QB Justin Fields, NYJ (2 Viewers)

[Gjallarhorn]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

 

[Max Power]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

 

[Max Power]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

On one hand you're paying a 36 year old coming off a major injury 40mil a year. On the other you can secure a dynamic 25 year old QB.

#8 is probably too much, but a couple seconds could be in play. Bears just traded their 2nd for Sweat who was a pending FA and paid him top 3 money at the position and that is being called a "win". Point being I don't think we fans have a solid gauge on what these picks are worth to teams.

If Atlanta had any QB play this year they are a playoff team. Good QBs don't often hit the market.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

On one hand you're paying a 36 year old coming off a major injury 40mil a year. On the other you can secure a dynamic 25 year old QB.

#8 is probably too much, but a couple seconds could be in play. Bears just traded their 2nd for Sweat who was a pending FA and paid him top 3 money at the position and that is being called a "win". Point being I don't think we fans have a solid gauge on what these picks are worth to teams.

If Atlanta had any QB play this year they are a playoff team. Good QBs don't often hit the market.

As much as I like Fields, if the Bears can secure the #8 pick in a trade, it's a no brainer to be done. #1, #8, and #9 in the same draft is unheard of. That's a high end QB, WR and Edge along with depth in the rest of the draft.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

On one hand you're paying a 36 year old coming off a major injury 40mil a year. On the other you can secure a dynamic 25 year old QB.

#8 is probably too much, but a couple seconds could be in play. Bears just traded their 2nd for Sweat who was a pending FA and paid him top 3 money at the position and that is being called a "win". Point being I don't think we fans have a solid gauge on what these picks are worth to teams.

If Atlanta had any QB play this year they are a playoff team. Good QBs don't often hit the market.

As much as I like Fields, if the Bears can secure the #8 pick in a trade, it's a no brainer to be done. #1, #8, and #9 in the same draft is unheard of. That's a high end QB, WR and Edge along with depth in the rest of the draft.

There’s no way JF can get pick 8. It’d that was possible they would have inked it already.

 

[Max Power]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

On one hand you're paying a 36 year old coming off a major injury 40mil a year. On the other you can secure a dynamic 25 year old QB.

#8 is probably too much, but a couple seconds could be in play. Bears just traded their 2nd for Sweat who was a pending FA and paid him top 3 money at the position and that is being called a "win". Point being I don't think we fans have a solid gauge on what these picks are worth to teams.

If Atlanta had any QB play this year they are a playoff team. Good QBs don't often hit the market.

As much as I like Fields, if the Bears can secure the #8 pick in a trade, it's a no brainer to be done. #1, #8, and #9 in the same draft is unheard of. That's a high end QB, WR and Edge along with depth in the rest of the draft.

sadly his "mock" had MHjr, Nabers and Odunze going 4, 5 & 6.

 

[menobrown]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

On one hand you're paying a 36 year old coming off a major injury 40mil a year. On the other you can secure a dynamic 25 year old QB.

#8 is probably too much, but a couple seconds could be in play. Bears just traded their 2nd for Sweat who was a pending FA and paid him top 3 money at the position and that is being called a "win". Point being I don't think we fans have a solid gauge on what these picks are worth to teams.

If Atlanta had any QB play this year they are a playoff team. Good QBs don't often hit the market.

As much as I like Fields, if the Bears can secure the #8 pick in a trade, it's a no brainer to be done. #1, #8, and #9 in the same draft is unheard of. That's a high end QB, WR and Edge along with depth in the rest of the draft.

There’s no way JF can get pick 8. It’d that was possible they would have inked it already.

Pick 8!!! LOL.

He's a day two pick, somewhere in the second-third round range.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

I love Kirk Cousins and he would bring a lot to Atlanta and the fantasy assets there. Kirk has to prove he is in good to go. I have no idea what Atlanta's numbers look like but if they can afford it then he is a good option for the next couple of years maybe a few depending on his health.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Welp. I just added Kyler Murray to my Dynasty 1 QB room. I did not want to wait till after the NFL draft for obvious reasons and maybe some not-so-obvious reasons to add another QB. Murray was on my shortlist. I now have Murray, Fields, and Baker. Fields was my QB one but now I have an option that I like in case it all goes South. I gave up the 1.12 for those interested.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

Mel Kiper is still a thing? I know he was big in the 90s, but does he still have a voice that people listen to?

