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QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (2 Viewers)

kutta said:
I don't know if you are calling him "Klingsbury" because his first name is "Kliff," but his last name doesn't have an "L."

If it's a play on words, carry on.
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It's not schtick.  At times I inadvertently channel Emily Litella.

Emily Litella (Gilda Radner) gives an editorial response about parents objecting to violins on television.

What's all this fuss I'm hearing about the presidential Erection?

What's all this fuss I'm hearing about the Eagle Rights Amendment?

Kingsbury.  Nevermind.

 
Bruceman6 said:
Kyler is 5’10 207

Brandin Cooks, Tyreek Hill, and Antonio Brown are all about 5’10 185 and seem to have all stayed healthy getting tackled. And Murray will probably take less open field hits with sliding. What’s the difference in how these players for example haven’t gotten “killed” on the football field?
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They're not getting tackled/knocked down on a regular basis by 300lb DLs.

 
Do you bump Murray up in 16 team leagues? Qb has a little more value in those, and I’m wondering if that changes where you slot him in your rookie draft vs the other players. 

 
Snorkelson said:
Do you bump Murray up in 16 team leagues? Qb has a little more value in those, and I’m wondering if that changes where you slot him in your rookie draft vs the other players. 
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Yes. I'm only in one 16 team league and many of the owners in that league don't seem to value QBs as highly as they should (don't know if that's typical or not). Murray went in the late first. Depending on system I think he's worthy of consideration within the top 5-6 spots in this class (I'd personally consider him in my top group with Jacobs, Sanders, AJ Brown, and Samuel). 

 
Dezbelief said:
They're not getting tackled/knocked down on a regular basis by 300lb DLs.
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Murray "doesn't get hit." Neither did Baker, who isn't big either. 

Mariota and Mahomes were the same way in college. Reid lets Mahomes do his thing while the Titans have marched a slew of coaches through that insist on telling Mariota how to be behind the LOS. 

Did ya see Baker rolling out a lot last year?

The Titans are going with the old style which is wrong. The current crop of QBs are mobile and after they read the D presnap, they know that they've gotta roll with way or that way in order to buy time to make the play the coach called. In the old days, it was rely on the OL, stand tough, trust the WR will get open and...it's not that way anymore or it's changing. 

Lamar Jackson is outside the pocket all the time too. He has yet to really use his arm in the NFL but I believe he's gifted and will soon. 

These guys are wayyyyy faster than Joe Montana and have moves unlike Dan Marino.  They're not unaware that a hit is coming and left unprotected. They are getting out in space where they know without a doubt when the hit will come so they can release it before that point.  Standing in a crowd and throwing is harder for them with a DL possibly winning his battle and hitting him a second later. 

The speed at which they can roll, plant, and throw is incredible. A pass rusher has his momentum going into the OL, then would have to turn and chase and...it's just not enough time. 

Watch Peyton Manning's breakdowns. Some teams put an OLB or extra CB near the slot to guard against the rollout then the offense counters with a RB in the backfield so the team can't cheat. When teams guarded against Mahomes' rollouts, he just ran further backward to get space. Ya gotta check out Peyton, they're fantastic.

Back to Murray, his college coach turned NFL coach won't restrict him. He'll still do his thing. 

 
The Shotgun show: Don't expect Arizona Cardinals' Kyler Murray under center much

The Shotgun show: Don't expect Arizona Cardinals' Kyler Murray under center much

Arizona Cardinals center A.Q. Shipley raised some eyebrows a couple of weeks ago when he was a guest on "The Pat McAfee Show," a YouTube production starring the funny-man former Indianapolis Colts punter.

Shipley was asked what NFL fans can expect out of the Cardinals’ offense in 2019 now that it is being orchestrated by an offensive-minded former college coach in Kliff Kingsbury and a dual-threat quarterback in rookie Kyler Murray.

"All of college football is all shotgun, correct?" Shipley said. "So, 99 percent of what we’re going to be doing, what do you think it’s going to be?

"Shotgun."

In light of that bold proclamation, Kingsbury was asked last week just how realistic the chances are of the Cardinals operating out of the shotgun formation at least 90% — or possibly more — of the time.

"I’m not sure," he said. "That’s another thing we’re working through, to see what the best balance for us is. Last year, Kansas City was 80 percent-plus. They were decent on offense. Pretty good. So, we’ll see. Whatever fits our team best is what we’re going to do."

Shipley might have been exaggerating a bit with his “99 percent” prediction, but he might not be that far off. Guess who led the league in snap-count percentages out of the shotgun in passing situations in both 2016 and 2017?

The Cardinals threw out of the shotgun formation an NFL-high 90% of the time in 2016 and an even higher 94% in 2017, according to snap rates provided by SharpFootballStats.com. That came during the final two years of Bruce Arians’ tenure as head coach in Arizona with non-mobile veteran Carson Palmer as the starting quarterback....
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The NFL offensively with each passing season is becoming more of a shotgun league.  In 2018 more than half the teams ran at least 60% of their total plays from the gun.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Like an airplane crashes only once.  Kitchens only 'attempted' to roll-out Baker one time last year.

