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QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (1 Viewer)

Two things you can rely on in fantasy football every year: Jalen Hurts and Derrick Henry.

Tell it to a true believer rather than a guy that rosters him because he stunk this week. It's not just fantasy. i don't think Philly wins a title playing this way. At all. I don't think Philly wins the Divisional Round playing this way.

It's terrible football and not just aesthetically. I think everyone is snowed because the Chiefs and Eagles have had a few Super Bowl match-ups in the past three years, but these teams look like warmed-over, two-day-old crap.
It’s the OC. The playcalling has been… anemic. Hurts has actually been at the top of his game so far this year. He has been reading the field and going thru his progressions at a very high level.

But Hurts is more risk-averse than a lot of elite QBs. The playcalling is stale and predictable, so his reads are usually into windows that are too tight, and the Defense is giving him more opportunities with his legs.

Hopefully, it’s just a matter of them figuring out how to adjust and getting time to self scout. But when the Defense can look at the formation and figure out run vs pass just by the formation you line up, you’re at a disadvantage.
 
Two things you can rely on in fantasy football every year: Jalen Hurts and Derrick Henry.

Tell it to a true believer rather than a guy that rosters him because he stunk this week. It's not just fantasy. i don't think Philly wins a title playing this way. At all. I don't think Philly wins the Divisional Round playing this way.

It's terrible football and not just aesthetically. I think everyone is snowed because the Chiefs and Eagles have had a few Super Bowl match-ups in the past three years, but these teams look like warmed-over, two-day-old crap.
It’s the OC. The playcalling has been… anemic. Hurts has actually been at the top of his game so far this year. He has been reading the field and going thru his progressions at a very high level.

But Hurts is more risk-averse than a lot of elite QBs. The playcalling is stale and predictable, so his reads are usually into windows that are too tight, and the Defense is giving him more opportunities with his legs.

Hopefully, it’s just a matter of them figuring out how to adjust and getting time to self scout. But when the Defense can look at the formation and figure out run vs pass just by the formation you line up, you’re at a disadvantage.
I don’t think Hurts has had the same OC two years in a row since high school either. It’s kind of insane.
 
Also took Drake London over Nabers, not a good day for that decision. But it’s a long season.

I did the same exact thing in our league. Oof.
It will probably even out as the season goes on but there is a chance that Nabers goes full Jamar Chase mode.

I'm certainly getting that vibe from him. His targets are astounding. He's also great. I didn't take him because of his toes and back. I didn't like the risk at that cost. Dang. The thing is, if they're out of it by Week 13 or 14 (and they will be) and he's in pain, what the heck are they going to play him for? He might even want to and the front office might just say, "uh, no. Next year, please." (That is if Daboll and Schoen see next year, of course.)

Oh, ew. I just looked up Schoen and realized he's six years younger than me. WTF? When I did I begin to get ancient?
 
Also took Drake London over Nabers, not a good day for that decision. But it’s a long season.

I did the same exact thing in our league. Oof.
It will probably even out as the season goes on but there is a chance that Nabers goes full Jamar Chase mode.

I'm certainly getting that vibe from him. His targets are astounding. He's also great. I didn't take him because of his toes and back. I didn't like the risk at that cost. Dang. The thing is, if they're out of it by Week 13 or 14 (and they will be) and he's in pain, what the heck are they going to play him for? He might even want to and the front office might just say, "uh, no. Next year, please." (That is if Daboll and Schoen see next year, of course.)

Oh, ew. I just looked up Schoen and realized he's six years younger than me. WTF? When I did I begin to get ancient?
Just to bring it all back to Hurts, it’s a long season and I always liked the Sigmund Bloom concept that we are likely to be really right and really wrong on players in the same season. Like you said Nabers had that blowup game but he could find himself sidelined with injuries come mid season or maybe next week is the week Drake catches 10/150/2 and Jalen Hurts scores 4 TDs.
 
Two things you can rely on in fantasy football every year: Jalen Hurts and Derrick Henry.

Tell it to a true believer rather than a guy that rosters him because he stunk this week. It's not just fantasy. i don't think Philly wins a title playing this way. At all. I don't think Philly wins the Divisional Round playing this way.

It's terrible football and not just aesthetically. I think everyone is snowed because the Chiefs and Eagles have had a few Super Bowl match-ups in the past three years, but these teams look like warmed-over, two-day-old crap.
It’s the OC. The playcalling has been… anemic. Hurts has actually been at the top of his game so far this year. He has been reading the field and going thru his progressions at a very high level.

But Hurts is more risk-averse than a lot of elite QBs. The playcalling is stale and predictable, so his reads are usually into windows that are too tight, and the Defense is giving him more opportunities with his legs.