“According to The Huddle Report in 2014, based on Kiper's final mock drafts, he had accurately predicted 23% of the first round picks in the previous five years.[9] Kiper's initial drafts were even lower, correctly predicting 17 out of 256 from 2010–2018.[4] In 2021, FantasyPros ranked Kiper's final mock draft 87th of 182 and Grading the Experts ranked his draft 32nd of 38.[14] In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information”

I don't think Kiper is a guru or anything these days, but it was an ESPN broadcast so he's at least still getting a payday. FTR I don't think the Bears would get #8 overall for JF. However the way Kiper framed it was interesting. ATL's #1 need by far is a QB. They aren't getting any of the top 3 at #8 and he thinks JF is a better QB than Penix.

I am more inclined to think that Atlanta would sign Kirk Cousins, but what do I know?

Also, ESPN is not what it used to be either. Steven A. Smith is also getting a huge payday from them as well.

On one hand you're paying a 36 year old coming off a major injury 40mil a year. On the other you can secure a dynamic 25 year old QB.

#8 is probably too much, but a couple seconds could be in play. Bears just traded their 2nd for Sweat who was a pending FA and paid him top 3 money at the position and that is being called a "win". Point being I don't think we fans have a solid gauge on what these picks are worth to teams.

If Atlanta had any QB play this year they are a playoff team. Good QBs don't often hit the market.

As much as I like Fields, if the Bears can secure the #8 pick in a trade, it's a no brainer to be done. #1, #8, and #9 in the same draft is unheard of. That's a high end QB, WR and Edge along with depth in the rest of the draft.

There’s no way JF can get pick 8. It’d that was possible they would have inked it already.

Pick 8!!! LOL.

He's a day two pick, somewhere in the second-third round range.

Yeah. He might get an early 2nd best case scenario. #8 lmao. I actually like Fields but you’re not only giving up the pick but also probably signing him to a big long term contract.

 

[FairWarning]

https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1749639494611906580?s=46&t=_U9iNjAuwDxyWdn4JJOoYw

I’ll place this right here.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

 

[FairWarning]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

In a salary cap league, you need to get CW up to speed ASAP.

 

[Max Power]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

 

[Max Power]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

In a salary cap league, you need to get CW up to speed ASAP.

I think the rush to start QBs so early in their careers is probably stunting a lot of their growth. A lot can be gained by holding a clipboard for a year.

For the Bears starting Caleb is probably the only realistic options. No reason to bring in a vet to start off the year.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think its best for a clean break at this point

I go to bed every night hoping for a trade to PIT or ATL.

CHI is a horribly mismanaged franchise, and the further away from it Fields is, the better for my FF teams.

 

[Max Power]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

The 5th year option really complicates it. Fields is only a 6mil cap hit this year which really isn't even bad for backup money. Next year it jumps to 20mil and the Bears need to make the call on that option soon. If they pick up the option and he doesn't play well, he loses all trade value.

From the football perspective it makes sense, but it doesn't from a business standpoint.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

The 5th year option really complicates it. Fields is only a 6mil cap hit this year which really isn't even bad for backup money. Next year it jumps to 20mil and the Bears need to make the call on that option soon. If they pick up the option and he doesn't play well, he loses all trade value.

From the football perspective it makes sense, but it doesn't from a business standpoint.

Understandable, I just want the Bears to freaking develop a QB anytime during my lifetime and not just ruin another player.

 

[farfromforgotten]

https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1749639494611906580?s=46&t=_U9iNjAuwDxyWdn4JJOoYw

I’ll place this right here.