Go to the 1:35 mark of this video to see the clip and hear Baker tell Freddy not to do that again.

Baker Mayfield Mic'd Up vs. Falcons

Baker Mayfield has 4.8 speed not 4.3 like Kyler Murray.  The running threat of Murray is what could be a fantasy game changer.
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he scrambles tons. nitpick but maybe roll out was a poor word choice

 
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Bruceman6 said:
Kyler is 5’10 207

Brandin Cooks, Tyreek Hill, and Antonio Brown are all about 5’10 185 and seem to have all stayed healthy getting tackled. And Murray will probably take less open field hits with sliding. What’s the difference in how these players for example haven’t gotten “killed” on the football field?
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Yeah, bro. But like, those guys are getting tackled by defensive backs. Quarterbacks get tackled by lineman and linebackers. Imagine 6 ft 4, 304 lb Ndamukong Suh falls on 5 ft 10, 207 lb Kyler Murray. Who wins that collision?

 
Raptors409 said:
Yeah, bro. But like, those guys are getting tackled by defensive backs. Quarterbacks get tackled by lineman and linebackers. Imagine 6 ft 4, 304 lb Ndamukong Suh falls on 5 ft 10, 207 lb Kyler Murray. Who wins that collision?
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If Suh falls on him I think Suh won, but Murray still gets up after. My argument there was more for the people arguing open field hits will hurt him. I’m not worried about Murray in the pocket either tho with his elusiveness and how similar sized qbs and rbs have held up taking the same hits from 300 lb d line men.

 
Josh Weinfuss @joshweinfuss

Kyler Murray just unleashed a side-arm bullet during a scramble drill. His repertoire is starting to become impressive.

12:15 PM - Jun 12, 2019
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Went #1 in our dynasty rookie draft.  Even more impressive the guy traded up to get him, using the #6 this year and three additional first round picks over the next two drafts.  It's a 10 team, start 1 QB, with all TDs worth 6.....but still.....

 
matttyl said:
Went #1 in our dynasty rookie draft.  Even more impressive the guy traded up to get him, using the #6 this year and three additional first round picks over the next two drafts.  It's a 10 team, start 1 QB, with all TDs worth 6.....but still.....
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Very strange trade. Why not just wait to see if Murray lasts til 1.06? Or hell, 2.06 if you like taking chances.

 
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matttyl said:
Went #1 in our dynasty rookie draft.  Even more impressive the guy traded up to get him, using the #6 this year and three additional first round picks over the next two drafts.  It's a 10 team, start 1 QB, with all TDs worth 6.....but still.....
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In a 10-team, start 1 QB league, trading 4 1st round picks for any QB is stupid. 

I think Kyler is going to be a top 10 QB for however long Kingsbury lasts, but that is horrendous trade value. 

 
matttyl said:
Went #1 in our dynasty rookie draft.  Even more impressive the guy traded up to get him, using the #6 this year and three additional first round picks over the next two drafts.  It's a 10 team, start 1 QB, with all TDs worth 6.....but still.....
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Four firsts for Murray? I like him lots but that's dumb.

 
matttyl said:
Went #1 in our dynasty rookie draft.  Even more impressive the guy traded up to get him, using the #6 this year and three additional first round picks over the next two drafts.  It's a 10 team, start 1 QB, with all TDs worth 6.....but still.....
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I think you and I have different understandings of the word "impressive".

 
cloppbeast said:
Very strange trade. Why not just wait to see if Murray lasts til 1.06? Or hell, 2.06 if you like taking chances.
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He wouldn't have.  Somehow everyone (but me) in my league seems to believe he's the next Mahommes.  Had he not gone at 1, the guy with the 2 pick would have taken him.  The league seems to think that Josh Jacobs is just going to be average. 

Anyway, yes, a 10 team start 1 QB league.  So, for instance, I already have Rodgers, Cam and Brees on my roster.  Why not come to me and offer me a single first or something for Cam and keep the rest?  That's what I don't get. 

 
Faust said:
Kyler Murray just unleashed a side-arm bullet during a scramble drill. His repertoire is starting to become impressive.
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Matthew Berry's 10 rookie takeaways: Too low on Kyler Murray?   

1. Murray and Butler quickly developing chemistry   

..."Well, we're roommates," as if to say, "Duh, Berry." He explained further that a lot of times they don't even talk ball, but just are getting to know each other and that, in a short period of time, they have grown close, a sentiment Kyler echoed to me in a later interview.

...Murray told me later how excited he's been, as he's never had a WR the size of Butler (he's 6-foot-6, 225 pounds). From Butler's point of view, using his body, size and winning those 50-50 balls is an important aspect of his game, something he's been working on with Calvin Johnson.

...I met a lot of teammates: college guys who now play on different NFL teams and current pro teammates. All of them said the right things, of course, but none of them was as effusive and seemed as genuinely happy about the other than Kyler Murray and Hakeem Butler.

