QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (4 Viewers)

[Snotbubbles]

Eagles GM Howie Roseman said signing Jalen Hurts to a contract extension is "going to be a priority."​

Hurts has more than outplayed his rookie contract, and has just one year left on his current deal. Being a former second-round pick, the Eagles don't have the luxury of a fifth-year option for Hurts, meaning now is the time to work out a long-term deal with their franchise quarterback. In just his second full season as a starter, Hurts helped lead the Eagles to a 14-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. If not for two missed games late in the season, it's possible he would've walked away as the league MVP instead of finishing second behind Patrick Mahomes. ESPN's Dan Graziano reported in February that Hurts could be in line for a contract that pays upward of $50 million a year. It wouldn't be surprising to see Hurts sign a new contract later this summer as the Eagles continue to plan around his extension.
SOURCE: Josh Tolentino on Twitter
Mar 27, 2023, 5:41 PM ET

Hurts isnt just his last name ... it's what he is going to do to the Eagle salary cap

You forgot who is running the show in Philly. This isn't Dallas or Washington who are so bad at the salary cap they actually have been penalized for trying to skirt the rules in the past.


His Name Is Howie Roseman. His Name Is Howie Roseman.

Heard an interesting point on the radio the other day about Hurts contract. Hurt's agent is Nicole Lynn, the first black female to represent an NFL quarterback. Her career, reputation and future potential clients are on the line with this contract. The NFLPA and all the other agents representing players will scrutinize this contract like no other.

Another issue to look out for is guaranteed money. If Hurts, Burrow and Hebert all get the Deshaun Watson-type all guaranteed contracts, the future contract landscape of the position will be forever altered. Going to be interesting.

ETA: In another thread there was research being done on the type of contract QBs have that win the Superbowl. The sweet spot contract was around 14% of the salary cap which would be about a $33M cap hit this year. If Philly can keep Hurts cap hit in the $30M area, they should be fine. The total money paid out is irrelevant, I trust Howie to work the numbers to keep the cap hit down.

I don't think the cap hit, once the contract is done will be too bad this or next year. I'm hoping they structure it in a way that when the cap goes up, the cap hits will be less and less %, which seems like an obvious thing to do.

I agree with the sentiment of all eyes on this agent for her future business and this needs to get done before Burrow/Herbert IMO

Look at Kyler Murray's contract. That is probably along the lines of what Hurts will look like. Even that monstrosity, and Murray is only around 16-18% of the cap percentage for all but one season.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Schefter] The #Eagles and Jalen Hurts agreed to terms on a five-year, $255 million contract extension that makes him the highest-paid player in NFL history, sources tell me and @RapSheet.

 

[Qammy]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

 

[Qammy]

SuperBowl or bust again for the Eagles! If they dont win this year it's going to be a loooong painful 5 years

 

[travdogg]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

 

[Qammy]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

 

[Deamon]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

Don't worry about Qammy, he's a notorious troll and suggested the Eagles draft a QB in the 1st round this year and replace Hurts lol.

 

[travdogg]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

Don't worry about Qammy, he's a notorious troll and suggested the Eagles draft a QB in the 1st round this year and replace Hurts lol.

Oh I am not. Haha. Nothing about anything to do with the new york giants has me worried. The Eagles have won I think 9999 of the last 10000 meetings with the Giants.

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

 

[Qammy]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

 

[Qammy]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

I like the "IF" arguments.

 

[popeye]

Good news for Hurts and Eagles.

 

[travdogg]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

Ok, but passing TDs (or TDs in general) aren't a particularly relevant stat. They are play calling based. I mean, what if all of Hurts QB sneak TDs were PA pass TDs?

I will 100% agree that any QB would look better with the talent the Eagles have around Hurts. Its probably the best situation any QB has in the NFL. Does that mean any QB could do what Hurts did? Certainly not in my opinion, though I do think it does add some doubt if Hurts is truly a great QB or just a good one in a perfect situation.

It'll be interesting to see how the Eagles proceed from here. Its very possible that 2022 was their best chance at a Super Bowl though.

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

Ok, but passing TDs (or TDs in general) aren't a particularly relevant stat. They are play calling based. I mean, what if all of Hurts QB sneak TDs were PA pass TDs?

I will 100% agree that any QB would look better with the talent the Eagles have around Hurts. Its probably the best situation any QB has in the NFL. Does that mean any QB could do what Hurts did? Certainly not in my opinion, though I do think it does add some doubt if Hurts is truly a great QB or just a good one in a perfect situation.

