QB Jayden Daniels, WAS (14 Viewers)

[Soulfly3]

Putting him out there down 31 in the 4th quarter and having him injure his elbow has got to be one of the most questionable coaching decisions in a long time.

since Washington completely destroyed their other franchise QB, perhaps?

 

[JohnnyU]

How big of a value hit does he take after this injury? He was a top5 Dynasty QB asset. Injury concerns have to drop that substantially right?

Same question, looking at buying the dip (and shedding points) on a rebuilder.

as an owner... zero. None of these injuries affect his long-term outlook and I'm kinda of happy he's just ging to sit the rest of the season out.

I'm in the camp of being iffy on buying at full price. The injury concerns are real to me. The RGIII 2.0 label is out there now and that association alone diminishes his value slightly. Different players, different circumstances, but still a realistic idea of how fast value can drop.

Well, it wasn't the throwing arm, so there is that. But his body type will always be a cause for concern with injuries.

 

[Crash Davis]

How big of a value hit does he take after this injury? He was a top5 Dynasty QB asset. Injury concerns have to drop that substantially right?

Same question, looking at buying the dip (and shedding points) on a rebuilder.

as an owner... zero. None of these injuries affect his long-term outlook and I'm kinda of happy he's just ging to sit the rest of the season out.

I'm in the camp of being iffy on buying at full price. The injury concerns are real to me. The RGIII 2.0 label is out there now and that association alone diminishes his value slightly. Different players, different circumstances, but still a realistic idea of how fast value can drop.

Well, it wasn't the throwing arm, so there is that. But his body type will always be a cause for concern with injuries.

Body type + play style made me nervous about drafting him in redraft but I was seduced by the 4000/1000 potential that I thought existed. I'll probably pass in the future unless the value is just too good to pass up.

 

[JohnnyU]

NFL insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday morning that Washington Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels (elbow), who left Sunday's loss with his left arm immobilized, suffered a dislocated elbow and will have an MRI today to determine how long he's out, sources say. The belief is it's not as bad as it could've been. But Daniels will miss several games. Additionally, Rapoport reported that the X-rays for Jayden Daniels' left arm were negative, source says. Considering the cart came out for Daniels on Sunday night, the news is encouraging when words like "not as bad as it could've been" are being thrown out. Nonetheless, it appears Daniels will be sidelined indefinitely, and Marcus Mariota will return under center for the Commanders, limiting the offense's upside for players like Terry McLaurin (quadriceps) and Deebo Samuel Sr. Mariota can be trusted as a QB2 for those in two-QB or superflex leagues due to his rushing upside.--Nicho Roessler

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

played like they could care less

Not to pick nits, but it’s “couldn’t care less”. If they could care less, that wouldn’t be so bad.

The rest of the post I agree with.

Has that been announced?

No. Reportedly nothing is broken.

That said I’m 99.99999% positive your elbow can’t bend that way without tearing ligaments. While it’s not his throwing arm, I’m skeptical he’ll be able to play with the injury, and even more skeptical that if he has anything surgically repaired he’ll be able to play with a sling.

For FF purposes I’d be he’s out “for the year”. Maybe he can come back to the NFL in week 15-16 or something but why on Earth would they bother doing that?

 

[JohnnyU]

played like they could care less

Not to pick nits, but it’s “couldn’t care less”. If they could care less, that wouldn’t be so bad.

The rest of the post I agree with.

Has that been announced?

No. Reportedly nothing is broken.

That said I’m 99.99999% positive your elbow can’t bend that way without tearing ligaments. While it’s not his throwing arm, I’m skeptical he’ll be able to play with the injury, and even more skeptical that if he has anything surgically repaired he’ll be able to play with a sling.

For FF purposes I’d be he’s out “for the year”. Maybe he can come back to the NFL in week 15-16 or something but why on Earth would they bother doing that?

I agree, why bring him back in a lost season. That would be criminal.

 

[zamboni]

I disagree with the narrative that Daniels gets hurt because of his slight frame. A 6-5 230 lb QB probably would have also a dislocated elbow on that tackle. I do think it's his running/playing style that has negatively affected him. By contrast, Lamar and Hurts just seem to protect themselves better and Allen is just as big as most guys trying to tackle him in the open field. Or it's just luck that the other guys don't get hurt - who knows.

 

[LawFitz]

the other guys don't get hurt

Lamar was just out for a month.

