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QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Get on board people.6 for 6, 80 yards and a TD
DJackson10
Footballguy
Based on what I've heard and seen Hurts has had a very inconsistent camp. I also won't get too hyped or too low because of Preseason performance. Seen it before. Sam Bradford looked amazing that first preseason with us only to **** the bed once the regular season came.
He had a nice sideline throw to Watkins on the opening drive I don't think he'd make year 1 or 2. The late hit he ran out of the pocket too soon despite having time to throw. The offenses and defense were very vanilla tonight. However Sirianni's offense is schemed to make sure guys are wide open. Its not the wide open throws I'm concerned about with Hurts as much as the fact when it comes time to can he get the ball in a tight space on what is considering open in NFL Circles but most fans would say isn't despite numerious QBs coupling said throw consistently through the years.
Honestly just based what I've seen plus talking to people in the know this is Hurts make it or break it year. I think if the Eagles are successful but Hurts struggles going into the stretch run I can easily say Sirianni wouldn't hesitate to go to Minshew. I'll also say in all Honesty I think the Eagles have put Hurts in a possession where he succeeds or fails on his own. I think they already internally in Howie, Lurie, Nick, know what they want for the long run but are willing to give Hurts that chance to see if he can be the guy. I think Hurts needs to have a huge MVP like season for the Eagles not to make a change next year at QB and will say this is Hurts last year no matter what on the Eagles.
I just don't see based on all the info I've gotten privately and publicly that they see Hurts as the Long term answer at QB. I also know if Hurts isn't the guy he'll be moved as the team doesn't want another Wentz/Hurts situation.
He had a nice sideline throw to Watkins on the opening drive I don't think he'd make year 1 or 2. The late hit he ran out of the pocket too soon despite having time to throw. The offenses and defense were very vanilla tonight. However Sirianni's offense is schemed to make sure guys are wide open. Its not the wide open throws I'm concerned about with Hurts as much as the fact when it comes time to can he get the ball in a tight space on what is considering open in NFL Circles but most fans would say isn't despite numerious QBs coupling said throw consistently through the years.
Honestly just based what I've seen plus talking to people in the know this is Hurts make it or break it year. I think if the Eagles are successful but Hurts struggles going into the stretch run I can easily say Sirianni wouldn't hesitate to go to Minshew. I'll also say in all Honesty I think the Eagles have put Hurts in a possession where he succeeds or fails on his own. I think they already internally in Howie, Lurie, Nick, know what they want for the long run but are willing to give Hurts that chance to see if he can be the guy. I think Hurts needs to have a huge MVP like season for the Eagles not to make a change next year at QB and will say this is Hurts last year no matter what on the Eagles.
I just don't see based on all the info I've gotten privately and publicly that they see Hurts as the Long term answer at QB. I also know if Hurts isn't the guy he'll be moved as the team doesn't want another Wentz/Hurts situation.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
He's improved every year. He was a 2nd round pick for this reason. I can certainly see top-10 qb for sure, with easy top-5upside. and the weapons all have clear defined roles and not much competition for playing time. AJB, Devonta, Goedert, Gainwell, maybe Reagor excels in a 3rd WR role lol
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Starting to sound like year 3 Josh Allen but who knows!
cdclopper
Footballguy
I haven't watched him play much. But my buddy is an Eagles fan. He says Hurts is a little slow, and while blessed with all the physical tools, doesn't play quarterback coherently. Even on read option plays, for which he should be well suited, often makes the wrong read.
You want Hurts to be like Lamar Jackson. But Lamar also has great awareness, reactions, and pocket presence. You could see these things from him in year two.
Could Hurts make the year 3 jump? Maybe. What's his face did. So we'll see. But I'm with @DJackson10 on this one, I'm not buying all the endorsement this off season.
You want Hurts to be like Lamar Jackson. But Lamar also has great awareness, reactions, and pocket presence. You could see these things from him in year two.
Could Hurts make the year 3 jump? Maybe. What's his face did. So we'll see. But I'm with @DJackson10 on this one, I'm not buying all the endorsement this off season.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I noticed this a lot last year. Weird.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I agree with said poster that hurts operates about half a second too slow in mental processing. That will kill you in the nfl- maybe his game is improved. We will find out! Week 1 isn’t a great measuring stick as it’s the lions
DJackson10
Footballguy
If my source is correct the Eagles don't see Hurts as the Franchise guy and looking to take their guy in the QB deep '23 draft. Based on everything I've heard I think if the Eagles had way better options Hurts would've already been gone. They like the fact he's a good teammate, has intangibles, keeps them competitive and the biggest plus is he's cheap. Either way if they do replace him after this season he'll be on a different team next year. Hurts could put up pro bowl numbers this season and I still think they replace him. It just gives him better trade value IMHO in terms of what the Eagles are looking for.
I don't want Hurts to be Lamar Jackson. Jackson seems to crumble when the games on the line in the playoffs. I want a Herbert Rodgers type. Someone with good pocket presence and has the ability to run at times. He doesn't have the arm these other guys have though either. I'd settle for Josh Allen type but he's not big enough nor the arm either. His not being able to throw in the middle of the field Is a concern. he has a decent deep ball when he has time which he doesn't allow himself. He also misses wide open guys over the middle of the field on concept plays involving a deep route and one over the middle of the field. I think Fantasy purposes he's a very good. Real life QB he's a JAG at best in the NFL. He's not going to be a guy who's gonna win you games but I don't think he'll be the main reason they lose.
