QB Justin Fields, NYJ (6 Viewers)

[menobrown]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So thereality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

 

[FarFromHome]

I think physically, Fields has every tool in his toolbox to be a good NFL QB. We have now seen him with three different teams, so we can conclude, he just doesn't have what it takes upstairs. Imo

 

[FarFromHome]

I think physically, Fields has every tool in his toolbox to be a good NFL QB. We have now seen him with three different teams, so we can conclude, he just doesn't have what it takes upstairs. Imo

I read that and it sounded meaner than was my intention. It's takes a very high NFL IQ to be good at QB. I'm the smartest person I know and I don't believe i have the mental processing to get it done. I feel we are at the point where maybe Fields just doesn't have the mental acquity to lead a team as the primary QB.

 

[bolzano]

I haven’t been able to watch much of the Jets outside of the MNF game against the Dolphins. But, aren’t they already running a Fields friendly offense with a lot of run pass option, zone read option, etc.? If so, I don’t really know how they can do much more to simplify things and tailor them to fit his skillset…

 

[Mitchie]

I think physically, Fields has every tool in his toolbox to be a good NFL QB. We have now seen him with three different teams, so we can conclude, he just doesn't have what it takes upstairs. Imo

I read that and it sounded meaner than was my intention. It's takes a very high NFL IQ to be good at QB. I'm the smartest person I know and I don't believe i have the mental processing to get it done. I feel we are at the point where maybe Fields just doesn't have the mental acquity to lead a team as the primary QB.

Someone made a similar point earlier that I think you're making but it's not intelligence but just how certain peoples brains work. I played a lot of pickup basketball or in pro/college basketball same thing, but some people are just cut out to be point guards, they know where everyone is on the court at all times and just are able to process everything faster than others to make the right decision on who to pass the ball to and the exact right time, while other positions have more isolated roles. As a QB you have to be able to do that and probably even faster b/c of the multiple reads, but also have all the other physical skills including arm strength and accuracy.

 

[sm8680]

I'll just say this in general.

I can feel the venom in your replies just because I have a different opinion. You’re clearly more invested in dunking on Fields than actually discussing the long-term state of the Steelers QB room. AR might be a one-year patch, but that doesn’t magically fix the future. We’re still in the same spot we’ve been no clear answer at QB beyond this season. So yeah, I’ll keep pointing that out whether it fits your narrative or not

 

[massraider]

I haven’t been able to watch much of the Jets outside of the MNF game against the Dolphins. But, aren’t they already running a Fields friendly offense with a lot of run pass option, zone read option, etc.? If so, I don’t really know how they can do much more to simplify things and tailor them to fit his skillset…

He just needs to go to a team that can tailor the offense to a guy who cannot read a defense, and refuses to pass the ball when the play calls for it.

 

[habsfan]

I haven’t been able to watch much of the Jets outside of the MNF game against the Dolphins. But, aren’t they already running a Fields friendly offense with a lot of run pass option, zone read option, etc.? If so, I don’t really know how they can do much more to simplify things and tailor them to fit his skillset…

He just needs to go to a team that can tailor the offense to a guy who cannot read a defense, and refuses to pass the ball when the play calls for it.

Rugby it is then.

 

[massraider]

I haven’t been able to watch much of the Jets outside of the MNF game against the Dolphins. But, aren’t they already running a Fields friendly offense with a lot of run pass option, zone read option, etc.? If so, I don’t really know how they can do much more to simplify things and tailor them to fit his skillset…

He just needs to go to a team that can tailor the offense to a guy who cannot read a defense, and refuses to pass the ball when the play calls for it.

Rugby it is then.

Finally, some outside the box thinking

 

[dkp993]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

I'd say everyone and really it's one thing to think a certain OC or HC is not doing all he can for a player but I'm really kind of in shock that you or anyone else can truly sit here and think mulitiple teams and staffs just did not know how to use him properly and it's all just so easy if they'd only think of it. Speechless.