 

[zamboni]

the other guys don't get hurt

Lamar was just out for a month.

OK - should have added "as much". Lamar has been a starting QB for 8 years and has missed a few games here and there, but mostly durable. Allen and Hurts have missed even fewer.

 

[bolzano]

the other guys don't get hurt

Lamar was just out for a month.

OK - should have added "as much". Lamar has been a starting QB for 8 years and has missed a few games here and there, but mostly durable. Allen and Hurts have missed even fewer.

The way he landed was really goofy, man. I don’t know why he tried to protect himself by putting his hand out in that way.

So, yeah, learning how to fall is a skill. But not everyone grew up skateboarding like some of us.

 

[Snotbubbles]

played like they could care less

Not to pick nits, but it’s “couldn’t care less”. If they could care less, that wouldn’t be so bad.

The rest of the post I agree with.

Has that been announced?

No. Reportedly nothing is broken.

That said I’m 99.99999% positive your elbow can’t bend that way without tearing ligaments. While it’s not his throwing arm, I’m skeptical he’ll be able to play with the injury, and even more skeptical that if he has anything surgically repaired he’ll be able to play with a sling.

For FF purposes I’d be he’s out “for the year”. Maybe he can come back to the NFL in week 15-16 or something but why on Earth would they bother doing that?

Looking at 4 weeks minimum. Add another 2-3 if the injury requires surgery.

Optimistic return would be December 7, vs. Minnesota. But at that point they very will could be 4-8, so I doubt they're looking to rush him back if that's the case.

 

[JohnnyU]

played like they could care less

Not to pick nits, but it’s “couldn’t care less”. If they could care less, that wouldn’t be so bad.

The rest of the post I agree with.

Has that been announced?

No. Reportedly nothing is broken.

That said I’m 99.99999% positive your elbow can’t bend that way without tearing ligaments. While it’s not his throwing arm, I’m skeptical he’ll be able to play with the injury, and even more skeptical that if he has anything surgically repaired he’ll be able to play with a sling.

For FF purposes I’d be he’s out “for the year”. Maybe he can come back to the NFL in week 15-16 or something but why on Earth would they bother doing that?

Looking at 4 weeks minimum. Add another 2-3 if the injury requires surgery.

Optimistic return would be December 7, vs. Minnesota. But at that point they very will could be 4-8, so I doubt they're looking to rush him back if that's the case.

A date that will live in infamy.

 

[bolzano]

I’m assuming he has a torn UCL. If true, I would get Tommy John and call it a season. The internet docs say that he doesn’t need a UCL because it’s his non-throwing arm. But, I’d be concerned about my ability to play golf next spring (and going forward) .

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t know why he tried to protect himself by putting his hand out in that way.

I said as much in the in-game topic. Not blaming Daniels for the injury, but putting your arm out straight to try to catch yourself while being taken to the ground was an exceptionally bad idea.

Probably did it subconsciously but you’d think a football player would know to not do that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not a conspiracy guy but what in the world is going on with this?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good breakdown of the injury.

Sounds like he dodged a bullet in that it’s basically a coin flip if there’s broken bones.

 

[bolzano]

Good breakdown of the injury.

Sounds like he dodged a bullet in that it’s basically a coin flip if there’s broken bones.

Assuming he has a UCL sprain, I don’t understand why these doctors wouldn’t recommend Tommy John so that he can have a fully functioning elbow for the rest of his life. I suppose it’s because it can have a 12-18 month recovery, and thus it could spillover into next season.

But I always thought that an extended recovery only applied to, say, pitchers who throw with the injured arm for a living. Like, I know Bryce Harper had TJ on his throwing elbow and was back after around 6 months, though he switched from RF to 1B/ DH. Given that this is Daniels’ non-throwing arm, I’d think he would be good by the beginning of next season, easily.

 

[Crash Davis]

Good breakdown of the injury.

Sounds like he dodged a bullet in that it’s basically a coin flip if there’s broken bones.

Assuming he has a UCL sprain, I don’t understand why these doctors wouldn’t recommend Tommy John so that he can have a fully functioning elbow for the rest of his life. I suppose it’s because it can have a 12-18 month recovery, and thus it could spillover into next season.

But I always thought that an extended recovery only applied to, say, pitchers who throw with the injured arm for a living. Like, I know Bryce Harper had TJ on his throwing elbow and was back after around 6 months, though he switched from RF to 1B/ DH. Given that this is Daniels’ non-throwing arm, I’d think he would be good by the beginning of next season, easily.

