QB Russell Wilson, NYG (5 Viewers)

[ImTheScientist]

Wilson is the 4th rookie QB to win a game against Bill Belichick while with the Pats, and first to lead a 4th quarter comeback

 

[Hooper31]

I don't really understand the question. Wilson is a much more talented runner than Brady, Brees, and Manning ever were. It seems natural to me that he would choose to run more than they did.

My question was in terms of pocket presence not speed when referencing Brady, Brees, and Manning. I'm asking this: Did all-pro QBs look skittish once upon a time like Wilson does when the rush is heavy. I sure know Luck doesn't look that way when the heat is bearing down on him. Is this a quality that one just has, or can it be learned?

No one should have been expecting him to be as quick or fast as Griffin or Vick, who are probably the two fastest QBs in NFL history. But Wilson seems pretty elusive to me... He looked pretty elusive on that 3rd down run where he eluded the entire defensive line and got the first down.

True. Mentioning Vick and Griffin wasn't necessary. I should have just stated that I don't think Wilson has anything more than average wheels. He shouldn't be mistaken for a "running" quarterback.

At N.C. State, Wilson often put the ball up downfield to give his WRs a chance to make plays. In fact, he did it so often that he was sometimes criticized for it. My guess is that the Seattle coaching staff is coaching him not to do it.

Agreed. Knowing the Seattle philosophy backwards and forwards now this is the top priority of the QB. Don't turn the ball over.

 

[Tau837]

I don't really understand the question. Wilson is a much more talented runner than Brady, Brees, and Manning ever were. It seems natural to me that he would choose to run more than they did.

My question was in terms of pocket presence not speed when referencing Brady, Brees, and Manning. I'm asking this: Did all-pro QBs look skittish once upon a time like Wilson does when the rush is heavy. I sure know Luck doesn't look that way when the heat is bearing down on him. Is this a quality that one just has, or can it be learned?

Well, you are setting a very high bar asking if Manning, Brady, or Brees - 3 future HOFers - looked this way. I assume there are QBs who have looked this way early on, especially if starting right out of the gate, who eventually improved in this area.Of course part of it is his confidence in his ability to make plays with his legs, whether running or throwing on the run. But I suspect one reason Wilson does this is due to his height, since getting out of the pocket opens up his view downfield.

No one should have been expecting him to be as quick or fast as Griffin or Vick, who are probably the two fastest QBs in NFL history. But Wilson seems pretty elusive to me... He looked pretty elusive on that 3rd down run where he eluded the entire defensive line and got the first down.

True. Mentioning Vick and Griffin wasn't necessary. I should have just stated that I don't think Wilson has anything more than average wheels. He shouldn't be mistaken for a "running" quarterback.

I think Wilson is faster than he looks. Griffin's combine time was 4.41, supposedly second fastest in history to Vick's 4.33. Wilson was the second fastest QB last year at 4.55. By comparison, Luck ran 4.67, and Newton ran 4.59 the year before. Wilson also posted the fastest short shuttle time for a QB at last year's combine, although Griffin didn't run it.

 

[Hooper31]

I think Wilson is faster than he looks. Griffin's combine time was 4.41, supposedly second fastest in history to Vick's 4.33. Wilson was the second fastest QB last year at 4.55. By comparison, Luck ran 4.67, and Newton ran 4.59 the year before. Wilson also posted the fastest short shuttle time for a QB at last year's combine, although Griffin didn't run it.

Perhaps there's track-fast, and then game-fast? For the moment he doesn't strike me as game-fast. I guess a larger sample size is needed before I draw a conclusion.

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson the 'right decision' by Seattle Seahawks

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

We noted a week ago that Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson put together his best overall game of the season against the Carolina Panthers. It's safe to say that's no longer his best game.

Wilson's performance Sunday in a 24-23 victory over the New England Patriots had its quiet moments in the middle of the game, but he made a huge number of plays in the first quarter and the final frame. Wilson's teammates believe it's a game that should change Seattle's approach.

