QB Justin Herbert, LAC (1 Viewer)

[joey]

My QB12.

Projecting 388/565 3899 yards. 26/8 TD/INT

Predicting more efficiency, slightly less pass attempts due to coaching style, but I agree this will be interesting to see coaching style vs. team makeup. I'd normally project way fewer pass attempts, but like many, I don't know if they'll be able to sustain it.

Those numbers, combined with his lifetime rushing average per game, would give him 287.04 points over 17 games, making him QB8 last year, but drop him down to QB18 in terms of PPG (16.9).

Yeah, that checks out to what I have. I have him rushing about the same as last year, just projected out to 17 games. He's at 287.9 points in my projections. 16.9 PPG.

But my QBs 8-14 are all withing 10 points of each other, so it's very fluid.

Just wrote similar in Travdogg rankings thread that this might be a great year to wait on QB since it feels like 8-18 is a toss up for most. Go “boring “ vet like Herbert/Goff and then upside rookie like Caleb or Daniel’s and see how it plays out.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

The internet/FF world has overcorrected too much.

Fantasypros has him as QB15
FBG has him as QB19.

He was QB11 in PPG last year.

I get the concern that Harbaugh's going to go run heavy. But my god, is he such a bad coach that inherited one of the best young QB's in the league and turns him into a hand off machine?
They're so eager to run the ball 500 times that they went out and got Gus Edwards and the left over parts of JK Dobbins?
I also agree with @Hot Sauce Guy: the defense probably doesn't make such a massive leap that they can just run the ball 40 times a game.

He'll certainly miss Keenan Allen and Ekeler. I think McConkey is going to be really good early. And I think his talent will keep the offense/passing game in a place where he's productive--certainly better than QB19.

I still think he's one of the best QB's in the game. He was top 3 or 4 at one point. And I get that changes matter. But man, QB15? QB19?

I've been thinking about Herbert these last couple of days thinking the same thing and the thoughts above are my exact ones.

Harbaugh didn't just leave Michigan. He left a defending National Champion. He didn't just go to the NFL, he went to one of the more non-descript franchises in the NFL, certainly not storied like the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, etc...

And he did all that so he could build an offense around *great line BTW* Gus Edwards and the left over parts of JK Dobbins?

One thing that I also think bears mentioning. Herbert's HC's have been Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley. That is horrific malpractice when it comes to providing a young QB support. I've had my issues with Herbert and the accountability placed on him for the 'team' performance of the Chargers and whether he can raise his game to the Mahomes/Burrow/Allen/Lamar level...and I don't think those have gone away.

But Harbaugh does have a ton of street cred IMO; college and pro. And quite frankly for Herbert...it kind of is go time for him. The talent is there...I do think he has to grow into the type of franchise leader and front man you pay $55M to. But I agree. QB16 is a beautiful bargain.

 

[Gr00vus]

The Chargers defense has held steady or slightly improved for all groups except IDL - I don't see improvement there, and I fear they may actually be worse than last season. I don't think the CBs have improved much, but they haven't gotten worse either. Overall the defense should improve to some degree due to that and what I expect to be better coaching. I'm thinking league average is a reasonable expectation there. Maybe a little better if people can stay healthy.

The offensive line should be better than last season, possibly significantly better. Bozeman can't be worse than what they had at C last year once Linsley was gone. Alt should be a significant improvement at RT, Slater and Johnson should regain top form due to improved health and better coaching. I'm not sure who wins the RG job, Pipkins is who they seem to want there over Salyer. Again, improved coaching should make that a better situation this year regardless of who wins, plus they'll have better depth (not hard to do compared to recent seasons).

ST is solid all the way around.

This is the worst set of offensive skill players going into preseason I can remember since before they got Ladanian. Maybe one of the late round receivers makes a big impact, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that - people have gone a bit overboard thinking the Chargers found impact players that late in the draft. It could happen, but planning on it? McConkey should be solid if he can stay on the field. After that, I wouldn't want to bet on any of them. I think they'll be looking for upgrades across the board for the skill positions next offseason. This is year one of a rebuild/regime change.