It'll be interesting to see how the Eagles proceed from here. Its very possible that 2022 was their best chance at a Super Bowl though.

Ok so you are on record saying Rushing TDs by a QB are a "meh stat' and passing TD's "aren't a particular relevant stat"

Running out of metrics to judge a QB by. Surely you think his 101.5 QB rating last year shows he's a very good QB on the upswing, right? A higher passer rating than:

Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers

and a full 10+ points higher than the guy you think is the best QB in the division (I can't find a QB ranking list anywhere that has Dak over Hurts btw)

The guys above him:

Patrick Mahomes in his own God tier
Tua, who is oft injured and , many argue has the best weapons on offense
Jimmy G, who didn't play a full season, but no one would argue SF has a "not loaded" roster

 

[travdogg]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

Ok, but passing TDs (or TDs in general) aren't a particularly relevant stat. They are play calling based. I mean, what if all of Hurts QB sneak TDs were PA pass TDs?

I will 100% agree that any QB would look better with the talent the Eagles have around Hurts. Its probably the best situation any QB has in the NFL. Does that mean any QB could do what Hurts did? Certainly not in my opinion, though I do think it does add some doubt if Hurts is truly a great QB or just a good one in a perfect situation.

It'll be interesting to see how the Eagles proceed from here. Its very possible that 2022 was their best chance at a Super Bowl though.

Ok so you are on record saying Rushing TDs by a QB are a "meh stat' and passing TD's "aren't a particular relevant stat"

Running out of metrics to judge a QB by. Surely you think his 101.5 QB rating last year shows he's a very good QB on the upswing, right? A higher passer rating than:

Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers

and a full 10+ points higher than the guy you think is the best QB in the division (I can't find a QB ranking list anywhere that has Dak over Hurts btw)

The guys above him:

Patrick Mahomes in his own God tier
Tua, who is oft injured and , many argue has the best weapons on offense
Jimmy G, who didn't play a full season, but no one would argue SF has a "not loaded" roster

I think all TDs are a meh individual stat on their own. I do value passer rating. I also value more than 1 season, and Hurts was 22nd in passer rating in 2021, behind the likes of Davis Mills and Teddy Bridgewater, and 19 spots lower than Dak Prescott, the year where he didn't break his hand.

I think Hurts is better than Tua or Jimmy G and agree completely that they also deserve some supporting cast adjustments. Hell, I've been against Garoppolo for years, and fully expect him to be a downgrade from Carr in Vegas.

I do think all 4 of the bolded QBs are better than Hurts right now. I'd obviously prefer Hurts to Rodgers going forward and could at least see an argument vs Herbert though I don't think Herbert gets enough credit for last season's circumstances. How would Hurts have fared if AJ/Smith missed 11 full games, and big parts of more, and Lane Johnson missed the entire season, while Hurts played through multiple broken ribs? But he's not in Allen or Burrow's league in my opinion.

 

[Terpman22]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

Ok, but passing TDs (or TDs in general) aren't a particularly relevant stat. They are play calling based. I mean, what if all of Hurts QB sneak TDs were PA pass TDs?

I will 100% agree that any QB would look better with the talent the Eagles have around Hurts. Its probably the best situation any QB has in the NFL. Does that mean any QB could do what Hurts did? Certainly not in my opinion, though I do think it does add some doubt if Hurts is truly a great QB or just a good one in a perfect situation.

It'll be interesting to see how the Eagles proceed from here. Its very possible that 2022 was their best chance at a Super Bowl though.

Ok so you are on record saying Rushing TDs by a QB are a "meh stat' and passing TD's "aren't a particular relevant stat"

Running out of metrics to judge a QB by. Surely you think his 101.5 QB rating last year shows he's a very good QB on the upswing, right? A higher passer rating than:

Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers

and a full 10+ points higher than the guy you think is the best QB in the division (I can't find a QB ranking list anywhere that has Dak over Hurts btw)

The guys above him:

Patrick Mahomes in his own God tier
Tua, who is oft injured and , many argue has the best weapons on offense
Jimmy G, who didn't play a full season, but no one would argue SF has a "not loaded" roster

I think all TDs are a meh individual stat on their own. I do value passer rating. I also value more than 1 season, and Hurts was 22nd in passer rating in 2021, behind the likes of Davis Mills and Teddy Bridgewater, and 19 spots lower than Dak Prescott, the year where he didn't break his hand.