So I take it that “6” is all from this year? I’m not sure if I understand the chart correctly or not in that matter. If so, it doesn’t mean as much if the league MVP only has 7, does it?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

The 5th year option really complicates it. Fields is only a 6mil cap hit this year which really isn't even bad for backup money. Next year it jumps to 20mil and the Bears need to make the call on that option soon. If they pick up the option and he doesn't play well, he loses all trade value.

From the football perspective it makes sense, but it doesn't from a business standpoint.

“If” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there considering how much he improved this year.

6M is a bargain, and I can’t imagine Fields would play worse if they move down for a boatload of picks, draft MH2 & improve the 22nd ranked OL while filling other holes.

It would be absolutely shocking, really.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I just want the Bears to freaking develop a QB anytime during my lifetime and not just ruin another player.

They’re doing it right now.

They’re just likely to give up on him too soon & let another franchise benefit.

Caleb might well be Manziel II while Fields lights it up to Dionte & Pickens next year.

Non-zero chance, and all that.

 

[menobrown]

https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1749639494611906580?s=46&t=_U9iNjAuwDxyWdn4JJOoYw

I’ll place this right here.

So I take it that “6” is all from this year? I’m not sure if I understand the chart correctly or not in that matter. If so, it doesn’t mean as much if the league MVP only has 7, does it?

He had just 3 games this year he went over 225 but I despise what this person is trying to do, reeks of cherry picking stats to prove a point and in general I hate arbitrary cut off points. He had games of 223, 217, 216 and 211 that did not make the cut.

I do think he's subpar in the passing game, this would not be the chart or method I'd want to use to illustrate it(no offense FairWarning)

 

[Max Power]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

The 5th year option really complicates it. Fields is only a 6mil cap hit this year which really isn't even bad for backup money. Next year it jumps to 20mil and the Bears need to make the call on that option soon. If they pick up the option and he doesn't play well, he loses all trade value.

From the football perspective it makes sense, but it doesn't from a business standpoint.

“If” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there considering how much he improved this year.

6M is a bargain, and I can’t imagine Fields would play worse if they move down for a boatload of picks, draft MH2 & improve the 22nd ranked OL while filling other holes.

It would be absolutely shocking, really.

Its one of the most frustrating things about being a Bears fan. We get sold on the idea of a "rookie QB contract clock" where because you're only paying your QB pennies on the dollar, a team can surround them with a ton of talent. Its a great idea when it works.

Year 1 was a mess for the whole team and Nagy shown the door. Year 2 we gut the team and lose 3-4 of our best players. Year 3 we spend a little bit of money... but also "wanted to be smart" about it. This team was lacking talent outside of Moore/Kmet and I think Herbert is clearly a #2 RB.

So now we wasted 3 years of JFs rookie clock and still really didn't surround him with high end talent. Time to Trade him for less than he's worth and start over... But I'm sure it will work this time!

 

[Grahamburn]

If Fields is worth the 8th pick why would you ever consider trading him in the first place?

 

[FairWarning]

https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1749639494611906580?s=46&t=_U9iNjAuwDxyWdn4JJOoYw

I’ll place this right here.

So I take it that “6” is all from this year? I’m not sure if I understand the chart correctly or not in that matter. If so, it doesn’t mean as much if the league MVP only has 7, does it?

He had just 3 games this year he went over 225 but I despise what this person is trying to do, reeks of cherry picking stats to prove a point and in general I hate arbitrary cut off points. He had games of 223, 217, 216 and 211 that did not make the cut.

I do think he's subpar in the passing game, this would not be the chart or method I'd want to use to illustrate it(no offense FairWarning)

I remember when Fields had his first 300-yard game, people made such a big deal about it. I watch his understudy at OSU (Stroud) throwing for 250-300 every week. It wouldn’t be that big a deal if he were running, but he cut back on that also. They played a pretty weak schedule, and the offense is still spinning its wheels.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

I like Fields but the 8th pick? That would be a lot different than what I have been hearing from NFL gurus but the think tank is not always right. I would consider that a haul. I was thinking more in the 2nd range with a future pick in another year perhaps a player included instead of a future pick.

 

[massraider]

How about the Steelers?

 

[Max Power]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

I like Fields but the 8th pick? That would be a lot different than what I have been hearing from NFL gurus but the think tank is not always right. I would consider that a haul. I was thinking more in the 2nd range with a future pick in another year perhaps a player included instead of a future pick.

Yeah maybe Mel is a bit past his prime these days, but trade values are tough to pinpoint.
I think he sees it from the perspective that Fields is better than the 4th QB off the board, so it would be the better value for Atlanta at that point.
He probably isn't valuing in contract, but again it's tough with player values.

 

[Da Franchise]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

The 5th year option really complicates it. Fields is only a 6mil cap hit this year which really isn't even bad for backup money. Next year it jumps to 20mil and the Bears need to make the call on that option soon. If they pick up the option and he doesn't play well, he loses all trade value.

From the football perspective it makes sense, but it doesn't from a business standpoint.

“If” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there considering how much he improved this year.

6M is a bargain, and I can’t imagine Fields would play worse if they move down for a boatload of picks, draft MH2 & improve the 22nd ranked OL while filling other holes.

It would be absolutely shocking, really.

Its one of the most frustrating things about being a Bears fan. We get sold on the idea of a "rookie QB contract clock" where because you're only paying your QB pennies on the dollar, a team can surround them with a ton of talent. Its a great idea when it works.

Year 1 was a mess for the whole team and Nagy shown the door. Year 2 we gut the team and lose 3-4 of our best players. Year 3 we spend a little bit of money... but also "wanted to be smart" about it. This team was lacking talent outside of Moore/Kmet and I think Herbert is clearly a #2 RB.

So now we wasted 3 years of JFs rookie clock and still really didn't surround him with high end talent. Time to Trade him for less than he's worth and start over... But I'm sure it will work this time!

Sure it sucks you guys wasted his first three years but, what would you suggest instead? Sign him to a big extension? He sure doesn’t seem good enough for that. Whether it worked last time or not, there is no faster path to turning a franchise from a bottom dweller to a contender than landing a really good QB on a rookie deal. That’s just the reality.

It’s the same proposition as just drafting a 1st round QB in general. Okay, the last one busted.. What are you gonna do, just not take one again? Nah, you walk back up to the window, buy some more chips, go sit back down at the table and try again.

Really doubt anyone wants to give Fields a Daniel Jones contract and if they do, it’s a big yikes for me dawg. So you trade him, take your highest rated QB, and hope your evaluation process and efforts to develop him and build a team around him are better this time. It would be quite unwise to do anything else.

Resetting the clock isn’t a scam. It’s just the smart thing to do.

 

[Max Power]

I wish some of my dynasty SF league mates were as down on JF as some of you guys.

I say no way to a 2nd round pick. Draft Williams and let’s have 2 starting calibre QB’s for a season or 2. Worst case, JF gets outplayed pretty badly and Williams plays pretty much the entire 1st season. That’s a win for the Bears as JF is likely still worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Or, JF comes out and balls out! Now that’s a problem as a long time bears fan that I would love to debate. What to do …. 1st rnd picks would be coming our way.

I think its best for a clean break at this point. Get the draft capital this year and hope JF can go elsewhere to do better things. Bears should still be able to swing a second round in a trade.

I get that and I also get that this is a popular opinion.

My vote would be to keep both, unless a nice trade opportunity comes along. Let Caleb sit back and learn. Green Bay seems to have figured this out. Something us Bears fan can’t even dream about.

The 5th year option really complicates it. Fields is only a 6mil cap hit this year which really isn't even bad for backup money. Next year it jumps to 20mil and the Bears need to make the call on that option soon. If they pick up the option and he doesn't play well, he loses all trade value.

From the football perspective it makes sense, but it doesn't from a business standpoint.

“If” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there considering how much he improved this year.

6M is a bargain, and I can’t imagine Fields would play worse if they move down for a boatload of picks, draft MH2 & improve the 22nd ranked OL while filling other holes.

It would be absolutely shocking, really.

Its one of the most frustrating things about being a Bears fan. We get sold on the idea of a "rookie QB contract clock" where because you're only paying your QB pennies on the dollar, a team can surround them with a ton of talent. Its a great idea when it works.

Year 1 was a mess for the whole team and Nagy shown the door. Year 2 we gut the team and lose 3-4 of our best players. Year 3 we spend a little bit of money... but also "wanted to be smart" about it. This team was lacking talent outside of Moore/Kmet and I think Herbert is clearly a #2 RB.

So now we wasted 3 years of JFs rookie clock and still really didn't surround him with high end talent. Time to Trade him for less than he's worth and start over... But I'm sure it will work this time!

Sure it sucks you guys wasted his first three years but, what would you suggest instead? Sign him to a big extension? He sure doesn’t seem good enough for that. Whether it worked last time or not, there is no faster path to turning a franchise from a bottom dweller to a contender than landing a really good QB on a rookie deal. That’s just the reality.

It’s the same proposition as just drafting a 1st round QB in general. Okay, the last one busted.. What are you gonna do, just not take one again? Nah, you walk back up to the window, buy some more chips, go sit back down at the table and try again.

Really doubt anyone wants to give Fields a Daniel Jones contract and if they do, it’s a big yikes for me dawg. So you trade him, take your highest rated QB, and hope your evaluation process and efforts to develop him and build a team around him are better this time. It would be quite unwise to do anything else.

Resetting the clock isn’t a scam. It’s just the smart thing to do.

Well I would hope we wouldn't do the same thing again, but it looks that way now. Drafting a first round QB with a coach on the hot seat. Hard for the GM to sell his rebuild plan if we go backwards. Young QB loses stability, maybe gets a new offensive in year two... it's a recipe for failure and keeps a team drafting a QB in rd 1 every 3 or 4 years.

It's the smart thing to do if they do it right. Bears don't do it right.

Truth is JF wasn't dealt the best hand in Chicago. He has flashed and has improved this year, but still looks to be a flawed QB. We don't know what Caleb Williams will turn out to be either.

I think a trade for the number 1 pick could be better for the franchise. 3 firsts and a couple seconds has shown to be as beneficial as taking a swing on a QB early.

Hardest part with JF is that his value is all over the map. Some posters don't think he's even a starting QB in the NFL and the Bears are lucky to get a third rd pick for him. Others think a Daniel Jones style contract is a possibility. The truth is that he falls somewhere in between. Depending where... it's not the worst idea to surround him with a huge haul and see how it shakes out.

 

[Da Franchise]

Woosh

 

[menobrown]

Watching the Mel Kiper draft analysis and he is dead set on JF being worth the 8th overall pick to Atlanta. He sounds pretty low on Penix.

I like Fields but the 8th pick? That would be a lot different than what I have been hearing from NFL gurus but the think tank is not always right. I would consider that a haul. I was thinking more in the 2nd range with a future pick in another year perhaps a player included instead of a future pick.

Yeah maybe Mel is a bit past his prime these days, but trade values are tough to pinpoint.
I think he sees it from the perspective that Fields is better than the 4th QB off the board, so it would be the better value for Atlanta at that point.
He probably isn't valuing in contract, but again it's tough with player values.

Regarding his trade value. I thought I posted this before. Maybe no one puts stock in anonymous GM's, but I thought it was insightful. The article from Charles Robinson was published on December 14th, which was right before week 15. Several of the GM's noted what he did the ROS should factor into what he might bring in a trade, you can all judge that on your own but I did not see anything to alter his value anything of note weeks 15-18.

7 GM's were polled, all said they would trade Fields and draft Caleb and here is anticipated return:

GM one: A second-round and fourth-round pick, pending a “good finish” to the season.

GM two: A second-round pick, pending a “strong finish” to the season.

GM three: A third-round pick, plus another late-round pick that could escalate one round based on performance.

GM four: One third-round pick in the 2024 draft, one fourth-round pick in the 2025 draft.

