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QB Mac Jones, SF (1 Viewer)

SoBeDad said:
I think Fields will improve over time, much like Allen did in Buffalo. He already has a faster trajectory to excellence than Allen did, because of accuracy passing, at least based on the games I've seen.  
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I'm probably more unsure about Fields than anyone.  Most can go either way, but it really is true about Fields.

 
Big fan of Mac. Traded Hurts in a package to get Jones a few weeks ago in SF. He just looks like he's going to be a really good QB.

 
BB seems intent on winning old school, playing physical smash mouth football and winning through a good ground game, defense, and special teams. That formula has worked lately and they don’t need Jones to win games for them. That doesn’t mean he can’t do more, they just haven’t asked him to. 

It remains to be seen if the defense can play this well week in and week out. But at some point NE will likely have to score points and play from behind. And you just know at some point Jones is going to make a big rookie mistake. 

Fantasy wise, I don’t think Jones will offer all that much until he gets more to work with on offense and they take the training wheels off. That might be another year or two. Unlike other teams, NE will go as far as their defense will take them. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
BB seems intent on winning old school, playing physical smash mouth football and winning through a good ground game, defense, and special teams. That formula has worked lately and they don’t need Jones to win games for them. That doesn’t mean he can’t do more, they just haven’t asked him to. 

It remains to be seen if the defense can play this well week in and week out. But at some point NE will likely have to score points and play from behind. And you just know at some point Jones is going to make a big rookie mistake. 

Fantasy wise, I don’t think Jones will offer all that much until he gets more to work with on offense and they take the training wheels off. That might be another year or two. Unlike other teams, NE will go as far as their defense will take them. 
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Jones threw the ball 39 times vs Miami in his first NFL start. In a game in which they ran for 125 yards. I think the training wheels have come off at times in some games, but the WRs being limited is a bigger factor.  Last night, up 13-0 late in the 3rd, Jones threw a long pass to Smith on 1st and 10 from the ATL 38; good throw but the CB made a good play. With better WRs Jones will try more of those throws in the future. As you predicted early, the defense has become near elite. That will limit what Jones needs to do to win. I'm looking forward to see what Mac does in the 2 games vs the Bills and the one vs a somewhat rejuvenated Miami defense.

 
lardonastick said:
Big fan of Mac. Traded Hurts in a package to get Jones a few weeks ago in SF. He just looks like he's going to be a really good QB.
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I think you are going to regret this move in Fake Football. Mac drives Bill B's Ferrari, but only drives it in 1st gear. With that dominant D and dominant running game, I just don't see Mac putting up much more that 200 and 1/2 TD's. And he doesn't rush. Hurts is a top 10 fake football QB.

 
Scooby1974 said:
I think you are going to regret this move in Fake Football. Mac drives Bill B's Ferrari, but only drives it in 1st gear. With that dominant D and dominant running game, I just don't see Mac putting up much more that 200 and 1/2 TD's. And he doesn't rush. Hurts is a top 10 fake football QB.
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How confident are you that Hurts is a starting QB next year? 2023?

I'd also add that this is my QB3 spot, behind Lamar and Herbert.

 
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SoBeDad said:
Jones threw the ball 39 times vs Miami in his first NFL start. In a game in which they ran for 125 yards. I think the training wheels have come off at times in some games, but the WRs being limited is a bigger factor.  Last night, up 13-0 late in the 3rd, Jones threw a long pass to Smith on 1st and 10 from the ATL 38; good throw but the CB made a good play. With better WRs Jones will try more of those throws in the future. As you predicted early, the defense has become near elite. That will limit what Jones needs to do to win. I'm looking forward to see what Mac does in the 2 games vs the Bills and the one vs a somewhat rejuvenated Miami defense.
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The way Jones' season has gone has been pretty been indicative of the game script. They struggled early in the year and had to pass a lot more to get back in games and were a mess in the red zone. Being behind = having to pass more.

Over the second part of the season, they have settled into more of a smash mouth football team. That also coincided with turning the ball over the less, fewer penalties, and making some smarter decisions. The defense has taken things to another level, and that has a lot to do with shutting down the run, getting into the backfield, and getting pressure on opposing QBs. They also have gotten better OL play. So that has led to the Pats getting out front and not needing to put the pedal to the metal offensively.

That was what I meant about having the training wheels on for awhile. As long as they are giving up hardly any points and scoring enough to be up a few scores, I doubt we will see scorched earth Bill trying to hit 50 each game (except against the Jets). We saw the chuck it 50 times Mac Jones against the Saints and that didn't end well.

