QB Russell Wilson, NYG (2 Viewers)

[Sabertooth]

I think calling them a bottom 1/3 unit is generous. They are collectively probably one of the three or four worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Especially when considering all positions (WR, TE, RB), I don't think there is a weaker group of targets. If someone disagrees, name them.

Oakland. Minnesota, Cleveland, Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, Redskins, Rams. Lynch alone is better than any player on any of those teams.

 

[Tau837]

I think calling them a bottom 1/3 unit is generous. They are collectively probably one of the three or four worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Especially when considering all positions (WR, TE, RB), I don't think there is a weaker group of targets. If someone disagrees, name them.

Oakland. Minnesota, Cleveland, Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, Redskins, Rams. Lynch alone is better than any player on any of those teams.

Reading comprehension down? Lynch as a receiving target is better than every player on those teams? That's your stance?

 

[drfeelgood]

I think calling them a bottom 1/3 unit is generous. They are collectively probably one of the three or four worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Especially when considering all positions (WR, TE, RB), I don't think there is a weaker group of targets. If someone disagrees, name them.

Oakland. Minnesota, Cleveland, Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, Redskins, Rams. Lynch alone is better than any player on any of those teams.

Reading comprehension down? Lynch as a receiving target is better than every player on those teams? That's your stance?

Why so snarky?

 

[Banger]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

C'mon. You're better than this. If you can't see he and Sanchez are WORLD'S apart then you should just stop watching football. He carries the team every time it needs carrying.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

When Harvin was in Seattle their WR corps was better than Indy's.

Right now I think if you went back in tiem and swapped out all of Seattle and Indy's WRs when they were drafted we'd still be having the exact same conversation about Seattle's horrible WRs of Hilton, 93 year old Wayne, Nicks, etc.

 

[CalBear]

When Harvin was in Seattle their WR corps was better than Indy's.

Right now I think if you went back in tiem and swapped out all of Seattle and Indy's WRs when they were drafted we'd still be having the exact same conversation about Seattle's horrible WRs of Hilton, 93 year old Wayne, Nicks, etc.

No way. Among other things, if Wayne is the slot receiver he makes that catch.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think calling them a bottom 1/3 unit is generous. They are collectively probably one of the three or four worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Especially when considering all positions (WR, TE, RB), I don't think there is a weaker group of targets. If someone disagrees, name them.

Oakland. Minnesota, Cleveland, Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, Redskins, Rams. Lynch alone is better than any player on any of those teams.

Reading comprehension down? Lynch as a receiving target is better than every player on those teams? That's your stance?

I thought when he put RB in the mix, he meant Running backs. Lynch is a great receiving target too. He made great receptions in both the NFCC game and the Super Bowl.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

C'mon. You're better than this. If you can't see he and Sanchez are WORLD'S apart then you should just stop watching football. He carries the team every time it needs carrying.

Maybe. But the stats are very telling. I think his work ethic far outstrips Sanchez. I'm not sure that he's carried his team though. Lynch and the defense carry this team. Oh yeah, and the twelves.

 

[Sabertooth]

When Harvin was in Seattle their WR corps was better than Indy's.

Right now I think if you went back in tiem and swapped out all of Seattle and Indy's WRs when they were drafted we'd still be having the exact same conversation about Seattle's horrible WRs of Hilton, 93 year old Wayne, Nicks, etc.

No way. Among other things, if Wayne is the slot receiver he makes that catch.

Not with that ball placement he doesn't. Also that ball was thrown to the outside receiver, Slot receiver was Kearse who did not drive Browner back into the defender and obstruct his path properly. Either way, if Wilson puts that ball two feet lower, it's caught or incomplete.

That throw is on Wilson. Maybe not the playcall but the throw was errant.

 

[Hooper31]

When Harvin was in Seattle their WR corps was better than Indy's.

Right now I think if you went back in tiem and swapped out all of Seattle and Indy's WRs when they were drafted we'd still be having the exact same conversation about Seattle's horrible WRs of Hilton, 93 year old Wayne, Nicks, etc.

Just an FYI. None of Seattle's WRs were drafted**. They were all free agents that went undrafted.

EDIT: ** that played a role in the Super Bowl. They did draft Richardson and Norwood this past year.

 

[IndyHavoc]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

 

[GoBirds]

Hooper31, on 04 Feb 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

FreeBaGeL, on 03 Feb 2015 - 11:48 PM, said:When Harvin was in Seattle their WR corps was better than Indy's.

Right now I think if you went back in tiem and swapped out all of Seattle and Indy's WRs when they were drafted we'd still be having the exact same conversation about Seattle's horrible WRs of Hilton, 93 year old Wayne, Nicks, etc.

Just an FYI. None of Seattle's WRs were drafted**. They were all free agents that went undrafted.

EDIT: ** that played a role in the Super Bowl. They did draft Richardson and Norwood this past year.

I think Wilson does great with what he has to work with. He seems to get the ball downfield with good accuracy......little trouble on a certain short crossing route. I think he can continue to develop into a great passer, its not like he was a strictly option QB in college he put up some amazing passing games when he was at NC State/Wisc.

 

[Synthesizer]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

 

[pizzatyme]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

 

[Neofight]

Wilson's numbers were awful in regulation of that game. For the QB of any other team in the league, that's the end of it and OT never happens.

Can we stop with the nonsense that these guys are the worst group of targets in the NFL? What percentage of Wilson's passing yards in the Super Bowl came on plays where the ball was basically thrown up and the WR made an amazing play on the ball? I think I saw more of that in the last two Seattle games than just about the entire season for any other team. They're far from great, but those guys are not that bad.

You act as though Wilson has no part of those catches but does have a part in those easy drops. They're a bottom 1/3 WR unit.

I think calling them a bottom 1/3 unit is generous. They are collectively probably one of the three or four worst receiving corps in the NFL. The fact that they were thisclose to winning the Super Bowl with those scrubs at WR is a testament to how great the rest of the team is, Wilson included.

I don't disagree, I'm just being a bit cautious because I'm not as familiar with other units except the Cowboys and maybe a handful of other teams. Off the top of my head, Clevland without Josh is probably worse.ETA: which groups do you consider worse?

 

[Sabertooth]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

 

[Neofight]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

Great team overall. Pretty poor WR corps. They were still good enough to win the Super Bowl, but that last pick was equal parts poor concept, poor route and effort by the WR's and poor throw.

 

[JetMaxx]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

Great team overall. Pretty poor WR corps. They were still good enough to win the Super Bowl, but that last pick was equal parts poor concept, poor route and effort by the WR's and poor throw.

It was perfectly thrown.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

Great team overall. Pretty poor WR corps. They were still good enough to win the Super Bowl, but that last pick was equal parts poor concept, poor route and effort by the WR's and poor throw.

It was perfectly thrown.

It was perfectly thrown for a 2nd and 15 play from your own 20 yard line where you want to give the WR a chance to run with the ball.

It was terribly thrown in the endzone, made even worse given the situation. That pass should have been low and into the WR's body, so he could go down to the ground with it and no defender could get to it without running through the WR. High and out in front was NOT the proper placement given the situation. Not even close.

 

[JetMaxx]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

Great team overall. Pretty poor WR corps. They were still good enough to win the Super Bowl, but that last pick was equal parts poor concept, poor route and effort by the WR's and poor throw.

It was perfectly thrown.

It was perfectly thrown for a 2nd and 15 play from your own 20 yard line where you want to give the WR a chance to run with the ball.

It was terribly thrown in the endzone, made even worse given the situation. That pass should have been low and into the WR's body, so he could go down to the ground with it and no defender could get to it without running through the WR. High and out in front was NOT the proper placement given the situation. Not even close.

Wrong. A low pass gets batted down or worse yet deflected. His error was in trusting that Kearse would do his job, the pass was perfect.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

Great team overall. Pretty poor WR corps. They were still good enough to win the Super Bowl, but that last pick was equal parts poor concept, poor route and effort by the WR's and poor throw.

It was perfectly thrown.

It was perfectly thrown for a 2nd and 15 play from your own 20 yard line where you want to give the WR a chance to run with the ball.

It was terribly thrown in the endzone, made even worse given the situation. That pass should have been low and into the WR's body, so he could go down to the ground with it and no defender could get to it without running through the WR. High and out in front was NOT the proper placement given the situation. Not even close.

Wrong. A low pass gets batted down or worse yet deflected. His error was in trusting that Kearse would do his job, the pass was perfect.

You're wrong. I'd bet Russell Wilson would tell you the same if he could have it to do over.

 

[Neofight]

Wilson's stats the last two playoffs are eerily similar to Mark Sanchez's stats from his two playoff runs with New York. Except Sanchez didn't throw as many picks. Not saying he's the next Sanchez, but he isn't exactly carrying his team either. Both had mediocre receivers, great defenses, and strong running games and were under the age of 25.

Let's hold off on the Canton bust for a while longer.

Sorry, but I'm with Sabertooth on this. Wilson really isn't being asked to do all that much and/or all that often. When asked, he hits more often than misses. But the past 10 yrs are littered with QB's that look great for a season or two, but just can't adapt and grow (physical limitations, mental limitations, who knows?). Teams have a bevy of stats guys, film guys, smart guys. I'm just not nearly as sold as most that Wilson is going to be "great". I think he's shown the potential to be, but the difference will be seen over the next 3 seasons as the Seahags team make up shifts and changes. We know he can manage the game with lesser rx'ing weapons, top 3 running game, and top 3 defense/st to help out. We do NOT know anything beyond that.

Don't discount Wilson's role in both of these. He is excellent at the read option, he keeps the chains moving, and he generally avoids turnovers. That combination is guaranteed to help your running game and defense.

I agree with this. He is in the perfect situation to succeed. It's good drafting by the Seahawks. Can't fault the guy for succeeding in the right situation. Same holds true for Brady in many ways.

what remains to be seen is whether he can continue success as the pieces around him begin to change. We don't know at this point. You can't discount that from top to bottom he is surrounded by a great team right now.

Great team overall. Pretty poor WR corps. They were still good enough to win the Super Bowl, but that last pick was equal parts poor concept, poor route and effort by the WR's and poor throw.

It was perfectly thrown.

It was perfectly thrown for a 2nd and 15 play from your own 20 yard line where you want to give the WR a chance to run with the ball.

It was terribly thrown in the endzone, made even worse given the situation. That pass should have been low and into the WR's body, so he could go down to the ground with it and no defender could get to it without running through the WR. High and out in front was NOT the proper placement given the situation. Not even close.

Wrong. A low pass gets batted down or worse yet deflected. His error was in trusting that Kearse would do his job, the pass was perfect.

How does a low pass into the body get batted down or deflected more easily than a pass up around the WR's shoulders/head? Honestly, it wasn't the right ball placement for that situation; that play was a great illustration of the difference between accuracy (very accurate on that pass) and ball placement (better ball placement and we might be talking about b2b Seahawks championships).

 

[Faust]

Greg Cosell on how Russell Wilson has improved over past year

 

[Niles Standish]

Wilson threw 6 tds and 5 picks in the playoffs this season. That's mediocre. His passer rating was 5th best.

Well there are usually good QBs in the playoffs so 5th best isn't necessarily bad.

Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Romo, Luck, Ben, Flacco, Stafford.

 

[Old Smiley]

Wilson threw 6 tds and 5 picks in the playoffs this season. That's mediocre. His passer rating was 5th best.

Well there are usually good QBs in the playoffs so 5th best isn't necessarily bad.

Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Romo, Luck, Ben, Flacco, Stafford.

Plus there's serious question whether he was concussed in the GB game...

edit: I thought ball security was one of his strengths.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Wilson threw 6 tds and 5 picks in the playoffs this season. That's mediocre. His passer rating was 5th best.

Well there are usually good QBs in the playoffs so 5th best isn't necessarily bad.

Yep. And his passer rating was still over 90. That is not mediocre, except in Sabertooth's world apparently.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Tuesday, Seahawks GM John Schneider hinted Russell Wilson may be willing to give the team a discount in long-term talks.
"Russell Wilson wants to win championships," Schneider said. "(And that means) thinking outside of the box a lot of times. ... He knows, he gets it. He wants to win. He wants to win for a long time." It's optimistic talk, but NFL Network reported in January that Wilson's next deal will likely make him the highest-paid quarterback in the league. Wilson's agent will do his best to steer him away from any home-town discount.

Source: Seattle Times
Feb 10 - 3:26 PM

 

[Old Smiley]

Nothing like a little hinting.

 

[Niles Standish]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Tuesday, Seahawks GM John Schneider hinted Russell Wilson may be willing to give the team a discount in long-term talks.

"Russell Wilson wants to win championships," Schneider said. "(And that means) thinking outside of the box a lot of times. ... He knows, he gets it. He wants to win. He wants to win for a long time." It's optimistic talk, but NFL Network reported in January that Wilson's next deal will likely make him the highest-paid quarterback in the league. Wilson's agent will do his best to steer him away from any home-town discount.

Source: Seattle Times

Feb 10 - 3:26 PM

Interesting idea. And with his marketability assuming he keeps playing on winning teams he might make more money that way. Then again he's going to take a 3-4 million a year discount if he takes one not a 10 million discount.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Former NFL agent Joel Corry suggests Russell Wilson could give the Seahawks a hometown discount if the deal is fully guaranteed.

Only 49 percent of Aaron Rodgers' $110M deal is guaranteed and Drew Brees leads the league with $60M of his $100M guaranteed. One way the Seahawks can "think outside the box," as they said they'll do, is to give Wilson significantly less total money ($75-$85M) but guarantee just about all of it. That could satisfy Wilson and position Seattle to keep team-building toward more Super Bowls.

Source: Seattle Times
Feb 17 - 9:09 AM

 

[Sabertooth]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/russell.png

 

[Old Smiley]

Rotoworld:

Former NFL agent Joel Corry suggests Russell Wilson could give the Seahawks a hometown discount if the deal is fully guaranteed.

Only 49 percent of Aaron Rodgers' $110M deal is guaranteed and Drew Brees leads the league with $60M of his $100M guaranteed. One way the Seahawks can "think outside the box," as they said they'll do, is to give Wilson significantly less total money ($75-$85M) but guarantee just about all of it. That could satisfy Wilson and position Seattle to keep team-building toward more Super Bowls.

Source: Seattle Times
Feb 17 - 9:09 AM

Or they could just keep funneling those Microsoft endorsement deals at him. He could play for free. Now that's some outside the box thinking.

 

[Faust]

Will Russell Wilson's contract extension be fully guaranteed?

 

[Faust]

Agent's Take: How Seahawks can get creative with Russell Wilson deal

 

[SproutDaddy]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/russell.png

at your butthurt.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Terry Blount reports the Seahawks are "very close" to a contract extension for Russell Wilson.
"From what I've been told they're very close, they're just trying to make sure every single thing is in place," Blount said. "It's going to be bigger and crazier and different from what any contract has ever been." There's been speculation Wilson could give the Seahawks a hometown discount if his deal is fully guaranteed. The Seahawks want Wilson to take less money in exchange for financial stability. Seattle currently has $14.2 million in salary-cap space.

Source: ESPN 710 Seattle
Mar 20 - 7:11 PM

 

[cstu]

Agent's Take: How Seahawks can get creative with Russell Wilson deal

Tell him they will give him $1M a year and if God wills it He will deposit an extra $20M in every year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Russell would be all like http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/russell.png

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson prepping as if he's playing out his rookie deal in 2015

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Russell Wilson said he has not closed the door on playing both football and baseball.

There are a lot of holes in this claim. First, Wilson doesn't look like a potential star in baseball. He hit .229 with five homers and 19 steals in 315 at-bats for the Rockies' Class A level in 2010-11. Second, playing quarterback in the NFL is a full-year job -- he can't pop in and out a la Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders. And finally, Wilson is in the middle of contract talks with the Seahawks and will likely emerge with a deal that guarantees him an unprecedented amount of money. The team is sure to include a clause that the face of their franchise can't seriously play baseball.

Source: Seattle Times
Apr 13 - 7:52 AM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Seahawks GM John Schneider declined comment when asked if the team would contractually bar Russell Wilson from playing baseball.

"That's not something I'd get into right now," Schneider said in a radio interview. Schneider was forced to comment after Wilson recently said he hasn't closed the door on returning to the diamond. While it was certainly an interesting public admission, Wilson doesn't have the looks of the next two-sport star. He's going on 27, and underwhelmed during his time in the Rockies' minor-league system. Wilson's baseball "future" is more of a talking point than actual thing for Seahawks fans to worry about.

Source: ESPN 710 Seattle
Apr 16 - 4:25 PM

 

[Faust]

Russell Wilson vs. Seattle Seahawks: Why this could drag on, get testy

 

[Faust]

Would Seahawks let Russell Wilson walk? GM hints that it's possible

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Russell Wilson - QB - Seahawks

In an interview with HBO's Bryant Gumble, Russell Wilson claimed the Texas Rangers want him to play baseball.

Wilson added, "I know I can play in the big leagues." Straight out of the John Elway school of negotiation, Wilson's baseball comments are likely just a leverage ploy in his ongoing contract discussions. A .229 hitter in his short stint in the Rockies' minor-league system, Wilson does not have the bright baseball future he might imagine. Wilson will be the quarterback of the Seahawks for the foreseeable future, and the two sides should come to an agreement sometime before the start of the season.

