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QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (1 Viewer)

Is Jalen Hurts the long-term answer for Eagles? 49ers a contender again after throttling Rams?

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It's hard to find a franchise quarterback in the NFL. That's why teams must be careful not to undervalue anyone who flashes QB1 potential early in his career.

In Philadelphia, Jalen Hurts had his moments last season as a rookie, but he went 1-3 in a four-game starting stint and entered the 2021 campaign with plenty of skeptics. The choir of critics isn't quite as loud now that the 2020 second-round pick is beginning to showcase the kind of talent that could allow him to become an effective, long-term starter with the Eagles.

The second-year pro has displayed the intelligence, athleticism and management skills needed to lead a winning team. Just a game out of the final NFC wild-card slotat 4-6, the Eagles have won two of their last three contests by relying heavily on a run-based offense that plays to the QB's strengths. Moreover, I believe Hurts has the it factor that often separates the good ones from the greats at the position.

I am not suggesting Hurts is a top-five quarterback at this stage of his career -- he's not -- but he reminds me a lot of a young Dak Prescott, who is an MVP candidate for the first-place Cowboys in Year 6. I mentioned this comparison throughout the pre-draft evaluation process for Hurts based on their similar physical attributes (Hurts is 6-foot-1, 223 pounds; Prescott measures 6-2, 238) and playing styles.

As a rugged quarterback with the size, strength and willingness to embrace the physicality of the pro game, Hurts is a dual-threat playmaker who can execute designed quarterback runs and zone-read/power-read concepts in the running game. In addition, he flashes some improvisational skills as a scrambler when traditional pass plays from the pocket break down due to pressure or tight coverage on the perimeter.

Hurts' legs have helped Philadelphia's running game become one of the best in football, and a heightened commitment to the ground attack has fueled the team's improved performance of late. The Eagles rank third this season in rushing offense at 144.3 yards per game, and they lead the NFL with an average of 208.7 yards per outing since Week 8. Philadelphia has three players ranked in the top 11 in rushing yards over this three-week span, with Hurts (186) joining Jordan Howard (211) and Boston Scott (186) on the list. In Weeks 1-7, Philly had 96 carries by RBs, the fewest of any team in its first seven games since the 2014 Jaguars. The Eagles have 91 rush attempts by RBs since Week 8, which is the second-most in the league.

While Hurts ranks second only to Lamar Jackson in rushing among QBs this season, it would be a huge mistake to cast him as a run-first quarterback who is only capable of succeeding with his legs. In fact, since making his first career start in Week 14 of last season, Hurts has posted the second-best touchdown-to-interception ratio (19:9) over that span of any current rookie or second-year starter (Justin Herbert is first with a ratio of 27:8). Considering Hurts has amassed 4,000-plus scrimmage yards (3,220 pass; 903 rush) and 27 total scores during that time frame, it is hard to dispute his production at the position.

That said, the young QB1 still needs to become a more refined player from the pocket. Hurts tends to miss a handful of routine throws each week, and his propensity for fleeing the pocket -- particularly to his right -- limits the Eagles' passing game. Some of his issues could be resolved with improved play designs that fully tap into his skills as a movement passer. How about adding in more play-action passes that make the game easier for him in the pocket?

The increased utilization of those concepts will help Hurts become more efficient in the passing game while catering to his skills as a mobile playmaker. Eagles coach Nick Sirianni has attempted to blend in some concepts from the Oklahoma and Alabama playbooks that worked for Hurts in college to ease the transition, but building on those play designs is essential to helping the 23-year-old reach his potential as a QB1.

With the Eagles currently holding three picks in the first round of next year's draft, GM Howie Roseman will have options to consider when it comes to the quarterback position, between spending a pick on a signal-caller and exploring opportunities to trade for a veteran. However, given the recent success of the Eagles' offense after a renewed commitment to the running game with Hurts featured as the centerpiece, it appears the team has a potential franchise quarterback in house. Hurts is a promising young player who has made strides in all areas over the past two seasons. If he finishes strong down the stretch, the Eagles would be wise to hitch their wagon to No. 1 as their QB1 for 2022 and beyond.
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First time I've sat him since week 2.  Dak has outscored him the last several weeks and has a juicy matchup.

You're all welcome.

 
Week 12 will mark the first time I start Hurts over Mahomes this season. The big question is, do I consider that swap going forward from there? 

Naturally, it's only in my 1QB league that I have the #1 and #2 QBs. :lol:

 
Eagles coach Nick Sirianni said Jalen Hurts is nursing a sore ankle but he is "hopeful" Hurts will play in Week 13 against the Jets.

Sirianni noted that they will have more information on Hurts' status on Wednesday. Hurts finished the game on Sunday but posted one of his worst outings of the year, passing for just 129 yards while tossing the interceptions. The Eagles get their bye in Week 14 so it's possible that Hurts is given this week off to ensure his healthy to close out the season. Gardner Minshew would draw the start in his place. Philadelphia would continue to lean on their ground game with Hurts out, making Minshew a low-end QB2 if he gets the nod against New York.

