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QB Jared Goff, DET (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter CalBear
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NFL.com's Steve Wyche reports the Rams are "getting ready" for Jared Goff.
This conflicts with an earlier report that Goff isn't close to playing. The Rams have been ramping up Goff's progression and are giving him first-team reps during their bye. Case Keenum will start Week 9, but is on a short leash.
Source: NFL.com
Oct 29 - 7:02 PM
This conflicts with an earlier report that Goff isn't close to playing. The Rams have been ramping up Goff's progression and are giving him first-team reps during their bye. Case Keenum will start Week 9, but is on a short leash.
Source: NFL.com
Oct 29 - 7:02 PM
Jackal King
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Goff could be Ryan Leaf-ian horrible, or he may be the next Joe Montana.
But this decision is all about Fisher. And to tell you the truth as a Ram fan there's no way I want to see Goff out there under this current offense/coaching staff.
But why the hell not try out Mannion?
dkp993
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
As hot takes go, that's a good one. I mean he stunk in meaningless games during the preseason. He must be a disaster of biblical proportions. A blight on the game of football! String him up! Tar him and cast him outside the city walls to be left to fend for himself in the wasteland that is Orange County!
No one will ever know if Fisher remains the HC. He can destroy any offense. He's got his sights set on Gurley right now. If Goff can perform on a Fisher coached team, he is Brady-like. The guy has zero creativity, owns a copy of The Herminator's guide to scoring no points and somehow keeps an HC gig.
packersfan
Footballguy
It's entirely possible he's really awful.
Then again when you consider just how bad Jeff Fisher's been as a head coach since his Super Bowl with the Titans it's entirely possible he really sucks as an evaluator of NFL talent.
Funny how few in the media are the least bit interested in even considering that as a possibility at all when discussing all this.
CalBear
Footballguy
- Jeff Fisher reacts after Week 9 loss: 'Case Keenum isn't the reason we lost this game'
packersfan
Footballguy
In a winnable game against Carolina Fisher allowed Keenum to throw it nearly 50 times while allowing Gurley to get only two carries in the second half. How anyone can trust Fisher's coaching judgment is beyond me. I'd say it's seriously impaired and that's being kind.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
How Fischer stuck around in Tennessee for so long is such a mystery to me. And what's an even bigger mystery is how he got a HC job after the debacle in TEN. His offenses lack creativity and are the definition of mediocre. Sorry Rams fans... Hopefully the franchise realizes this mistake and goes in a new direction.
I think Goff is a very good QB. Maybe not a super star, but who knows? Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 seasons.
I think Goff is a very good QB. Maybe not a super star, but who knows? Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 seasons.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre. Goff is sitting behind one of the worst QBs in the NFL because his head coach is an idiot. Again, I'm not ruling out the possibility Goff really stinks and is unprepared to be a starting NFL quarterback. But given Fisher's track record I think the possibility Fisher has no clue what he's doing is much higher than the possibility Goff is awful. I just think it's hilarious when these stories are being written nobody seems interested in discussing that angle. It's always revolving around the Rams' company line that Goff isn't ready. It's like nobody in the mainstream media wants to even broach the possibility that Fisher has no clue what he's even doing here when, his track record strongly suggest that's what is probably happening. Hell nearly every time the Rams win a game the immediate reaction is they just won in spite of themselves or the opponent tripping all over themselves. It's rarely a case of something impressive they just did. That's how bad Fisher is at everything he's doing.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Jeff Fisher will always be an ultra-conservative coach. Even during his winning seasons his teams won ugly and were not enjoyable to watch. He's a throwback to that "run the ball and stop others from running the ball" mentality, but somehow cannot put anything close to resembling that on offense with the Rams. It's just how he's wired. He would rather win 16-10 than 35-10.
Never saw the appeal... maybe he works cheap... maybe he does whatever his Owners want to do... certainly hasn't been enough in the W/L column to justify his coaching life span.
He'll put Goff in there when he's confident they can run the ball 30 times/game, shorten the games to less than 3 hrs, and throw it 15-20 times/game with half of those targeting tight ends less than 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
Never saw the appeal... maybe he works cheap... maybe he does whatever his Owners want to do... certainly hasn't been enough in the W/L column to justify his coaching life span.