Baseball players don't get tackled though. Bryce was simply worried about hitting with it, not landing on it with a 250-300 lb defender falling on top of you. I'm not a doctor and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express, just thinking through factors that might delay recovery from a surgical repair or at least be cause for caution.

 

[GPS]

Well let’s hope he finally gets it going and finds his 2024 form.
Let’s say so far this season it’s has been underwhelming to say the least.
Injuries, lack of receivers, etc….yeah yeah yeah…
But it would be nice to see him perform at a high level again.

I thought I had a nice 1, 2 punch with him and CMC this year and the guy I was worried about was CMC.

I thought I could dominate with him and Burrow in a 2QB league. Way she goes sometimes.

I had the same exact QB stack heading into the season. My QB3 was Purdy. So, that should tell you all you need to know about where I am in the standings.

Yeah. My QB3 was Bryce Young. Results have not been pretty.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good breakdown of the injury.

Sounds like he dodged a bullet in that it’s basically a coin flip if there’s broken bones.

Assuming he has a UCL sprain, I don’t understand why these doctors wouldn’t recommend Tommy John so that he can have a fully functioning elbow for the rest of his life. I suppose it’s because it can have a 12-18 month recovery, and thus it could spillover into next season.

But I always thought that an extended recovery only applied to, say, pitchers who throw with the injured arm for a living. Like, I know Bryce Harper had TJ on his throwing elbow and was back after around 6 months, though he switched from RF to 1B/ DH. Given that this is Daniels’ non-throwing arm, I’d think he would be good by the beginning of next season, easily.

seems like there’s a “football” recovery timeline, and a “might avoid a life-long debilitating condition” timeline.

Football timeline he could probably come back in 4-6 weeks. But if his UCL is torn, not getting that surgery could impact him for life.

Will be interesting to see which direction this goes. Given the state of the commanders IMO he should get whatever repairs he needs to live a long and full life.

 

[Gally]

“might avoid a life-long debilitating condition” timeline.

The UCL in the elbow is a stabilizing structure for overhead throwing motions. If you are not an athlete or do not do throwing activities often the "debilitating condition" is somewhat minor in the grand scheme of things. Being that it is in his left elbow it is even less likely to be of a debilitating nature long term regardless.

That is not to say he should just leave it be (if that is the only injury he has) but getting it repaired and back to playing likely isn't the typical duration most think of when they hear UCL repair. I am actually kind of surprised the word is out for the year without really having a report of the actual damage yet.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am actually kind of surprised the word is out for the year without really having a report of the actual damage yet.

I don’t think that’s been announced yet. All I’ve seen from the team is “indefinitely”.

 

[Ilov80s]

And people thought my RG3 comp was so far off base

 

[Faust]

Commanders' Dan Quinn says he left Jayden Daniels in too long

 

[Faust]

Jayden Daniels injury FAQ: Dislocated elbow info, recovery time

 

[Judge Smails]

And people thought my RG3 comp was so far off base

His Mom HATES the comparison - but it's starting to look that way

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Who are people picking up to replace him on your roster? WW options in my 12-team league are Flacco (on bye this week), McCarthy and Penix. May also look into trading Gadsden (I have Bowers) for someone's backup QB

 

[Crash Davis]

Who are people picking up to replace him on your roster? WW options in my 12-team league are Flacco (on bye this week), McCarthy and Penix. May also look into trading Gadsden (I have Bowers) for someone's backup QB

I have Fields but Flacco, Darnold, Penix, JJM are all out there. I have Gadsden and Laporta and was pondering offering one of them to the Kraft owner for Dak who they have backing up Lamar. Problem is that i'm tied with them for the last playoff spot, so helping them out is probably not the best strategy.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Who are people picking up to replace him on your roster? WW options in my 12-team league are Flacco (on bye this week), McCarthy and Penix. May also look into trading Gadsden (I have Bowers) for someone's backup QB

In a single QB half PPR league I lost Daniels and Kraft this week. Traded Kyren Williams to a guy for Drake Maye and George Kittle. He also has LJax and Tyler Warren. Leaves my RB's as Jacobs, Dowdle, Henderson, Benson, JCM, not spectacular but a gamble I felt was necessary.