GM five: A third-round pick or a second-round draft pick for Fields, plus a late-round pick back from the Bears.

GMs six and seven had the same proposal: A third-round pick, pending the finish of this season.

Bears trading Justin Fields? GMs explain why it’s the best route and where compensation could land - Yahoo Sports

Seven GMs who spoke to Yahoo Sports have a consensus on whether the Bears should keep Fields, what NFL offense would best suit him and what Chicago could get for him. And the latter might not be what the Bears want to hear.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[ZWK]

Hayden Winks proposes:

Raiders offseason plan
1) Hire Antonio Pierce
2) Retain Champ Kelly because he led interviews
3) Trade a 2nd for Justin Fields because Kelly was the scouting director of the Bears when he was drafted

Guessing a Justin Fields trade between the Bears and Raiders would be something like 44th and 112th overall plus a future 2nd.

I think that'd be fun for both sides. Not many options at QB for Raiders right now. Fields at least has a path to upside.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Hayden Winks proposes:

Raiders offseason plan
1) Hire Antonio Pierce
2) Retain Champ Kelly because he led interviews
3) Trade a 2nd for Justin Fields because Kelly was the scouting director of the Bears when he was drafted

Guessing a Justin Fields trade between the Bears and Raiders would be something like 44th and 112th overall plus a future 2nd.

I think that'd be fun for both sides. Not many options at QB for Raiders right now. Fields at least has a path to upside.

I wouldn’t mind Fields to the Raiders. They have receiving talent and a decent OL.

Steelers would probably be my preferred landing spot. But I wouldn’t hate JF the Raider.

 

[Max Power]

Hayden Winks proposes:

Raiders offseason plan
1) Hire Antonio Pierce
2) Retain Champ Kelly because he led interviews
3) Trade a 2nd for Justin Fields because Kelly was the scouting director of the Bears when he was drafted

Guessing a Justin Fields trade between the Bears and Raiders would be something like 44th and 112th overall plus a future 2nd.

I think that'd be fun for both sides. Not many options at QB for Raiders right now. Fields at least has a path to upside.

That would be a solid return for JF. I'd be happy with it.

I think his last couple of points makes the case. He'll be 25 next season, he's shown improvement, teams can clearly see he wasn't put in the best position to succeed. The guy has one elite level skill currently and a team can do something with that or at least have optimism they can. Teams have taken on bigger projects at QB.

The options at QB this offseason will ultimately drive the market. The Raiders are realistically sitting behind 7 teams that could take a QB before they pick in the draft. If they wait until RD 2 you add another 2-3 teams and there is always a risk of a team drafting a QB to develop.

I think the top 3 QBs go in the first 5 picks. The next 3 of Penix, Nix and McCarthy will probably be all over team's boards. Russ Wilson might be the only starter level guy who hits FA. I think Cousins stays in Minnesota. Mayfield is staying in Tampa.

 

[Faust]

The Athletic’s Vic Tafur suggested that the Raiders recent hiring of offensive coordinator Luke Getsy means the team will not be looking to trade for Justin Fields.

There had been some speculation that the Raiders would be one of the teams most likely to make a trade for Justin Fields since the Bears appear likely to draft USC QB Caleb Williams with the first pick in the NFL Draft. However, the presence of Getsy, who was just let go as the Bears offensive coordinator would make that unlikely. Fields never looked fully comfortable in Getsy’s offense, and it took a while for the Bears to allow Fields to use his legs and make plays off script in a way that makes him valuable. The Raiders will likely look in other directions to upgrade at the QB position and Justin Fields’ list of potential teams appears limited now to the Falcons, Steelers, and maybe Seahawks or Patriots.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

The Athletic’s Vic Tafur suggested that the Raiders recent hiring of offensive coordinator Luke Getsy means the team will not be looking to trade for Justin Fields.

