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Bobby Trees stock going up even higher next year.
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QB Matt Stafford, LAR (2 Viewers)
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kittenmittens
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I think it was pretty close to what I said. A little more than a single first.
People are spinning this as if they got Goff and 2 1sts for Stafford. With Goffs contract the Rams had to pay more to Detroit to take him.
It was a bit more return than I thought though, as I'd say maybe half of the second 1st covered the Goff contract... But not that far off.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Those future 1sts are worth MUCH more than current 2nds for a team like Detroit right now
Its ammo to go get their guy maybe next year or even the year after.
And there is certainly no guarantee the Rams get them back two super late 1sts. Anything can happen.
Personally (without knowing what other teams were offering) I would be very happy to have made this deal if I were a Lions fan.
As for Parcells, when your job is on the line, you would prefer the help now rather than later, hence his valuations. Those are not true valuations though
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ghostguy123
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Odds one of the teams backs out before its official??
Just one league execs opinion:
@JosinaAnderson
League source gives opinion on #Lions decision to take the #Rams deal for Matthew Stafford: "The Rams were screwed with a bad contract on (Jared) Goff and the #Lions helped them and don't even get a good pick this year. The Washington offer was better.
@JosinaAnderson·
League source continues on #Lions/ #Rams Stafford deal: "Detroit would be better not taking on (Jared) Goff. They are in rebuild now (mode) with an expensive quarterback, who won't be there when they are rebuilt."
And below from Peter Schrager, no idea what those other offers, that exec that Josina quoted said the WAS offer was better but that's his opinion but this certainly sounds below to me like trading Stafford were he wanted to go instead of maximizing the trade was a factor.
@PSchrags
More details trickling in... Stafford wanted to play for McVay and be in LA. Lions did him right in the end. There were other offers. Very good ones, too. Detroit and Rams front offices both knew that this was the trade that made all parties happiest— teams, player, coach.
@JosinaAnderson
League source gives opinion on #Lions decision to take the #Rams deal for Matthew Stafford: "The Rams were screwed with a bad contract on (Jared) Goff and the #Lions helped them and don't even get a good pick this year. The Washington offer was better.
@JosinaAnderson·
League source continues on #Lions/ #Rams Stafford deal: "Detroit would be better not taking on (Jared) Goff. They are in rebuild now (mode) with an expensive quarterback, who won't be there when they are rebuilt."
And below from Peter Schrager, no idea what those other offers, that exec that Josina quoted said the WAS offer was better but that's his opinion but this certainly sounds below to me like trading Stafford were he wanted to go instead of maximizing the trade was a factor.
@PSchrags
More details trickling in... Stafford wanted to play for McVay and be in LA. Lions did him right in the end. There were other offers. Very good ones, too. Detroit and Rams front offices both knew that this was the trade that made all parties happiest— teams, player, coach.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Is there no value to the franchise when you actually have a good break up with the guy who was the face of your franchise for the past decade?
I would love to know the other offers though.
But again, the lack of picks in this draft to me is irrelevant in an obvious rebuild.
I would love to know the other offers though.
But again, the lack of picks in this draft to me is irrelevant in an obvious rebuild.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
For anyone who doesnt think Detroit made a good move, just curious, what do those 2022 and 2023 1st round picks need to be for you to consider this a good trade for them?
Thinking your future 1sts will be both be late is one of the many reasons Bill O’Brien got himself fired. A lot can happen to a team in two seasons.
To me this was LA paying a 1st and 3rd for Stafford, and another 1st for Detroit to eat Goff’s contract. Osweiler’s contract was about half that cost and took a 2nd to offload, a 1st fits for Goff IMO.
By not getting picks this year though that pushes the Lions rebuild back at least another year, so IMO big arrow pointing down for Swift and Hockenson. Having that much cash tied up in Goff probably means Golladay is almost certainly signing somewhere else now.
To me this was LA paying a 1st and 3rd for Stafford, and another 1st for Detroit to eat Goff’s contract. Osweiler’s contract was about half that cost and took a 2nd to offload, a 1st fits for Goff IMO.
By not getting picks this year though that pushes the Lions rebuild back at least another year, so IMO big arrow pointing down for Swift and Hockenson. Having that much cash tied up in Goff probably means Golladay is almost certainly signing somewhere else now.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Shawnky
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Shawnky
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The Future Champs
Footballguy
I like it for both teams, and Stafford.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Maybe, but right now I don't see much difference among the top QBs other than Lawrence (whom I assume is off the market) If they do, then they probably do trade up.
That's a tough division, but they're definitely among the top teams in the NFC now.
With all due respect to Calvin, this should easily be the best offense Stafford has led.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Unless the Rams trade other picks/players for one in the next 2 years, they will go SEVEN straight years without making a 1st round pick.
That’s insane. 7 years without a 1st round pick and giving out those huge contracts to Gurley and Goff before cutting both just a couple of years later...how do Snead and McVay still have jobs? I guess making it to the Super Bowl buys you a lot of leeway.
That’s insane. 7 years without a 1st round pick and giving out those huge contracts to Gurley and Goff before cutting both just a couple of years later...how do Snead and McVay still have jobs? I guess making it to the Super Bowl buys you a lot of leeway.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Right, the compensation of this trade was more than partially driven by the Rams cap management.
Dr. Octopus
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Tau837
Footballguy
How do they still have jobs? The Rams went 4-12 in 2016 and had not had a winning record since 2003 -- 14 seasons earlier. Then Snead and McVay took over. Since then:
- 2017 - 11-5, playoffs, lost in WC round
- 2018 - 12-4, playoffs, lost in Super Bowl
- 2019 - 9-7, no playoffs
- 2020 - 10-6, playoffs, lost in division round
- Overall - 42-22 regular season, 3-3 postseason
Tau837
Footballguy
Just read the past couple pages of the thread since the trade. I haven't seen many people actually comment on Stafford himself and how good he is at this point. It seems that many are assuming that he is better than I think he is. Sure, he's better than Goff, but Goff is in the bottom third of NFL QBs, so that isn't saying much.
Are people really that high on Stafford, or is it the expectation that McVay will elevate his game significantly at age 33?
Are people really that high on Stafford, or is it the expectation that McVay will elevate his game significantly at age 33?
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
From Dustin Baker on Twitter:
Matthew Stafford v. Jared Goff, Last 50 Starts:
Stafford-- 13,401 Pass Yds 79 Pass TDs 32 INT 65.1% Comp 94.7 Passer Rating 2 Rush TDs 15 Fumbles Lost
Goff-- 13,898 Pass Yds 82 Pass TDs 42 INT 64.7% Comp 93.1 Passer Rating 8 Rush TDs 16 Fumbles Lost
Matthew Stafford v. Jared Goff, Last 50 Starts:
Stafford-- 13,401 Pass Yds 79 Pass TDs 32 INT 65.1% Comp 94.7 Passer Rating 2 Rush TDs 15 Fumbles Lost
Goff-- 13,898 Pass Yds 82 Pass TDs 42 INT 64.7% Comp 93.1 Passer Rating 8 Rush TDs 16 Fumbles Lost
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matuski
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Just so happy for Stafford. Finally a Lion great gets to leave and show what he can do in a real franchise.
Personally, I've tagged along as a Lions fan since Barry was drafted, then Calvin, and Stafford. This presents an amazing opportunity to tag along with Stafford and escape watching Detroit throw Goff and those draft picks down the drain over the next few years.
Hello Rams!
Personally, I've tagged along as a Lions fan since Barry was drafted, then Calvin, and Stafford. This presents an amazing opportunity to tag along with Stafford and escape watching Detroit throw Goff and those draft picks down the drain over the next few years.
Hello Rams!
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think it is as simple as the Rams have been successful despite poor qb play. Stafford is not a poor qb.
matuski
Footballguy
I think like every Lion (even Barry and Calvin) - Stafford is sorely underrated.
Yes - I think McVay will show us what Stafford can do on a winning team.
Boston
Footballguy
I interesting deal, I see what both teams are doing...for Detroit you get two #1's and a #3 which is a nice haul for a 33 year old QB...they also get Goff (and his contract) who may be a better fit in their new system but is more likely a bridge QB...if they are eying a QB like Lance then having Goff for two years makes sense....as for the Rams it is Super Bowl or bust and they obviously felt Goff was not the QB they could do it with and they really did not have too many options on how they could upgrade so getting Stafford was their best opportunity...the Rams are very unconventional with their roster building but it does appear to be working as they have been one of the better teams since McVay took over and this deal should make them even better, at least for a few years.
The real intriguing part for me is how does Stafford do here...no doubt he is a talented QB and has put up some nice career numbers but he has never really played under the microscope like he most certainly will be under now...anything short of a Super Bowl will be viewed as disappointing and that is a lot of pressure...this move will definitely weigh very heavily on his legacy...if he goes to LA and lights it up and wins a ring he will be looked at much differently then he is now and it will be easy to give him a pass on the wins and losses in Detroit...yet, if he goes to LA and is just OK and he doesn't help them get closer to a ring he will end up being one of those guys viewed as having a lot of empty calories (I heard that term on the radio this week) in his career.
The real intriguing part for me is how does Stafford do here...no doubt he is a talented QB and has put up some nice career numbers but he has never really played under the microscope like he most certainly will be under now...anything short of a Super Bowl will be viewed as disappointing and that is a lot of pressure...this move will definitely weigh very heavily on his legacy...if he goes to LA and lights it up and wins a ring he will be looked at much differently then he is now and it will be easy to give him a pass on the wins and losses in Detroit...yet, if he goes to LA and is just OK and he doesn't help them get closer to a ring he will end up being one of those guys viewed as having a lot of empty calories (I heard that term on the radio this week) in his career.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I have Stafford in one league. This news neither excites me nor disappoints me really. For fantasy he’ll continue to be a decent stopgap QB for emergency use. He won’t win or lose you games really.