I think Hurts is better than Tua or Jimmy G and agree completely that they also deserve some supporting cast adjustments. Hell, I've been against Garoppolo for years, and fully expect him to be a downgrade from Carr in Vegas.

I do think all 4 of the bolded QBs are better than Hurts right now. I'd obviously prefer Hurts to Rodgers going forward and could at least see an argument vs Herbert though I don't think Herbert gets enough credit for last season's circumstances. How would Hurts have fared if AJ/Smith missed 11 full games, and big parts of more, and Lane Johnson missed the entire season, while Hurts played through multiple broken ribs? But he's not in Allen or Burrow's league in my opinion.

2021 was Hurts' first year starting "as the guy" and as you mentioned, didn't have great weapons. Its safe to say he is *not yet* a fully developed QB either. His passer rating in 2021 was 87.2

Other notable QBs' first year full year starters first year QB ratings
Joe Burrow: 89.8 - big jump when he got Jamarr Chase
Josh Allen: 67.8 year 1 in 11 games, 85.3 in 16 games year 2, big jump when he got Stefon Diggs
Tua: 87.1, then 90.1, got a big jump when he got Tyreek Hill
Herbert: 98.3, QB rating has gone down every season since
Trevor Lawrence: 71.9, got a big jummp when he got Christian Kirk
Matt Stafford: 61.9, definitely went up when he got Calvin Johnson
Aaron Rodgers: 93.8 after watching on the bench for 3 full seasons

Two things I notice: A QB isn't fully developed after just 2 seasons and most of these guys made very large jumps in QB rating once they added a stud WR to their receiving core.
3 of the guys on this list were #1 overall picks who posted QB ratings much lower than Hurts' first full season, and all of them are 1st rounders with "expectations to be great" or whatever you wanna say about a 1st round QB.

 

[rockaction]

Wow. 180 million guaranteed. Are the guarantees part of a roster bonus scheme like Mahomes, or is it fully guaranteed?

 

[rockaction]

Can't even say the word "guarantee" anymore without shades of what "guarantee" means. Whatever happened to words, huh?

 

[menobrown]

Wow. 180 million guaranteed. Are the guarantees part of a roster bonus scheme like Mahomes, or is it fully guaranteed?

Hurts' deal has $179.304 million in total guarantees, including $110 million fully guaranteed at signing and $126.5 million fully guaranteed by March 2024, as well as the first no-trade clause in Eagles history

Jalen Hurts, Eagles agree to terms on five-year, $255 million contract extension

Jalen Hurts will be in Philadelphia for years to come. The Eagles and their superstar quarterback agreed to terms Monday on a five-year, $255 million contract extension that makes him the highest-paid player in NFL history.

www.nfl.com

 

[ffmail4me]

As a life long Washington fan, I hate all the other teams in the NFC East, but saying Hurts isn't the best QB in the division is just silly. He has earned that pay raise and has gotten better every season. He'll go down as a WAY better QB than that POS McNabb. Heck I'd say he already has proven that in his short time there. And I can live with Howell being the 2nd best QB in the division. That's right, I said it, just watch.

 

[ghostguy123]

Seems like a fairly reasonable deal. Basically 50 million a year from 2024-2028, cap keeps going up.
ONLY 179 million guaranteed, lol

 

[massraider]

Eagles’ QB Jalen Hurts’ salary-cap numbers for the next four seasons after today’s $255 million extension:

2023: $6.15 million
2024: $13.56 million
2025: $21.77 million
2026: $31.77 million



Gosh it's a shame how their window is closed, now that they signed their QB.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's go back to when Hurts lost his starting job at Alabama and had to transfer to Oklahoma and then wasn't much of a Draft target for most NFL teams
Just a few short years into his NFL career and he's taken the Eagles to a Super Bowl and signs a $250M contract with a huge chunk of it guaranteed.

Incredible, good for him

 

[IHEARTFF]

$110MM, while a ridiculous sum of money, is not that much fully guaranteed for a high caliber qb. Now barring something ridiculous, the rest of that injury guarantee is coming in too.

 

[massraider]

Let's go back to when Hurts lost his starting job at Alabama and had to transfer to Oklahoma and then wasn't much of a Draft target for most NFL teams
Just a few short years into his NFL career and he's taken the Eagles to a Super Bowl and signs a $250M contract with a huge chunk of it guaranteed.