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So thereality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

I agree this is where he is now but bad coaching, that has been unable to help his weaknesses and coach to his strengths got him here. The Chicago coaching staff was a train wreck and in Pitt he was actually starting on the right path but Tomlin wanted to be a man of his word and honor his agreement with Wilson. Pitt wanted him back but he felt disrespected and wanted a fresh start. Now he’s back with a defensive minded coach who instilled the fear of God in the team about turnovers. So dude has turtled up and cratered. He’s likely toast at this point but I believe had he had a good offensive minded coach this year he might have turned out ok. Now? He’s likely shot.

 

[wgoldsph]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So the reality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

He's had Lazor a multi-time career OC failure, Getsy who had his first time coordinating, Canada who still thinks it's the 70s, and another first timer in Estran. Who among them do you want to be the OC of your team? Who do you want molding a raw qb? Seriously, are you telling me these are good OCs who put their players in the best position to succeed? Come on man.

I don't know what I've said that isn't out of bounds much less not common sense. Fields was raw, if he had a good OC he would have had a chance to harness those natural abilities, and he's not even a backup at this point. Also Richardson misses wide open receivers in the flat by miles, so I'm not sure "game experience" fixes that.

You want to tell me he's the main reason why he's bad this year, then you have my total agreement. If you want to say he mever had a chance to be the guy who's upside people were enamored with, then I say we'll never know because he never had a good coach.

*edit - it was reported all over he was told not to run as a rookie. If I need to go find a five year old article I will

 

[N Zone]

Every quarterback has their worst year(s) with the Jets.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So the reality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

He's had Lazor a multi-time career OC failure, Getsy who had his first time coordinating, Canada who still thinks it's the 70s, and another first timer in Estran. Who among them do you want to be the OC of your team? Who do you want molding a raw qb? Seriously, are you telling me these are good OCs who put their players in the best position to succeed? Come on man.

I don't know what I've said that isn't out of bounds much less not common sense. Fields was raw, if he had a good OC he would have had a chance to harness those natural abilities, and he's not even a backup at this point. Also Richardson misses wide open receivers in the flat by miles, so I'm not sure "game experience" fixes that.

You want to tell me he's the main reason why he's bad this year, then you have my total agreement. If you want to say he mever had a chance to be the guy who's upside people were enamored with, then I say we'll never know because he never had a good coach.

*edit - it was reported all over he was told not to run as a rookie. If I need to go find a five year old article I will

He didn’t have Canada with the Steelers, he had Arthur Smith.

 

[wgoldsph]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So the reality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

He's had Lazor a multi-time career OC failure, Getsy who had his first time coordinating, Canada who still thinks it's the 70s, and another first timer in Estran. Who among them do you want to be the OC of your team? Who do you want molding a raw qb? Seriously, are you telling me these are good OCs who put their players in the best position to succeed? Come on man.

I don't know what I've said that isn't out of bounds much less not common sense. Fields was raw, if he had a good OC he would have had a chance to harness those natural abilities, and he's not even a backup at this point. Also Richardson misses wide open receivers in the flat by miles, so I'm not sure "game experience" fixes that.

You want to tell me he's the main reason why he's bad this year, then you have my total agreement. If you want to say he mever had a chance to be the guy who's upside people were enamored with, then I say we'll never know because he never had a good coach.

*edit - it was reported all over he was told not to run as a rookie. If I need to go find a five year old article I will

He didn’t have Canada with the Steelers, he had Arthur Smith.

My bad, but tomato tom-ah-to

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So the reality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

He's had Lazor a multi-time career OC failure, Getsy who had his first time coordinating, Canada who still thinks it's the 70s, and another first timer in Estran. Who among them do you want to be the OC of your team? Who do you want molding a raw qb? Seriously, are you telling me these are good OCs who put their players in the best position to succeed? Come on man.

I don't know what I've said that isn't out of bounds much less not common sense. Fields was raw, if he had a good OC he would have had a chance to harness those natural abilities, and he's not even a backup at this point. Also Richardson misses wide open receivers in the flat by miles, so I'm not sure "game experience" fixes that.

You want to tell me he's the main reason why he's bad this year, then you have my total agreement. If you want to say he mever had a chance to be the guy who's upside people were enamored with, then I say we'll never know because he never had a good coach.

*edit - it was reported all over he was told not to run as a rookie. If I need to go find a five year old article I will

Came in to say the same. None (except Arthur Smith) are in executive roles withing an offense any more. Lazor is a offensive assistant at HOU right now. Getsy is a part time defensive assistant in Green Bay. Arthur Smith is the KING of fitting square pegs into round holes (see Bijan and his usage in Atlanta). and who exactly is Tanner Engstrad? That's a straight up murderer's row of bad offensive coordinating, IMO.

I will also say that I have no idea if Fields can become a good QB. His processing has not improved much since his days with the Bears. But I start looking at guys like Gino and Darnold and Mayfield, all who have the physical talent to be great QBs and can't help but think a year or two under a good QB coach might do wonders to unlock Fields' potential.

 

[menobrown]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So the reality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

He's had Lazor a multi-time career OC failure, Getsy who had his first time coordinating, Canada who still thinks it's the 70s, and another first timer in Estran. Who among them do you want to be the OC of your team? Who do you want molding a raw qb? Seriously, are you telling me these are good OCs who put their players in the best position to succeed? Come on man.

I don't know what I've said that isn't out of bounds much less not common sense. Fields was raw, if he had a good OC he would have had a chance to harness those natural abilities, and he's not even a backup at this point. Also Richardson misses wide open receivers in the flat by miles, so I'm not sure "game experience" fixes that.

You want to tell me he's the main reason why he's bad this year, then you have my total agreement. If you want to say he mever had a chance to be the guy who's upside people were enamored with, then I say we'll never know because he never had a good coach.

*edit - it was reported all over he was told not to run as a rookie. If I need to go find a five year old article I will

He didn’t have Canada with the Steelers, he had Arthur Smith.

Don’t let facts get in the the way of a good story.

 

[Gally]

I haven’t been able to watch much of the Jets outside of the MNF game against the Dolphins. But, aren’t they already running a Fields friendly offense with a lot of run pass option, zone read option, etc.? If so, I don’t really know how they can do much more to simplify things and tailor them to fit his skillset…

He just needs to go to a team that can tailor the offense to a guy who cannot read a defense, and refuses to pass the ball when the play calls for it.

Rugby it is then.

Oh, so he should go to Philly.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I'm no expert, but it is hard to bench someone like Fields and then bring him back. I'm not sure this is the right coaching staff for the Jets.

There seems to be an air of I don't know what to do now that we are 7 weeks in. Move on if you think that is the right course of action.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I'm no expert, but it is hard to bench someone like Fields and then bring him back. I'm not sure this is the right coaching staff for the Jets.

There seems to be an air of I don't know what to do now that we are 7 weeks in. Move on if you think that is the right course of action.

They could hold open tryouts! Maybe they find a guy named Deyton Fanning just itching to throw the ball!

 

[massraider]

The other thing is, which coach is going to completely change his offense for Guy Soon To Be On His 4th Team?

You putting your career at risk. And who is the backup QB, and what offense do you run when Fields is out? Just find some other insane running QB to back him up?

 

[Kiddnets]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

 

[jm192]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

 

[DeaLerZ]

I think benching him was the wrong move. Taylor did nothing either, and has only survived this long as a back up because he hasn't needed to play much at all.

Fields absolutely holds on to the ball too long, but again the coaches and staff have not designed an offense that is built around his skill set. They have barely any weapons and they want him to stay in the pocket and be conservative with that abysmal offensive line ??? I just don't get it. The play calling has been terrible all season. Run up the middle 2x, and than have Fields throw it on 3rd and long. My favorite is on 3rd and 1 try to throw the ball downfield, and don't even consider running with Fields for a yard. They have barely any designed runs for the best Running QB in the league ??

If I am paying Fields 20 million a year to be my starter for two years I am going to design plays that work for him, and let him just play his game until the wheels fall off. He looks scared to throw an interception in there, and than they end up benching him anyways.