"We can't go back to throwing the ball 15 times a game," Seahawks wide receiver Braylon Edwards told Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports. "It's a new NFL. You have to attack through the air. I mean, we can throw it and run it."

Tight end Evan Moore put it more simply: "(Wilson) can chuck the ball down the field."

Seattle will need to work on a mid-range passing game. Everything is a dump-off pass or a bomb. But Wilson undoubtedly throws a nice deep ball, and Sunday's effort should only help boost the confidence of those around him.

"That felt like a championship game. What (Wilson) did? Oh, that's biigggggg," safety Earl Thomas told Silver. "I'm pretty sure that if some guys didn't believe in him, or had any doubts, they're on the bandwagon now. He led us."

The Matt Flynn talk is going to die down for a while. Everyone's favorite big-talking cornerback, Richard Sherman, says the coaching staff made the "right decision" in choosing Wilson over Flynn.

Wilson, for his part, remains non-plussed.

"I don't ever surprise myself," Wilson told Paul Burmeister on NFL Network's "Around the League." "The main thing is, always (the) biggest thing, is being prepared. My greatest fear in life, my only fear, is not being prepared enough. I'll never be prepared enough. The main thing is preparing the best every day."

Listen to Wilson -- and his teammates for a while -- and it's hard not to become a believer.

 

[Faust]

Around the NFC West: Wilson's deep passes

By Mike Sando | ESPN.com

Russell Wilson's five longest pass completions against the New England Patriots accounted for 200 of his 293 yards passing.

The Seattle Seahawks rookie hit for gains of 51, 50, 46, 29 and 24 yards. There was also a 22-yarder to tight end Zach Miller on a pass delivered into tight quarters.

Wilson now has five touchdowns on deep throws, defined as those traveling more than 20 yards past the line of scrimmage. That figure leads the NFL. It also includes game-winning strikes against preseason NFL favorites Green Bay and New England.

It's likely Wilson will have a much harder time completing similar passes when the Seahawks visit the San Francisco 49ers on Thursday night.

The 49ers are one of two NFL teams yet to allow a scoring pass on these 21-plus throws (Pittsburgh is the other), according to ESPN Stats & Information. They have veteran safeties in Dashon Goldson and Donte Whitner. The Patriots had rookies Tavon Wilson and Nate Ebner at safety on Wilson's winning 46-yard pass to Sidney Rice. By then, injuries had forced starters Patrick Chung and Steve Gregory from the game.

Wilson does throw an outstanding deep ball, no matter who is in coverage. That is one reason he has already outperformed predecessor Tarvaris Jackson on throws traveling more than 20 yards downfield.

Jackson completed 16 of 52 passes (30.8 percent) for 609 yards with two touchdowns and four interceptions when throwing passes traveling more than 20 yards past the line of scrimmage. Jackson was hit and/or under duress on two of the intercepted deep throws, including one as the first half ended during a Week 3 game against Arizona. The two others were fourth-quarter throws in the final 30 seconds when Seattle trailed by more than one score.

Wilson has completed 10 of 19 such throws (52.6 percent) for 344 yards with five scores and one interception. The lone pick came on a Hail Mary throw to end the first half at Arizona.

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[CapnJB]

The kid throws the long ball well.

Here are some week 6 highlights I put together. He threw 5 passes totalling 200 yards...

 

[Nucker101]

I'm still a believer in this kid, he's got a great mindset and has made some great plays despite the lack of weapons around him(I don't buy Rice as a good #1 target, the rest of his receivers aren't anything special). He's still a rookie and has room to grow and improve.

I'm definitely buying him in dynasty leagues.

 

[Righetti]

The kid throws the long ball well.

Here are some week 6 highlights I put together. He threw 5 passes totalling 200 yards...

Great job with he highlights although I could do without the techno

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Positives I like so far:

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At N.C. State, Wilson often put the ball up downfield to give his WRs a chance to make plays. In fact, he did it so often that he was sometimes criticized for it. My guess is that the Seattle coaching staff is coaching him not to do it.