Incredible, good for him

This thread was started three years ago.

Unreal to be where he is, and what people thought of him coming out. I mean, this is why people are looking this hard at ARich.

 

[Deamon]

Let's go back to when Hurts lost his starting job at Alabama and had to transfer to Oklahoma and then wasn't much of a Draft target for most NFL teams
Just a few short years into his NFL career and he's taken the Eagles to a Super Bowl and signs a $250M contract with a huge chunk of it guaranteed.

Incredible, good for him

This thread was started three years ago.

Unreal to be where he is, and what people thought of him coming out. I mean, this is why people are looking this hard at ARich.

and still some people who refuse to acknowledge he's one of the top qbs in the league.

 

[Deamon]

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

Marcus Mariota only got $3.5M and put up pretty much the same season lol.

LOL!!! Daniel Jones just became underpaid !!!

I'd very much argue the best QB in the division is still in Dallas.

Congrats to Hurts though, its a pretty impressive path from benched in the national title game to highest paid NFL player.

The dude is a psycho. Ask anyone that has played with him and they basically say "no one I have ever met works as hard as Jalen Hurts" All that hard work as paid off, literally and he has improved like every single year the past 5-6 years of his football life. Will be interesting to see how much he improves this year coming back to basically the same offense, sans Miles Sanders and an offensive guard.

He's always been like that ... he's just never been that good.
Statiscally he was ok on by far thhe most loaded roster in the NFL.
I luv this contract ... it's the best thing that couldve happened to the NFC East. No way the eagles maintain players in the comng years

Yeah, 101.6 passer rating, 22/6 TD/INT ratio, statistically, OK stuff. 13 rushing touchdowns, 700+ yards. First QB to get double digit rushing TDs in back to back years. Ok stuff for sure. Still hasn't hit his ceiling. Same offense is coming back with a "loaded" roster so it would be safe to expect at minimum, similar results, not taking into account how much he will improve this year.

Probably not a safe bet to expect improvement at all. Regression to the mean is real, and players better than Hurts have come down from career years.

I'd also argue the rushing TDs are a somewhat whatever meh stat NFL wise. Great for fantasy, but the "tush push" has been relatively fool-proof and isn't something I'd credit to Hurts that much. Again, not saying Hurts is bad or anything like that, just saying Philly may have paid for 2022 and that is very possibly a peak season.

That said, while I would agree that Hurts had BY FAR the most loaded roster in the NFL, to say he was ok is a pretty big understatement, he was a top-5 QB last year. We'll see if its sustainable.

I'd wonder what the over/under odds on him for 22 passing touchdowns and the same passing yards last year, going into year 3 of being the full starter in the same system with the same weapons. Without looking it up, I'm guessing Vegas has the "over" in both categories. While I get your point, regression and all, I personally don't think he's at his ceiling. His numbers were great, but there is a TON of room for improvement. I take your thoughts on the rushing stats as "sure OK" but there are half of those touchdowns where he basically did it himself, in the open field a la some of those runs in the Super Bowl. Usually QB's that improve in their first 2 years there is an expectation they will continue to improve. With that said, a guy like Herbert's numbers did go down last year, but I don't think anyone thinks he is at his ceiling either.

It's not the same system they have a New OC and they lost a starter on the Oline.
That said, 22 TDs while throwing to the weapons that he has and behind hands down the best Oline in the NFL is really nothing to write home about

New OC, same system. New OC has known him since he was in HS. Its not like we are paying him $3m per touchdown pass like the Giants are with Daniel Jones.

Jones threw more TDs (24) as a rookie then Hurts has ever thrown.
His top weapons that year ... a washed up and injured Goldan Tate, an injured Sterlin Shepard, 5th rd rookie Slayton and behind a terrible Oline.
Ohh ... And he did that in 12 Games
Imagine what he could do with AJ Brown, Davonta Smith and Dallas Goedert behind the best Oline in the NFL
I could assure you ... DJ would have thrown more than 22 TDs with that talent arround him.

Jalen Hurts:
2023: $6.15 million
2024: $13.56 million
2025: $21.77 million
2026: $31.77 million

Daniel Jones:
2023: $21.0 million
2024: $45.0 million
2025: $39.5 million
2026: $56.5 million

 

[rockaction]

and still some people who refuse to acknowledge he's one of the top qbs in the league.

He's not even in the top third.

 

[Deamon]

and still some people who refuse to acknowledge he's one of the top qbs in the league.

