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QB Matt Stafford, LAR (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Dr. Awesome
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I would think the best trade offer wins easily if it is just a respect situation. I am wondering whether he has any leverage based on contract.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I'll admit I rarely ever watch the Lions, at least since Calvin walked away. Does Stafford really still have it? I know he's had back issues, but has he been "fully healthy" anytime this past year? If so can he still rip it as well as he used to?
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TartanLion
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He’s had his fair share of knocks and injuries the last couple of years but he’s generally durable as hell, and his arm has lost absolutely none of its strength. I think in the last 2-3 years he’s kind of matured as well in the mental aspects of the game. Barring any further major injury, I think a team would be getting 3-4 good years out of him
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
I'd like to see him head to the Colts where he has a shot at winning
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I think its fair to say both Colts and Washington make sense. Washington's defense is legit. Gibson, McLaurin, and Logan Thomas are very promising talented young players. If they find another gem at WR in this draft or get a FA (very likely) its very likely he wins in DC as much as he'd win in Indy IMO. Plus Washington's division is way worse
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Colts would be the best fit, but not the only one.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Also, the path to the Super Bowl will be much easier in the NFC next year than the AFC. Brees gone, Rams held back by their QB, Seattle can’t figure out what type of team they want to be. The biggest challenges are the Packers and Tampa with Tom a year older.
Besides the much tougher division with the Colts, you have to go though a murderer’s row to get out of the AFC into the Super Bowl.
Wingnut
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
Really could turn a lot of teams into a top contender. Personally, I'd like to see what he could do in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Right. Forgot the Niners, although they have a QB problem themselves and play in a much tougher division than the NFC East. But the point remains that none of these teams present a tougher path than what he would have to go through with the Colts to come out of the AFC.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Love the Saints fit personally.
Taysom Hill proved to be a decent fill in. But what he also proved IMO he's definitely not the long term answer.
Taysom Hill proved to be a decent fill in. But what he also proved IMO he's definitely not the long term answer.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hill would be a great backup. He could be used on a few plays per game and not just take up a space on the bench.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If Alex Smith really wants to keep playing, Washington should trade him and a 2nd for Stafford.
Then Detroit can have a veteran mentor for whichever QB they select in the draft.
Then Detroit can have a veteran mentor for whichever QB they select in the draft.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I just don't think you're getting a 1st for a 32 year old QB with a recent injury history.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Maybe other years, but there is a lot of competition this year. And if Watson and Rodgers stay where they are that moves the relative value even higher.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I can't see Smith doing that. He'd just retire. Probably will anyway. Stafford is worth a mid to late first+ at minimum. Washington's first rounder would make a lot of sense.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If they mange to get a first for him I won't just be surprised, I'll be shocked.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
As a Skins fan I would be all over this deal. For as great a story as Alex Smith was, by the end of the season he was completely done. He was supremely comprised in play down the stretch. He is simply not someone you can depend on to play anywhere close to a 16 game season with his current health. As a mentor for a QB you guys draft he would be great. I just don’t see Detroit wanting a QB coach/mentor with a 20 mil cap hit.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
There are enough playoff (or near playoff) teams needing an upgrade that the market for him will dictate it. The recent success of older QBs will boost his value as well. There will be a lot of demand. It’s indicative of the sorry state of the QB position more than anything else honestly.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well maybe that's how it works in a Wash/Det deal - you get a first but you HAVE to take Smith and his $20m contract.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Interesting. Washington did give up just a 3rd rounder for Smith back in the day.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
They actually gave up a 3rd rounder and Kendall Fuller, who was a promising young slot corner at the time (and a 3rd Rd. pick in 2016). They liked him so much that The Skins resigned up last offseason. A 3rd and Fuller honestly felt like an overpay at the time for a lot of Skins fans (as many were big fans of Fuller). But I also think Smith was generally just seen as a lot less desirable than Stafford is now. Call it fantasy football bias or whatever, but Smith definitely never had the same appeal.
The Chiefs were also looking to move on from him to pass the torch to Mahomes, so maybe they weren’t holding out for much comp wise. I think this time around it’s different with Stafford, as the Lions publicly put him on the trade block and the demand for good QBs is very high.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I tend to agree Stafford feels like a much more impactful player than Smith at those points in their careers.
Foosball God
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BroncoFreak_2K3
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This Stafford situation has Elway and the Broncos all over it.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
This.
I'd understand being shocked if he had a horrible contract along with terrible recent player. But neither is the case.
He'd be a monumental upgrade a ton of places (Denver/Indy/Wash/Chicago/New Orleans/SF/Giants). I'd throw MN and Dallas in there depending on what happens with their QB situations. There's a lot of teams there that'd become playoff teams and/or contenders in 2021-22 with Matthew Stafford as their QB.
