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1. They want him to commit long term eventually. Doing it this year would be WAY cheaper than doing it next year after other QBs get huge deals (Burrow, etc). And WAY WAY Cheaper than doing it after they franchise him in 2024.
I guess the point is, he has no leverage to get the kind of deal he would get if he was a free agent. He makes 4 million this year.
Maybe true that there's not much leverage he has, but QB deals these days seem to be less about negotiating, and more about just what the 'going rate" is.
Right, I'm not saying wait, I'm just saying the team has actual leverage and should not have to sign him to the top deal. His salary this year has to play a factor in negotiations
I saw others reply, I also wanted to respond.
Think about it...These individuals/athletes/celebrity get access to better returns on their investments, I bet they can avg 12-18% if they allow financial planners connected to their agents to manage their money. Double digit returns can double your money in 4-5 years. You take $25M and turn it into $50M and then $100M the next 4-5 years, there is some short sighted thinking sometimes when they get greedy and hold out.
Seems a bit farfetched to say this. Jacoby Brissett had a similar success rate on that play.
I am willing to listen, but lets be real, Jalen is one of the most *powerful* QB's the league has ever seen, from a strength standpoint.
Because you want your franchise QB who just led you to a SB, had a near MVP season and is extremely respected in the locker room to be happy. You don’t antagonize him by underpaying him and not committing to him.
Antagonize him? I'm pretty sure they can figure out a way to make the guy happy without paying top dollar when they don't need to, and without antagonizing him.
The biggest leverage is time. I mean look at what Dak could have signed for and what he eventually signed for. Every big time QB "Should" be resetting the market a little, so do you want to be at the beginning of that line or near the end?
I can't see a scenario where this every happens. He's not built like that.
And yet other teams have done the very thing you are suggesting teams not do...upsetting the QB and locker room.
They lowballed him on the annual amount and he'd be a fool to take that many years, even if you guaranteed it all.
I'm thinking 5/250 but if its 265 I won't be mad, ain't my money.
LOL!!! Well If there was any debate regarding the most overatted player in the NFL you just made it a unanimous decision ... maybe even a tko !!!
My thinking is if Philly knew Hurts would take this deal with similar guarantees as Wilson/Murray and what Lamar was offered, so in the 67-68% range they would be happy to sign him. I also think Philly would prefer to go 6/300 and Jalen would prefer 4/200 and that might be the biggest holdup to the deal getting done, unless Jalen tried to hold his ground like Lamar and start making full guarantees his focus the major thing to negotiate will be the years and structure.
Where do you think the NFL players will "Rate" him when the NFL Top 100 comes out? Who is right now "overrating" him, the guy who finished behind only Mahomes for MVP?
Please explain what exactly would be a fair offer to a 24 year old MVP runner up QB that doesn't involve paying top dollar? Why are we worrying about his ego ballooning when he is paid and then him not playing well? I don't think I have ever heard that argument presented as a reason not to sign a star QB.
Even the best QBs in the League are only as good as the team around them
So where do you think the players will have him ranked in the TOP 100 when it comes out, compared to Dak?
Yeah since ya know, they weren't in the playoffs until he became the full time starter these last 2 years. So going from "not" in the playoffs to being in the Super Bowl 2 years later is worse....Its not a real opinion its a very lame troll attempt haha
I wonder if we see more teams try it out- offer a long contract with a large overall guarantee. Some players would likely sacrifice per year potential if they know they have a long term commitment with a massive overall value.
Then you also shouldn't think he would be "antagonized"
Put Dak, Jacoby Brissett, Kirk Cousins, Tannehill, Goff on the Eagles and they are going to and losing the SB
Not my words. We saw what happened in the Dak negotiations when they tried to be cute, despite a large people of saying "Dak>>>Wentz" yet when Wentz signed a deal, along w Goff, the Cowboys delayed and it cost them cap room in the end. So thats what I want to "not happen" to the Eagles. So your initial question was "How does he have leverage" this should answer it. Its only gonna get more expensive as time goes without signing him...
I think most of these guys are seeking the 4 to 5 year deals, but the teams would love a Mahomes-type deal to sign them into. Guys like Watson and Murray used all their leverage and cashed out big, but at what price to their respective team's chances of success going forward?
Where do you think the players will have him ranked when the Top 100 comes out? You seem to be avoiding this discussion.
I think there is a chance a mobile physical QB like a Lamar or Hurts could be tempted by a larger guarantee from a longer term deal but obviously pure speculation on my part.
This is ridiculous. Being insulted isn't the same as being rewarded. If my job were to offer me an insulting amount of money or be unwilling to pay me my value, I would be pissed after all I've invested with them and I would surely start to look for another job. If my employer offered me a huge raise, I would feel respected and it would strengthen my commitment. I wouldn't take it as a reason to loaf off. These reactions have no relation to each other.
Speculation or not, I think you might be correct when all is said and done. Time will tell.
Did anyone say make him an insulting offer??
And you know this how?
I am not saying it doesn't happen. There are certainly players who get paid and immediately begin slacking. My point was the reaction one has to being insulted isn't related to the reaction they would have if they got a ton of money. It's two totally different mental processes. We know Michael Jordan was not a slacker. Never ever no matter how much money he made did he ever loaf. How do you think he would have reacted to the Bulls trying to lowball him? or play some leverage game? You think that it would just roll off his back?
Asking your franchise QB to play for $4 million on the last year of a rookie deal and then threaten to franchise him is insulting. Especially when you are then going to ask him to physically put himself at risk repeatedly in GL run situations.
They don't need to ask him to do that.
QBs always get the credit and theEagles carried Hurts ...
I guess I don't get how the Eagles can use that as leverage if they aren't willing to put it on the table and it's an option. I mean they can do it but it's also the kind of thing that can cause a rift between the 2 sides. I have faith Philly and Hurts will come to a deal both sides are happy with. I think it is a well run team and I doubt Hurts wants something way out of line with market value but who knows. I would have the thought Lamar and the Ravens would have got something done much earlier as well.
Nobody is saying they will let him play this year for 4 million then franchise him twice.As a life long Washington fan its easy to hate (or want to hate the Eagles) but I give their ownership/GM credit, they aren't stupid. They aren't going to franchise tag him consecutive seasons like we did Cousins. First, he's proven he's WAY better than Cousins, and second you couldn't have come any closer to winning a SB with him in just his 2nd year. You happily pay the man and do your best to keep this team together for another run. Now again as a Washington fan, if he follows Dan Marino's footsteps and never reaches another SB in his career in Philly I won't cry to hard