He's not even in the top third.

Damn you're trolling hard. lol

 

[rockaction]

Damn you're trolling hard. lol

He's easily not in the top quarter. That'd be top eight. He might not be in the top third. He'd need to be tenth or eleventh-best

Top Eleven

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Herbert
5) Rodgers
6) Watson
7) Jackson
8) Prescott
9) Cousins
10) Murray
11) Stafford
12) Hurts

 

[rockaction]

Keep laughing, slick boy.

 

[Deamon]

Damn you're trolling hard. lol

He's easily not in the top quarter. That'd be top eight. He might not be in the top third. He'd need to be tenth or eleventh-best

Top Eleven

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Herbert
5) Rodgers
6) Watson
7) Jackson
8) Prescott
9) Cousins
10) Murray
11) Stafford
12) Hurts

If you think the majority of NFL teams would take Murray, Cousins, and Stafford over Hurts right now, then I'm not sure how to help you.

 

[rockaction]

If you think the majority of NFL teams would take Murray, Cousins, and Stafford over Hurts right now, then I'm not sure how to help you.

Congratulations on having a top-ten QB.

 

[Deamon]

If you think the majority of NFL teams would take Murray, Cousins, and Stafford over Hurts right now, then I'm not sure how to help you.

Congratulations on having a top-ten QB.

Thank you. It feels good.

 

[travdogg]

Damn you're trolling hard. lol

He's easily not in the top quarter. That'd be top eight. He might not be in the top third. He'd need to be tenth or eleventh-best

Top Eleven

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Herbert
5) Rodgers
6) Watson
7) Jackson
8) Prescott
9) Cousins
10) Murray
11) Stafford
12) Hurts

Damn, and I thought I was low on Hurts. I'd take him over Stafford and Murray due to their injuries, Watson due to his extra curriculars (they are close enough for that to be a tiebreaker for me) and Lamar due to his contract demands (also pretty much equal in quality to Hurts)

Long term, Hurts beats Rodgers and Cousins, but I'd rather have either for 1 game. But yeah, that top-3 is pretty unassailable. A part of me wants to argue Allen over Mahomes just due to his value to the team. I think Andy Reid could piece together a wildcard team if Mahomes went down, I think Buffalo is easily 4th in their division if Allen goes down. I think people really underrate how little talent is on that Bills offense, its Allen, Diggs, and maybe Dawkins and everyone else was JAG. Damien Harris might honestly be their 3rd or 4th best player.

Too early for Lawrence to crack the top-12?

 

[rockaction]

Too early for Lawrence to crack the top-12?

An oversight, but it depends on what you're asking for. I was thinking one game and fully healthy with that list.

If you asked me for the year, I'd say I'd rather have Lawrence than Stafford, Murray, or Cousins. And I'd probably have to put Hurts there with Murray and Cousins if I wasn't so annoyed by Deamon and Eagles fans in general.

I'd say if you asked me to start a franchise or for two or more years, I'd go

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Herbert
5) Watson
6) Rodgers
7) Jackson
8) Lawrence
9) Prescott
10) Hurts
10) Cousins
10) Murray
13) Stafford

That's about how I see it right now. Murray and Stafford are real wild cards due to injury. Cousins is just immobile, something Hurts brings to the table.

If I'm dead honest, I think Hurts slips into the top ten but not higher than that.

 

[rockaction]

I honestly don't see how Hurts cracks that top nine. They're all young and either developing into better QBs than Hurts (Lawrence) or have proven it (Prescott) for more than a year. The top seven are self-explanatory, the way I see it.

 

[rockaction]

The more you laugh, the stupider you look. But you don't know any better and can't help yourself but for insistence.

ToNY PoLLarD WiLL HaVe Over TWenTY CarRies Per GaMe!!!!

LOoK I CaN ReAcT By LaUghing!

 

[Deamon]

The more you laugh, the stupider you look. But you don't know any better and can't help yourself but for insistence.

ToNY PoLLarD WiLL HaVe Over TWenTY CarRies Per GaMe!!!!

LOoK I CaN ReAcT By LaUghing!

Deeeeeeeep breath man. It will be okay.

 

[travdogg]

Too early for Lawrence to crack the top-12?

An oversight, but it depends on what you're asking for. I was thinking one game and fully healthy with that list.