There had been some speculation that the Raiders would be one of the teams most likely to make a trade for Justin Fields since the Bears appear likely to draft USC QB Caleb Williams with the first pick in the NFL Draft. However, the presence of Getsy, who was just let go as the Bears offensive coordinator would make that unlikely. Fields never looked fully comfortable in Getsy’s offense, and it took a while for the Bears to allow Fields to use his legs and make plays off script in a way that makes him valuable. The Raiders will likely look in other directions to upgrade at the QB position and Justin Fields’ list of potential teams appears limited now to the Falcons, Steelers, and maybe Seahawks or Patriots.

LOL. Ya think, Vic Tafur?

 

[travdogg]

So, with all the rumors being anywhere from "Bears could get a 1st for Fields" to "Bears would be lucky to get a 3rd for Fields" I decided to look at the recent history of 1st round QBs after 3 seasons, and the results were interesting. In the 10-year stretch of 2012-2021, there were 32 QBs taken in the 1st round. Fields is somewhere in the 13-15 range in my opinion.

So mathematically, there is about a 56% chance Fields is better than a QB taken in the 1st round. Now, I'm not saying I'd prefer him to Williams, Maye, or even Daniels. But over someone like Nix, Penix, or McCarthy, it gets much more questionable, and there is a strong chance he doesn't cost as much draft capital. Personally, I think a 2nd and 5th is a very fair and realistic price for Fields. If you could guarantee me Nix or maybe Penix makes it to round 2, I'd perhaps prefer them, but that's unlikely and unknowable. I'd take Fields over McCarthy at the same price.

The wildcard is Russell Wilson. If you are a team like Atlanta, Las Vegas, or Pittsburgh, do you prefer a rookie, a young QB with upside (Fields), or a vet (Wilson, maybe even Tannehill?)

 

[Faust]

Adam Schefter Delivers Huge Nugget On Justin Fields Trade Market

 

[brewer]

So, with all the rumors being anywhere from "Bears could get a 1st for Fields" to "Bears would be lucky to get a 3rd for Fields" I decided to look at the recent history of 1st round QBs after 3 seasons, and the results were interesting. In the 10-year stretch of 2012-2021, there were 32 QBs taken in the 1st round. Fields is somewhere in the 13-15 range in my opinion.

So mathematically, there is about a 56% chance Fields is better than a QB taken in the 1st round. Now, I'm not saying I'd prefer him to Williams, Maye, or even Daniels. But over someone like Nix, Penix, or McCarthy, it gets much more questionable, and there is a strong chance he doesn't cost as much draft capital. Personally, I think a 2nd and 5th is a very fair and realistic price for Fields. If you could guarantee me Nix or maybe Penix makes it to round 2, I'd perhaps prefer them, but that's unlikely and unknowable. I'd take Fields over McCarthy at the same price.

The wildcard is Russell Wilson. If you are a team like Atlanta, Las Vegas, or Pittsburgh, do you prefer a rookie, a young QB with upside (Fields), or a vet (Wilson, maybe even Tannehill?)

I agree with you on the talent front, but you also have to consider the contract front. If you draft a rookie, you have him at a reasonable salary for 5 years. With Fields, you get 1 and then will have to negotiate a much larger number. Wilson comes with a huge number right off the bat.

 

[menobrown]

When a guy like Peliserro is saying he could get a first round pick back he's dong a favor for someone, probably Poles.

He's not getting a first back or anything on par with a first on a trade value chart. You'll all see soon enough.

 

[travdogg]

So, with all the rumors being anywhere from "Bears could get a 1st for Fields" to "Bears would be lucky to get a 3rd for Fields" I decided to look at the recent history of 1st round QBs after 3 seasons, and the results were interesting. In the 10-year stretch of 2012-2021, there were 32 QBs taken in the 1st round. Fields is somewhere in the 13-15 range in my opinion.

So mathematically, there is about a 56% chance Fields is better than a QB taken in the 1st round. Now, I'm not saying I'd prefer him to Williams, Maye, or even Daniels. But over someone like Nix, Penix, or McCarthy, it gets much more questionable, and there is a strong chance he doesn't cost as much draft capital. Personally, I think a 2nd and 5th is a very fair and realistic price for Fields. If you could guarantee me Nix or maybe Penix makes it to round 2, I'd perhaps prefer them, but that's unlikely and unknowable. I'd take Fields over McCarthy at the same price.

The wildcard is Russell Wilson. If you are a team like Atlanta, Las Vegas, or Pittsburgh, do you prefer a rookie, a young QB with upside (Fields), or a vet (Wilson, maybe even Tannehill?)

I agree with you on the talent front, but you also have to consider the contract front. If you draft a rookie, you have him at a reasonable salary for 5 years. With Fields, you get 1 and then will have to negotiate a much larger number. Wilson comes with a huge number right off the bat.

I think one has to ask themselves what is more important, financial cost, or draft capital cost? Personally, I would answer draft capital cost, and I expect most GMs would too.

A pick swap deal might be interesting, especially from the Falcons. Like Bears get #8, #74, and a 4th/5th round pick for #9 and Fields.

I think Russell Wilson might be extremely cheap actually. Denver owes him a ton of money, so I could see him taking a well below market deal, knowing he's getting high-end money regardless from Denver.

 

[Gally]

I saw the Fields haters post his 1st 3 years stats next to Mariota.

I then saw the pro Fields post his 1st 3 years stats next to Brees.


Just thought it was amusing how we can use stats to push any narrative.

Statistics never lie.........but statisticians do!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Statistics never lie.........but statisticians do!

"Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination”
― Andrew Lang


My favorite is:

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
- Aaron Levenstein

 

[travdogg]

One thing that bugs me a lot about the discourse around Fields (and even moreso around Hurts/Allen) is this weird idea that passing stats are more important than rushing stats. Sure, passers are probably more likely to age better going into their 30's, but that doesn't matter right now, and rushing shouldn't be dismissed. You constantly see arguments based on stats like passing yards and TD/INT ratio, which I feel tell an inaccurate picture with rushing QBs.

Fields per game total yardage numbers the last 2 seasons are right there with what Baker Mayfield and Derek Carr did this year, and not all that different than Trevor Lawrence, who I think is the league's most overrated player (look up Lawrence v. Mariota) and yet Fields for whatever reason is the one who people are in a hurry to say sucks.

Fields per game TD/INT average the last 2 seasons is 27-12. His yardage average is 4,023. I'm not arguing Fields is some star player or anything, but he's been the least of the Bears problems the last 2 seasons.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Statistics never lie.........but statisticians do!

"Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination”
― Andrew Lang


My favorite is:

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
- Aaron Levenstein

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted"

 

[osubuckeyeman]

The question for me and the only question is do I think one of the available QBs will be better than Justin in the next two years and beyond? If I think one is and will be then I'm trading JF for as much draft capital as possible and selecting my QB of the future with the #1 pick. If I think JF is better( or equal to) than any QB available now and later (2 years) and beyond then I'm picking up JF's fifth-year option on May 2nd and or working on an extension later knowing I'm most likely paying the market value and hoping that I am paying market value for him. The most important thing is how you feel about JF compared to Williams or Maye. And let's be honest it's Justin vs Caleb.

There is a risk with either decision. Jobs will be on the line with whatever you decide as the decision maker. The future of the franchise is on the line with whatever they/you choose. There also could be a likely chance it works out both ways. JF develops for whoever and wherever and becomes a very good NFL QB. Caleb Williams gets drafted and is a very good QB as well.

For fantasy? I'm sticking with Justin Fields. I hate he is back to learning a new offense but he is elite with his legs and Fantasy is much different than the real-world NFL. I of course hope he ends up landing in a good spot but even in a bad landing spot he is going to use those wonderful legs of his. I'm a bit biased though. I gave up a lot to draft him and he took me to the promised land. In the real NFL, I would do what I said above. I would be very shocked if they already did not know what they were doing and how they felt. Unless something comes up on Caleb Williams or waiting on some kind of personal evaluation. Caleb Willams not having an Agent is interesting though. I wonder how that is going to work.

 

[Gally]

and not everything that counts can be counted"

you must be talking about momentum....