Am I correct in saying it seemed like they let him do that a lot more in the preseason, when he was so successful?I drafted him, dropped him and he's still on my WW. Just thinking I might pick him up next week for his week 10 game at home vs the Jets.

Waiting, but don't want to wait too long.

 

[Raider Nation]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He gets a pass for this game. San Fran is too good. He also was let down by drops.

 

[Colin Dowling]

He is not very good.

 

[Shawnky]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He is not very good.

He just is not ready to be starting yet. Like I have been saying from the start it was/is a tough situation for him.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

 

[rockaction]

These guys average fifteen offensive points a game. Not going to get it done. I love how Wilson's number is 3, because that seems appropriate. Lots of field goals.

 

[Shawnky]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less. As said a few posts earlier people were blinded by their victory against NE. People also like underdog stories, but this may not end well this season for Wilson.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

to be fair to the guy, he hit some of these slugs right on the hands downfield.

 

[rockaction]

to be fair to the guy, he hit some of these slugs right on the hands downfield.

this is true, but it's not an excuse for the howlers in this thread.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

 

[Tau837]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

 

[bonesman]

He is not very good.

much like your analysis.

 

[flc735]

Winds at 15-20 MPH with a 90 percent chance of rainNE seems to have an advantage in poor conditions. they will stop the run forcing wilson to throw and i don't think that will go very well for him. i am expecting him to loose his job after this game with 2-3 picks

I thought advantage is to a running team and defense.I would also bet money he doesn't LOOSE his job.

looks like i was wrong but sheesh, you don't seem to have the ability to comprehend anti-wilson posts. i guess blindly supporting your team works out on occasion.

To be specific, 4 times out of 6 so far.

4 out of 7, actually. which just so happens to be one of the two most likely outcomes when you flip a coin 7 times. impressive

 

[biju]

Winds at 15-20 MPH with a 90 percent chance of rainNE seems to have an advantage in poor conditions. they will stop the run forcing wilson to throw and i don't think that will go very well for him. i am expecting him to loose his job after this game with 2-3 picks

I thought advantage is to a running team and defense.I would also bet money he doesn't LOOSE his job.

looks like i was wrong but sheesh, you don't seem to have the ability to comprehend anti-wilson posts. i guess blindly supporting your team works out on occasion.

To be specific, 4 times out of 6 so far.

4 out of 7, actually. which just so happens to be one of the two most likely outcomes when you flip a coin 7 times. impressive

Wow, have you been waiting all week for another game just to come and post this? Pathetic.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

This is a nice number for sure, but you can throw that stat out the window when it is 3rd down and Wilson is not getting it done.I remembering having this long argument a couple of year ago with you JustWinBaby when it came to YPA. I was aruging that it is a nice stat but not everything. You were arguing up and down that because Rivers had a better YPA that it was more important stat when comparing him to Peyton Manning. I said give me the guy who can move the chains consistently and get first downs even if his YPA was not as good like Mannings that year. This year Rivers has been awful but he has a 7.9 ypa.They put a stat up last night about Seattle being 4 for 21 or something when it is 3rd and longer than 5. When you neeed to make throws you need to make them. Right now Wilson is not getting it done on 3rd downs, and Seattle offense is not getting it done in general. I get they are being conservative and have had moderate success this year (4 and 3 record) with what they are doing.The problem is they had moderate success last year as a .500 team, however this year they have an even better defense and they are one game above .500 even though they were gifted one of those wins.Furthermore, you could argue that Wilson's YPA could/would come down if he attempted more passes. I just don't think that Wilson is ready yet.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

This is a nice number for sure, but you can throw that stat out the window when it is 3rd down and Wilson is not getting it done.I remembering having this long argument a couple of year ago with you JustWinBaby when it came to YPA. I was aruging that it is a nice stat but not everything. You were arguing up and down that because Rivers had a better YPA that it was more important stat when comparing him to Peyton Manning. I said give me the guy who can move the chains consistently and get first downs even if his YPA was not as good like Mannings that year. This year Rivers has been awful but he has a 7.9 ypa.They put a stat up last night about Seattle being 4 for 21 or something when it is 3rd and longer than 5. When you neeed to make throws you need to make them. Right now Wilson is not getting it done on 3rd downs, and Seattle offense is not getting it done in general. I get they are being conservative and have had moderate success this year (4 and 3 record) with what they are doing.The problem is they had moderate success last year as a .500 team, however this year they have an even better defense and they are one game above .500 even though they were gifted one of those wins.Furthermore, you could argue that Wilson's YPA could/would come down if he attempted more passes. I just don't think that Wilson is ready yet.

compare YPA AND success rate.and for Wilson, what I don't understand is that Carroll coaching as if he doesn't trust Wilson to play QB well, but he won't bench him for Flynn. give the kid a shot or don't, seattle's margin of error playing this style is razor thin AND they have to get lucky.

 

[cstu]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

His YPA right now is 7.03...what would it be if you take out the blown TD call?

 

[Mario Kart]

Haters got to hate.

Wilson was the right choice. Deal with it, people.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hey, I'm a fan. I believe(d) in Wilson, and maybe his struggles partly have to do with the Seattle coaching staff and the tough defenses in NFCW, but.... maybe it's time for Flynn.

What surprises me the most is the lack of rushing yards for Wilson.

Drop by Turbin, drop by Tate, maybe it's not all his fault, but with Wilson it's not like these WRs get second chances.

Rice, Tate, Baldwin, Edwards, Obamanu, McCoy, Miller... it would be interesting to see what that receiver corps would do with Flynn.

 

[meatwad1]

Hey, I'm a fan. I believe(d) in Wilson, and maybe his struggles partly have to do with the Seattle coaching staff and the tough defenses in NFCW, but.... maybe it's time for Flynn.

Will Flynn make your wrs hold onto the ball when it is dropped right onto their hands?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hey, I'm a fan. I believe(d) in Wilson, and maybe his struggles partly have to do with the Seattle coaching staff and the tough defenses in NFCW, but.... maybe it's time for Flynn.

Will Flynn make your wrs hold onto the ball when it is dropped right onto their hands?

No.But he may just get them 2 or 3 more opportunities to make up for the missed chance, instead of having to absolutely, definitely guaranteed make the catch to get any progress.With a running game and defense like that I would have to think fans and coaches would expect more from their QB.

 

[Hooper31]

Nice to see not much changes. Poor statistical game? Here come the usual suspect to pile on. Not a shocker. This door swings both ways.

I saw a twitter comment that resonated with me this morning. Something along the lines of "I wouldn't have been surprised to see every play in that game swapped either way". The game was just about what the world expected to see IMO. With regard to Wilson's play, no need to over-react either way with the result.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Nice to see not much changes. Poor statistical game? Here come the usual suspect to pile on. Not a shocker. This door swings both ways.

I saw a twitter comment that resonated with me this morning. Something along the lines of "I wouldn't have been surprised to see every play in that game swapped either way". The game was just about what the world expected to see IMO. With regard to Wilson's play, no need to over-react either way with the result.

I like to think I have been quite consistent with what Wilson has done both good or bad.I posted that he had a very good game against NE and deserved props in contributing to that win.

I also said he gets a pass playing aginst San Fran, as they are the best defense in the league.

If Wilson starts all 16 games he will obviously have a few more good games throughout the season. However, if his play does not become more consistent it will be clear that he should not have been the day 1 starter.

All it takes is a few bad losses for things to turn south quickly. Sidney Rice last night was so frustrated on that int as he had beaten has man in single coverage yet Wilson elected to throw into triple coverage and get picked off. Rice whipped his mouth guard to the ground in frustration and was visibly upset.

You then have Carroll benching Tate for a couple of drops last night. Carroll said that all his Wr's are so close that it was the next guy up to try and make plays. If Wilson continues to be unimpressive you would have to think Carroll would have to save face by benching him and sticking to his mantra of those that don't play well don't play. All is "ok" right now with Seattle being 4 and 3. But what happens if they lose 2 of their next 3 before their bye and Wilson plays poorly. They have the Jets, Detroit and Minny. All of those are winnable games. If they lose 2 and sit at .500 with Wilson being unimpressive does Carroll bench him?

I mean we are looking at a team that was .500 last year with Tavaris Jackson as their starter. I don't know if .500 is what Seattle fans should be happy with considering their defense is playing as good as they are.

 

[Neofight]

He is not very good.

This makes me weep for subscribers. Where is the objective analysis?

 

[Hooper31]

He is not very good.

This makes me weep for subscribers. Where is the objective analysis?

I believe he sees the writing on the wall and knows his time is short. Perhaps wanting to go out in a blaze? It might be fun for him to act like a total doosh to people for the sake of entertainment.

 

[ex-ghost]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

This is a nice number for sure, but you can throw that stat out the window when it is 3rd down and Wilson is not getting it done.I remembering having this long argument a couple of year ago with you JustWinBaby when it came to YPA. I was aruging that it is a nice stat but not everything. You were arguing up and down that because Rivers had a better YPA that it was more important stat when comparing him to Peyton Manning. I said give me the guy who can move the chains consistently and get first downs even if his YPA was not as good like Mannings that year. This year Rivers has been awful but he has a 7.9 ypa.They put a stat up last night about Seattle being 4 for 21 or something when it is 3rd and longer than 5. When you neeed to make throws you need to make them. Right now Wilson is not getting it done on 3rd downs, and Seattle offense is not getting it done in general. I get they are being conservative and have had moderate success this year (4 and 3 record) with what they are doing.The problem is they had moderate success last year as a .500 team, however this year they have an even better defense and they are one game above .500 even though they were gifted one of those wins.Furthermore, you could argue that Wilson's YPA could/would come down if he attempted more passes. I just don't think that Wilson is ready yet.

The other stat they threw out was 1-18 in 3rd and more than 10. Brutal. Only team worse is the Browns.

 

[Tau837]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.who else has a 7.3 ypa....?aaron rodgers drew breesmatt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

This is a nice number for sure, but you can throw that stat out the window when it is 3rd down and Wilson is not getting it done.I remembering having this long argument a couple of year ago with you JustWinBaby when it came to YPA. I was aruging that it is a nice stat but not everything. You were arguing up and down that because Rivers had a better YPA that it was more important stat when comparing him to Peyton Manning. I said give me the guy who can move the chains consistently and get first downs even if his YPA was not as good like Mannings that year. This year Rivers has been awful but he has a 7.9 ypa.They put a stat up last night about Seattle being 4 for 21 or something when it is 3rd and longer than 5. When you neeed to make throws you need to make them. Right now Wilson is not getting it done on 3rd downs, and Seattle offense is not getting it done in general. I get they are being conservative and have had moderate success this year (4 and 3 record) with what they are doing.The problem is they had moderate success last year as a .500 team, however this year they have an even better defense and they are one game above .500 even though they were gifted one of those wins.Furthermore, you could argue that Wilson's YPA could/would come down if he attempted more passes. I just don't think that Wilson is ready yet.

I was the part about Wilson not throwing a lot and thus it not being valid to judge him based on total yards.Wilson has definitely been up and down so far. But he is a rookie known for a strong work ethic. I fully expect him to get better.He has been held back to some degree by his receivers. According to PFF, Wilson's receivers have 11 drops on his 175 attempts, and I know off the top of my head that at least 2 of them should have been caught for TDs, and I believe his receivers have been responsible for at least a couple of his interceptions. Unfortunately, the only way this will improve is if the receivers improve in season and start running better routes, dropping fewer passes, and making more plays.I know some people here discount PFF, but consider these items (all rankings within the group of 33 QBs who have taken at least 33% of their teams' snaps so far):1. PFF rates Wilson #14 overall and #12 as a passer.2. Wilson ranks #13 in PFF QB Rating, which accounts for drops, throwaways, spikes, and YAC.3. Wilson ranks #13 in PFF YIA, which measures the total number of yards in the air, thus not including YAC. (Not accounting for drops.)4. Wilson ranks #13 in PFF Deep Accuracy percentage, which is a QB's completion percentage on yards thrown 20+ yards downfield in the air, counting drops as completions. Wilson ranks ahead of Cutler, Eli, Brady, Ryan, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Romo, among others.5. Wilson has attempted the 3rd highest percentage of deep passes (passes thrown 20+ yards downfield) per dropback (16.6%).6. Wilson has been under pressure on 42.4% of his dropbacks, which is 3rd highest in the NFL. I'm sure he contributes to that by holding the ball too long and pulling it down and trying to escape the pocket too often. Still, that has certainly contributed to his raw numbers. I'm sure this has contributed to his poor conversion rate on 3rd down and 5+.All in all, I think there are a lot of positives to take from Wilson's performance to date. I think those who are saying the Seahawks should have started Flynn all along are off base. Wilson will get better with experience, and they are 4-3 in a tough division so far. There is absolutely no reason to believe that they would have a better record right now if Flynn had been the starter.

 

[flc735]

Winds at 15-20 MPH with a 90 percent chance of rainNE seems to have an advantage in poor conditions. they will stop the run forcing wilson to throw and i don't think that will go very well for him. i am expecting him to loose his job after this game with 2-3 picks

I thought advantage is to a running team and defense.I would also bet money he doesn't LOOSE his job.

looks like i was wrong but sheesh, you don't seem to have the ability to comprehend anti-wilson posts. i guess blindly supporting your team works out on occasion.

To be specific, 4 times out of 6 so far.

4 out of 7, actually. which just so happens to be one of the two most likely outcomes when you flip a coin 7 times. impressive

Wow, have you been waiting all week for another game just to come and post this? Pathetic.

some one is sensitive. are you going to be okay?

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson's seam pass to Zach Miller demonstrated excellent ball location

 

[ImTheScientist]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1382743-breaking-down-russell-wilsons-form-at-the-nfls-midseason-mark

 

[ImTheScientist]

Great game from Russell yesterday.

25 for 35

71.4%

236 yards

2 TDs

He almost had his 3rd game winning drive of the year ...only if the defense held up.

 

[Hooper31]

He led Seattle on an 87 yard drive yesterday and thew what could have been a game winning touchdown late in the 4th quarter. Dude is a gamer and I'm glad he's the Seahawk QB. Looking forward to watching this season and his career play out.

1st-10, SEA13 11:29 R. Wilson passed to G. Tate to the right for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, SEA22 11:00 M. Lynch rushed to the left for 4 yard loss

3rd-5, SEA18 10:14 Seattle committed 5 yard penalty

3rd-10, SEA13 9:54 R. Wilson passed to S. Rice down the middle for 18 yard gain

1st-10, SEA31 9:20 M. Lynch rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, SEA40 8:44 M. Robinson rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

1st-10, SEA42 8:10 R. Wilson passed to S. Rice to the right for 18 yard gain

1st-10, DET40 7:35 R. Wilson incomplete pass to the right

2nd-10, DET40 7:29 R. Wilson passed to S. Rice down the middle for 8 yard gain

3rd-2, DET32 6:46 R. Wilson incomplete pass to the right

4th-2, DET32 6:41 R. Wilson passed to G. Tate to the right for 6 yard gain

1st-10, DET26 6:05 M. Lynch rushed to the left for 10 yard gain

1st-10, DET16 5:27 R. Wilson passed to Z. Miller to the left for 16 yard touchdown. S. Hauschka made PAT

If Seattle had won this game it would have been because of Wilson, not the defense. Yesterday the defense folded (Detroit converted 12 of 16 on third down). Its a team game. Its going to happen. Several in this thread keep pointing at this wonderful Seattle defense and how Wilson is letting the team down. I don't expect those same people to chime in again until Wilson plays a poor game.

 

[JamesTheScot]

He is not very good.

I just don't agree. He had a bad game against what possibly might be the best defense in the NFL. Look at what happened to Luck last week. These guys are only rookies. Come on! If you're at least going to say things like this, give some insight as to why you feel this way. It's only opinion....not fact.