If you asked me for the year, I'd say I'd rather have Lawrence than Stafford, Murray, or Cousins. And I'd probably have to put Hurts there with Murray and Cousins if I wasn't so annoyed by Deamon and Eagles fans in general.

I'd say if you asked me to start a franchise or for two or more years, I'd go

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Herbert
5) Watson
6) Rodgers
7) Jackson
8) Lawrence
9) Prescott
10) Hurts
10) Cousins
10) Murray
13) Stafford

That's about how I see it right now. Murray and Stafford are real wild cards due to injury. Cousins is just immobile, something Hurts brings to the table.

If I'm dead honest, I think Hurts slips into the top ten but not higher than that.

You are a lot more confident in Watson than I am. Between the year+ off, and all the off-field allegations, I think he might never be the same mentally.

I'm at:
1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Burrow
4. Herbert
5. Rodgers
6. Prescott
7. Cousins
8. Hurts
9. Jackson
10. Lawrence
11. Watson
12. Fields

I'm out on Murray, Tua and especially Stafford due to injury, and truth be told, even before he plays a down, I'd probably put Bryce Young on this list if that's fair (I'd have him 10th.) If he suddenly decides to not be retired, I'd have Tom Brady at #6. Last spot was close between, Wilson (could easily see a bounce back with a real HC), Tannehill (not many would have done better with his situation) and Fields and shot for upside. Still, the overall point, is I think Hurts is a lot closer to #12 than #3.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Good for Hurts. And good for Kansas City, who keeps looking better and better by giving Mahomes a 10-year extension a few years ago that already looks like a great deal.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

$110MM, while a ridiculous sum of money, is not that much fully guaranteed for a high caliber qb. Now barring something ridiculous, the rest of that injury guarantee is coming in too.

Not laughing at your post but laughing at the $110M remark. It does seem like 9 figures guaranteed is standard now.
I try to be progressive in my view on player salaries. Not just NFL but all sports, the salaries have skyrocketed.

 

[Terpman22]

Too early for Lawrence to crack the top-12?

An oversight, but it depends on what you're asking for. I was thinking one game and fully healthy with that list.

If you asked me for the year, I'd say I'd rather have Lawrence than Stafford, Murray, or Cousins. And I'd probably have to put Hurts there with Murray and Cousins if I wasn't so annoyed by Deamon and Eagles fans in general.

I'd say if you asked me to start a franchise or for two or more years, I'd go

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Herbert
5) Watson
6) Rodgers
7) Jackson
8) Lawrence
9) Prescott
10) Hurts
10) Cousins
10) Murray
13) Stafford

That's about how I see it right now. Murray and Stafford are real wild cards due to injury. Cousins is just immobile, something Hurts brings to the table.

If I'm dead honest, I think Hurts slips into the top ten but not higher than that.

Cool list. Now do us all a favor and find a list outside this board, by ya know, reputable people, writers etc that shows me Hurts is that low and also he is below Dak Prescott. You won't find one, trust me. I had twitterboys all weekend telling me how great Dak is b/c....burnout Mike Marts (the guy who thought Trent Green was better than Kurt Warner and also then ran Kurt Warner out of town after 2 MVPs) said he'd take Dak over Hurts. I get why Cowboys fans and the like are mad though. The media tells you every year "this is it!!", you are spoon fed soundbites by local beats only approved by Jerry Jones and when your guy goes and leads the league in INTs while also missing 5 games, there is a whole cacophony that goes "Looks none of it wasn't his fault"

Hurts by pretty much consensus throughout the entire league, coaches, media peeps, players all have him at min a top 5 guy.

If you don't believe THAT, then we can wait for the NFL Top 100 where only the players vote and I promise you, Dak won't be above Hurts, who will be, by the players ranking a top 10 player in the league b/c ya know, he just had a crazy great season, finished 2nd in the MVP voting and only lost the Super Bowl to the guy that actually finished ahead of him in that regard. Good luck convincing the world both Dak is better than he is and Hurts is worse than he is.

 

[rockaction]

Cool list. Now do us all a favor and find a list outside this board, by ya know, reputable people, writers etc that shows me Hurts is that low and also he is below Dak Prescott.

Congrats on your top ten QB.

 

[rockaction]

Cool list. Now do us all a favor and find a list outside this board, by ya know, reputable people, writers etc that shows me Hurts is that low and also he is below Dak Prescott.

The Athletic had Hurts at 20th before the year. He jumped, but it's behind a paywall. You're telling me one year puts him in the top eight?

Bravo for reaching!

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