I think Stafford is a very good, not great and far from elite NFL QB. I think it came down to McVey really wanting Goff gone. I do think Stafford improves that offense if he stays healthy though.
kittenmittens
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Rapoport
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To understand the value of what the #Lions received for Matthew Stafford: Detroit had a 2021 1st rounder on the table from a few teams. They chose to take on Jared Goff & his guaranteed money, plus two future 1st rounders, instead. Stafford wanting to be in LA helped spur things.
@RapSheet
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10m
To understand the value of what the #Lions received for Matthew Stafford: Detroit had a 2021 1st rounder on the table from a few teams. They chose to take on Jared Goff & his guaranteed money, plus two future 1st rounders, instead. Stafford wanting to be in LA helped spur things.
Foosball God
Foos
Love this deal for Detroit, Rams need to win now but this could end up being a win/win for both teams.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Wow! Seeing it like that puts it in perspective. Thank you!
For Stafford to have achieved very similar numbers to Goff while playing for a bad team with Patty cake as coach - makes you drool to imagine what he might be capable of in LA with McVay and all that talent. 50% more? 75%? To the moon Stafford!
Tau837
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Bracie Smathers
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Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
Rams salary cap figures for 2021 ...
- DT Aaron Donald: $27.892M
- CB Jalen Ramsey: $22.5M
- QB Matthew Stafford: $20.0M
- WR Cooper Kupp: $14.5M
- WR Robert Woods: $13.875M
- LT Andrew Whitworth: $11.167M
Rams will have to keep hitting on middle-rounders.
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Rams’ first-round picks:
- 2017: Rams traded this first-round pick as part of the package to move up and draft Goff in 2016.
- 2018: Rams traded this first-round pick to acquire receiver Brandin Cooks from New England.
- 2019: Rams traded this first-round pick to move down and acquire second- and third-round picks from Atlanta.
- 2020: Rams traded this first-round pick for Jalen Ramsey.
- 2021: Rams traded this first-round pick for Jalen Ramsey.
- 2022: Rams traded this first-round pick for Matthew Stafford.
- 2023: Rams traded this first-round pick for Matthew Stafford.
robb
Footballguy
What do you see his value in a Dynasty League now? He still has Kupp & Woods in front of him in 2021.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Reports are that Stafford would have been open to going anywhere other than New England 
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-patriots-were-only-team-on-matt-staffords-notrade-list-lions-185002532.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-patriots-were-only-team-on-matt-staffords-notrade-list-lions-185002532.html
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Anywhere but the Pats. Worth a chuckle. What a reversal that has been in such a short time.
The more I think about this trade, the more I like it for Detroit. Those two future 1sts are better than some mid 1st this year, even with the Goff contract.
If they really did get 1st round value, even a 2023 1st, for taking Goff that is well worth it to me. Absorbing his contract isnt going to be affecting them in 2023 when ideally they will be looking to compete. That is a perfect trade scenario because it greatly helps both teams for what they are looking to do.
Plus, as I mentioned before, there is ALWAYS the possibility that one or even both of those Rams 1st round picks could be high picks. The NFL is crazy like that.
The more I think about this trade, the more I like it for Detroit. Those two future 1sts are better than some mid 1st this year, even with the Goff contract.
If they really did get 1st round value, even a 2023 1st, for taking Goff that is well worth it to me. Absorbing his contract isnt going to be affecting them in 2023 when ideally they will be looking to compete. That is a perfect trade scenario because it greatly helps both teams for what they are looking to do.
Plus, as I mentioned before, there is ALWAYS the possibility that one or even both of those Rams 1st round picks could be high picks. The NFL is crazy like that.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Solid point, but they will be #1 picks which carry an extra year of team control. Biggest difference between a late 1 and an early 2.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Of course.
However, pretty sure injuries happen quite a bit in the NFL.
The trade was good even if both 1sts end up in the early-mid 20s.
The trade was bonkers good if the Rams get hammered with injuries or stars who want traded or whatever.
matuski
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I know it's fantasy and not NFL, but FantasyPros dynasty rankings has 33 year old Stafford at #15 and 26 year old Goff at #18.
Randy Mueller, ex GM, wrote an article about a month ago listing his top 10 QB's he'd like to have over next 5 years and I recall he eliminated any QB over 33 from consideration, thought I don't think he should have as I'm sure most teams would take Rodgers over some of the other QB's he listed even if was over a 5 year period.
He did include Trevor in the list and fwiw he put Stafford at 9. I suspect if you polled most GM's that's close to the range, maybe a tad on the high side but not wildly far off. My guess is Stafford is the kind of player that teams are higher on then most fans, can make every throw, not a statue, tough and if you are factoring in contract that's another plus.
This is part of why trades are so interesting. Fantasy people and fans in general are not gaga over Stafford, a lot of us don't see him as a game changer, clutch, someone capable of raising up his team. But you start to dial down some of his numbers and it's kind of impressive, like the 4th quarter comebacks and career passing yardage and I think most agree he's never lacked big time arm talent. Now he's left one of the mos woeful franchise in history and got dropped on a playoff team with a defense that can carry him to some extent. Can't wait to find out if what's closer to the truth, the way most fans regard him or the way a lot of teams do.