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Gardner Minshew

SOURCE: Zach Berman on Twitter

Nov 29, 2021, 3:25 PM ET
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Jalen Hurts (ankle) took reps in Wednesday's walkthrough.

After practice, Hurts told reporters, "I'll be ready to go." Hurts and the Eagles get the Jets in Week 13. Although the ankle issue will certainly limit his mobility, the Jets are 31st in yards per pass attempt allowed. Even if Hurts can't beat New York with his legs, he should be able to take advantage of their secondary. If he makes it through the week of practice with a clean bill of health, he'd slot in as a low-end QB1. Gardner Minshew would be a mid-QB2 option if Philly ultimately rests Hurts for the week.

SOURCE: Zach Berman on Twitter

Dec 1, 2021, 12:08 PM ET
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Now the coach is saying questionable. I assume this is some gamesmanship but this dream match up becoming a lot less so. 

 
The General said:
Now the coach is saying questionable. I assume this is some gamesmanship but this dream match up becoming a lot less so. 
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I'm thinking back to when they got rid of the questionable, etc. tags and just went to limited participation, etc. but everyone kept using the old designations anyway.

I think that if someone is limited participation in practice that it's an automatic questionable tag.

Mostly guessing here.

 
The General said:
Now the coach is saying questionable. I assume this is some gamesmanship but this dream match up becoming a lot less so. 
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NBC Sports Edge:

Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni said Jalen Hurts (ankle) is questionable for Week 13.

Sirianni said it was "unknown" whether Hurts could suit up against the Jets on Sunday. Even if he does, Hurts' mobility could be effected by the injury he picked up last week against the Giants. Gardner Minshew would draw the start if Hurts is unable to play. The Eagles will likely lean heavily on Boston Scott and Miles Sanders either way. 

RELATED: 

Gardner Minshew

SOURCE: Jeff McLane on Twitter 

Dec 3, 2021, 12:38 PM ET
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Faust said:
NBC Sports Edge:

Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni said Jalen Hurts (ankle) is questionable for Week 13.

Sirianni said it was "unknown" whether Hurts could suit up against the Jets on Sunday. Even if he does, Hurts' mobility could be effected by the injury he picked up last week against the Giants. Gardner Minshew would draw the start if Hurts is unable to play. The Eagles will likely lean heavily on Boston Scott and Miles Sanders either way. 
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zed2283 said:
I'm thinking back to when they got rid of the questionable, etc. tags and just went to limited participation, etc. but everyone kept using the old designations anyway.

I think that if someone is limited participation in practice that it's an automatic questionable tag.

Mostly guessing here.
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I was hoping so as well but this blurb form the coach is what got me concerned.

 
I'd say coach is just saying coaching things and yes it is true, Hurts has a sprained ankle, sounds minor, but still sprained. It's how he moves around and either exudes confidence or just shut him down with a bye week coming up in week 14. Weighing everything. Big game to win and go into their bye. And Minshew is capable of handling duties. 

Edit: Questionable tag seems neutral right now. Perhaps leaning to play unless we get downgrading information. 

 
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Team Smokin' said:
I'd say coach is just saying coaching things and yes it is true, Hurts has a sprained ankle, sounds minor, but still sprained. It's how he moves around and either exudes confidence or just shut him down with a bye week coming up in week 14. Weighing everything. Big game to win and go into their bye. And Minshew is capable of handling duties. 

Edit: Questionable tag seems neutral right now. Perhaps leaning to play unless we get downgrading information. 
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My gut says he doesn’t play. More as a reason for the Eagles to see what Menshew can do because Hurts is a one trick pony.

 
This and Murray are killing me.  Having both...both being basically game time type decisions.

And don't have a great avenue to drop anyone to play someone like Heinike or Tyrod .

 
sho nuff said:
This and Murray are killing me.  Having both...both being basically game time type decisions.

And don't have a great avenue to drop anyone to play someone like Heinike or Tyrod .
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I rolled the dice by picking up T Hill and sitting him this week playing Hurts instead. With Hurts hurting some 😛 my intention was to play T Hill in week 14 when Hurts on a bye. Now I'm faced with Heinecke, Tyrod, or Teddy if Hurts is a no go. Golly. That also means dropping Hill. 

 
Gotta think even if he starts, they're going to run the ball a ton, and he might even get pulled with a big lead.  Scared to start him in a must win fantasy week.

 
Eagles reporter Derrick Gunn reports Jalen Hurts (ankle) is out for Week 13 against the Jets. 

Gunn also reports Boston Scott (illness) will be a game-time decision. Gunn is literally employed by the team, so you can say he's a solid source. By all accounts, Hurts got in a decent week of practice, but it's not surprising the Eagles are declining to push it against the pathetic Jets, especially with their bye on tap for Week 14. Not that Philly will simply march to victory with Gardner Minshew. It's a massive fantasy downgrade in the quarterback department, but check-down king Minshew should actually boost Devonta Smith and Dallas Goedert's target floors. They can be fired up with confidence. We would assume Hurts will be back for Week 15 vs. the Football Team.  