Hopefully, it’s just a matter of them figuring out how to adjust and getting time to self scout. But when the Defense can look at the formation and figure out run vs pass just by the formation you line up, you’re at a disadvantage.
I don’t think Hurts has had the same OC two years in a row since high school either. It’s kind of insane.
Shane Steichen 2021 and 2022. But otherwise yeah.
 
Jalen Hurts -- when tied or trailing this season

40-of-58 (69.0%), 371 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 103.4 rating

17 carries, 101 yards, 3 TD (1 fumble)

The people who know him best take his keys to the car away. That's all I need to know. No, he's not an RB, but they have no faith in him. Or no faith in some bona fide excellent pass catchers.
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.

In FF, yes. But I'm only taking him over Tua in real football, and I'd pretty much take anybody over Tua.
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.

In FF, yes. But I'm only taking him over Tua in real football, and I'd pretty much take anybody over Tua.

Yea I’m only interested in real life here and I’m asking because I don’t have a strong opinion on it but find it interesting.
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.

In FF, yes. But I'm only taking him over Tua in real football, and I'd pretty much take anybody over Tua.

Yea I’m only interested in real life here and I’m asking because I don’t have a strong opinion on it but find it interesting.

Ah, I see. Well Tua for sure. He's the worst. Burrow is hurt way too often, so I'm not totally sure who I take in that instance. Availability being the best ability and all.

But Herbert, to me, is clearly a better QB. I think Love is also, but you can make a case for Hurts. That's about it.
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.

In FF, yes. But I'm only taking him over Tua in real football, and I'd pretty much take anybody over Tua.

Yea I’m only interested in real life here and I’m asking because I don’t have a strong opinion on it but find it interesting.

Ah, I see. Well Tua for sure. He's the worst. Burrow is hurt way too often, so I'm not totally sure who I take in that instance. Availability being the best ability and all.

But Herbert, to me, is clearly a better QB. I think Love is also, but you can make a case for Hurts. That's about it.
I believe all 4 of them (not Tua) are really good. Hurts is definitely in the best situation by far but he has that “it” factor. Although I’m not sure he would have that if he played for another team. All things equal, if I’m starting a franchise I would rank them Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Love , Tua. What an amazing QB class!
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.

In FF, yes. But I'm only taking him over Tua in real football, and I'd pretty much take anybody over Tua.

Yea I’m only interested in real life here and I’m asking because I don’t have a strong opinion on it but find it interesting.

Ah, I see. Well Tua for sure. He's the worst. Burrow is hurt way too often, so I'm not totally sure who I take in that instance. Availability being the best ability and all.

But Herbert, to me, is clearly a better QB. I think Love is also, but you can make a case for Hurts. That's about it.
I believe all 4 of them (not Tua) are really good. Hurts is definitely in the best situation by far but he has that “it” factor. Although I’m not sure he would have that if he played for another team. All things equal, if I’m starting a franchise I would rank them Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Love , Tua. What an amazing QB class!
Burrow>>Herbert>Hurts>>Tua>Love
 
I'd like to see some opinions on a 2020 redraft:

1. Burrow
5. Tua
6. Herbert
26. Love
53. Hurts

No real busts like we had the following year but Hurts would probably leapfrog some or all of these guys in a re-draft.

In FF, yes. But I'm only taking him over Tua in real football, and I'd pretty much take anybody over Tua.

Yea I’m only interested in real life here and I’m asking because I don’t have a strong opinion on it but find it interesting.

Ah, I see. Well Tua for sure. He's the worst. Burrow is hurt way too often, so I'm not totally sure who I take in that instance. Availability being the best ability and all.

But Herbert, to me, is clearly a better QB. I think Love is also, but you can make a case for Hurts. That's about it.
I believe all 4 of them (not Tua) are really good. Hurts is definitely in the best situation by far but he has that “it” factor. Although I’m not sure he would have that if he played for another team. All things equal, if I’m starting a franchise I would rank them Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Love , Tua. What an amazing QB class!
Burrow>>Herbert>Hurts>>Tua>Love

Yow.
 
He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.
 
He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.

The people who know best won't let him throw until absolutely necessary. That's either their rank incompetence or they know something that apologists don't.
 
He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.

The people who know best won't let him throw until absolutely necessary. That's either their rank incompetence or they know something that apologists don't.
He threw 38 times in the Super Bowl.
 
He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.

The people who know best won't let him throw until absolutely necessary. That's either their rank incompetence or they know something that apologists don't.
He threw 38 times in the Super Bowl.
That is very impressive for a RB!!

It has got to be some kind of record, no?
 
He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.

The people who know best won't let him throw until absolutely necessary. That's either their rank incompetence or they know something that apologists don't.
He threw 38 times in the Super Bowl.
That is very impressive for a RB!!

