said according to reports he doesn't look good vs Caleb Williams was the auto starter 15 days i, doesn't matter what Rypien did the other night

Actually it was great example, Lance went No 3 overall, Maye No 3 overall 1-2-3, they can't all be good
Maye has identified himself so far as being a little behind the others, would you not agree? These are not the things you want to hear of your No 3 overall pick at QB
Maybe when he gets on the field in preseason things will change
Purdy saw the light of day because both Lance and Garoppolo got season-ending injuries. Lance was even more raw than Maye is right now when Lance was the Week 1 starter in 2022. But the 49ers still waited a year before putting him in that position, he had to hold the clipboard for Garoppolo in 2021. But the 49ers were eager to replace Garoppolo and to see what they got from the QB they gave up two extra 1st rounders for. Lance wasn’t benched in 2022 for performance, he got a season-ending injury. Garoppolo (the guy Lance was replacing) came in and did a solid job until he too got injured. It was then and only then that Purdy got his chance to show what he could do and he never looked back.

The offensive line is still a hot mess. I think even if Maye was ready to lead the offense in Week 1 I’d rather let him sit because I don’t want to see him get killed the same way Mac Jones was. Not a whole lot you can do as a quarterback when you don’t have much time to throw. The Pats didn’t start the same five guys on the OL for back to back weeks all season last year, whether it was because of injuries or performance. When there is no cohesion and no consistency on the OL you’re doomed. Right now Onwenu is the only guy on the OL worth anything. Okorafor is a career backup swing who’s never started at LT before but is being asked to this year. Strange is a JAG that got overdrafted by BB and is currently injured. Andrews is an undersized C who I’d say is probably in the bottom third of NFL starters at the position. Sow is still a prospect who didn’t look great as a rookie. And they have Wallace and Robinson as developmental guys. All in all it’s not the most inspiring situation for a rookie QB to be in.

I knew I was responding to a Dolphins fan here but I still assume you’re discussing in good faith. I have respect for you. But don’t worry you’re not riling me up, I’m just inviting you to look at it from my perspective as to why I think it’s okay for Brissett to be ahead of Maye this season. It’s actually a bit selfish of me because I know Brissett is going to get clobbered, but I figure better him than Maye while the team tries to give the OL an identity. As a Dolphins fan you should be licking your chops at the prospect of, well, whatever pass rush you guys have, swimming through this OL with ease. It’s going to be a rough year in New England and I’m okay with Brissett taking the lumps, but it’s because he’s a pro and can handle it. None of us know what Maye is just yet, and as excited as I am to find out, I’m not in a hurry.
My apologies if I was disrespectful in any way, mutual admiration, you are a great poster and I've been reading you for years
Great post back, thank you for taking the time
:thumbup:
 
Mike Reiss
The Patriots announce that QB Jacoby Brissett sustained a right shoulder injury tonight. While the plan was for him to play 1-2 series, his official designation is questionable, via the team.
 
Zack Cox
Jacoby Brissett's shoulder injury is going to be a storyline coming out of this game, but the fact that he's still hanging out on the sideline in pads is an encouraging sign. Doesn't appear to be anything major.
 
Did Jerod Mayo tip his hand on Patriots' starting QB decision?

Excerpt:

That sounds a lot like Brissett will be the team's Week 1 starter. Here's why:

When the Patriots took Maye third overall in the 2024 NFL Draft, they knew he was a long-term project who had high upside but required development. De facto general manager Eliot Wolf stressed that New England would be a "draft and develop" team, while Mayo insisted earlier in training camp that Brissett was the No. 1 QB, with the rookie learning behind the veteran.

When Mayo says the Patriots are "building something special," that appears to be a reference to Maye's long-term potential, which the team could jeopardize by starting the rookie QB right away behind a porous offensive line. So, while fans might clamor for Maye to start after his strong preseason finale against the Washington Commanders, Mayo could be inferring it's still in the team's best interest to start an experienced veteran like Brissett instead of rushing the rookie into action.

We'll find out for sure whether Brissett or Maye gets the job later this week, but either way, Mayo is taking full accountability.

"I don't think I have to explain it to anyone else," Mayo said. "It's my decision, and if it doesn't work, blame me."
 
Here's what Mayo said this morning in a hastily put together press conference that was not originally scheduled:

"We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett will be our starting quarterback this season. Now in saying that - as an organization, we're 100% behind Jacoby. There is no, you know, 'You got a guy right here, you got a guy right there.' We're 100% behind Jacoby, and I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately, and also together. And I feel like we're all on the same page from an organizational perspective."

Q: What ultimately led them to choosing Brissett over Maye?

"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice. I think, you know the hard part is, thinking in the short term and the long term at the same time. As an organization, though, we feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win right now."

Q: You said Brissett will be the starting quarterback "this season." Does this mean there's no possibility of Maye starting in 2024?