Also the only time Hurts has looked good is against bad teams last year. He padded his stats in terrible loses last year specifically the TB TNF game where he barely had 125 YDS passing through 3 QTRS and TB played prevent most of the 4th. The SF game they lost had it not been for a Long TD pass and one other long pass he has pretty pedestrian numbers. Outside of NO Hurts didn't beat an over .5OO team all year. Is he just a guy who does great vs Bad teams or can he beat competent teams without the help of said team having key guys out, or other factors like Weather, time of the year etc?
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DJackson10
Footballguy
He also misses a ton of wide open guys over the middle. I know a lot of people hated Wentz for missing wide open guys but Hurts misses wide open guys and misses the wrong read constantly especially over the middle of the field which is a big issue he has. He doesn't throw that consistently and makes the wrong read a lot of times.
massraider
Footballguy
That will kill pocket QBs. So if you want Hurts throwing Joe Montana slants all game he won't be your guy.
When a breaks contain, and DBs have to cover for 6 seconds, he gets a massive margin for error that pocket QBs don't have.
cdclopper
Footballguy
It would help if Hurts stayed in the pocket for more than 3/4 of a second, maybe enough time to make to his 2nd read.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Hurts could help himself by staying in the pocket longer. I said this about the preseason game but the late hit was preventable. He went out of the pocket way early on that play. He doesn't trust himself in the pocket long enough which leaves a lot of plays involving him throwing the ball on the field constantly. There were several times in the playoff game he left the pocket early and he had Devonta Smith for a TD in the 1st half that he left the pocket early, threw it late and it got picked off.
Tampa Bay's defensive players and coaches were laughing at Hurts saying he couldn't read the defense. That's not a good example at all of Hurts making strides.
LawFitz
Footballguy
This guy almost single-handedly won me a fantasy championship in his rookie year. Then followed up as a top 5 QB in his second year for a long majority of the season until he got hurt late. But somehow, he still gets no respect. I'm not talking respect as an NFL QB. I'm talking respect as a fantasy QB.
cdclopper
Footballguy
If you're playing dynasty, it's important to consider whether he's good enough to keep being a starter. He's a lot better in fantasy because the rushing yards aren't worth more in real life.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This is true. One difference in my long time league from most leagues is that there is no bonus for rushing yards at the QB position. Whatever the total yards are equals the point total you get, plus the total TDs. 200 + 100 = 300 +0. I like it because it better reflects the actual production at the NFL level.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Hurts is great but he's essentially Cam Newton 2.0. Take away his redzone touchdowns and he's just another guy. But, those redzone touchdowns do in fact count only to the detriment of Miles Sanders and the other RBs on his roster.
Remember how painful it was being a Jonathan Stewart owner? Newton would run 10+ rushing touchdowns and you'd be pulling your hair out. From an NFL perspective, I think Eagles will win that division with ease. Double CeeDee Lamb and that Dallas offense gets anemic fast. I don't think there is a blueprint for a QB of his caliber winning a Super Bowl. Cam got there and got rocked by the Broncos. Lamar Jackson's MVP season would be Hurts' ceiling and in that year, Jackson got exposed in the playoffs.
It'll be fun. He should be able to put up gaudy numbers against that awful NFC East division en route to a division title. Unfortunately, the road will end in the playoffs where pocket passers tend to thrive and the level of defense faced is much more rigid. To go with the frosty temperatures and precipitation of course.
Remember how painful it was being a Jonathan Stewart owner? Newton would run 10+ rushing touchdowns and you'd be pulling your hair out. From an NFL perspective, I think Eagles will win that division with ease. Double CeeDee Lamb and that Dallas offense gets anemic fast. I don't think there is a blueprint for a QB of his caliber winning a Super Bowl. Cam got there and got rocked by the Broncos. Lamar Jackson's MVP season would be Hurts' ceiling and in that year, Jackson got exposed in the playoffs.
It'll be fun. He should be able to put up gaudy numbers against that awful NFC East division en route to a division title. Unfortunately, the road will end in the playoffs where pocket passers tend to thrive and the level of defense faced is much more rigid. To go with the frosty temperatures and precipitation of course.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I don't disagree at all, but in that case, do your RB's and WR's get more points per rushing yard (and or receiving yard) than your QB's get for the same yards? In which case, the "reflecting actual production" seems like an inch in the right direction toward a faraway goal. Heck, INT's should probably be as bad as touchdowns are good, right? I would call an NFL QB with TD's equal to picks on the season as easily below replacement level.
Sorry, getting very off topic. But no matter how you slice it, I think we've got a long way to go to reconcile NFL player value with fantasy player value.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Weighting the various positions is a lot trickier than equalizing QBs. If we gave a point for every 10 yards to QBs they would dominate drafts. I just don't like how fantasy minimizes them to later round picks.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I remember back in the day, I setup a league where they got a pt per first down completed. If I recall, it helped boost the value while not also rewarded dumpoffs on 3rd and long too much.
The Frankman
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Still too soon to say for certain, but man he's been really good early.
In my dynasty league as a former Cam owner, getting the kind of production he creates feels very at home.
Just hope he can sustain it as the season moves along.
In my dynasty league as a former Cam owner, getting the kind of production he creates feels very at home.
Just hope he can sustain it as the season moves along.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Injury risk is very real with rushing QBs. But those of you who have been calling for the regression cliff on Hurts are going to continue being proven dead wrong IMO. Barring a spell to end last season when he was *hurt* Hurts has been a top 5 fantasy QB at every moment of his NFL career, dating back to his rookie season. And now he has a legit WR1 to compliment him.
#FlyEaglesFly
#FlyEaglesFly
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
If Hurts keeps playing like this, he is going to be included with the group of today’s young great QBs. Maybe he is already included in that group.