It has got to be some kind of record, no?
It actually exactly ties his previous record the other time he took his team to the Super Bowl. It’s actually pretty nuts for a RB, he has thrown 256 passes in the playoffs, completing. 67% of them for 10 TDs and 3 INTs. They should consider trying him at QB.
 
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He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.

The people who know best won't let him throw until absolutely necessary. That's either their rank incompetence or they know something that apologists don't.
They know that they have the best run blocking line in the league and one of the best, generational RBs in the league.

They know that they are in year two of a number one, Fangio defense and can rely on them getting stops.

They know that the easiest way to not throw ints is to limit the amount you throw it. They also know that when they win the turnover battle, they basically never lose.

None of the above is a reflection of their opinions on Jalen. The fact that he doesn’t care about his personal stats and ONLY cares about winning is why he is such a great QB.

Oh and by the way, when they do decide to uncork his passing, he lights it up. What about the second half yesterday tells you that he is not a great passer?
 
Considering I saw him having a very heated conversation (aka yelling at) Patullo on the sidelines after the first half, and then considering what we watched Hurts do in the second half; I think anyone questioning if the first two weeks are poor coaching/play calling or them "knowing something about Hurts we don't" has their answer.

TBH it seemed to me Hurts was doing a fair share of play calling himself in the 2nd half. Also he was stone faced/agitated even when their 350lb tank returned that missed FG for a TD. I'm imagining still upset about the uber conservative and arguably poor play calling in the first half.

People still saying he's a RB and a glorified game manager or anything like that sound as ridiculous as the people who used to say that about Lamar. And I am still a Lamar hater. At this point you seem to be either a fan of another NFC East team (fair enough, hate away), or too stubborn to change your terrible takes Hurts has proven wrong time and time again.
 
Considering I saw him having a very heated conversation (aka yelling at) Patullo on the sidelines after the first half, and then considering what we watched Hurts do in the second half; I think anyone questioning if the first two weeks are poor coaching/play calling or them "knowing something about Hurts we don't" has their answer.

TBH it seemed to me Hurts was doing a fair share of play calling himself in the 2nd half. Also he was stone faced/agitated even when their 350lb tank returned that missed FG for a TD. I'm imagining still upset about the uber conservative and arguably poor play calling in the first half.

People still saying he's a RB and a glorified game manager or anything like that sound as ridiculous as the people who used to say that about Lamar. And I am still a Lamar hater. At this point you seem to be either a fan of another NFC East team (fair enough, hate away), or too stubborn to change your terrible takes Hurts has proven wrong time and time again.
There’s one big thing he is above QB or RB or whatever else, he’s a leader.
 
He’s a RB! He can’t throw! They have to hide him by playing small ball.

You guys kill me. 😂 He’s the deadliest competitor in the NFL right now. Nobody has a bigger “clutch mode” than him. Burrow and Herbert have better physical arm talent than Jalen, but I wouldn’t trade Hurts for anyone, including Lamar and Allen.

His throwing ability is in the ‘Hall of Very Good’ tier, his processing has risen to elite-ish levels, his legs are 2nd only to Lamar (maybe Jayden, we’ll see), but the leadership and intangibles make him my choice for Franchise QB.

But don’t let me interrupt the “He’s a RB” soggy cracker fest.

The people who know best won't let him throw until absolutely necessary. That's either their rank incompetence or they know something that apologists don't.
I read this somewhere, from a pretty smart dude I know on the innerwebz. Seems pretty insightful:

Good to see he can dominate an inept defense. Now to look as good playing NFL teams.
people never cease to amaze me—they are a bottom this D, but he absolutely dominated and has gotten better every week. People are too myopic, as he’s still learning the nuances of a bean new, complicated offensive system

People can work up a real animus simply by arguing a position. They get attached to their conclusion and reasoning like it was a pet.
 
I hope you all have realized by now that I simply do not read Philadelphia fan posts. I see them in my feed and chuckle at the fact that you’ve completely wasted your time with homerisms

LOL

Bona fide
 
Most comeback wins when trailing by double digits -- since 2020 (including playoffs)

Patrick Mahomes -- 13
Jalen Hurts -- 10

Jalen Hurts -- past 17 games he's started and finished

W-L -- 17-0
Pass Yards -- 3,167
Rush yards -- 737
Total TD -- 43
Turnovers -- 5
 
Ah, the old “Nanny, nanny, boo boo, I’m not listening” defense. Logically impenetrable.

I think it was Disraeli who said “I’m rubber, you’re glue. Anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.”
 
Considering I saw him having a very heated conversation (aka yelling at) Patullo on the sidelines after the first half, and then considering what we watched Hurts do in the second half; I think anyone questioning if the first two weeks are poor coaching/play calling or them "knowing something about Hurts we don't" has their answer.

TBH it seemed to me Hurts was doing a fair share of play calling himself in the 2nd half. Also he was stone faced/agitated even when their 350lb tank returned that missed FG for a TD. I'm imagining still upset about the uber conservative and arguably poor play calling in the first half.