So they will usually limit his attempts, they will be happy to settle for FGs, they won't need him to push the ball downfield or risk turning the ball over, and he doesn't run. So in the near term, he's a better NFL QB than fantasy QB.

As a side note, when Brady's fantasy numbers really started to take off, the defense started taking a step back. That could easily happen again as the defense has some guys getting older and/or in need of new deals. For example, I don't see them keeping JC Jackson unless they franchise him (he will likely want 5/$80M). McCourty and Hightower are winding down and the LB corps generally being bigger looks slow at times.

So if the defense starts to fall off and they bring in a top WR, then Jones will almost have to do more for them to win.

 
lardonastick said:
How confident are you that Hurts is a starting QB next year? 2023?

I'd also add that this is my QB3 spot, behind Lamar and Herbert.
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Obviously you don't need Jones, so good there.

Hard to say if Hurts is starting in two years, but I think he will start next year. It's possible that the Eagles look to snag a QB in the draft, but I'm not sure this year is the best class...I've read that it isn't. 

But that isn't the point on your team. I would have tried to get something more than Mac for Hurts though. No biggie.

 
Most wins by a rookie QB:

13 / DAL / 2016 / Dak

13 / PIT / 2004 / Big Ben

11 / LARM / 1985 / Dieter Brock (NOTE: CFL vet - not sure this is considered a rookie)

11 / BAL / 2008 / Flacco

11 / IND / 2012 / Luck

11 / ATL / 2008 / Matty Ice

11 / SEA / 2012 / Russ

10 / CHI / 2005 / Rex Grossman

9 / IND / 1988 / Chris Chandler

9 / CIN / 2011 / Andy Dalton

9 / BUF / 1973 / Joe Ferguson 

9 / WAS / 2012 / RG III

8 / NYJ / 2009 / Mark Sanchez

8 / NYJ / 2013 / Geno Smith. 

8 / TEN / 2006 / Vince Young

7 / STL / 2010 / Sam Bradford

7 / CAR / 1995 / Kerry Collins

7 / MIA / 1983 / Dan Marino

7 / MIA / 2012 / Ryan Tannehil

7 / PHI / 2016 / Carson Wentz

7 / NE / 2021 / Mac Jones

 
It's nice to have something to root for again. Road ahead looks bumpy so tough to imagine much more than 3-3 to end up 10-7. Fun team to watch now though. Couldn't say that last year.

 
greenmountaingoat said:
It's nice to have something to root for again. Road ahead looks bumpy so tough to imagine much more than 3-3 to end up 10-7. Fun team to watch now though. Couldn't say that last year.
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I don't think they will trouble against TEN at home without Henry and Jones. Split with BUF. They should beat IND / JAC / MIA if healthy. They could end up 12-5 and win the division. Even getting the only bye is possible (although not likely).

 
lardonastick said:
How confident are you that Hurts is a starting QB next year? 2023?

I'd also add that this is my QB3 spot, behind Lamar and Herbert.
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Just one Guy’s opinion, even as a Big Mac fan I’d rather have hurts if it’s my qb3. If it’s my #2 in SF I’d gladly take Jones. 

 
greenmountaingoat said:
It's nice to have something to root for again. Road ahead looks bumpy so tough to imagine much more than 3-3 to end up 10-7. Fun team to watch now though. Couldn't say that last year.
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Are you a Patriots fan? Yeah, I really feel for you. That season you spent in the wilderness must have been tough. Thank goodness you have some optimism back after that entire year you spent not feeling great about your team...  😉

 
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JohnnyU said:
No doubt he will be / is a good qb, the question will be whether he's a good fantasy qb.  
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100% sure he will be...fortunately due to having a high quality D Jones can be developed just like Brady...keep it simple for now and as he gains more experience and better weapons he will become the focus of the offense as the Pats go back to throwing more...I think the smart play dynasty-wise (especially in SF and two QB formats) is to grab him now when he he is affordable because in 2-3 years he will end up being a perennial top 10 fantasy QB.

 
Unbelievable that NE just sat patiently in the draft and this kid just fell in their lap, especially with so many teams needing a QB. He looks the perfect Brady successor out there so far.

 
King of the Jungle said:
Unbelievable that NE just sat patiently in the draft and this kid just fell in their lap, especially with so many teams needing a QB. He looks the perfect Brady successor out there so far.
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The big mystery would have been if not Mac, then what? They rolled the dice that no one would trade up to take Jones. I don't want to know what another season of Cam / Stidham / Hoyer would have looked like, as there weren't really any free agents to pick from.

