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QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (7 Viewers)

super flex?
I wish, but no. May see about trading Wentz to a QB needy owner and then taking Murray. I hate to buy into hype when no one has seen him play a single down of a real game, but it just seems from reviews and the limited info out there that he's going to put up numbers. 

 
I wish, but no. May see about trading Wentz to a QB needy owner and then taking Murray. I hate to buy into hype when no one has seen him play a single down of a real game, but it just seems from reviews and the limited info out there that he's going to put up numbers. 
Unless you trade Luck or Wentz that’s a wasted pick no?

I have Luck, Wentz, Mayfield and Trubisky along with 1.1, 1.3 and 1.4. I thought about trading Trubisky for a 2020 pick if I could but considering my roster I’m not sure I’d ever start Murray. Considering all things that is......

Tex

lol I missed your trading Wentz comment.

carry on....

 
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I blame @Milkman, but I'm signed up for this train.

It was a 3 part trade that ultimately lead to

Giving up: Dak, 2020 2nd (mid to early), Grier, Preston Williams

Got: Murray, mid 2020 3rd, Ollison, Gaskin

Trade 1:

Gave Dak, Preston William's

Got: Jimmy G, 2021 1st

(included a 3rd from me for a player to be named later. 

Trade 2:

Gave: My own 2021 1st, 2020 2nd from a team projected mid to early, Grier, Jimmy G.

Got: Murray, 2020 3rd mid, 2021 3rd mid, Ollison

Trade 3: (an agreement with the team from trade 1 above)

Gave: 2021 3rd from above

Got: Gaskin

I'm pretty happy with the outcome, but I felt less nervous about Dak. Ultimately I sold Dak because when he didnt have Zeke he wasnt nearly as good as with him. Plus Murray is a better double threat. 

 
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Does Murray's strong performance make David Johnson the #5 rb?
QB's who can run have usually been really good for the running game.  Plus Murray has great touch for the passes out of the backfield.

DJ has legit #1 RB upside and his floor is high.  Couldn't fault anyone for taking him as high as #4 with the Elliott holdout concerns.  

 
I blame @Milkman, but I'm signed up for this train.

It was a 3 part trade that ultimately lead to

Giving up: Dak, 2020 2nd (mid to early), Grier, Preston Williams

Got: Murray, mid 2020 3rd, Ollison, Gaskin

Trade 1:

Gave Dak, Preston William's

Got: Jimmy G, 2021 1st

(included a 3rd from me for a player to be named later. 

Trade 2:

Gave: My own 2021 1st, 2020 2nd from a team projected mid to early, Grier, Jimmy G.

Got: Murray, 2020 3rd mid, 2021 3rd mid, Ollison

Trade 3: (an agreement with the team from trade 1 above)

Gave: 2021 3rd from above

Got: Gaskin

I'm pretty happy with the outcome, but I felt less nervous about Dak. Ultimately I sold Dak because when he didnt have Zeke he wasnt nearly as good as with him. Plus Murray is a better double threat. 
I think you did very well with these deals. The only regret I can possibly see is giving away Preston William's, his stock may rise. bigtime. 

 
I think you did very well with these deals. The only regret I can possibly see is giving away Preston William's, his stock may rise. bigtime. 
I agree. I tries to get him back with another trade but unable. 

On the other side of that coin, I am having some potential roster space issues and am very deep with young wr talent so i felt i could afford to lose him. I am hoping his owner gets impatient with him and agrees to sell. 

 
The best part of last night was that he looked really good throwing the ball and didn’t rush once. I think people underestimate his accuracy and arm strength and think he’s just a runner, but the dude has a legit arm.

 
I don’t recall any passes down the middle which will be important to see given his height. That said, he looked sharp and completely in control. Good night for him. 

 
The best part of last night was that he looked really good throwing the ball and didn’t rush once. I think people underestimate his accuracy and arm strength and think he’s just a runner, but the dude has a legit arm.
Those people must not have watched him in college.

Brett Kollmann (The Film Room YT series, beat writer for the Texans) did a piece months ago that gives a little backstory/history of the offense, it’s influence on the NFL, and does an outstanding job here explaining how Kyler Murray makes his reads. Breaks down a bunch of plays, worth the watch.

