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That's just not the case. This will be year 4 and in the Spring they'll have to declare a 5th year option. There's plenty of time. Maybe they extend him if the Bears are 100% in on Fields, but it seems like an awful risky thing to do before the season starts.
The Jets a few years ago had a few year run I'd absolutely put in that class.
I think you either fully commit to Fields or you cut bait and start over. I don’t see how you just keep Fields and tell the fanbase, “sure we had a chance to take an elite QB prospect but we still want to see what this QB that we don’t fully believe in can do.”
They have 2 years before they'd have to make that choice with Fields though. Why commit when you don't have to?
The problem being any team trading up can't really put the pieces around him. The Bears can.
We do realize winning the draft is not the goal?
I can see a team getting desperate and offering too much. I was liking the Raiders rumors when those were floating around. Couple firsts, seconds, thirds and Maxx Crosby. Raiders Offense would still have all their playmakers.
Sure. At some point there's an "offer I can't refuse" situation.
I’ve been saying that’s my 2nd favorite landing spot after ATL.
Tannehill has the Smith connection, though I feel like Tannehill at this point, isn't a starter. Like if they brought in Tannehill, I'd take that as a sign that its Pickett's job to lose. I could be off base, but Tannehill staying in Tennessee (as a mentor/insurance policy) makes a lot of sense for both sides.
That feels really low for the Raiders, and as much as I'd be totally fine with it, probably high for the Bears.
Depending on what the market is for Fields the Patriots seem to be a pretty good team to bet on. They could trade their 2nd rounder which is 34th overall and maybe another pick in next year's draft say a 5th. They might be able to get it done just for that 2nd (34th) draft MHJ with their first pick which is 3rd overall. Pick up the 5th-year option on Fields which gives you 2 years to decide if he is your QB of the future. In one swoop you have improved the offense maybe for years to come or maybe not but seems like a pretty good deal for both. The Bears could get Fields out of the NFC and gain a pretty decent trade package from the Pats. The Pats get to MAYBE set their future on offense. The Pats still have 5 other picks to build the rest of the roster. I suppose this depends on how Mayo feels about Fields and the other QBs available at #3. It also depends on what other teams are willing to pay for Fields but The Pats having such a high 2nd (34th) and being in the AFC would be very attractive. We can get even deeper going over the contract reset at QB for the Pats by taking Jayden or Drake compared to Fields. This is already a long post so I won't go there. The Patriots hired Alex Van Pelt Brown's ex-OC not sure if this hurts or helps Fields to New England. I think it could be a coin flip.
I think ideally you make a move before FA if the move is trading Fields, if its trading the #1 pick then wait as long as needed. I would think this is a decision that should be made before FA begins.
Regardless of all the media pleasantries, there will not be a Getsy/Fields reunion in LVR. Getsy needs an Alex Smith type QB in his 'system' and his efforts to mold Fields into that with the Bears was an unmitigated disaster.
I’m all for setting up your “system” to play to the QB’s strengths, but at what point does the player have to take some accountability for the results?
In general, I am of the mind that if you like a QB, take him.
Go back and rewatch the first 3 games of the season. That disaster is 100% on Getsy. Every offensive unit (OL, WRs, TEs, QBs) was disorganized, unprepared, and on a different page from one another. In particular, watch the offensive 'creativity' once the scripted plays were done.
The reason I don't think of the Raiders and Fields is the smoke between Fields and Getsy. I could be wrong and maybe it's not true but there was plenty of talk of the two not getting along and I think there could be some truth to it. The 2nd reason is I'm not sure a new staff wants to bring a QB and OC together that honestly showed improvement but did not reach the playoffs along with the smoke between the two. I could be fine with this if Getsy wants this. He has said some nice things about Fields recently though I think that is the best thing to say to make the whole thing go away. I mean what else is he going to say publicly? And I don't think it's all just a Getsy thing. Field's pressers looked painful at points last season and he made a point that maybe coaching was part of the reason for the offense not performing as well as it could be or putting him in the best situation to succeed.
I'm a Bucs' fan. I watched week 2. Fields had enormous amounts of time in that game and he held the ball WAY too long on numerous plays. Everything you're saying about the players not being on the same page falls on the QB too. The OC calls a play. It's up to the players to be on the same page. Once you're in the game it's up to the QB to make sure his guys are doing what they're supposed to do.
Any trade scenario, in my mind, presupposes that they don't like the guy that's there.
I think your hope if you're Pittsburgh is you continue to play smothering defense and have the lead late in games where you're grinding out the game by running it. It makes sense and Vegas agrees.
This is pretty much precisely how I feel about that as a Steelers fan (and why I am less than thrilled with their Smith hire). Its not even just "better defenses" to worry about. That brand of offense gets tilted the moment one of Mahomes/Allen/Jackson comes to town. When you NEED to have your QB drive the scoring in a given week to win you a game, Artie's offense makes fart noises more often than not.
That said, would Fields in that offense upgrade their current QB situation? Likely, as that's not that tough to do when the alternatives are Kenny Pickett and... XXX. Would that get them anything more than 9-10 wins and rolled in the WC round, though? Fairly unlikely.
He'd probably guarantee tp keep Tomlin's "over .500 (without a playoff win) streak" alive though.
Yeah, it wasn't the 2nd time in a row. It was the 4th time on the same drive. You don't do that to be tricky.
And you think Bo Nix or Penix are doing that? I get Fields has limitations, but he also has some elite traits. I'm very confident he will have a better career than 3 or 4 of the QB taken in the first two rounds of this next draft.I think your hope if you're Pittsburgh is you continue to play smothering defense and have the lead late in games where you're grinding out the game by running it. It makes sense and Vegas agrees.
This is pretty much precisely how I feel about that as a Steelers fan (and why I am less than thrilled with their Smith hire). Its not even just "better defenses" to worry about. That brand of offense gets tilted the moment one of Mahomes/Allen/Jackson comes to town. When you NEED to have your QB drive the scoring in a given week to win you a game, Artie's offense makes fart noises more often than not.
That said, would Fields in that offense upgrade their current QB situation? Likely, as that's not that tough to do when the alternatives are Kenny Pickett and... XXX. Would that get them anything more than 9-10 wins and rolled in the WC round, though? Fairly unlikely.
He'd probably guarantee tp keep Tomlin's "over .500 (without a playoff win) streak" alive though.
Your point remains though, at some point you're going to have to beat one of these great AFC QBs by going the full length of the field throwing the football.
I agree, but he isn’t a brand new toy.And you think Bo Nix or Penix are doing that? I get Fields has limitations, but he also has some elite traits. I'm very confident he will have a better career than 3 or 4 of the QB taken in the first two rounds of this next draft.I think your hope if you're Pittsburgh is you continue to play smothering defense and have the lead late in games where you're grinding out the game by running it. It makes sense and Vegas agrees.
This is pretty much precisely how I feel about that as a Steelers fan (and why I am less than thrilled with their Smith hire). Its not even just "better defenses" to worry about. That brand of offense gets tilted the moment one of Mahomes/Allen/Jackson comes to town. When you NEED to have your QB drive the scoring in a given week to win you a game, Artie's offense makes fart noises more often than not.
That said, would Fields in that offense upgrade their current QB situation? Likely, as that's not that tough to do when the alternatives are Kenny Pickett and... XXX. Would that get them anything more than 9-10 wins and rolled in the WC round, though? Fairly unlikely.
He'd probably guarantee tp keep Tomlin's "over .500 (without a playoff win) streak" alive though.
Your point remains though, at some point you're going to have to beat one of these great AFC QBs by going the full length of the field throwing the football.
I think Nix fits well in that type of offense though. Penix less so. He's going to win from the pocket if he's successful. I'm wary of Penix.And you think Bo Nix or Penix are doing that? I get Fields has limitations, but he also has some elite traits. I'm very confident he will have a better career than 3 or 4 of the QB taken in the first two rounds of this next draft.I think your hope if you're Pittsburgh is you continue to play smothering defense and have the lead late in games where you're grinding out the game by running it. It makes sense and Vegas agrees.
This is pretty much precisely how I feel about that as a Steelers fan (and why I am less than thrilled with their Smith hire). Its not even just "better defenses" to worry about. That brand of offense gets tilted the moment one of Mahomes/Allen/Jackson comes to town. When you NEED to have your QB drive the scoring in a given week to win you a game, Artie's offense makes fart noises more often than not.
That said, would Fields in that offense upgrade their current QB situation? Likely, as that's not that tough to do when the alternatives are Kenny Pickett and... XXX. Would that get them anything more than 9-10 wins and rolled in the WC round, though? Fairly unlikely.
He'd probably guarantee tp keep Tomlin's "over .500 (without a playoff win) streak" alive though.
Your point remains though, at some point you're going to have to beat one of these great AFC QBs by going the full length of the field throwing the football.
Yeah, I wanna see price.
That's why I think a team like Pittsburgh with a mid-2nd makes so much sense.
I think that same way about the Steelers in the sense of, you made the playoffs with BY FAR the worst QB play of any team that did. Fields is an upgrade if he plays exactly the way he's played so far in his career, but he's also still only 24, and has shown improvement each year. Its possible/likely, that we've mostly seen his floor. I think the rookie contract thing is a little overblown. Its one of those things that makes sense in a vacuum but doesn't necessarily make a big difference. Only 1 of the final 4 teams this year had a QB on a rookie deal. Of the 8 division winners, only SF and Houston had rookie deal QBs.I think Nix fits well in that type of offense though. Penix less so. He's going to win from the pocket if he's successful. I'm wary of Penix.And you think Bo Nix or Penix are doing that? I get Fields has limitations, but he also has some elite traits. I'm very confident he will have a better career than 3 or 4 of the QB taken in the first two rounds of this next draft.I think your hope if you're Pittsburgh is you continue to play smothering defense and have the lead late in games where you're grinding out the game by running it. It makes sense and Vegas agrees.
This is pretty much precisely how I feel about that as a Steelers fan (and why I am less than thrilled with their Smith hire). Its not even just "better defenses" to worry about. That brand of offense gets tilted the moment one of Mahomes/Allen/Jackson comes to town. When you NEED to have your QB drive the scoring in a given week to win you a game, Artie's offense makes fart noises more often than not.
That said, would Fields in that offense upgrade their current QB situation? Likely, as that's not that tough to do when the alternatives are Kenny Pickett and... XXX. Would that get them anything more than 9-10 wins and rolled in the WC round, though? Fairly unlikely.
He'd probably guarantee tp keep Tomlin's "over .500 (without a playoff win) streak" alive though.
Your point remains though, at some point you're going to have to beat one of these great AFC QBs by going the full length of the field throwing the football.
Would I want either of those guys over Fields? I don't know what the going rate for Fields is yet. 5 years of those guys (include McCarthy if you want) or 2 years, $30M, and a likely 2nd round pick for Fields? I'd probably roll the dice on a rookie, BUT:
I can see why Pittsburgh is interested in a player with some experience considering how their roster is constructed. Fields' athleticism has to be enticing for them. They made the playoffs basically without a QB.
And as you probably already know, none of the last 4 SB winners. It's a nice thing to have but definitely not the only way to build a team these days.
Why April 25? Talking heads on the little bird app have said that a decision will be made by next week.
It was a real question. Not rhetorical. So I guess you've seen they will make a decision next week. I had not seen that. thanks
Really? I haven’t seen that date bandied about, and pretty active on the ex-bird app.
First day of the draft?