He's had several questionable games. People are just blinded when he has a good game. He throws into the crowd as many times as he throws to a WR. He isnt ready.

As I said, he's a rookie.

Yes he is. Also the reason I am sure many are sick of me saying this, but Flynn should have been the day 1 starter. 5 of 7 games less than 160 yards passing. Twice already in 6 games he has throw for 130 yards and less.

that's true, but you can always pull out whichever stat supports your view.his ypa on the season, prior to tonight I assume, is 7.3.

who else has a 7.3 ypa....?

aaron rodgers

drew brees

matt ryan beats all those guys out at 7.4

they don't have him throwing the ball all that much.

he's probably last in the league in att/game, so crucifying him on total yardage is pretty pointless.

This is a nice number for sure, but you can throw that stat out the window when it is 3rd down and Wilson is not getting it done.I remembering having this long argument a couple of year ago with you JustWinBaby when it came to YPA. I was aruging that it is a nice stat but not everything. You were arguing up and down that because Rivers had a better YPA that it was more important stat when comparing him to Peyton Manning. I said give me the guy who can move the chains consistently and get first downs even if his YPA was not as good like Mannings that year. This year Rivers has been awful but he has a 7.9 ypa.

They put a stat up last night about Seattle being 4 for 21 or something when it is 3rd and longer than 5. When you neeed to make throws you need to make them. Right now Wilson is not getting it done on 3rd downs, and Seattle offense is not getting it done in general. I get they are being conservative and have had moderate success this year (4 and 3 record) with what they are doing.

The problem is they had moderate success last year as a .500 team, however this year they have an even better defense and they are one game above .500 even though they were gifted one of those wins.

Furthermore, you could argue that Wilson's YPA could/would come down if he attempted more passes. I just don't think that Wilson is ready yet.

I was the part about Wilson not throwing a lot and thus it not being valid to judge him based on total yards.Wilson has definitely been up and down so far. But he is a rookie known for a strong work ethic. I fully expect him to get better.

He has been held back to some degree by his receivers. According to PFF, Wilson's receivers have 11 drops on his 175 attempts, and I know off the top of my head that at least 2 of them should have been caught for TDs, and I believe his receivers have been responsible for at least a couple of his interceptions. Unfortunately, the only way this will improve is if the receivers improve in season and start running better routes, dropping fewer passes, and making more plays.

I know some people here discount PFF, but consider these items (all rankings within the group of 33 QBs who have taken at least 33% of their teams' snaps so far):

1. PFF rates Wilson #14 overall and #12 as a passer.

2. Wilson ranks #13 in PFF QB Rating, which accounts for drops, throwaways, spikes, and YAC.

3. Wilson ranks #13 in PFF YIA, which measures the total number of yards in the air, thus not including YAC. (Not accounting for drops.)

4. Wilson ranks #13 in PFF Deep Accuracy percentage, which is a QB's completion percentage on yards thrown 20+ yards downfield in the air, counting drops as completions. Wilson ranks ahead of Cutler, Eli, Brady, Ryan, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Romo, among others.

5. Wilson has attempted the 3rd highest percentage of deep passes (passes thrown 20+ yards downfield) per dropback (16.6%).

6. Wilson has been under pressure on 42.4% of his dropbacks, which is 3rd highest in the NFL. I'm sure he contributes to that by holding the ball too long and pulling it down and trying to escape the pocket too often. Still, that has certainly contributed to his raw numbers. I'm sure this has contributed to his poor conversion rate on 3rd down and 5+.

All in all, I think there are a lot of positives to take from Wilson's performance to date. I think those who are saying the Seahawks should have started Flynn all along are off base. Wilson will get better with experience, and they are 4-3 in a tough division so far. There is absolutely no reason to believe that they would have a better record right now if Flynn had been the starter.