They look absolutely look they brought him in to tank at this point. I would love to see what Fields can do in a competent offense with talent around him, and a great QB coach that can set him up for success with his skill set. At this point he needs to go be a "BACK UP" on a good team, and hope to get a chance at being a starter again after a year or two. Maybe the Rams with Stafford on his way out ?? Sadly, I don't have much faith that we will ever see him get this opportunity with the right circumstances. At this point as many have said he has had enough time and enough chances to show that he has what it takes. It looks more like he did as well as he did in college because of his athletic ability and the ridiculous WR's that he had on that roster to throw too..

 

[Kiddnets]

I think benching him was the wrong move. Taylor did nothing either, and has only survived this long as a back up because he hasn't needed to play much at all.

Fields absolutely holds on to the ball too long, but again the coaches and staff have not designed an offense that is built around his skill set. They have barely any weapons and they want him to stay in the pocket and be conservative with that abysmal offensive line ??? I just don't get it. The play calling has been terrible all season. Run up the middle 2x, and than have Fields throw it on 3rd and long. My favorite is on 3rd and 1 try to throw the ball downfield, and don't even consider running with Fields for a yard. They have barely any designed runs for the best Running QB in the league ??

If I am paying Fields 20 million a year to be my starter for two years I am going to design plays that work for him, and let him just play his game until the wheels fall off. He looks scared to throw an interception in there, and than they end up benching him anyways.

They look absolutely look they brought him in to tank at this point. I would love to see what Fields can do in a competent offense with talent around him, and a great QB coach that can set him up for success with his skill set. At this point he needs to go be a "BACK UP" on a good team, and hope to get a chance at being a starter again after a year or two. Maybe the Rams with Stafford on his way out ?? Sadly, I don't have much faith that we will ever see him get this opportunity with the right circumstances. At this point as many have said he has had enough time and enough chances to show that he has what it takes. It looks more like he did as well as he did in college because of his athletic ability and the ridiculous WR's that he had on that roster to throw too..

Agree on almost all!

Obviously they didnt bring him in to tank but they absolutely are not putting him in a position to succeed. They clearly have instructed him to cut down on his freelancing - the thing that makes him unique - and have designed an offense around a deep pocket passer. No RPOs, screens, quick hits - very rare QB runs. Thats all stuff they can control and dont do

They also didnt do him any favors with the lack of WR depth - the OL is concerning as they have invested 3 high picks on it - all who are grading out decent. Starting Tyrod is a waste and he'll likely get hurt in a game or 2 anyway so they should just design an actual Fields friendly O around him and see how it goes - they are toast anyway so if he looks decent at least they have a backup for what they are paying him next year to bridge. If he continues to stink then top pick in play

 

[warpig33]

Woody Johnson: "Our offense would be pretty good if we could just complete a pass."

Tyrod Taylor named starter. What a

 

[Jewell]

They look absolutely look they brought him in to tank at this point.

Why would Aaron Glenn want to be part of a plan that puts his head coaching future in jeopardy? Head coaching opportunities are limited, and if you fail so miserably at your first opportunity you may never get another.

The reality is the Jets probably thought they could salvage Fields in the same way the Jets former QB, Sam Darnold, has been salvaged. Unfortunately for the Jets it hasn’t worked out that way.

 

[zeeshan2]

Woody Johnson: "Our offense would be pretty good if we could just complete a pass."

Tyrod Taylor named starter. What a

[Highlight] Jets owner Woody Johnson: "It’s hard when you have a quarterback with the rating that we’ve got. ... If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you’re going to see similar results. ...If we can just complete a pass, it would look good."

 

[warpig33]

Woody Johnson: "Our offense would be pretty good if we could just complete a pass."

Tyrod Taylor named starter. What a

[Highlight] Jets owner Woody Johnson: "It’s hard when you have a quarterback with the rating that we’ve got. ... If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you’re going to see similar results. ...If we can just complete a pass, it would look good."

Ouch.

 

[nysfl2]

Woody Johnson: "Our offense would be pretty good if we could just complete a pass."

Tyrod Taylor named starter. What a

[Highlight] Jets owner Woody Johnson: "It’s hard when you have a quarterback with the rating that we’ve got. ... If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you’re going to see similar results. ...If we can just complete a pass, it would look good."