Given all that, it makes sense you'd have a ton of variance in peoples' Herbert projections. I think reality will dictate that Herbert will be the feature of the offense moreso than the running game, just because he's by far the most talented player on that side of the ball. I know the new regime would like to significantly reduce his workload, I just don't know if that will be possible given the surrounding cast. If things go to plan, the improved oline gets something like 4 ypc for the stable of mush they have at RB and keeps Herbert clean to pick Ds apart passing. But they'll win or lose on Herbert's arm. I just hope they find a few guys who can catch and stay healthy. I don't know how much that translates into FF success, because of the aforementioned lack of impact skill position players. In the end he could just crack the top 10 QBs if his offensive line does what it seems capable of doing. Higher than that I don't see. Next year though...

 

[TripItUp]

In my main dynasty I added Kyler Murray and got rid of Herbert.

I don't think he'll ever reach elite production, but a hall of fame career with lots of good seasons is certainly possible....see Troy Aikman.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In my main dynasty I added Kyler Murray and got rid of Herbert.

I don't think he'll ever reach elite production, but a hall of fame career with lots of good seasons is certainly possible....see Troy Aikman.

The NFL is also fluid enough that as a 26 y/o, Herbert could play another 12-15+ years and have dramatically different weapons 1, 3, or 5 years from now.

Heck, the Chargers could deal for Aiyuk next week. Ya never know.

A lot of evaluation of Herbert seems to be coming from a redraft perspective. Short term I agree he’s likely top 8-11. A few more rushing TD and maybe he sneaks into the top 7.

But long term I still think the future is very bright.

 

[Faust]

Oregon Ducks, LA Chargers QB Justin Herbert Impressing Early in Training Camp

 

[Terpman22]

In my main dynasty I added Kyler Murray and got rid of Herbert.

I don't think he'll ever reach elite production, but a hall of fame career with lots of good seasons is certainly possible....see Troy Aikman.

Lot to unpack here.

Herbert had 77 total touchdowns his first 2 seasons, finished as QB3 his 2nd year. I think he literally already reached elite production.

Troy Aikman had literally 1 single season of 20+ touchdowns. He is in the HOF b/c of an elite roster around him that helped carry him to 3 Super Bowls. He was a game manager, which I would argue Justin Herbert is ...not.

Now, its fair to wonder/argue how productive he will now be under Harbaugh. I just think a whole lot of people have some major recency bias against Herbert. Mainly b/c he didn't again reach those production levels he had in his first 2 seasons. Literally averages 277 passing yards per game or 4700 yards passing per 17 games for his career. Seems sorta elite-ish...

 

[TripItUp]

Lot to unpack here.

Herbert had 77 total touchdowns his first 2 seasons, finished as QB3 his 2nd year. I think he literally already reached elite production.

Troy Aikman had literally 1 single season of 20+ touchdowns. He is in the HOF b/c of an elite roster around him that helped carry him to 3 Super Bowls. He was a game manager, which I would argue Justin Herbert is ...not.

Now, its fair to wonder/argue how productive he will now be under Harbaugh. I just think a whole lot of people have some major recency bias against Herbert. Mainly b/c he didn't again reach those production levels he had in his first 2 seasons. Literally averages 277 passing yards per game or 4700 yards passing per 17 games for his career. Seems sorta elite-ish...

The Aikman comparison was looking forward not backward.

 

[steelcityman]

Everyone thought Kellen Moore was gonna make them the best offense, it didnt work. Greg Roman isnt going to throw all the time. But he could draw up a better offense than makes Herbert more efficient. 4000 and 28 TDs. Maybe run 3-4 in too. I'll take that. I got to, he's my QB1.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Everyone thought Kellen Moore was gonna make them the best offense, it didnt work. Greg Roman isnt going to throw all the time. But he could draw up a better offense than makes Herbert more efficient. 4000 and 28 TDs. Maybe run 3-4 in too. I'll take that. I got to, he's my QB1.

I think it’s possible we see a 4000 PaYd, 35 total TD season.

If the defense improves as much as everyone is saying, that could mean more RZ opportunities.

Herbert is a really, really good QB. Recency bias indeed. Last year really messed with people’s heads.

 

[Terpman22]

Everyone thought Kellen Moore was gonna make them the best offense, it didnt work. Greg Roman isnt going to throw all the time. But he could draw up a better offense than makes Herbert more efficient. 4000 and 28 TDs. Maybe run 3-4 in too. I'll take that. I got to, he's my QB1.

Chargers had a ton of injuries to a lot of key offensive players last year, including Herbert himself. Kellen Moore did however take them from a bottom of the pile YAC team and into the top 5.

I'm bullish on Herbert and if people are selling in dynasty, I'm definitely trying to buy the dip.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Plantar fasciitis.

 

[Chaka]

Plantar fasciitis.

Targeting a week 1 return.

 

[massraider]

Plantar fasciitis.

Targeting a week 1 return.

Potentially no big deal whatsoever.

Potentially a massive problem.

 

[TheWinz]

Kripes! He'll be free by the time we get to draft.

 

[Faust]

Chargers QB Justin Herbert diagnosed with plantar fascia injury to right foot, expected to be ready for 2024 season

 

[King of the Jungle]

His dynasty could not get any lower…hopefully. I hate it when I own the buy low guys. Nobody wanted him in my league due to Harbaugh, now this. Get on the field and stay healthy kid!

 

[GPS]

Plantar fasciitis.

Targeting a week 1 return.

Potentially no big deal whatsoever.

Potentially a massive problem.

True story. That's the nature of PF injuries.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

His dynasty could not get any lower…hopefully. I hate it when I own the buy low guys. Nobody wanted him in my league due to Harbaugh, now this. Get on the field and stay healthy kid!

That’s the best time to add more shares.

I’m flirting with making an offer in my other SF league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Plantar fasciitis.

Targeting a week 1 return.

Potentially no big deal whatsoever.

Potentially a massive problem.

True story. That's the nature of PF injuries.

A lot depends on the severity.

There is not one single PF injury, one size fits all.

There’s a sprain/tweak, which is what it sounds like Herbert is dealing with, and there’s a tear, which requires surgery (see; Rashod Bateman, others).

It’s not ideal - it’s a crappy injury, and it can get worse, or heal up then flare up again.

But at the moment it sounds like a couple weeks in a boot & then ramp up from there. I’m not freaking out yet.

…yet.

 

[massraider]

It’s not ideal - it’s a crappy injury, and it can get worse, or heal up then flare up again.

But at the moment it sounds like a couple weeks in a boot & then ramp up from there. I’m not freaking out yet.

I agree with your first statement, so I have no faith in the 2nd statement. You know what I mean?

My thought when I read that he had a Plantar injury is that a Plantar situation has it's own schedule. I have not seen recovery schedules for these type of injuries that were ever accurate. Pretty sure Shane Lechler was effed up for a whole season with one of these. I am no doctor, but my good personal close friends over at the Mayo clinic say it can take months to heal

The plantar fascia is a band of tissue, called fascia, that connects your heel bone to the base of your toes. It supports the arch of the foot and absorbs shock when walking.

Tension and stress on the fascia can cause small tears. Repeated stretching and tearing of the facia can irritate or inflame it, although the cause remains unclear in many cases of plantar fasciitis.

From the Chargers

Per the team: “Doctors have recommended approximately two weeks in a boot — followed by a graduated return to play protocol — with the expectation that he will be ready for the start of the regular season.”

"With the expectation" is....fine.

ESPN story

Following Thursday's practice, coach Jim Harbaugh said he had "no update" on Herbert's status, referring to the team's statement. When asked if he was concerned about his quarterback missing time on a team implementing essentially a new offense, Harbaugh said it's still "full steam ahead."

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s not ideal - it’s a crappy injury, and it can get worse, or heal up then flare up again.

But at the moment it sounds like a couple weeks in a boot & then ramp up from there. I’m not freaking out yet.

I agree with your first statement, so I have no faith in the 2nd statement. You know what I mean?

My thought when I read that he had a Plantar injury is that a Plantar situation has it's own schedule. I have not seen recovery schedules for these type of injuries that were ever accurate. Pretty sure Shane Lechler was effed up for a whole season with one of these. I am no doctor, but my good personal close friends over at the Mayo clinic say it can take months to heal

The plantar fascia is a band of tissue, called fascia, that connects your heel bone to the base of your toes. It supports the arch of the foot and absorbs shock when walking.

Tension and stress on the fascia can cause small tears. Repeated stretching and tearing of the facia can irritate or inflame it, although the cause remains unclear in many cases of plantar fasciitis.

From the Chargers

Per the team: “Doctors have recommended approximately two weeks in a boot — followed by a graduated return to play protocol — with the expectation that he will be ready for the start of the regular season.”

"With the expectation" is....fine.

ESPN story

Following Thursday's practice, coach Jim Harbaugh said he had "no update" on Herbert's status, referring to the team's statement. When asked if he was concerned about his quarterback missing time on a team implementing essentially a new offense, Harbaugh said it's still "full steam ahead."

Right - But again, it all depends on severity.

At the moment we're hearing it isn't that severe. That's the best news out of a bad news situation. I haven't seen "MRI" or "surgery scheduled" so... yeah. At the moment I'm not panicking.

 

[Scoresman]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

 

[Joe Schmo]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

So we good to drop her at this point?

 

[Scoresman]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

So we good to drop her at this point?

I think so. You won't get anything for her in dynasty.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

sounds like a good buy-low opportunity.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There are two types of plantar injuries:

Plantar fasciitis
An inflammatory condition that occurs when the plantar fascia, a band of tissue that connects the heel bone to the toes, becomes inflamed. It's often caused by overuse or repetitive strain and can develop gradually over time. Plantar fasciitis is the most common cause of heel pain, affecting more than three million people each year. Treatments include ice, stretching, and rest.

Plantar fascia injury
A more severe condition that involves damage to the plantar fascia, such as a partial or complete tear. It can be caused by a sudden trauma, like a fall or misstep, and often requires immediate medical attention. Symptoms include intense, localized pain on the bottom of the foot, ball of the foot, or arch of the foot. Sometimes, a tear can feel like a "pop" on the bottom of the foot. Treatments include icing, immobilizing, elevating, and using crutches. A ruptured plantar fascia can take several months to heal, but surgery is usually not required because the fascia can heal on its own.

I am dealing with plantar fascitis right now. It sucks - I tweaked it during my county fair about 3 weeks ago. It's feeling fine now, but there's still a slight ache. But I will not need surgery. Feels like a foot sprain, near my heel. At its worst, getting out of bed in the AM I walked with a pronounced limp. Stretching helps. But yeah - it's been 3 weeks and it's 98% healed up.

*Note: I am also not playing football on it.

 

[msudaisy26]

His dynasty could not get any lower…hopefully. I hate it when I own the buy low guys. Nobody wanted him in my league due to Harbaugh, now this. Get on the field and stay healthy kid!

I got lucky that I live in Michigan and my local dynasty has a ton of Wolverine fans in it. As soon as it was announced Harbaugh was going there I got a ton of offers for him and feel I sold very high.

 

[barackdhouse]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

sounds like a good buy-low opportunity.

Can you swing a package trade? One of those threesome deals with a really good piece with a premium Tight End that plays more like a Wide Receiver? And then add a throw-in trick play specialist like myself and we're ballin.

 

[Scoresman]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

sounds like a good buy-low opportunity.

Can you swing a package trade? One of those threesome deals with a really good piece with a premium Tight End that plays more like a Wide Receiver? And then add a throw-in trick play specialist like myself and we're ballin.

You keep your package away from my wife!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My wife had plantar fasciitis and it nagged her for two years. She did not play any football in that stretch.

sounds like a good buy-low opportunity.