10. I am probably too low on Kyler Murray

I spoke of Kyler Murray earlier in the Hakeem Butler section, but wanted to focus solely on Murray here. Both Butler and Andy Isabella (another Cardinals draftee who was also at the rookie premiere) raved about Murray's accuracy in practice. But the thing I found most interesting was his reaction to his ESPN projection. Most players (with the exception of the aforementioned Renfrow, of course) took the over on their projection or just said, "Sounds good to me, I'm just trying to help the team win, blah, blah, blah."

But Murray was shocked and upset when I told him we were projecting a line that read 3,798 passing yards, 22 TDs, 14 INTs and 100 carries for 558 yards and three more touchdowns. He looked at me as if I read it wrong. "A 22-to-14 TD-interception rate?" he said shaking his head. Clearly, he does not think he will come close to that high a turnover rate.

The other part of his projection he thought was crazy was 100 rushing attempts. He thought he'd be way over that. I asked him if he expected a lot of designed runs. I said we knew he'd have a lot of scrambles on broken plays, but was he hoping for more designed run calls? He said no, "not with the guys in this league."

But even with that lack of desire for designed runs he thought, over a 16-game season, 100 rushing attempts was too low. I have Kyler as the No. 14 QB right now and I'm likely too low.
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Very interesting about the side-arm delivery on scrambles, the Hakeem/Kyler roomie relationship 'possibly' transferring to the field, and Murray quibbling about low projections especially him no seeing 14 INTs to 22 TDs and thinking 100 rushing attempts were low.

 
Heard on local radio today that the primary take away from Cards OTA’s was that to a man, the players and coaches say that Murray is the real thing. Lots of guys are saying that there’s no doubt that drafting Murray was the right thing to do.

 
Top Takeaways From The Cardinals’ 2019 Offseason

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KYLER MURRAY IS AS DYNAMIC AS ANTICIPATED

There were no pads, no pass rush, no way to get hit. There is still no way to know how Kyler Murray will play for sure on the NFL level until the games actually happen. Still, it’s impossible not to notice up close on the practice field what the Cardinals’ decision-makers loved about the quarterback, and the reason they spent the first overall pick on him and dealt Josh Rosen. Murray’s arm is electric, powerful and accurate. His shiftiness in the pocket – not the times he brings it down and runs, which he can obviously do – allows him to buy himself time to look down the field. His size, at least in practice, does not hinder. By all accounts, he is knowledgeable and comfortable in the offense. That’s important. But it’s the athletic gifts that fuels the optimism, and Murray will be fun to watch once the pads come on.
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Dudes going to blow up immediately. Top 5 QB season as a rookie with all his rushing yards too. Upgrade all Arizona skill players too. That D is going to suck too. Lots of throwing. 

 
Milkman said:
Dudes going to blow up immediately. Top 5 QB season as a rookie with all his rushing yards too. Upgrade all Arizona skill players too. That D is going to suck too. Lots of throwing. 
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Very well could happen. Not sure how many games they will win, but the offense sure seems like they are going to put up points.

 
Milkman said:
Dudes going to blow up immediately. Top 5 QB season as a rookie with all his rushing yards too. Upgrade all Arizona skill players too. That D is going to suck too. Lots of throwing. 
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He has a shot at #1 overall. Most analysts are being waaaay too conservative in their approach to him.

 
Holy crap guys.  Where do we go from here?  Maybe he’ll put up the most points ever in FF history?

Let’s pump the brakes a little.  I like his upside, but he still hasn’t thrown a single pass or run for a single yard against a NFL opponent.

 
Milkman said:
He's right though........
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he's right in the way that the top 12 Qbs have a shot at #1 or you think as a rookie he is going to outperform proven studs in the NFL?

Which side:

BEST ROOKIE EVER

or 

Does he have the same shot as every QB1 with upside

mahommes- looks a stud

Luck- great offense and great player

Watson- legs and arm will he put it together with no injury

Brady- one last stud season?

Roethlisberger- can he be a stud without A Brown

Rivers- always near the top

Wentz- can he stay healthy and be QB1

Rodgers- new offense always a stud

Newton- does he finally suck at throwing the football

 
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RushHour said:
Not saying he will, but it's possible. He could be as impactful as Mahomes was last year and I don't think many people are truly considering that possibility. 
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Mahomes got to sit for a year watching and learning about the game at the next level, and also has Andy Reid as a coach.   Those are not insignificant factors.

 
RushHour said:
Not saying he will, but it's possible. He could be as impactful as Mahomes was last year and I don't think many people are truly considering that possibility. 
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Arizona's D is going to be bad this year too. It's unlikely Kyler Murray even throws 40 TDs but its in his range. 

 
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From a clean pocket, we get to see the signal-caller get a fair shake, and we can ask questions like “Is he accurate enough?’’ or “Does he make sound decisions?” without muddying the surrounding circumstances. Effective play from clean pockets was a huge reason for PFF standing firmly on the side of Baker Mayfield’s potential in 2018 and Kyler Murray’s in 2019,  because we’ve gotten to see them succeed in those circumstances at the college level where others have failed.
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