Holding on to the ball too long should contribute to sacks, but not to pressure generally. Of course he's going to hold on to the ball until he gets pressured. Any QB would. Imagine how we would judge a QB who threw the ball away and gave up on a play BEFORE he felt pressure. Wilson's high pressure numbers but respectable sack numbers tell you he is doing a good job with pressure. The only way Wilson could be contributing to pressures generally would be if he was not throwing to open reads early in the progression or not pulling the trigger on timing routes (which are actually almost the same thing). Given the offense that Seattle is running and the way that Carroll has had the clamps on him, I don't think that's what's been going on.

He's looked cool under pressure and has a nice deep ball. He doesn't look to run, he looks to buy time. He studies and works hard. Those are all things that are serious positives for his future.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Did not tune into the Seattle game, but it appears that Wilson had a good game. Perhaps the consistency is/will start to come for him as he grows as a player.

Seattle's problem at the moment seems to be they can't win on the road. They have a great atmosphere at home and have a very good home record, but are struggling to find wins on the road.

The have a couple of home games before their bye. Both of them against teams that are reeling in the Vikings and Jets. These are must win games if you want to find your way into the playoffs at seasons end. Esepcially as you can't win on the road.

 

[DoubleG]

Did not tune into the Seattle game, but it appears that Wilson had a good game. Perhaps the consistency is/will start to come for him as he grows as a player.

Seattle's problem at the moment seems to be they can't win on the road. They have a great atmosphere at home and have a very good home record, but are struggling to find wins on the road.

The have a couple of home games before their bye. Both of them against teams that are reeling in the Vikings and Jets. These are must win games if you want to find your way into the playoffs at seasons end. Esepcially as you can't win on the road.

"at the moment" - that has historically been their problem. But otherwise I agree with the post.

 

[ImTheScientist]

He led Seattle on an 87 yard drive yesterday and thew what could have been a game winning touchdown late in the 4th quarter. Dude is a gamer and I'm glad he's the Seahawk QB. Looking forward to watching this season and his career play out.

1st-10, SEA13 11:29 R. Wilson passed to G. Tate to the right for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, SEA22 11:00 M. Lynch rushed to the left for 4 yard loss

3rd-5, SEA18 10:14 Seattle committed 5 yard penalty

3rd-10, SEA13 9:54 R. Wilson passed to S. Rice down the middle for 18 yard gain

1st-10, SEA31 9:20 M. Lynch rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain

2nd-1, SEA40 8:44 M. Robinson rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

1st-10, SEA42 8:10 R. Wilson passed to S. Rice to the right for 18 yard gain

1st-10, DET40 7:35 R. Wilson incomplete pass to the right

2nd-10, DET40 7:29 R. Wilson passed to S. Rice down the middle for 8 yard gain

3rd-2, DET32 6:46 R. Wilson incomplete pass to the right

4th-2, DET32 6:41 R. Wilson passed to G. Tate to the right for 6 yard gain

1st-10, DET26 6:05 M. Lynch rushed to the left for 10 yard gain

1st-10, DET16 5:27 R. Wilson passed to Z. Miller to the left for 16 yard touchdown. S. Hauschka made PAT

If Seattle had won this game it would have been because of Wilson, not the defense. Yesterday the defense folded (Detroit converted 12 of 16 on third down). Its a team game. Its going to happen. Several in this thread keep pointing at this wonderful Seattle defense and how Wilson is letting the team down. I don't expect those same people to chime in again until Wilson plays a poor game.

He's going to have a strong second half. Guys looking to replace Mike Vick on their fantasy team may want to pickup Wilson if he even is out on the WW. I'd guess he is rostered in most leagues.

 

[Hooper31]

Guys looking to replace Mike Vick on their fantasy team may want to pickup Wilson if he even is out on the WW. I'd guess he is rostered in most leagues.

I get that you're excited about future possibilities, but this is just too much for me to agree with. This team is designed to be a grind it out, pound the other team into submission, blood and guts sort of team. I don't see any QB being very fantasy relevant with a team that wants to win that way. Sure, he should have some good games statistically, but they won't be consistent. Even worse, the team could play well and throttle someone while the QB posts very non-impressive stats.