Ignore the title - this was before the trade, his discussion of Rosen is minimal. His main point is that while Kyler is exceptional, almost any QB is capable of taking a quick snapshot of the defensive alignment & being successful. Air Raid forces defenders into isolation even when they’re playing zone. Terrific explain.

The NFL is NOT ready for Kliff Klingsbury’s Air Raid

 
The best part of last night was that he looked really good throwing the ball and didn’t rush once. I think people underestimate his accuracy and arm strength and think he’s just a runner, but the dude has a legit arm.
He had a really good touch on his passes, even when on the run. 

@Milkman posted several of these same passes in practice- they look beautiful. I dont know how to describe it- just looks like a perfect spiral, arc, whatever with minimal effort. Its hard to put it into words, but it's something I haven't seen before, especially from a rookie. 

 
The more I read this thread, the more I want to have the cajones to draft Kyler as my QB1. Those with similar ideas, I assume you are going to want a solid back-up QB "just in case". I was thinking Rivers, but they both are on bye in week 12. Anyone with thoughts on this ? 

 
The more I read this thread, the more I want to have the cajones to draft Kyler as my QB1. Those with similar ideas, I assume you are going to want a solid back-up QB "just in case". I was thinking Rivers, but they both are on bye in week 12. Anyone with thoughts on this ? 
Stafford (vs Wash week 12) is a solid backup guy who seems comparable to Rivers.  Even a guy like Flacco (vs Buff week 12) could be insurance.  

Thing is, there will be plenty of time before week 12 to pick someone.  If you are truly confident in Murray, don’t worry about whi your backup is.  Just plan to go full-stream if Murray doesn’t pan out.

 
The more I read this thread, the more I want to have the cajones to draft Kyler as my QB1. Those with similar ideas, I assume you are going to want a solid back-up QB "just in case". I was thinking Rivers, but they both are on bye in week 12. Anyone with thoughts on this ? 
Don’t draft a backup QB. Guys will emerge on the WW - every single year - that will outpoint the QB15-20 you waste a pick on. Instead grab a Crockett/Edmunds/Harris/Hill/Mattison lottery ticket.

 
Don’t draft a backup QB. Guys will emerge on the WW - every single year - that will outpoint the QB15-20 you waste a pick on. Instead grab a Crockett/Edmunds/Harris/Hill/Mattison lottery ticket.
I feel like if I do that though, I am truly putting all my eggs in one basket (so to speak). In my 12 team league (18 man rosters) pretty much every team will draft 2 QBs, leaving the remaining choices pretty scarce. Seems ballsy to ride with Kyler as my QB1. Seems ballsy as hell to not draft a back-up at all. LOL

Appreciate the responses.

 
I don’t recall any passes down the middle which will be important to see given his height. That said, he looked sharp and completely in control. Good night for him. 
He barely threw the ball downfield. And every receiver he threw to was wide open by at least three yards. 

Other than an opportunity to get his feet wet there really wasn't a whole lot to takeaway from this game. 

 
I feel like if I do that though, I am truly putting all my eggs in one basket (so to speak). In my 12 team league (18 man rosters) pretty much every team will draft 2 QBs, leaving the remaining choices pretty scarce. Seems ballsy to ride with Kyler as my QB1. Seems ballsy as hell to not draft a back-up at all. LOL

Appreciate the responses.
Similar league for me - 16 x 12 with 2 IR spots.

Nobody drafted Ryan Fitzpatrick or Baker Mayfield. Heck, Josh Allen and Nick Mullins were awesome streamers.

It’s all about value. Every time I see one of my leaguemates draft a backup QB, TE, D or WR5/6, I figure that’s one more lottery ticket RB available for me. 

QB is literally the easiest position to replace. 

 
He looked good. The ball comes out fast. Didn't really see anything amazing but didn't see anything alarming either. 

The screen pass to DJ had me excited. DJ hasn't seen that kind of room in a long time. Really think that offense is going to turn DJ and Murray into league winners. 

 
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At work, how'd he look last night? Did he take off and run at all?
No rushes, spun out of the pocket once & found his WR on the sideline but Keesean has stepped OOB & come back on. Otherwise perfect (6/7 44), quick reads & got the ball out fast.