The waiver options seemed like an acceptance that I wasn't going to be able to compete and would just see out the season as a mediocre also ran, at best. Could have potentially played matchups and juggled things about but if I was you and I'd stay off the wire till you've exhausted your trade options.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I have Gadsden and Laporta and was pondering offering one of them to the Kraft owner for Dak who they have backing up Lamar. Problem is that i'm tied with them for the last playoff spot, so helping them out is probably not the best strategy.

Can't think like that at this point. You should focus on putting the points in your starting lineup, worry about everyone else later.

Gadsden for Dak seems a mutually beneficial trade for all involved.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Who are people picking up to replace him on your roster? WW options in my 12-team league are Flacco (on bye this week), McCarthy and Penix. May also look into trading Gadsden (I have Bowers) for someone's backup QB

In a single QB half PPR league I lost Daniels and Kraft this week. Traded Kyren Williams to a guy for Drake Maye and George Kittle. He also has LJax and Tyler Warren. Leaves my RB's as Jacobs, Dowdle, Henderson, Benson, JCM, not spectacular but a gamble I felt was necessary.

The waiver options seemed like an acceptance that I wasn't going to be able to compete and would just see out the season as a mediocre also ran, at best. Could have potentially played matchups and juggled things about but if I was you and I'd stay off the wire till you've exhausted your trade options.

I would say that's a pretty good trade considering, and I obviously don't know your league, but I firmly believe that if the rest of your roster is solid you can piece things together with streamer QBs. The key is to devote two roster spots to the position, so you can plan ahead and pick up the following week's streamer in advance.

My team with Daniels is 7-2 and in first place despite horrific injury luck that I thought I was finally past (after having as many as five guys out a few weeks ago, this past week I was down to only Pearsall, who is expected to return). My hope is that I can get low-level QB1 production by streaming and then rely on Taylor, Lamb and Bowers to carry me through

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I have Gadsden and Laporta and was pondering offering one of them to the Kraft owner for Dak who they have backing up Lamar. Problem is that i'm tied with them for the last playoff spot, so helping them out is probably not the best strategy.

Can't think like that at this point. You should focus on putting the points in your starting lineup, worry about everyone else later.

Gadsden for Dak seems a mutually beneficial trade for all involved.

Agreed. In my case, the Kraft owner has Maye, Nix and Love. Would be very happy if I could get Nix for Gadsden. Only complication is that he has Theo Johnson so may just want to roll with him. But really, he should not be rostering three QBs in a non-superflex league, and it seems like a no-brainer to try to extract some value from one of them.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

My hope is that I can get low-level QB1 production by streaming and then rely on Taylor, Lamb and Bowers to carry me through

You can defo stream QB's and be fine. But the way I see it is Gadsden is providing no value at this point sitting on your bench other than a backup you'll hopefully never have to play. At this stage of the season unless a guy is going to get in your lineup I see no point in having them on your bench. You don't really want to start two tight ends so offer him out, see what you can get.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

My hope is that I can get low-level QB1 production by streaming and then rely on Taylor, Lamb and Bowers to carry me through

You can defo stream QB's and be fine. But the way I see it is Gadsden is providing no value at this point sitting on your bench other than a backup you'll hopefully never have to play. At this stage of the season unless a guy is going to get in your lineup I see no point in having them on your bench. You don't really want to start two tight ends so offer him out, see what you can get.

Yep, that's the plan. I'm going to wait until after waivers run tomorrow and see where things stand, but would definitely prefer to make that trade, especially since this is a league where people weirdly hoard QBs

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

especially since this is a league where people weirdly hoard QBs

Same as mine. Amateurish behaviour really but virtually everyone drafts a backup QB before they've even filled their starting rosters out properly. As long as you can move quickly in the early weeks to pickup whichever guy has clearly been undervalued before the season started you can get an advantage just by taking an extra usable RB or WR shot, and punting QB till the late rounds while they are all making sure their bench is nice and full of backup QB points.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

especially since this is a league where people weirdly hoard QBs

Same as mine. Amateurish behaviour really but virtually everyone drafts a backup QB before they've even filled their starting rosters out properly. As long as you can move quickly in the early weeks to pickup whichever guy has clearly been undervalued before the season started you can get an advantage just by taking an extra usable RB or WR shot, and punting QB till the late rounds while they are all making sure their bench is nice and full of backup QB points.

Was looking to trade with the Kraft manager, especially when I realized he had three QBs. Then I realized he also has Theo Johnson. Five roster spots dedicated to onesie positions (in a league with six bench spots)!