"I don't wanna get into hypotheticals. You know, we can't go into the season saying, 'Well he's gonna go X amount of weeks.' Like, look, as long as Jacoby's going out there and performing the way that we all have confidence in him doing, he'll be our quarterback this season."

This special presser last under 90 seconds, and that was a recap of the entire thing. I believe there aren't any practices or team activities until next week, so there won't be access to anyone until then.
This is what Mayo said this morning, and people are wondering if he actually means that Brissett will be the starter for THIS SEASON in its entirety. He could have said "for now," "for Week 1 against the Bengals," "to start the season," or not add anything beyond they are rolling with Jacoby. But he didn't. Talk radio has been all over this angle this morning so far.
 
wonder if he phrased it that way just to minimize the distraction of being asked about it every week.
New in town? Have you seen how the Boston media operates? Mayo has tried to be the anti-Bill and has expressed he wants to be more transparent. He is going to hear about it every single time he has media access. I believe he has a Tuesday morning weekly radio interview coming up, and they are already licking their chops to grill him on it. It's going to remain the 800-pound gorilla in the room until Maye starts. The Pats have a tough start to the season scheduling wise, and as they continue to go 0-for whatever record wise as the weeks pass by, the calls for Maye will only get louder. At some point, the natives may threaten to take to torches and pitchforks to storm and overturn the castle.
 
Here's what Mayo said this morning in a hastily put together press conference that was not originally scheduled:

"We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett will be our starting quarterback this season. Now in saying that - as an organization, we're 100% behind Jacoby. There is no, you know, 'You got a guy right here, you got a guy right there.' We're 100% behind Jacoby, and I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately, and also together. And I feel like we're all on the same page from an organizational perspective."

Q: What ultimately led them to choosing Brissett over Maye?

"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice. I think, you know the hard part is, thinking in the short term and the long term at the same time. As an organization, though, we feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win right now."

Q: You said Brissett will be the starting quarterback "this season." Does this mean there's no possibility of Maye starting in 2024?

"I don't wanna get into hypotheticals. You know, we can't go into the season saying, 'Well he's gonna go X amount of weeks.' Like, look, as long as Jacoby's going out there and performing the way that we all have confidence in him doing, he'll be our quarterback this season."

This special presser last under 90 seconds, and that was a recap of the entire thing. I believe there aren't any practices or team activities until next week, so there won't be access to anyone until then.
This is what Mayo said this morning, and people are wondering if he actually means that Brissett will be the starter for THIS SEASON in its entirety. He could have said "for now," "for Week 1 against the Bengals," "to start the season," or not add anything beyond they are rolling with Jacoby. But he didn't. Talk radio has been all over this angle this morning so far.
"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice"
-Mayo

No **** Sherlock, we want to know what those things were exactly...we get inside access now on Hard Knocks, stop being vague, what exactly is Brissett better at?
Does he have a better arm than Maye? Is he faster or nore nimble? Does he watch film a lot better than Maye which helps Brissett go thru his reads quicker? Is he a better locker room guy right now because Maye doesn't have the maturity? Tell US! :lol:
 
Here's what Mayo said this morning in a hastily put together press conference that was not originally scheduled:

"We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett will be our starting quarterback this season. Now in saying that - as an organization, we're 100% behind Jacoby. There is no, you know, 'You got a guy right here, you got a guy right there.' We're 100% behind Jacoby, and I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately, and also together. And I feel like we're all on the same page from an organizational perspective."

Q: What ultimately led them to choosing Brissett over Maye?

"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice. I think, you know the hard part is, thinking in the short term and the long term at the same time. As an organization, though, we feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win right now."

Q: You said Brissett will be the starting quarterback "this season." Does this mean there's no possibility of Maye starting in 2024?

"I don't wanna get into hypotheticals. You know, we can't go into the season saying, 'Well he's gonna go X amount of weeks.' Like, look, as long as Jacoby's going out there and performing the way that we all have confidence in him doing, he'll be our quarterback this season."

This special presser last under 90 seconds, and that was a recap of the entire thing. I believe there aren't any practices or team activities until next week, so there won't be access to anyone until then.
This is what Mayo said this morning, and people are wondering if he actually means that Brissett will be the starter for THIS SEASON in its entirety. He could have said "for now," "for Week 1 against the Bengals," "to start the season," or not add anything beyond they are rolling with Jacoby. But he didn't. Talk radio has been all over this angle this morning so far.
"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice"
-Mayo

No **** Sherlock, we want to know what those things were exactly...we get inside access now on Hard Knocks, stop being vague, what exactly is Brissett better at?
Does he have a better arm than Maye? Is he faster or nore nimble? Does he watch film a lot better than Maye which helps Brissett go thru his reads quicker? Is he a better locker room guy right now because Maye doesn't have the maturity? Tell US! :lol:

The main factor is the Pats O (specifically the O line) could be such a mess that they don't want to expose Maye to it because it could hinder his development which so far appears to be going quite well...since Mayo can't really say that out-loud he will say something like he did.
 