 
So, how many QBs went from starting for a NCAA championship to a Super Bowl as a starter the next year? 
 

:tumbleweed:

 
Mac Jones completed 23-of-32 passes for 310 yards and two touchdowns in the Patriots' 36-13, Week 12 win over the Titans. 

Coming off a trio of quieter affairs where the Pats were able to ratchet up their rushing attack against non-competitive opponents, Jones finally got some passing volume and turned it into a season-high 310 yards and his fifth multi-score start. Both of Jones' touchdowns went to Kendrick Bourne, with the first being an end zone dime over Kevin Byard and the second a 41-yarder where Bourne took a short target and turned it into a winding sideline affair. Jones was not perfect, missing what should have been a 26-yard touchdown to a free-and-clear Hunter Henry late in the first half, but he avoided turnovers against a severely-undermanned team. Although he is doing everything the Patriots could hope for in "real life," Jones continues to provide a modest fantasy floor without much ceiling headed into a tough road date with the Bills. 

- NBC SportsEDGE
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King of the Jungle said:
Unbelievable that NE just sat patiently in the draft and this kid just fell in their lap, especially with so many teams needing a QB. He looks the perfect Brady successor out there so far.
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I guess Im tooting my own horn here but whatever... I told anyone who would listen that Mac Jones would be the best QB of this class. Still a few years away from this being true but I still like my odds. 

 
The level that Mac Jones is playing at for a rookie is shocking to say the least. I had doubts but am now a believer.    Some QBs just know how to play the position.   Jones looks like a Brady/Kurt Warner type of QB.  Reads defenses like a vet and knows where to go with the football.

Jones lookes to be the SOD so far.

 
Da Guru said:
The level that Mac Jones is playing at for a rookie is shocking to say the least. I had doubts but am now a believer.    Some QBs just know how to play the position.   Jones looks like a Brady/Kurt Warner type of QB.  Reads defenses like a vet and knows where to go with the football.

Jones lookes to be the SOD so far.
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Panthers should fire everyone for this egregious offense of passing on all of these QB's. 

Hope Rhule is gone- I hate clowns in coaching positions and he's one of them.

 
TampaMike19 said:
Panthers should fire everyone for this egregious offense of passing on all of these QB's. 

Hope Rhule is gone- I hate clowns in coaching positions and he's one of them.
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At least they guaranteed Darnold almost $19 million for next year. So they’ll at least have him as a signal caller. 

 
Mac Jones completed 2-of-3 passes for 19 yards in the Patriots' 14-10, Week 13 win over the Bills Monday night.

Jones "rushed" four times for one yard, officially registering more rushing attempts than passes, as the Patriots called a total of 46 run plays to just three passes to outlast the Bills on a cold, blustery night in western New York. At one point, New England had dialed up 31 straight runs. And the Bills didn't have an answer until late in the second half. New England rushed for 222 yards to Jones' 19 via the air. Jones had probably never played in such weather conditions growing up in Florida and playing his college ball in the SEC at Alabama. Jones has the Patriots winners of seven straight and head into their bye as the AFC's No. 1 seed. The Patriots will go to Indianapolis in Week 15 where Jones will be a mid-to-low fantasy QB2.

Dec 6, 2021, 11:13 PM ET
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An AFC executive told PFF's Doug Kyed that Mac Jones' arm strength was an issue for the rookie in 2021. 

“He’s cerebral, but his arm is weak, which will hurt him in that division in cold-weather games,” the anonymous executive told PFF. "Good rookie year but needs a lot of things around him." Several of Jones' throws to the boundary in the Patriots' Wild Card loss to Buffalo were noticeably weak, allowing Bills defenders to close in on New England pass catchers. Kyed mentioned that Jones' arm strength was a concern headed into the 2021 NFL Draft, and a primary reason he fell behind prospects like Trey Lance and Justin Fields. Jones, by far PFF's highest graded rookie quarterback in 2021, helped lead his team to a postseason berth in an offense predicated on the run game. Despite the arm strength issues, he has a clear path to being New England's long-term starter. In the right system, QBs lacking a howitzer for a throwing arm can have sustained success in the league. 

SOURCE: PFF.com 

Jan 19, 2022, 12:53 PM ET
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MAC JONES QB, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

The Athletic's Jeff Howe reports Patriots coaches are "ecstatic" about Mac Jones' offseason dedication. 

Howe said Jones, entering his second season under center for New England, "has spent long hours at Gillette Stadium, often beating the coaching staff into the building to get a jump-start on film study for the day." Jones, per Howe, is "taking ownership of the offense, willing to vouch for plays and concepts that he likes and pump the brakes on the stuff that hasn’t worked." It's nothing but good vibes coming out of Patriots camp about what could be their long-term Tom Brady replacement, though failed Giants head coach Joe Judge working with the team's quarterbacks might raise questions about the team's nurturing of Jones. He proved a capable caretaker of the Pats' run-first offense in 2021, finishing his rookie year with the league's eighth highest completion rate over expected. Jones in 2022 will continue as a floor option for fantasy purposes. He was QB19 in 2021. 

SOURCE: The Athletic 

May 20, 2022, 11:15 AM ET
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I probably have no justification for this, but why do I feel Jones will be a better NFL QB than a fantasy QB?

 
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JohnnyU said:
I probably have no justification for this, but why do I feel Jones will be a better NFL QB than a fantasy QB?
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I think we all feel this way. The rushing upside is very low and the team TDs will likely always skew RB. I think he gets a slight bump in 6pt throwing. 

I'm a teeny bit less worried about their ability to score TDs than I was a week ago. Mason-Strange is ??, losing McDaniels but maybe BB has some stuff up his sleeve. Most of the key pieces on offense are getting their second year together and (shudders) Jonnu Smith caught some balls. Parker isn't some massive upgrade but he might keep some of the RZ coverage off of Henry given that teams knew he was the only guy they could target down there.

 
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports an NFL offensive coach said Mac Jones was "way too protected" in the Patriots offense in 2021. 

Anonymous coaches and league executives were mostly in agreement that Jones -- who served as a game manager in New England's return to the postseason last year -- is the best quarterback from the 2021 draft class. The offensive coach criticized the Patriots for not letting Jones "push the ball at all" in his rookie campaign. Indeed, only 11.3 percent of Jones' 2021 attempts were more than 20 yards downfield, one of the lowest deep ball rates in the league (Jones struggled with downfield throws, completing just 38 percent of those attempts for four touchdowns and five picks). New England was hyper conservative throughout the 2021 season, posting the sixth lowest pass rate over expected and ranking as one of the NFL's most conservative teams in the red zone. It's highly unlikely that Jones will be cut loose as a passer in 2022 with failed Giants head coach Joe Judge in charge of the team's passing offense. 

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Jun 20, 2022, 11:19 AM ET
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The WR depth chart is just so 🤢...

Combine that with a Judge/Patricia combo on that side of the ball, these are not areas of the NFL that serve as the building blocks of an explosive fantasy team.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
The WR depth chart is just so 🤢...

Combine that with a Judge/Patricia combo on that side of the ball, these are not areas of the NFL that serve as the building blocks of an explosive fantasy team.
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I don't think Mac will be a great fantasy asset this year, but the last time NE did not have an OC was 2010, when they did not have a single receiver with 850 receiving yards. Yet they went 14-2, scored 518 points, and Brady threw 37 TD.

Are the 2022 receiving options (Bourne, Parker, Meyers, Agholor, Thornton, Henry, Smith, White) worse than the guys they had in 2010 (Welker post-ACL surgery, Deion Branch, Brandon Tate, rookies Gronk and Hernandez, Woodhead)? Certainly, Jones (at 24) isn't Brady (who was 33). I don't think it would be crazy if Jones put up middle of the road QB2 numbers (he was QB19 last year). I don't think the NE defense will be as good, meaning NE stands a decent chance of having to pass more in 2022.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't think Mac will be a great fantasy asset this year, but the last time NE did not have an OC was 2010, when they did not have a single receiver with 850 receiving yards. Yet they went 14-2, scored 518 points, and Brady threw 37 TD.

Are the 2022 receiving options (Bourne, Parker, Meyers, Agholor, Thornton, Henry, Smith, White) worse than the guys they had in 2010 (Welker post-ACL surgery, Deion Branch, Brandon Tate, rookies Gronk and Hernandez, Woodhead)? Certainly, Jones (at 24) isn't Brady (who was 33). I don't think it would be crazy if Jones put up middle of the road QB2 numbers (he was QB19 last year). I don't think the NE defense will be as good, meaning NE stands a decent chance of having to pass more in 2022.
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Brady won the MVP that year.  Unanimously.

 
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