 
Team Smokin' said:
I rolled the dice by picking up T Hill and sitting him this week playing Hurts instead. With Hurts hurting some 😛 my intention was to play T Hill in week 14 when Hurts on a bye. Now I'm faced with Heinecke, Tyrod, or Teddy if Hurts is a no go. Golly. That also means dropping Hill. 
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You should start Hill   :D

 
So, who do you believe?  Gunn or Schefter?

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Eagles "want to see how [Jalen] Hurts is feeling on game day before making any final decisions about the QB’s status."

Schefter conceded Hurts "very well" could miss the team's Week 13 game against the Jets with a sprained ankle, as veteran Eagles reporter Derrick Gun reported Saturday evening. But it looks like the team wants to make sure their starting quarterback can't go before Gardner Minshew takes over against New York. Fantasy managers should consider Hurts a long shot to suit up. With Minshew under center, expect the team to lean on Miles Sanders and Boston Scott, who is questionable with a non-COVID illness. The Eagles have a bye in Week 14. 

 
If he doesn't start then I really hope he is actually Out, so I can move him into my IR spot, and not "well he'll be our emergency QB" so he's still on the active roster.  Or even worse, he's active, nobody says he's not starting, and he really is just the emergency QB.

And I left Taysom Hill and his 27.5 points on my bench this week, after picking him up to cover for Hurts on next week's Bye.

 
themeistersinger said:
If he doesn't start then I really hope he is actually Out, so I can move him into my IR spot, and not "well he'll be our emergency QB" so he's still on the active roster.  Or even worse, he's active, nobody says he's not starting, and he really is just the emergency QB.

And I left Taysom Hill and his 27.5 points on my bench this week, after picking him up to cover for Hurts on next week's Bye.
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Don't forget to add that Taysom has the mallet finger and he is going to try and play with that :lol:

I am in the same situation and deciding now between spending my last free agent dollar on Minshew, Heinke, and Tyrod Taylor :puke: 

 
themeistersinger said:
If he doesn't start then I really hope he is actually Out, so I can move him into my IR spot, and not "well he'll be our emergency QB" so he's still on the active roster.  Or even worse, he's active, nobody says he's not starting, and he really is just the emergency QB.

And I left Taysom Hill and his 27.5 points on my bench this week, after picking him up to cover for Hurts on next week's Bye.
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Ditto - waiting for definitive answer and hoping for OUT status so Hurts can land on an IR holding spot. Otherwise, I gotta drop T Hill, mallet finger and all. 

The General said:
Don't forget to add that Taysom has the mallet finger and he is going to try and play with that :lol:

I am in the same situation and deciding now between spending my last free agent dollar on Minshew, Heinke, and Tyrod Taylor :puke: 
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Yep, same choices to consider and add Teddy to my list. Leaning Heinecke at the moment. May go Minshew for the halibut. 

 
Team Smokin' said:
Ditto - waiting for definitive answer and hoping for OUT status so Hurts can land on an IR holding spot. Otherwise, I gotta drop T Hill, mallet finger and all. 
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In ESPN, dropping a player that has already has played isn't allowed.  So in a short bench league I have to drop somebody I really don't want to.

 
Speaking Wednesday, Eagles HC Nick Sirianni described Jalen Hurts (ankle) as "trending upward."

It's unclear if Hurts' trend will ultimately result in him playing against Washington or if Gardner Minshew will get another start. With Washington in the midst of a major Covid cluster, and Taylor Heinicke banged up, it's possible that the Eagles choose to give Hurts another week off. If he can play, Hurts will be a QB1 against Washington's depleted defense.

SOURCE: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

Dec 15, 2021, 11:41 AM ET
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I really don't think people calling for the Eagles to change QBs or to draft one next year (I'm looking at you, Jimmy Johnson) have paid much attention.  He's had really bad moments, but at other times hasn't gotten much help from dropped balls and play calling.  And in between has looked fairly good for a guy in his second year.  I think you've got to give him the opportunity next year as well.

Yes, I'm an owner but I also drafted T.Lawrence and Z.Wilson this year and freely opine that Wilson looks like total garbage.  And Hurts is ahead of Lawrence.

 
He has been good enough it now give me a tough decision on him vs. Kyler Murray.  Drafted Hurts as a backup thinking Id end up dropping him at some point in the year.  The bad of him being good (plus Murray missing time) was that I have held a roster spot to hold 2 QBs al year (which I normally don't do).  Also...weeks like this past week where I make the wrong choice.  Hoping I do better this week on that choice.

 
Good for fantasy, bad for the NFL because the NFL isn't fantasy.  You can't trust him to be a starter long term.  That could change, but not in the near future IMO.

 
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