Ouch.

I mean, he's not wrong

 

[dkp993]

To be clear, his benching is speculation at this point. Woody said it’s completely up to coach. Now the writing is on the wall, but just clarifying that as of right now it’s not official

 

[Smack Tripper]

They look absolutely look they brought him in to tank at this point.

Why would Aaron Glenn want to be part of a plan that puts his head coaching future in jeopardy? Head coaching opportunities are limited, and if you fail so miserably at your first opportunity you may never get another.

The reality is the Jets probably thought they could salvage Fields in the same way the Jets former QB, Sam Darnold, has been salvaged. Unfortunately for the Jets it hasn’t worked out that way.

The Jets go sold in some circles as "mini Detroit" in terms of Lions staff

Fields seems like a good guy, fun player but man it just ain't there.

Tying your coaching future to a 26 year old two teams already passed on was a risk

They should have brought in Winston, would have run a fun, professional, but likely ultimately failing offense.

They're losing and they're losing boring right now.

 

[massraider]

Problem is whats the alternative?

None. Benching him is a sign of desperation, or incompetence.

he's the best option for sure.

Why not see about a mid round swap, and a guy like Will Levis? Not even to take his job this year, but add him to the roster, and he's in the mix in the summer.

 

[bolzano]

Since the NBA season begins today, I’m gonna go with a basketball analogy here.

At the college and pro level, you will find a lot of players (in particular, combo guards) who are big time scorers, but their games don’t translate as NBA starters, at least not on decent teams. Their typical profile is elite athlete/ ball dominate/ high usage/ inefficient/ turnover prone/ poor defender/ low basketball IQ. When they get an opportunity to play, sometimes they will cook, which gets the bball community super excited. Everyone will be like: “This kid is electric. He can be elite. If only he could develop his passing skills and court vision or improve his shot selection and range…” Well, it rarely works like that because you’re asking the player to totally change the way he’s always played the game.

The best situation for this type of player, at least fantasy-wise, is on a terrible team like the Wizards or Nets. There, they can pound the rock and chuck up shots all they want because they’re one of the team’s best scorers. In fact, sometimes their gaudy numbers even fool NBA FOs and they get big contracts. But, the reality is that they’re bad players who hurt everyone else around them.

^This is Justin Fields and the Jets.

 

[Max55]

Not much to add but will say Fields seemed like a very nice and soft spoken person when with the Steelers.

But too nice maybe. The rap was his teammates all loved him but didn’t seem to have natural leadership abilities. Not an alpha personality that matters for a QB.

 

[Bri]

@AlbertBreer
·
4h
Jets owner Woody Johnson talking now at the fall owners meeting.

“If we could just complete a pass, it would look good.”

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

I used to say stuff like this - I’ve lost faith that a rehabilitation is possible. JF is fundamentally broken. He looks shell shocked and seems either unwilling to scramble, or is being told not to scramble to disasterous results.

There was a point in his career in Chicago when it looked like things were clicking. He made DJM into a Bona fide stud WR1, and had a balance of passing to keep defenses honest and scrambled with the ability to house call at any moment.

But then watching him through his season in PIT, and now this disastrous start in NYJ, I don’t think there’s a there, there. He looks lost, and I think it’s a shame. At one point he had the potential to be a Vick/Slash/Hurts type of QB. If he was drafted by PHI or KC he’d likely be QB1-3 right now.

Instead he’s a hot mess, sees ghosts, and fumbles too frequently on the snap or when hit behind the line. When he does run he looks hesitant, and defenses don’t respect his arm enough for his legs to be effective in the slightest. And tbh he hasn’t given them any reason to respect his arm because he’s regressed as a passer.

It’s a shame. I really like the kid - seems like a good egg. I have nothing personal against him, and was among his most vocal supporters on here for years. But like so many other bright young talents, through a stretch of bad coaching, bad OL play, bad supporting casts, and his own bad play, he’s developed a lot of bad habits. And a lot of mental lapses that seem like the game just moves too fast for him because he’s trying to do too much on every play & it’s paralysis by analysis. He’s shown the ability to process at a high level in the past, but that’s when he let his natural abilities carry him. Now he plays without that flow.