People still saying he's a RB and a glorified game manager or anything like that sound as ridiculous as the people who used to say that about Lamar. And I am still a Lamar hater. At this point you seem to be either a fan of another NFC East team (fair enough, hate away), or too stubborn to change your terrible takes Hurts has proven wrong time and time again.
There’s one big thing he is above QB or RB or whatever else, he’s a leader.
Leader, football player, baller, winner, underrated… the list of things Jalen is is quite long.
 
Oh and by the way, when they do decide to uncork his passing, he lights it up. What about the second half yesterday tells you that he is not a great passer?
:yes: the argument seems to be “his coach doesn’t want him to pass much unless the opposing defense knows he’s going to throw, which then he does as well as anyone in the league, but he still isn’t a good passer. The game plan to run more often early couldn’t be that their OL is among the best and they have one of the best RBs in the game, it must be that they don’t trust Jalen until the game is on the line“
:shrug:
 
Oh and by the way, when they do decide to uncork his passing, he lights it up. What about the second half yesterday tells you that he is not a great passer?
:yes: the argument seems to be “his coach doesn’t want him to pass much unless the opposing defense knows he’s going to throw, which then he does as well as anyone in the league, but he still isn’t a good passer. The game plan to run more often early couldn’t be that their OL is among the best and they have one of the best RBs in the game, it must be that they don’t trust Jalen until the game is on the line“
:shrug:
Right. And lets be honest, I've spent the last 25-30 years sitting at the bar on Sunday, with every dude in the place screaming at the tv to RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!! Welp, we have a coach that does exactly that.
 
Oh and by the way, when they do decide to uncork his passing, he lights it up. What about the second half yesterday tells you that he is not a great passer?
:yes: the argument seems to be “his coach doesn’t want him to pass much unless the opposing defense knows he’s going to throw, which then he does as well as anyone in the league, but he still isn’t a good passer. The game plan to run more often early couldn’t be that their OL is among the best and they have one of the best RBs in the game, it must be that they don’t trust Jalen until the game is on the line“
:shrug:
I’m not so sure it’s nearly as good as it has was last year. The running game isn’t getting much going.
 
I hope you all have realized by now that I simply do not read Philadelphia fan posts. I see them in my feed and chuckle at the fact that you’ve completely wasted your time with homerisms

LOL

Bona fide
Curious here, why come into the thread at all......to post that you don't read the posts?

What are homerisms?
 
I hope you all have realized by now that I simply do not read Philadelphia fan posts. I see them in my feed and chuckle at the fact that you’ve completely wasted your time with homerisms

LOL

Bona fide
Curious here, why come into the thread at all......to post that you don't read the posts?

What are homerisms?
In case you haven’t been paying attention, after he reads every post, he posts vehemently denying reading any post by an Eagles fan and talks about how that is, in some way, a victory.

Then he repeats a talking point about how the people who know best don’t trust Jalen to throw the ball, but leaves it to you to draw the conclusion that Jalen stinks.

But, I read your post and it’s a good question.
 
I'm fine with folks underestimating Hurts. He thrives on it. He will just continue to be a winning QB.

Every time I read a detrimental comment about Hurts I know that it is really an underhanded way of admitting he is a winner. Because he is. The nitpick comments just highlight this fact. No one can argue that he is NOT a winner. He has proven to be a winner at EVERY stage of the game. He is the reigning SB MVP and SB Championship winning QB.

Please! Keep underestimating Hurts!
 
The tush push TD's weren't easy enough fantasy points, so now he's started throwing little tosses to Goedert for 2 yd TD passes.
The obsession with wanting Hurts to make a 1 yard touchdown “at the highest difficulty level” is a weird vibe.
To be clear, this comment was a blend of sarcasm about people's tush push outrage, and also as a Hurts owner, the embarrassment of consistent fantasy production that he provides without having to be a gunslinger. Didn't know if you thought I was serious but regardless I agree with your reply.
 
The tush push TD's weren't easy enough fantasy points, so now he's started throwing little tosses to Goedert for 2 yd TD passes.
The obsession with wanting Hurts to make a 1 yard touchdown “at the highest difficulty level” is a weird vibe.
To be clear, this comment was a blend of sarcasm about people's tush push outrage, and also as a Hurts owner, the embarrassment of consistent fantasy production that he provides without having to be a gunslinger. Didn't know if you thought I was serious but regardless I agree with your reply.
all good bruh not necessarily at you just the non sense in general

1st it was “THE WEAPONS ANYONE CAN”

Then “Tush Push is CHEATING (verbatim)

Now it’s lol “well easy short touchdowns!!

Full circle to today I’m sure it’s back to WEAPONS!

Jalen having himself a day
 

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