Did Jerod Mayo tip his hand on Patriots' starting QB decision?

Excerpt:

That sounds a lot like Brissett will be the team's Week 1 starter. Here's why:

When the Patriots took Maye third overall in the 2024 NFL Draft, they knew he was a long-term project who had high upside but required development. De facto general manager Eliot Wolf stressed that New England would be a "draft and develop" team, while Mayo insisted earlier in training camp that Brissett was the No. 1 QB, with the rookie learning behind the veteran.

When Mayo says the Patriots are "building something special," that appears to be a reference to Maye's long-term potential, which the team could jeopardize by starting the rookie QB right away behind a porous offensive line. So, while fans might clamor for Maye to start after his strong preseason finale against the Washington Commanders, Mayo could be inferring it's still in the team's best interest to start an experienced veteran like Brissett instead of rushing the rookie into action.

We'll find out for sure whether Brissett or Maye gets the job later this week, but either way, Mayo is taking full accountability.

"I don't think I have to explain it to anyone else," Mayo said. "It's my decision, and if it doesn't work, blame me."

Here's what Mayo said this morning in a hastily put together press conference that was not originally scheduled:

"We have decided, or I have decided, that Jacoby Brissett will be our starting quarterback this season. Now in saying that - as an organization, we're 100% behind Jacoby. There is no, you know, 'You got a guy right here, you got a guy right there.' We're 100% behind Jacoby, and I had an opportunity to talk to Drake. I had an opportunity to talk to Jacoby separately, and also together. And I feel like we're all on the same page from an organizational perspective."

Q: What ultimately led them to choosing Brissett over Maye?

"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice. I think, you know the hard part is, thinking in the short term and the long term at the same time. As an organization, though, we feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win right now."

Q: You said Brissett will be the starting quarterback "this season." Does this mean there's no possibility of Maye starting in 2024?

"I don't wanna get into hypotheticals. You know, we can't go into the season saying, 'Well he's gonna go X amount of weeks.' Like, look, as long as Jacoby's going out there and performing the way that we all have confidence in him doing, he'll be our quarterback this season."

This special presser last under 90 seconds, and that was a recap of the entire thing. I believe there aren't any practices or team activities until next week, so there won't be access to anyone until then.
This is what Mayo said this morning, and people are wondering if he actually means that Brissett will be the starter for THIS SEASON in its entirety. He could have said "for now," "for Week 1 against the Bengals," "to start the season," or not add anything beyond they are rolling with Jacoby. But he didn't. Talk radio has been all over this angle this morning so far.
"There were a lot of factors that led to this choice"
-Mayo

No **** Sherlock, we want to know what those things were exactly...we get inside access now on Hard Knocks, stop being vague, what exactly is Brissett better at?
Does he have a better arm than Maye? Is he faster or nore nimble? Does he watch film a lot better than Maye which helps Brissett go thru his reads quicker? Is he a better locker room guy right now because Maye doesn't have the maturity? Tell US! :lol:

The main factor is the Pats O (specifically the O line) could be such a mess that they don't want to expose Maye to it because it could hinder his development which so far appears to be going quite well...since Mayo can't really say that out-loud he will say something like he did.
They make the Offensive Line into an act of Mother Nature, as if they had no idea or control over their poor Offensive Line
We don't want to send Drake out into the storm like the Weather Channel sends TV meteorologists out into the Hurricanes
 
Taylor Kyles
Per PFF, Jacoby Brissett has the 8th-lowest pressure-to-sack rate behind an OL that's 31st in pressure rate allowed

He did most of his damage on the ground vs Cincy, but bought time to find Hunter Henry vs the Seahawks

The vet deserves a lot of credit for keeping drives alive
 
Across all NFL teams the past 10 years, the 2024 Patriots have the fewest combined passing yards to wide receivers through 2 games (85 yards). As in ranked 320th out of 320 teams. Brissett deserves credit for hanging in there, taking hits, and avoiding sacks. But the NE offense looks like a run heavy college team right now.
 
Across all NFL teams the past 10 years, the 2024 Patriots have the fewest combined passing yards to wide receivers through 2 games (85 yards). As in ranked 320th out of 320 teams. Brissett deserves credit for hanging in there, taking hits, and avoiding sacks. But the NE offense looks like a run heavy college team right now.
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Across all NFL teams the past 10 years, the 2024 Patriots have the fewest combined passing yards to wide receivers through 2 games (85 yards). As in ranked 320th out of 320 teams. Brissett deserves credit for hanging in there, taking hits, and avoiding sacks. But the NE offense looks like a run heavy college team right now.
What is your impression of Drake Maye?
 

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