I went back and watched some of his Bears highlights from that terrific season and he looked so comfortable behind center. Confident, commanding, no hesitation to let it rip to an open target, or take off scrambling when the coverage was tight. I see the total opposite now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't think he's ever been told to not run.

I dunno man, it sure seemed like they put shackles on his legs in PIT.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not much to add but will say Fields seemed like a very nice and soft spoken person when with the Steelers.

But too nice maybe. The rap was his teammates all loved him but didn’t seem to have natural leadership abilities. Not an alpha personality that matters for a QB.

Some of that might just be a lack of confidence. He had some swagger in CHI. I haven’t seen it since.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Don't think he's ever been told to not run.

I dunno man, it sure seemed like they put shackles on his legs in PIT.

Oh they absolutely told him not too. It also seems that way with the Jets. To be fair he often slides right into tackles and gets whacked in the head. So I get them not wanting him to run as much from that perspective

 

[FairWarning]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

What upside is there when the Jets haven’t scored a 1H TD since week one? This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

 

[menobrown]

Don't think he's ever been told to not run.

I dunno man, it sure seemed like they put shackles on his legs in PIT.

Oh they absolutely told him not too. It also seems that way with the Jets. To be fair he often slides right into tackles and gets whacked in the head. So I get them not wanting him to run as much from that perspective

Please find me one thing to back this up. And you thinking it is not what I'm talking about.

I'm sure at times he's been coached to not take off so quickly and try and go through his reads. That's normal for any QB who can use his legs because just taking off and running is not sustainable. It's not the same thing as being told to not run.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't think he's ever been told to not run.

I dunno man, it sure seemed like they put shackles on his legs in PIT.

Oh they absolutely told him not too. It also seems that way with the Jets. To be fair he often slides right into tackles and gets whacked in the head. So I get them not wanting him to run as much from that perspective

Please find me one thing to back this up. And you thinking it is not what I'm talking about.

I'm sure at times he's been coached to not take off so quickly and try and go through his reads. That's normal for any QB who can use his legs because just taking off and running is not sustainable. It's not the same thing as being told to not run.

I can’t - and I’m not fronting like I can. I’m just saying what it seems like from my observations.

There were numerous times as a Steeler that he had a lane and looked like he was about to take off and run, but took a sack instead.

Might just be trapped in his own head. Whatever the reason though, the result is the same. I think he’s broken mentally.

 

[Jewell]

This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

The Cards offense looked better with Jacoby Brissett than with Kyler Murray.

The Jets looked better with Tyrod Taylor than with Justin Fields.

The Colts are better with Daniel Jones than with Anthony Richardson.

Some people love the running QB, particularly for fantasy football, but at the end of the day in the NFL a QB still needs to be good at reading the field and getting the ball out quickly, consistently, and accurately.

 

[FairWarning]

This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

The Cards offense looked better with Jacoby Brissett than with Kyler Murray.

The Jets looked better with Tyrod Taylor than with Justin Fields.

The Colts are better with Daniel Jones than with Anthony Richardson.

Some people love the running QB, particularly for fantasy football, but at the end of the day in the NFL a QB still needs to be good at reading the field and getting the ball out quickly, consistently, and accurately.

The thing Brissett is doing is using McBride in the red zone. They have some injuries, but Murray really holds them back.

 

[Jewell]

The thing Brissett is doing is using McBride in the red zone. They have some injuries, but Murray really holds them back.

Fun Fact:

Trey McBride has 3 TDs in 2 games with Jacoby Brissett as his starting QB.

Trey McBride had 3 TDs in his previous 21 games with Kyler Murray as his starter.

That’s a pretty damning stat for Kyler Murray.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

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Great clip on McAfee today from Woody Johnson at the owners meeting today, just roasts Justin Fields

 

[Uncle Leo]

I follow recruiting and he was my favorite QB coming out of High School. He once wore a FSU shirt as a senior and I thought we had a chance. Then he committed to Georgia before transferring to Ohio State. This kid was special, but something is off. At least he’s made a lot of money if he were to be cut by the Jets. I’m sure he’ll be a Tyrod Taylor type of back up somewhere.