He'll put Goff in there when he's confident they can run the ball 30 times/game, shorten the games to less than 3 hrs, and throw it 15-20 times/game with half of those targeting tight ends less than 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
dkp993
Footballguy
Absolutely, and Fisher is correct that Case isn't the reason we lost, and continue to lose. But he is one of the reasons we aren't winning and Fisher just can't see it (likely due the the fact he's the other reason we aren't winning). In the perfect circumstance Case can win games but he doesn't have the talent or ability to overcome a team's short comings or mistakes and that has been proven time and time again.packersfan said:
While I'm extremely reluctant to throw Goff to the wolves I would also love to see if he does have that ability the top QB's have to create some magic and overcome circumstances. This is what separates the game mangers from the greats. Fisher, I fear, is creating a game manger as that's all he knows.
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Dizzy
Footballguy
Right on and I am fully with you on this last point.
There are always these threads about what if QB A went to team B and not vice versa, how would things turn out. The fact is it doesn't work that way. The comment earlier about Goff being the next Leaf or Montana... under the care of Fisher's staff he may only be the next Case Keenum.
I am a bit of a proponent that NFL QBs are made and not just drafted. A combination of the two of course results in an elite QB.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
@CalBear @Bracie Smathers @Soulfly3
I stopped on page 3, but I'm sure there were others. So far we've had 5 rookie QBs start a game this season, this guy is prob so bad they're embarrassed to get him out there.
The jury is obviously still out, but if we were wagering the odds would be tilting heavily towards my initial take.
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CalBear
Footballguy
And during Big Game week!
In the past three weeks Keenum averaged 250 yards and had just 2 TDs vs. 5 INTs, so the bar's set pretty low.
Miami's pass defense is in the middle of the league, so it's a reasonable place to start.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Picked up Miami defense this week
msommer
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
I'm not so worried about what mistakes he will or won't make. I'm far more concerned about him getting hammered in the back field and getting dinged up (which seemed to happen in every preseason game) or starting the road to David Carr town.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I was able to watch the most recent Miami game on Sunday and I was actually pretty impressed with how LIppet played at corner. My expectations were low as he is a converted WR, but he actually wasn't too bad. I think Maxwell has been playing better since his early benching also.
The defensive line is actually very good and the Rams offensive line is not, so Goff is likely going to get hit a lot.
While the Dolphins defense has some holes, I sort of consider them at least slightly above average, due to the very good pass rush.
saintfool
Dead sexy
he looked pretty solid in the early going. the wheels came off once the Saints went up big one them. they were playing catch up and the saints defense was teeing off on him. they just don't have much talent in the passing game.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i wouldn't expect Rams to win the game, honestly. he did did just fine under the circumstances, though, in his 2nd start. he looked confident, reasonably accurate on short and intermediate throws, and didn't get much help from their o-line. he didn't look nearly as good in the 2nd half (the rams as a team didn't look good) but then it was a different game at that point. i don't know how Fisher can keep his job at the end of the year.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Looks pretty bad
FairWarning
Footballguy
Can hardly wait to see him play in Seattle this Thursday night.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
CalBear
Footballguy
I happen to be in finals right now.
I also think that the "yay I was right" or "ha ha you were wrong" crap that permeates this board is not worth my time. Analysis is highly inexact; whether the analysis is good or not is dependent on the analysis itself, not on the outcome.
The analysis I'd have to add at this time is that Fisher was clearly a bad fit, and we'll see what happens with a new regime. It's obvious that, at least at this point in his career, Goff will be most comfortable throwing to spread formations out of the shotgun, which is not Fisher's offense.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
CalBear
Footballguy
Did I somewhere deny that he never took a collegiate snap under center? Do you have a point?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Sure, he sucks, that's my point - I was crucified in this thread for it earlier, obviously that noise has quieted.
He can turn things around somewhat, but my feelings remain that his ceiling is a slightly below average NFL QB. Out of the 10 rookie NFL QBs, he could be the worst, certainly towards the bottom of the group.
CalBear
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You want the opposite of astute analysis? Go read your comments on Jared Goff, they're here in this very thread - enjoy the finals, rook.
