QB Justin Fields, NYJ (4 Viewers)

[crushedspirit]

It's not just not that one play I posted though. I don't want to start spamming with 3 years worth of his film outlining the apparent deficiencies in his game that anyone can find easily, so I'll just post this last one from QB school that has multiple instances where he just does not pull the trigger on anticipation throws. The weaknesses outlined in his scouting reports are still prevalent today.

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Stopped watching after dude clapped right after his intro.

Don't come at me with that NLP ####, bro!

I get it. Film is film though and it shows what is apparent to many. Anyone can go see for themselves.

 

[crushedspirit]

Something I find being left out of the Fields evaluation... the Bears did a piss poor job surrounding him with talent to make his development easier.

Now that they draft Caleb Williams the Bears appear intent on rectifying what they DIDN'T do for Fields. Yes, they traded for D.J. Moore a year ago. But that was a drop in the bucket as their WR room was still well below average. Acquiring Keenan Allen, D'Andre Swift, Gerald Everett and drafting Oduzne to go along with Moore and Kmet are MAJOR upgrades. Now they actually look like a competent NFL offensive skill group. Would have liked to have seen Fields with those weapons. Without a doubt, he would have fared better.

The Bears are giving Williams the chance they did not give Fields. Fields deficiencies aren't hard to pin down. But I'd also argue he had little to no help in Chicago beyond Moore and Kmet (meh). And that's not even touching the O-line. To be clear, I would say this about any young QB... Mac Jones, etc., name the guy. You have to protect them, first... but also give them skill players who can help them along in their progression to competent NFL QB play. And yes, a Mahomes can come along who can transcend some of this... but even in his early stages, having protection and weapons around him certainly benefitted his development.

Not sure he's going to a better situation in terms of pass catchers and Oline.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

It's not just not that one play I posted though. I don't want to start spamming with 3 years worth of his film outlining the apparent deficiencies in his game that anyone can find online. Check QB school videos like vs GB last season.

They wouldn't listen anyway. The play we posted earlier is the easiest read a Quarterback can make and our guy still can't make it in Year 4. Just consider yourself lucky that you can see Justin Fields for his obvious flaws. It doesn't matter that he didn't have weapons in Chicago, he's making the same mistakes in Pittsburgh. He fumbled two snaps in the first preseason game and in the most recent one, he missed a guy wide-open down the field for a chunk play, then misses his dump off guy.

What's going on with Caleb Williams in Chicago has nothing to do with Justin Fields. He was a fumbler in Chicago, he's a fumbler in Pittsburgh. He couldn't process in Chicago, he can't process in Pittsburgh. Jerry Rice could be running wide open and Justin would miss him and start scrambling instead. There's a reason he was traded for a 6th Round Pick and struggling to beat a washed up Russell Wilson.


I can't wait to hear why he doesn't succeed in Pittsburgh. I'm sure it won't be his fault, even though he's already putting out horrible tape in a 2nd uniform against guys who will be selling insurance in a couple of weeks. People will blame everybody else but Justin Fields as to why Justin Fields hasn't progressed into a pro style Quarterback after 3 seasons in the league.

 

[J Giles Band]

Something I find being left out of the Fields evaluation... the Bears did a piss poor job surrounding him with talent to make his development easier.

Now that they draft Caleb Williams the Bears appear intent on rectifying what they DIDN'T do for Fields. Yes, they traded for D.J. Moore a year ago. But that was a drop in the bucket as their WR room was still well below average. Acquiring Keenan Allen, D'Andre Swift, Gerald Everett and drafting Oduzne to go along with Moore and Kmet are MAJOR upgrades. Now they actually look like a competent NFL offensive skill group. Would have liked to have seen Fields with those weapons. Without a doubt, he would have fared better.

The Bears are giving Williams the chance they did not give Fields. Fields deficiencies aren't hard to pin down. But I'd also argue he had little to no help in Chicago beyond Moore and Kmet (meh). And that's not even touching the O-line. To be clear, I would say this about any young QB... Mac Jones, etc., name the guy. You have to protect them, first... but also give them skill players who can help them along in their progression to competent NFL QB play. And yes, a Mahomes can come along who can transcend some of this... but even in his early stages, having protection and weapons around him certainly benefitted his development.

Not sure he's going to a better situation in terms of pass catchers and Oline.

Agree, wholeheartedly.

The issue with Field's development remains... similar thing is going on right now in Carolina with Bryce Young. The cupboard is bare man. Offensive line is a mess, etc.

Young (or Fields) may neither be the next great young QB... but their teams will never know either way unless they give them some help.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

This is my favorite Justin Fields play of all time.

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He looks pretty good on this one too.

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The lack of weapons made Justin fumble on this play for sure. That wasn't his fault. Note that there's 3:35 left in the game and the Bears are down by 1 and he gives the Vikings the ball on their own side of the field. Apparently that was his second fumble of the game.

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On this one the Bears are up 7 with 7 minutes left in the 4th and guess who does what?!?! You'll have to click it to find out.

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[crushedspirit]

Something I find being left out of the Fields evaluation... the Bears did a piss poor job surrounding him with talent to make his development easier.

Now that they draft Caleb Williams the Bears appear intent on rectifying what they DIDN'T do for Fields. Yes, they traded for D.J. Moore a year ago. But that was a drop in the bucket as their WR room was still well below average. Acquiring Keenan Allen, D'Andre Swift, Gerald Everett and drafting Oduzne to go along with Moore and Kmet are MAJOR upgrades. Now they actually look like a competent NFL offensive skill group. Would have liked to have seen Fields with those weapons. Without a doubt, he would have fared better.

The Bears are giving Williams the chance they did not give Fields. Fields deficiencies aren't hard to pin down. But I'd also argue he had little to no help in Chicago beyond Moore and Kmet (meh). And that's not even touching the O-line. To be clear, I would say this about any young QB... Mac Jones, etc., name the guy. You have to protect them, first... but also give them skill players who can help them along in their progression to competent NFL QB play. And yes, a Mahomes can come along who can transcend some of this... but even in his early stages, having protection and weapons around him certainly benefitted his development.

Not sure he's going to a better situation in terms of pass catchers and Oline.

Agree, wholeheartedly.

The issue with Field's development remains... similar thing is going on right now in Carolina with Bryce Young. The cupboard is bare man. Offensive line is a mess, etc.

Young (or Fields) may neither be the next great young QB... but their teams will never know either way unless they give them some help.

I agree that it's hard sometimes to properly assess young QB prospects when they're not given ample support. I'm just in the camp that Fields has too many major inherent flaws in his game to have consistent success as a starting NFL QB.

I always find it interesting to see how young QBs can succeed even with limited weapons though. Many could say CJ succeeded with some limitations around him, and this season we will be watching guys like Daniels and Nix with a mixed bag of support around them. It's not easy to repeatedly create what the Bears have for Caleb.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

How could I forget the time the Bears were down 3 with two minutes in the game and Justin Fields gets intercepted at his own 5 yard line on a screen pass? That one is a classic.

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Or the other time, the Bears were down 3 against the Lions and he immediately fails to feel the pressure and fumbles the ball away for a safety on the first snap of the drive?

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Clutch.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

How could I forget the time the Bears were down 3 with two minutes in the game and Justin Fields gets intercepted at his own 5 yard line on a screen pass? That one is a classic.

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Or the other time, the Bears were down 3 against the Lions and he immediately fails to feel the pressure and fumbles the ball away for a safety on the first snap of the drive?

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Clutch.

Look, I get the hate. FIelds has flaws But there's no way you can paste that INT against TAM 100% on Fields. Getsy ran that play 5 times in the game and 3 times in a row during that sequence. Lavonte David said he knew exactly what play was coming before the snap even happened.

I'm really hopeful that the Steelers can sit Fields for the season to give him some practice and developmental time. He's got a lot of great tools if he can pull it all together. If not, he won't be in the league for long.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

How could I forget the time the Bears were down 3 with two minutes in the game and Justin Fields gets intercepted at his own 5 yard line on a screen pass? That one is a classic.

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Or the other time, the Bears were down 3 against the Lions and he immediately fails to feel the pressure and fumbles the ball away for a safety on the first snap of the drive?

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Clutch.

Look, I get the hate. FIelds has flaws But there's no way you can paste that INT against TAM 100% on Fields. Getsy ran that play 5 times in the game and 3 times in a row during that sequence. Lavonte David said he knew exactly what play was coming before the snap even happened.

I'm really hopeful that the Steelers can sit Fields for the season to give him some practice and developmental time. He's got a lot of great tools if he can pull it all together. If not, he won't be in the league for long.

Sit Fields? I don't think they will be able to sit Fields unless the offensive line suddenly becomes adequate or even average overnight. Wilson is having issues getting first downs in the pre-season, so I'm not sure how that will work. I understand the pre-season playbook is a bit basic, but still. At least Fields can run when the line breaks down.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

How could I forget the time the Bears were down 3 with two minutes in the game and Justin Fields gets intercepted at his own 5 yard line on a screen pass? That one is a classic.

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Or the other time, the Bears were down 3 against the Lions and he immediately fails to feel the pressure and fumbles the ball away for a safety on the first snap of the drive?

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Clutch.

Look, I get the hate. FIelds has flaws But there's no way you can paste that INT against TAM 100% on Fields. Getsy ran that play 5 times in the game and 3 times in a row during that sequence. Lavonte David said he knew exactly what play was coming before the snap even happened.

I'm really hopeful that the Steelers can sit Fields for the season to give him some practice and developmental time. He's got a lot of great tools if he can pull it all together. If not, he won't be in the league for long.

Sit Fields? I don't think they will be able to sit Fields unless the offensive line suddenly becomes adequate or even average overnight. Wilson is having issues getting first downs in the pre-season, so I'm not sure how that will work. I understand the pre-season playbook is a bit basic, but still. At least Fields can run when the line breaks down.

No, I get it. He'll need to play for multiple reasons. The Oline is bad, Russ is bad, and they'll need to 'see what they have in Fields' before figuring out a contract for 2025. But truthfully, I think he needs a year to decompress from the **** show that was Chicago football for the last two years.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

How could I forget the time the Bears were down 3 with two minutes in the game and Justin Fields gets intercepted at his own 5 yard line on a screen pass? That one is a classic.

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Or the other time, the Bears were down 3 against the Lions and he immediately fails to feel the pressure and fumbles the ball away for a safety on the first snap of the drive?

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Clutch.

Look, I get the hate. FIelds has flaws But there's no way you can paste that INT against TAM 100% on Fields. Getsy ran that play 5 times in the game and 3 times in a row during that sequence. Lavonte David said he knew exactly what play was coming before the snap even happened.

I'm really hopeful that the Steelers can sit Fields for the season to give him some practice and developmental time. He's got a lot of great tools if he can pull it all together. If not, he won't be in the league for long.

That's fair, you can toss that one out and he still has quite the blooper reel. I'm just saying though, I don't think Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, Gardner-Minshew, 75% of NFL Quarterbacks make that kind of throw in that situation.

Whether they audible out or throw it away. It's like trying to blame the coach because a QB throws into double-coverage. Coach made a bad play call, but it doesn't mean you "have" to throw the screen.


Throw it at his feet. It reminds me of his Quay Jackson INT into double-coverage. The play isn't there but that's the primary receiver so he HAS to throw it there, except he doesn't. One criticism you don't often hear is his unwillingness to take a small loss to prevent the disaster play from happening.

Like on the Broncos fumble six I posted. That's another play that doesn't need to happen. It's a busted blitz pickup, you're up 7 in the 4th quarter. Take the sack. He tried to throw it away and fumbles instead and the defense scores a TD to tie the game. The defense will have your number from time-to-time, that doesn't mean you need to hand them the ball on a silver platter.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

How could I forget the time the Bears were down 3 with two minutes in the game and Justin Fields gets intercepted at his own 5 yard line on a screen pass? That one is a classic.

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Or the other time, the Bears were down 3 against the Lions and he immediately fails to feel the pressure and fumbles the ball away for a safety on the first snap of the drive?

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Clutch.

Look, I get the hate. FIelds has flaws But there's no way you can paste that INT against TAM 100% on Fields. Getsy ran that play 5 times in the game and 3 times in a row during that sequence. Lavonte David said he knew exactly what play was coming before the snap even happened.

I'm really hopeful that the Steelers can sit Fields for the season to give him some practice and developmental time. He's got a lot of great tools if he can pull it all together. If not, he won't be in the league for long.

That's fair, you can toss that one out and he still has quite the blooper reel. I'm just saying though, I don't think Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, Gardner-Minshew, 75% of NFL Quarterbacks make that kind of throw in that situation.

Whether they audible out or throw it away. It's like trying to blame the coach because a QB throws into double-coverage. Coach made a bad play call, but it doesn't mean you "have" to throw it the screen.


Throw it at his feet. It reminds me of his Quay Jackson INT into double-coverage. The play isn't there but that's the primary receiver so he HAS to throw it there, except he doesn't. One criticism you don't often hear is his willingness to take a small loss to prevent the disaster play from happening.

Like on the Broncos fumble six I posted. That's another play that doesn't need to happen. It's a busted blitz pickup, you're up 7 in the 4th quarter. Take the sack. He tried to throw it away and fumbles instead and the defense scores a TD to tie the game. The defense will have your number from time-to-time, that doesn't mean you need to hand them the ball on a silver platter.

Fair. His desire to play hero ball has definitely affected his value. As a Bears fan, I had hoped that maturity would have helped with that particular flaw. That said, he's just turned 25 and if he can get that under control, he'll be an asset to any team. If he can't, well, he won't be in the league for long.

 

[sm8680]

Bears fans although they have good view points need to move on and celebrate Caleb Williams. Why dog pile on Justin when he's no longer your QB. That's like me dogging KP. Wait a second lol. I've done that same thing. But I haven't driven it over a page. Lol

 

[Chaka]

That's fair, you can toss that one out and he still has quite the blooper reel. I'm just saying though, I don't think Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, Gardner-Minshew, 75% of NFL Quarterbacks make that kind of throw in that situation.

"Challenge accepted."

~Garnder Minshew

 

[JohnnyU]

It's not just not that one play I posted though. I don't want to start spamming with 3 years worth of his film outlining the apparent deficiencies in his game that anyone can find online. Check QB school videos like vs GB last season.

Take out the 2nd “not” and the meaning stays the same.

 

[crushedspirit]

It's not just not that one play I posted though. I don't want to start spamming with 3 years worth of his film outlining the apparent deficiencies in his game that anyone can find online. Check QB school videos like vs GB last season.

Take out the 2nd “not” and the meaning stays the same.

Thanks, I edited that second one out

 

[massraider]

QB School analysis, preseason

Check in at 143 minutes for the cold-blooded George Pickens shade

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

QB School analysis, preseason

Check in at 143 minutes for the cold-blooded George Pickens shade

Yeah, JT has been throwing shade at Pickens all preseason...mostly for good reason.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

QB School analysis, preseason

Check in at 143 minutes for the cold-blooded George Pickens shade

That's a nice channel. Go Aggies.

 

[BobbyLayne]

QB School analysis, preseason

Check in at 143 minutes for the cold-blooded George Pickens shade

143 minutes = 12:34....pretty close

 

[massraider]

QB School analysis, preseason

Check in at 143 minutes for the cold-blooded George Pickens shade

143 minutes 12:34....pretty close

No one likes a know-it-all, Bobby.

 

[Faust]

Justin Fields believes he's shown 'what I can do' to be Steelers' starting quarterback

 

[crushedspirit]

Justin Fields believes he's shown 'what I can do' to be Steelers' starting quarterback

Does Justin watch his game film?

https://youtu.be/Cupf8R8sQ90?si=XakAuLBxb5g8l0gj&t=45

 

[Pietaster2]

Russell Wilson (calf) officially limited in practice Thursday.

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[stuckinthemuck]

It looks like he might get the start as soon as Sunday. This is how fantasy legends are made.

 

[Grahamburn]

It looks like he might get the start as soon as Sunday. This is how fantasy legends are made.

Yeah. Fantasy D/ST legends.

 

[H8fulHuck]

It looks like he might get the start as soon as Sunday. This is how fantasy legends are made.

Yeah. Fantasy D/ST legends.

well played sir. well played

 

[BlackCrowes]

It looks like he might get the start as soon as Sunday. This is how fantasy legends are made.

Yeah. Fantasy D/ST legends.

actually it could be both

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It looks like he might get the start as soon as Sunday. This is how fantasy legends are made.

Yeah. Fantasy D/ST legends.

NGL, he’d be a good QB2 in SF right out the gate. I may sub him in.



Probably not though.

 

[Big Nate]

It looks like he might get the start as soon as Sunday. This is how fantasy legends are made.

Yeah. Fantasy D/ST legends.

NGL, he’d be a good QB2 in SF right out the gate. I may sub him in.



Probably not though.

Fields is a great QB2 in SF if Wilson doesn't go. The rushing yards and TDs could be big. Ridder in 12 games last year had 50 rushing attempts and 5 rushing TDs in Arthur Smith's offense and Fields is better than Ridder and a WAY better rusher.

I have Fields in my dynasty league and feel he can be top 8 if he starts this week..... I'm so tempted.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have Fields in my dynasty league and feel he can be top 8 if he starts this week..... I'm so tempted.

I have him in 2
1. Levis + ARich in a 12 team

2. Specifically built my 16 team league roster planning on not having Fields. My SF options are:
ACooper, McLauren, Stevenson, Fields

At the moment Cooper is on my bench. It’s an embarrassment of options. Playing it safe week 1 to see how DWatson looks.

 

[Big Nate]

I have Fields in my dynasty league and feel he can be top 8 if he starts this week..... I'm so tempted.

I have him in 2
1. Levis + ARich in a 12 team

2. Specifically built my 16 team league roster planning on not having Fields. My SF options are:
ACooper, McLauren, Stevenson, Fields

At the moment Cooper is on my bench. It’s an embarrassment of options. Playing it safe week 1 to see how DWatson looks.

I'd start him over Levis in 1.

Your "riches" in 2 are pretty solid - nice work. That is a tough one as I like your other 3 options but man it would be hard to not start Fields. Maybe you could trade Fields or just hold.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'd start him over Levis in 1.

It’s very tempting. I like Levis matchup & weapons though. That game has point chasing written all over it.

Not sure I trust anyone in PIT yet. In another league with Higgins at flex I have Najee & Warren and I’m considering BT Jr instead. PIT scares me week 1. They haven’t looked good at all.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

but you said he was going to be a top 5 QB,

 

[Chaka]

Wilson can still move, for sure but he seems to have lost a lot of his pocket presence and doesn't seem to slide around in the pocket to find throwing lanes the way he used to do so well in Seattle. I don't see how Pittsburgh can put him out there with even a hint of a bum wheel.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but you said he was going to be a top 5 QB,

I did what?

I don't recall that I said that about 2024.

Sure, he could be a FF top 5, that doesn’t mean imma gamble my week 1 on that.

 

[dipandglide]

I'd start him over Levis in 1.

It’s very tempting. I like Levis matchup & weapons though. That game has point chasing written all over it.

Not sure I trust anyone in PIT yet. In another league with Higgins at flex I have Najee & Warren and I’m considering BT Jr instead. PIT scares me week 1. They haven’t looked good at all.

Fields is an easy start over Levis if he gets the nod

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fields is an easy start over Levis if he gets the nod

How do I know you’re not just trying to get me to lose?

lol - it’s on the table.

 

[dipandglide]

Fields is an easy start over Levis if he gets the nod

How do I know you’re not just trying to get me to lose?

lol - it’s on the table.

I doubt we're in any leagues. I'm rooting for you!

 

[Chaka]

Fields>Levis

 

[dmac37]

Will be shocked if Fields is not the starter this week with what we have heard this week. If he can limit turnovers and mistakes, he fits what they want to do and is in position to take over.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF




I might have to

 

[Chaka]

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF




I might have to

Don't stress, he's actually at ATL.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't stress, he's actually at ATL.

Improved defense IMO.

 

[rodalive]

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF

I don’t wanna start Justin Fields at SF




I might have to

Don't stress, he's actually at ATL.

Schedule grids can be hard to interpret for some

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Do the Steelers want to start a guy who is not mobile, given how the O-line looked in pre-season? Fields should be starting. The next question is who is the QB behind Fields? Can Wilson play if Fields was injured?

 

[Max55]

Love him or not, Fields was a FF league winner a couple of years ago. And the raw skill set hasn’t diminished.

But there also isn’t any evidence of improvement.

 

[Grahamburn]

Love him or not, Fields was a FF league winner a couple of years ago. And the raw skill set hasn’t diminished.

But there also isn’t any evidence of improvement.

Yes, he can run, but NFL coaches don’t care about your fantasy team. Mike Tomlin won’t tolerate the fumbles and bad sacks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Love him or not, Fields was a FF league winner a couple of years ago. And the raw skill set hasn’t diminished.

But there also isn’t any evidence of improvement.

Yes, he can run, but NFL coaches don’t care about your fantasy team. Mike Tomlin won’t tolerate the fumbles and bad sacks.

He will if they have no one else.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

. The next question is who is the QB behind Fields?

Kyle Allen. So "nobody", really.