 

[wgoldsph]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

Lol, like I said about being over the stop stubborn or worse.

I'm not so sure he's wrong though. A good OC would make him comfortable with easy completions, have him roll out more, and give him the green light to run. Who's done that yet?

It's more that I truly believe most teams have bad coaches. Nepotism and familiarity is more important to NFL teams than creativity.

There's a handful of elite coaches and OCs in the NFL who can take a Fields or Richardson - someone with raw physical ability and no football iq - and unlock them in the first place. Fields had no chance at the start, and at this point he's learned enough bad habits that he's not going to ever reach close to his ceiling. There's a limited number of coaches who should have even considered drafting him, simply because he does not play the style of football they coach and they athey good enough coaches to change to meet his strengths.


I'm not saying Fields is redeemable at this point. Just that if he didn't have terrible coaching to start his career he would have had a much better chance of harnessing the natural abilities he has. I'm prettier sure we can agree that he's been pigeonholed into an offense that doesn't fit his strengths for a lot of his career. Pretty sure he wasn't even allowed to run as a rookie.

Please tell me the nepo hire who coached him previously?

Sorry while I appreciate you replying I can't say I agree with anything you are saying and again just absolutely stunned at the excuses you and others are trying to come up with. Really feel like I walked into a different reality or something.

Don't think he was taught bad habits. Don't think he's ever been told to not run. Don't think his poor play has anything to do with coaching. Anthony Richardson lacks game experience, Fields lacks instincts. It's not the same thing.

His current coach wanted him because of how he ran against his defenses. He's had the green light to run ever since he's been a Jet. He said he's been reluctant to run the last few weeks because his knee hurt but also said it felt better and he was ready to run again heading into this last game. They've openly discussed in the last week the need to him to throw the ball so he's had a green light to do that.

So the reality despite having the green light to run and pass he can't do either. He's paralyzed by his own fears and inability to understand what's going on around him. He's in his 5th year. It's him, it's not coaching and it's not fixable.

He's had Lazor a multi-time career OC failure, Getsy who had his first time coordinating, Canada who still thinks it's the 70s, and another first timer in Estran. Who among them do you want to be the OC of your team? Who do you want molding a raw qb? Seriously, are you telling me these are good OCs who put their players in the best position to succeed? Come on man.

I don't know what I've said that isn't out of bounds much less not common sense. Fields was raw, if he had a good OC he would have had a chance to harness those natural abilities, and he's not even a backup at this point. Also Richardson misses wide open receivers in the flat by miles, so I'm not sure "game experience" fixes that.

You want to tell me he's the main reason why he's bad this year, then you have my total agreement. If you want to say he mever had a chance to be the guy who's upside people were enamored with, then I say we'll never know because he never had a good coach.

*edit - it was reported all over he was told not to run as a rookie. If I need to go find a five year old article I will

He didn’t have Canada with the Steelers, he had Arthur Smith.

Don’t let facts get in the the way of a good story.

Excuse me, I meant the other stone age OC.

Here's my real question - since it's a "story" to you... How many teams would /improve/ at OC with any of these names at the position? 25% at most? Genuinely, which of these guys do you want for your team?

The facts are his OCs sucked

The other thing is, which coach is going to completely change his offense for Guy Soon To Be On His 4th Team?

You putting your careeer at ris. And who is the backup QB, and what offense do you run when Fields is out? Just find sme other insane rruning QB to back him up?

But that's the point of bringing in Fields. You tailor the offense to his strengths. Otherwise why bring in Fields?

 

[dickey moe]

Off to the Browns? They are always looking to add to their QB fleet.

Maybe Baker will end up there someday, if they're really lucky!

 

[rockaction]

Weird thread. Bread gets mold on it and every so often you get witch trials.

I think trials like the ones in Salem had better evidentiary standards for the prosecution than the pro-Fields folks here would have us use.