I left off the Jets/Patriots/Atlanta as both are a long long ways from competing IMO. I think Matt Ryan could wind up on the market as well
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Lions did a real smart thing saying right away that Stafford's available IMO. Get the ball rolling (hopefully) before the other future QB situations develop around the league.
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facook
Footballguy
WFT should trade for Stafford and sign Allen Robinson or Golladay. They would be a PROBLEM in the NFC in that scenario, for he next couple of years.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
I agree with this post. The only caveat being that there has been some chatter that he would want a reworked deal wherever he gets traded. So the “affordable contract” issue might be a non starter. It’s not that surprising given the circumstances. And any team dealing for him will probably want to lock him up beyond two years anyway considering the draft capital they are going to give up to acquire him.
Bradford went for a 1st (29 and recent injury history) in a MUCH less qb-needy market. And Stafford is better.
I see a 1st happening, but obviously depends on which team takes him (Prob can't see a team like Denver giving up a top 10 pick).
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Not necessarily. The Vikings felt they were competing for a Super Bowl berth and Bridgewater tore his knee up - that inflated Bradford's value.
Yes, I agree. It skyrocketed Bradford's value to about what Stafford's will be at now. I think he goes for a 1st if its to a team outside the top 20.... maybe a 2022 1st if it's a team with a high pick this year.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
This is where it gets interesting as it might come down to if Detroit values a 1st this year more than a future first. As you stated, teams like Denver are most likely not going to give up a top 10 pick for him, but I imagine might consider a future 1st. As a Skins fan I think they will gladly give up the #19 for him (especially considering their recent hire of the guy who drafted him as their GM). So it could come down to if Detroit wants to roll the dice that they could get a higher pick next year by taking a future pick.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
If the Lions can't get at least a first round pick for Stafford then they won't trade him. Plain and simple.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
I think they’ll get a 1st, so this is a probably a moot point. But they are clearly trading him, no matter what they end up getting. Once they set the wheels in motion by so publicly putting him on the market, and the rationale that it’s a mutual decision on both parties, they would look like absolute fools if he is still on the roster next year.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I agree they'll get >= 1st but disagree on the other point.
Green Bay looked like absolute fools last year drafting Jordan Love. They did just fine even amidst all the initial distraction.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
What’s the rationale for Detroit keeping him then? They are clearly in rebuild mode. Say hypothetically, the best offer they get is a 2nd and a 3rd. You honestly think Detroit wouldn’t accept that, and instead bring Stafford back and make a run at the division? What are they going to do, hold onto him for another year and hope to deal him when he’s a year older? It makes no sense. The die has been cast. He’s gone one way or another. It’s the right thing for both parties at this point.
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foxco
Footballguy
Think I disagree. They've gone too far publicly on this to back out now. Fascinating situation.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Die is never cast until there's a deal. I wouldn't just dump him for a 2nd and definitely not a 3rd. That's just not market value, so equally foolish doing a below market deal as going public with trade intentions.
Stafford's contract is very favorable and of course a proven commodity. The team still needs to put fans in the seats. Lions wouldn't need to spend as much draft capital on a new guy and can give him more time to develop. Stafford not ecstatic about it but he knows what he's worth and knows it's a business.
Again, this is all hypothetical.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
I said a 2nd AND a 3rd, and I highly doubt the Lions would turn that deal down if that was the best offer that came in for him. Market value is what someone is willing to pay for him. You really think if Detroit was offered a 2nd and a 3rd they would turn around and tell Stafford he has to come back and play for them after both parties agreed to move on? They are a rebuilding team. They aren’t going to pass up significant draft capital for the prospect of “Putting fans in the seats” (if fans even going to be in seats next season). If you’re a Lions fan, you are surely one of the very few who think there is a chance he’s back in a Lions uniform next season.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Ah. 2nd and 3rd is different. Missed that so thanks for clarifying. Yes I agree that would be decent enough value to pull the trigger.
As a Lions fan I'd be disappointed in that deal the same way as I was in Quinn for not trading being able to trade back in the first round in 2020's draft. But still a net gain so do it.
**BTW, I knew the "market is the market" comment was coming. But shopping a QB to 5-6 teams is hardly selling into a liquid market. Therefore prices at any given time are not necessarily indicative of true FMV. So it is very possible that the value to the Lions keeping Stafford is greater than the price offered by a very limited number of potential buyers who have different situations.
I think Stafford is worth at least a 1st round pick, such as the Broncos 9th pick or the Patriots 15th pick. The success rate on QBs in the first round is not that high - Darnold, Trubisky, Wentz, Lock, Rosen, Mariota, Winston, Haskin - Stafford is better than them. Assuming Stafford would be signed for more than 2 years, perhaps based on his first year returns. McDaniels can coach pocket QBs and Denver has good weapons at WR.Stoneworker said:
