TampaMike19
Footballguy
Still think it's too soon to call it a franchise crippler. Next year is make or break with a new regime / coach / team mindset hopefully.
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QB Russell Wilson, NYG (1 Viewer)
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Gregg Rosenthal
@greggrosenthal
The Broncos don't *have* to keep Russell Wilson. There is a strong case to cut him with a post June-1 designation, swallow your cap medicine and move on.
I'd expect some coaching candidates to make that case.
@greggrosenthal@greggrosenthal
Broncos are retaining GM George Paton, who made the Russ trade. That makes a release less likely. But if the Falcons can eat $40 million dead cap to trade Matt Ryan, the Broncos can eat Wilson's guarantees.
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Brad Moen-Hamm
@moen_brad
According to http://Overthecap.com, Wilson’s dead cap hit for 2023 would be $107,000,000 for pre June-1st cut but only $39 mil for a post June-1st cup.
Could you explain the reason for this? I don’t really understand.
overthecap.com
Over The Cap
NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, And Related News And Analysis
@greggrosenthal
The Broncos don't *have* to keep Russell Wilson. There is a strong case to cut him with a post June-1 designation, swallow your cap medicine and move on.
I'd expect some coaching candidates to make that case.
@greggrosenthal@greggrosenthal
Broncos are retaining GM George Paton, who made the Russ trade. That makes a release less likely. But if the Falcons can eat $40 million dead cap to trade Matt Ryan, the Broncos can eat Wilson's guarantees.
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Brad Moen-Hamm
@moen_brad
According to http://Overthecap.com, Wilson’s dead cap hit for 2023 would be $107,000,000 for pre June-1st cut but only $39 mil for a post June-1st cup.
Could you explain the reason for this? I don’t really understand.
overthecap.com
Over The Cap
NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, And Related News And Analysis
Not happening. Not following what the strong case to cut him is. Yes he's been awful and this year has been a disaster but for what they gave up for him they're not going to give up on him without making at least one attempt to fix it with a different coach.
Deamon
Footballguy
This is unfortunately true.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I know they have the richest owners in the league now but does anyone have faith in a HC search that’s being led guided by Rice?
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I am not opposed to having Russ on the squad... but with that contract? No way!
I realize this is a fantasy but I'd support EITHER a huge renegotiating of that contract downward and without all that guaranteed money OR (ha!) cutting him, eating the cap hit and then bringing him back at perhaps $1M year or with most of the salary legitimate performance-based incentives.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
Assuming this is true (certainly the O-line are not fans of the man), this would cause me to change my last post. Get rid of him 100%.
do we have proof of this?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Tons of info out there from both ex and current players. Just google Russell Wilson teammates dislike him.
Russell Wilson Gets Blatantly Ignored By Teammates in Viral Video Prompting NFL Fans To React: “They Won’t Even Look At Him Bro”
NFL fans mock Russell Wilson once again after his latest video goes viral where his teammates appeared to be snubbing his high-fives.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I can't believe it. I started the year with Russell Wilson, dropped him like a lead balloon after 4-5 weeks in, and now picking him up to play him in a league where we go 18 weeks. I do have one roster pick up left though for this week. Is it Stidham my other choice.
zamboni
Footballguy
But how did he feel about his performance?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hey it’s
It could be worse
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Drake Hater
Footballguy
Will be interesting if something comes from this. Overstating charitable donations publicly while the books state otherwise isn't a good look.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Just another reason to hate the guy!
massraider
Footballguy
Director speaks out
Also this:
Lot of charities seem to do this. Most, actually.
This feels like a hit piece on Wilson
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Agreed completely. When I was in school I remember specifically talking about charities and there very low "rate at which donations were returned to the targeted population." I went away thinking this is something I will pay attention to when donating in the future. There were some organizations in the 90% and thought that will be where I donate moving forward. Now 90% is very high and an outlier. But to put no context behind the fact that 24.3% is around the average it screams hit piece.
massraider
Footballguy
This is logical thinking, and Benjamin Albright made this point as well.
But it's incorrect in the assumption that people will not steal what they don't need. See: Danny Snyder.
Rich people steal stuff they don't need. It certainly looks like Ciara and Russell had one of their assistants on the charity payroll.
Tau837
Footballguy
Absolutely a hit piece. The guy who did the "investigating" should be castigated for not knowing the part about partners accounting for contributions that the Wilson charity helped to generate. That is fundamental to the "story."
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Wilson should send 90% of his paycheck to Marshawn Lynch and the SEA Defense. Those are the guys that made them good. Wilson so overrated.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
How is it a hit piece? Facts are facts. By their own tax filings, they showed multiple years of only giving out around 25% of their money to charities. That by itself is borderline criminal, and no one should ever give to a charity that does that horribly.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Remind me again what the Seahawks record was with Lynch and the defense before Wilson arrived?
Here I will do it for you: Once Lynch arrived in Seattle in 2010, they went 12-16 before Wilson arrived.
They went 11-5 in the first season with Wilson as the starter.
The math is easy.
rockaction
Footballguy
Tarvaris Jackson was Seattle's QB before Wilson got there. He was...awful.
Lynch and the D had tons to do with Seattle's success, but let's not pretend Russell didn't play his own part.
Lynch and the D had tons to do with Seattle's success, but let's not pretend Russell didn't play his own part.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
I'm a Seahawk fanatic. I've watched all but 3 or 4 of their regular season and playoff games since 1976. As far as the reasons for their success during those Super Bowl seasons, I'd rank the defense #1 by a large margin, then Lynch but then Wilson a close 3rd.
He was key to those offenses back when he actually was quick and more mobile. I've felt for the past 5-6 years that he came into the season 15-20lbs overweight for what he needed to do from the QB position. He still is. When defenses didn't have to worry nearly as much about his running his production took a big downturn. Granted, part of that is he is getting older but if he comes into next season slimmer again you will see a major improvement from the past few. And I'm not talking about last season, which was an abomination and hopefully an aberration.
I'm rooting for him again now that Seattle no longer has Denver's 1st and 2nd round draft picks on the line. I hope he turns it around and think he just might, especially with the new coaching staff.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
They are 40-1 to win the Super Bowl.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
Glad to hear that. Clearly Vegas trusts Sean Payton and thinks Russell will bounce back.
And they have a great defense.
massraider
Footballguy
The Broncos gave Wilson an office at the team facility, a rare perk (Wilson did not have an office in Seattle and Heaps had only limited access to the Seahawks’ facility). Several Broncos veterans said they didn’t mind Wilson having his own office, especially because the quarterback spent so much time at the facility.
“He’s got a whiteboard, the sides of the wall, and it’s just littered with (motivational) quotes and new play concepts,” receiver Kendall Hinton said. “It was crazy to see his mind thrown out on the (wall).”
Running back Melvin Gordon said the TV in Wilson’s office was always tuned to NFL Network. “It was just strictly football,” Gordon said. “Anybody could go to his office, and he was like, ‘Hey, if you want to learn extra plays, you want to go over this, you want to go over that?'”
But from the outside, the existence of the office worked against Wilson when his on-field play failed to measure up. And the location of the office — on the facility’s second floor, where Broncos coaches and executives also worked — created an unusual team dynamic.
“The players were always on the first floor; they never really came up to the second floor,” one coach said. “If you came up to the second floor as a player, it honestly wasn’t a good thing because you were probably getting released.”
One offensive player said Wilson told teammates he had an “open-door policy” with his office, which to another coach seemed problematic. “So, are you a coach or are you a player?” the coach asked. “Your open door should be you sitting at your locker.”
massraider
Footballguy
Tuesdays are typically players’ only off days during game weeks, but Wilson asked the offense to meet with him at the team facility for “state of the union” meetings, something he also did in Seattle. Broncos guard Dalton Risner said Wilson had the offense “watch film on the next opponent and kind of come to an agreement on what they’re running … and what we can do to beat them.”
While some players grumbled about the meetings, several said they were helpful and well-attended. Risner said the meetings showed the “type of leader Russell is and what he’s willing to do for his team.”
Early in the season, without much Denver film to go on, Wilson occasionally showed clips from his time with the Seahawks. “It was kind of like he was going down memory lane with stuff he’d done in Seattle,” said one offensive player. “It was very strange some weeks.”
While some players grumbled about the meetings, several said they were helpful and well-attended. Risner said the meetings showed the “type of leader Russell is and what he’s willing to do for his team.”
Early in the season, without much Denver film to go on, Wilson occasionally showed clips from his time with the Seahawks. “It was kind of like he was going down memory lane with stuff he’d done in Seattle,” said one offensive player. “It was very strange some weeks.”
massraider
Footballguy
Russell Wilson=tool
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wow. This is all so damming.
massraider
Footballguy
Worse than I thought. Love it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s such a weird dude.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Weird dude. So glad the Eagles did not make a play for this loser.Tuesdays are typically players’ only off days during game weeks, but Wilson asked the offense to meet with him at the team facility for “state of the union” meetings, something he also did in Seattle. Broncos guard Dalton Risner said Wilson had the offense “watch film on the next opponent and kind of come to an agreement on what they’re running … and what we can do to beat them.”
While some players grumbled about the meetings, several said they were helpful and well-attended. Risner said the meetings showed the “type of leader Russell is and what he’s willing to do for his team.”
Early in the season, without much Denver film to go on, Wilson occasionally showed clips from his time with the Seahawks. “It was kind of like he was going down memory lane with stuff he’d done in Seattle,” said one offensive player. “It was very strange some weeks.”
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Give Carroll coach of the decade/century 
Loved seeing Payton's comment no Team Tree
in the building 
Loved seeing Payton's comment no Team Tree
in the building 