 
I feel like if I do that though, I am truly putting all my eggs in one basket (so to speak). In my 12 team league (18 man rosters) pretty much every team will draft 2 QBs, leaving the remaining choices pretty scarce. Seems ballsy to ride with Kyler as my QB1. Seems ballsy as hell to not draft a back-up at all. LOL

Appreciate the responses.
With 32 NFL teams, you can take Murray, your 11 leaguemates can take 2 QBs each, and there will still 9 starting QBs for you to choose from.  Take a look at some rankings and see who the 24th QB is.  I checked a few and found:

Stafford, Carr, Dalton, Darnold.

All guys I could live with as a fill-in starter.  Seriously, hold off on QB, and only draft one if you see 2-3 teams in your league grabbing THIRD quarterbacks.  Even then, you may not be the only team going with one.  

There will almost always be starters on the waiver wire unless your league has very deep rosters.  (The one 12-team league I have trouble finding QBs on the wire for has 40-man rosters.  Opportunity cost of stockpiling QBs there is much lower than usual.)

 
With 32 NFL teams, you can take Murray, your 11 leaguemates can take 2 QBs each, and there will still 9 starting QBs for you to choose from.  Take a look at some rankings and see who the 24th QB is.  I checked a few and found:

Stafford, Carr, Dalton, Darnold.

All guys I could live with as a fill-in starter.  Seriously, hold off on QB, and only draft one if you see 2-3 teams in your league grabbing THIRD quarterbacks.  Even then, you may not be the only team going with one.  

There will almost always be starters on the waiver wire unless your league has very deep rosters.  (The one 12-team league I have trouble finding QBs on the wire for has 40-man rosters.  Opportunity cost of stockpiling QBs there is much lower than usual.)
Appreciate the advice. I suppose the fact that Murray's bye is week 12 helps with the waiting. 

 
He has a borderline elite release.
That and he doesn’t just take off as soon as he feels heat, does a good job of extending plays. Of course he’s electric when he does run, but this is a very cerebral QB.

I suggest everyone scroll up & click on the Brett Kollmann video analysis I posted of how Air Raid works; Kyler is very good at processing what he sees & making quick decisions. There’s already several teams running elements of it, but this is the first full blown test case. 

I love the way it forces defenses into isolated coverages. Murray, Johnson, Kirk, Isabella & Old Man River are gonna be fun to watch this year.

 
I really like that rollout bubble screen to Fitzgerald. Hopefully he's their LOS mismatch / gadget guy.

I think coach is conciously aware that Fitzgerald is on a collision course with being the 2nd best WR of all time and will help pad his stats a little.
Wait until the regular season starts and they start running 27 variations of the mesh play.* These guys are gonna score a ton of touchdowns in 2019.

*watch the Kollman video ⬆️ upthread

 
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Kyler Murray completed 3-of-8 passes for 12 yards, zero touchdowns and zero interceptions in Thursday's preseason game against the Raiders.

Murray's struggles went beyond the box score, as he was flagged for a pair of false start penalties and took a safety trying to spin away from contact on a sack. The flags were for "fake clapping" before the snap. As a passer, Murray air mailed Christian Kirk twice and missed Larry Fitzgerald twice. It was a "welcome to the NFL" moment against the Raiders' poor defense. It also says very little about how Murray will fare once the lights come on next month. If this puts a pin in Murray's soaring ADP, all the better.

Aug 15, 2019, 9:32 PM ET

 
Kyler Murray completed 3-of-8 passes for 12 yards, zero touchdowns and zero interceptions in Thursday's preseason game against the Raiders.

Murray's struggles went beyond the box score, as he was flagged for a pair of false start penalties and took a safety trying to spin away from contact on a sack. The flags were for "fake clapping" before the snap. As a passer, Murray air mailed Christian Kirk twice and missed Larry Fitzgerald twice. It was a "welcome to the NFL" moment against the Raiders' poor defense. It also says very little about how Murray will fare once the lights come on next month. If this puts a pin in Murray's soaring ADP, all the better.

Aug 15, 2019, 9:32 PM ET
:wall:   I took him 2.01 in Superflex. Whaaa? 

 
If it was a rookie draft, is say not to worry. But a redraft or startup draft... Might be painful
LIght-hearted free music redraft in the FFA. Had the picks at the turn and took Mayfield and Murray, who I picked partially because I want to see how this works out.

Not startup. Not rookie. Flat redraft. 

 

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