Can you swing a package trade? One of those threesome deals with a really good piece with a premium Tight End that plays more like a Wide Receiver? And then add a throw-in trick play specialist like myself and we're ballin.

You keep your package away from my wife!

Did this just become the best topic ever?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As soon as it was announced Harbaugh was going there I got a ton of offers for him and feel I sold very high.

funny, as I bought low on the exact same news.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am dealing with plantar fascitis right now. It sucks - I tweaked it during my county fair about 3 weeks ago. It's feeling fine now, but there's still a slight ache. But I will not need surgery. Feels like a foot sprain, near my heel. At its worst, getting out of bed in the AM I walked with a pronounced limp. Stretching helps. But yeah - it's been 3 weeks and it's 98% healed up.

*Note: I am also not playing football on it.

Injury update. I just waked my dog 5 miles and immediately regret it. Flare up, limp.

Maybe I should get a walking boot.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I am dealing with plantar fascitis right now. It sucks - I tweaked it during my county fair about 3 weeks ago. It's feeling fine now, but there's still a slight ache. But I will not need surgery. Feels like a foot sprain, near my heel. At its worst, getting out of bed in the AM I walked with a pronounced limp. Stretching helps. But yeah - it's been 3 weeks and it's 98% healed up.

*Note: I am also not playing football on it.

Injury update. I just waked my dog 5 miles and immediately regret it. Flare up, limp.

Maybe I should get a walking boot.

As an (old) runner, I've learned I need to stretch the plantar fascia before any run or long walk. This exercise helps. (LINK) I used a porch step and usually do it with both feet at the same time. Get used to doing it for a minute or two before every exercise opportunity and eventually the PF will get better. DISCLAIMER: I'm not an orthopedists. I just play one on TV.

 

[jabarony]

I am dealing with plantar fascitis right now. It sucks - I tweaked it during my county fair about 3 weeks ago. It's feeling fine now, but there's still a slight ache. But I will not need surgery. Feels like a foot sprain, near my heel. At its worst, getting out of bed in the AM I walked with a pronounced limp. Stretching helps. But yeah - it's been 3 weeks and it's 98% healed up.

*Note: I am also not playing football on it.

Injury update. I just waked my dog 5 miles and immediately regret it. Flare up, limp.

Maybe I should get a walking boot.

As an (old) runner, I've learned I need to stretch the plantar fascia before any run or long walk. This exercise helps. (LINK) I used a porch step and usually do it with both feet at the same time. Get used to doing it for a minute or two before every exercise opportunity and eventually the PF will get better. DISCLAIMER: I'm not an orthopedists. I just play one on TV.

Please send this to the LAC medical staff. After they stabbed Tyrod, I think they need all the help they can get.

 

[massraider]

Injury update. I just waked my dog 5 miles and immediately regret it. Flare up, limp.

Maybe I should get a walking boot.

Do you feel like it would have flared up with less of a distance?







Like, if it was a much shorter walk, but Maxx Crosby was chasing you? Do you think it would have flared up?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Injury update. I just waked my dog 5 miles and immediately regret it. Flare up, limp.

Maybe I should get a walking boot.

Do you feel like it would have flared up with less of a distance?







Like, if it was a much shorter walk, but Maxx Crosby was chasing you? Do you think it would have flared up?

If Maxx was chasing me I’d be posting this from the afterlife.

 

[Gr00vus]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

 

[Gr00vus]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

I'd say you're right, but he doesn't have even above average talent at WR and TE to work with. They're not getting separation here in preseason. He's going to have to throw them open a lot. I think this will limit his numbers in comparison to other top QBs who have better talent around them at the skill positions.

Also there's not much depth on the offensive line. If they have injuries to starters there, it's going to look like last season again.

 

[VikingFrog]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

 

[Gr00vus]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

 

[Jail]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

Definitely disagree that Palmer is a JAG. He's obviously not elite, but he has starter ability. Based on what I've heard from training camp I suspect he will be Herbert's primary target this year.

From a fantasy perspective he seems like a good value. He's being drafted in 13th round, and I will be surprised if he isn't a WR3 this year. I could see a path to a WR2 in ppr.

 

[Tau837]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

Definitely disagree that Palmer is a JAG. He's obviously not elite, but he has starter ability. Based on what I've heard from training camp I suspect he will be Herbert's primary target this year.

From a fantasy perspective he seems like a good value. He's being drafted in 13th round, and I will be surprised if he isn't a WR3 this year. I could see a path to a WR2 in ppr.

I will be surprised if Palmer is a WR3, unless a couple others miss significant time due to injury. I think the Chargers will have a committee approach this season involving a lot of WRs, and it will cap the fantasy value of all of them.

I pretty much agree with @Gr00vus 's take... Palmer and Chark are JAGs. IMO Davis is not useful as a WR. (A handful of snaps per season on offense is not useful.) That leaves McConkey, Johnston, Rice, and Johnson as unproven players. On top of that Palmer and Chark are UFAs after this season, whereas the others all remain under contract. I'm sure they will use the players who best help them to win, but if there isn't much separation among them, it makes sense to give plenty of snaps to the guys under contract beyond this season.

 

[Chaka]

They may not have much at the skill positions but, they could have a great set of tackles and an above average center. The extra 0.5 seconds that affords Herbert is significant.

I also have reasonable confidence that this coaching staff has the ability to maximize the talent on the roster.

I am somewhat bearish on Herbert at this point and he is definitely moving up my draft board.

 

[Ray_T]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

Definitely disagree that Palmer is a JAG. He's obviously not elite, but he has starter ability. Based on what I've heard from training camp I suspect he will be Herbert's primary target this year.

From a fantasy perspective he seems like a good value. He's being drafted in 13th round, and I will be surprised if he isn't a WR3 this year. I could see a path to a WR2 in ppr.

I will be surprised if Palmer is a WR3, unless a couple others miss significant time due to injury. I think the Chargers will have a committee approach this season involving a lot of WRs, and it will cap the fantasy value of all of them.

I pretty much agree with @Gr00vus 's take... Palmer and Chark are JAGs. IMO Davis is not useful as a WR. (A handful of snaps per season on offense is not useful.) That leaves McConkey, Johnston, Rice, and Johnson as unproven players. On top of that Palmer and Chark are UFAs after this season, whereas the others all remain under contract. I'm sure they will use the players who best help them to win, but if there isn't much separation among them, it makes sense to give plenty of snaps to the guys under contract beyond this season.

what is interesting, I saw 2 articles that say Chark has had a fantastic camp so far and has looked like the best WR out there.

granted its still early in pre season and some of the guys he's burning will be flipping burgers in 3 months time. but if this continues to the end of pre season he may be a surprise heading into week 1

 

[Gr00vus]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

Definitely disagree that Palmer is a JAG. He's obviously not elite, but he has starter ability. Based on what I've heard from training camp I suspect he will be Herbert's primary target this year.

From a fantasy perspective he seems like a good value. He's being drafted in 13th round, and I will be surprised if he isn't a WR3 this year. I could see a path to a WR2 in ppr.

I will be surprised if Palmer is a WR3, unless a couple others miss significant time due to injury. I think the Chargers will have a committee approach this season involving a lot of WRs, and it will cap the fantasy value of all of them.

I pretty much agree with @Gr00vus 's take... Palmer and Chark are JAGs. IMO Davis is not useful as a WR. (A handful of snaps per season on offense is not useful.) That leaves McConkey, Johnston, Rice, and Johnson as unproven players. On top of that Palmer and Chark are UFAs after this season, whereas the others all remain under contract. I'm sure they will use the players who best help them to win, but if there isn't much separation among them, it makes sense to give plenty of snaps to the guys under contract beyond this season.

what is interesting, I saw 2 articles that say Chark has had a fantastic camp so far and has looked like the best WR out there.

granted its still early in pre season and some of the guys he's burning will be flipping burgers in 3 months time. but if this continues to the end of pre season he may be a surprise heading into week 1

He hasn't shown much in the pre season games, but he hasn't had many reps/targets in them either.

 

[Ray_T]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

Definitely disagree that Palmer is a JAG. He's obviously not elite, but he has starter ability. Based on what I've heard from training camp I suspect he will be Herbert's primary target this year.

From a fantasy perspective he seems like a good value. He's being drafted in 13th round, and I will be surprised if he isn't a WR3 this year. I could see a path to a WR2 in ppr.

I will be surprised if Palmer is a WR3, unless a couple others miss significant time due to injury. I think the Chargers will have a committee approach this season involving a lot of WRs, and it will cap the fantasy value of all of them.

I pretty much agree with @Gr00vus 's take... Palmer and Chark are JAGs. IMO Davis is not useful as a WR. (A handful of snaps per season on offense is not useful.) That leaves McConkey, Johnston, Rice, and Johnson as unproven players. On top of that Palmer and Chark are UFAs after this season, whereas the others all remain under contract. I'm sure they will use the players who best help them to win, but if there isn't much separation among them, it makes sense to give plenty of snaps to the guys under contract beyond this season.

what is interesting, I saw 2 articles that say Chark has had a fantastic camp so far and has looked like the best WR out there.

granted its still early in pre season and some of the guys he's burning will be flipping burgers in 3 months time. but if this continues to the end of pre season he may be a surprise heading into week 1

He hasn't shown much in the pre season games, but he hasn't had many reps/targets in them either.

yeah the pre season its really tough to evaluate the starters because they get almost no playing time. I look at training camp reports online. sometimes the writer will color the facts a bit so you gotta keep that in mind but usually you can tell who is doing better than who and that's what you want to know.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There’s currently speculation that Dotson could be released by WAS, and LAC was mentioned as a possible landing spot.

 

[Tau837]

Herbert's participating in practice again, no boot.

:confetti:

Never a doubt. He’s gonna be a bargain this year.

He was definitely a bargain in my superflex auction league last Saturday.

And I punted on QBs so I’m okay with it and the three guys I got.

But it’s hard to get excited about the guys he’s throwing to.

The only pass catcher that was drafted in that same auction was Mcckonkey.

That says a lot about what people think about the situation.

Given who's gotten reps and who hasn't in the 2 preseason games, it looks like Palmer, McConkey, and Chark are the top 3 WRs. They really want to work Rice in there, but I honestly haven't seen anything from him in these games that demands reps once the season starts. QJ looked good on his 2 opportunities Saturday, and Fehoko has probably been the best WR over the 2 games. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're placeholders until the team can find upgrades - they're hoping QJ, Rice, or someone else on the roster can be the upgrades, but I'm skeptical.

Definitely disagree that Palmer is a JAG. He's obviously not elite, but he has starter ability. Based on what I've heard from training camp I suspect he will be Herbert's primary target this year.

From a fantasy perspective he seems like a good value. He's being drafted in 13th round, and I will be surprised if he isn't a WR3 this year. I could see a path to a WR2 in ppr.

I will be surprised if Palmer is a WR3, unless a couple others miss significant time due to injury. I think the Chargers will have a committee approach this season involving a lot of WRs, and it will cap the fantasy value of all of them.

I pretty much agree with @Gr00vus 's take... Palmer and Chark are JAGs. IMO Davis is not useful as a WR. (A handful of snaps per season on offense is not useful.) That leaves McConkey, Johnston, Rice, and Johnson as unproven players. On top of that Palmer and Chark are UFAs after this season, whereas the others all remain under contract. I'm sure they will use the players who best help them to win, but if there isn't much separation among them, it makes sense to give plenty of snaps to the guys under contract beyond this season.

what is interesting, I saw 2 articles that say Chark has had a fantastic camp so far and has looked like the best WR out there.

granted its still early in pre season and some of the guys he's burning will be flipping burgers in 3 months time. but if this continues to the end of pre season he may be a surprise heading into week 1

I trust his results in NFL games over the past few seasons more than this year's training camp reports.