I have one friend who just always builds his roster that way, with backups at QB/TE. If his QB is lost for the season, he'll immediately pick up a new backup. I don't get it but I guess some people like the certainty.

What's annoying in these leagues is that it makes it much harder to wait until the later rounds of the draft because just as you're targeting a Dak or a Love type, they may be taking them as their QB2 (even if they already drafted a no-doubt QB1 like Allen)

 

[OnTheReg]

I also have Daniels in a league where guys hoard QBs. Somebody made a trade a few weeks ago and got both Baker and Stafford - what is the point of rostering both, exactly? I have Flacco, but he's on a bye this week - and I just don't know how long I can trust that train to keep rolling. So my options are A) waiver guys - Fields, Penix, Rodgers, Mariota or B) offer a pick to the owner who has both Hurts and Daniel Jones and try to get Jones from him. Thoughts?

 

[Crash Davis]

I have Gadsden and Laporta and was pondering offering one of them to the Kraft owner for Dak who they have backing up Lamar. Problem is that i'm tied with them for the last playoff spot, so helping them out is probably not the best strategy.

Can't think like that at this point. You should focus on putting the points in your starting lineup, worry about everyone else later.

Gadsden for Dak seems a mutually beneficial trade for all involved.

I agree to a point, but Dak is also on a bye so making that trade now means he sees one more week of benefit than I do anyway. Waiting a week runs the risk that he addresses the TE hole a different way and is happy with it since this is a short bench league and Fannin was dropped for his bye. At some point I agree that I need to cash in Gadsden or Laporta just trying to figure out how to do that optimally.

 

[Lehigh98]

Since we're talking about trade value / options in both threads...

I'm battling for 1.01 in a rebuild and this was just offered to me from a contender, no brainer?...
(SF, best ball, 6pt pass TD, +1 PPR TEP, 0.25 point per carry)

Give: Jalen Hurts & Michael Pittman
Receive: Jayden Daniels & Tucker Kraft

 

[Gally]

Since we're talking about trade value / options in both threads...

I'm battling for 1.01 in a rebuild and this was just offered to me from a contender, no brainer?...
(SF, best ball, 6pt pass TD, +1 PPR TEP, 0.25 point per carry)

Give: Jalen Hurts & Michael Pittman
Receive: Jayden Daniels & Tucker Kraft

Yes. Do it now

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I also have Daniels in a league where guys hoard QBs. Somebody made a trade a few weeks ago and got both Baker and Stafford - what is the point of rostering both, exactly? I have Flacco, but he's on a bye this week - and I just don't know how long I can trust that train to keep rolling. So my options are A) waiver guys - Fields, Penix, Rodgers, Mariota or B) offer a pick to the owner who has both Hurts and Daniel Jones and try to get Jones from him. Thoughts?

A QB platoon of Flacco and Jones has gotta be the all-time "Pray they don't turn into a pumpkin" lineup. Also, one thing to keep in mind with Flacco is that his schedule gets significantly tougher in the second half (especially if you ignore the season-long numbers on Baltimore and look at how they've been playing since they got most of their guys back).

I was offered Stafford for Kamara and I think I'm going to take it. I may also pick up Flacco just in case, but after looking at that schedule I'm not sure if it's as much of a priority.

Interestingly, the Stafford manager also has Dart, and another potential trade partner has Nix. I was comparing the three of them, and realized I have them all ranked pretty close ROS. I'd probably put Nix a tick ahead because of the running, though he's also a bit more volatile. Dart scares me because rookie QBs are always capable of crapping the bed when a DC throws something at them they've never seen before. So I kind of feel like Stafford is the best option, especially since the rest of my roster is strong so I just need steady production from QB. Also, while his TD rate seems due for regression, they really seem to be committed to those goal-line fades to Davante when they're down close

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Question for Daniels managers in IR leagues. Are you holding? I was going to just in case, but now that Pearsall looks to be out again I could use the IR slot (have Benson in the other one). Also, assuming he goes on IR, that means at an absolute minimum he's out until the fantasy playoffs (four games plus Washington's bye week). And even that is assuming a) he's back to full health by then and b) Washington wants to bring him back in what will almost certainly be a lost season.

I don't need to decide anything until Pearsall is officially declared out, but if he is I'm leaning toward dropping JD5 and assuming the very small risk that I miss out on his return to fantasy relevance before the end of the year