Source: Pro Football Talk

Apr 18 - 11:28 AM

 

[Raider Nation]

Rotoworld:

In an interview with HBO's Bryant Gumble, Russell Wilson claimed the Texas Rangers want him to play baseball.

That aired tonight. I figured some of you might enjoy seeing it. Had to upload it in two parts because it's a large file.

Part 1 - https://vid.me/937D

Part 2 - https://vid.me/M0If

 

[The Commish]

I don't know why he keeps bringing up baseball. He let it come between him and NCSU and he's going there again. I don't think he understands that Joeboo isn't a real thing that could help him hit any sort of breaking ball. He's spectacularly bad at it actually.

 

[Tau837]

I don't know why he keeps bringing up baseball. He let it come between him and NCSU and he's going there again. I don't think he understands that Joeboo isn't a real thing that could help him hit any sort of breaking ball. He's spectacularly bad at it actually.

Wilson didn't "let it come between him and NCSU." Tom O'Brien reneged on a promise he made to Wilson and ultimately pulled his scholarship.

Also, he was drafted by the Rockies in the 4th round. That was a bad pick by them but it does show he had some baseball talent.

 

[The Commish]

I don't know why he keeps bringing up baseball. He let it come between him and NCSU and he's going there again. I don't think he understands that Joeboo isn't a real thing that could help him hit any sort of breaking ball. He's spectacularly bad at it actually.

Wilson didn't "let it come between him and NCSU." Tom O'Brien reneged on a promise he made to Wilson and ultimately pulled his scholarship.

Also, he was drafted by the Rockies in the 4th round. That was a bad pick by them but it does show he had some baseball talent.

I don't know what their initial agreements, pinky swears whatever were. When this came to light to us, I thought O'Brein gave him a choice to either be full in on football or walk. That's not correct? No one has said he doesn't have ANY baseball talent, but he's severely lacking in one of the most important talents. We can discuss O'Brein backtracking on a promise or whatever, but that wasn't the point in time I am talking about.

 

[Tau837]

I don't know why he keeps bringing up baseball. He let it come between him and NCSU and he's going there again. I don't think he understands that Joeboo isn't a real thing that could help him hit any sort of breaking ball. He's spectacularly bad at it actually.

Wilson didn't "let it come between him and NCSU." Tom O'Brien reneged on a promise he made to Wilson and ultimately pulled his scholarship.

Also, he was drafted by the Rockies in the 4th round. That was a bad pick by them but it does show he had some baseball talent.

I don't know what their initial agreements, pinky swears whatever were. When this came to light to us, I thought O'Brein gave him a choice to either be full in on football or walk. That's not correct? No one has said he doesn't have ANY baseball talent, but he's severely lacking in one of the most important talents. We can discuss O'Brein backtracking on a promise or whatever, but that wasn't the point in time I am talking about.

These are the facts of that situation:

1. When Wilson was recruited, a primary reason he chose N.C. State is because it was promised to him that he could play both baseball and football. When Tom O'Brien became the head coach, he pledged to honor that promise.

2. Wilson played for the N.C. State baseball team from 2008-2010, so he missed spring football practice every one of those seasons.

3. Wilson played summer baseball in 2009 (amateur) and 2010 (Class A minor leagues), so he missed summer football workouts in each of those seasons.

4. Wilson was the N.C. State starting QB from 2008 to 2010, and a damn good one.

5. Glennon was a highly regarded recruit who was behind Wilson from 2008 to 2010. He graduated early, meaning he could transfer without penalty.

6. O'Brien released Wilson from his scholarship in early April 2011.

At times, the rationale for TOB's decision was said to be because Wilson couldn't miss spring and summer practice/workouts and effectively be the starting QB. That is obviously untrue, since he did that every year prior and is one of the best QBs in N.C. State and ACC history. There was no precedent for TOB to demand that Wilson participate in spring and summer football in 2011 in order to play in the fall. And, in fact, he had specifically promised Wilson that he wouldn't do that.

At times, the rationale for TOB's decision was said to be because Wilson was unwilling to commit to coming back for football in fall 2011. I do not believe that is supported by anything Wilson ever said publicly, and, in fact, it is contradicted by public quotes from Wilson that he simply wanted the chance to return to compete for the starting QB job. Of course, we have no way to know what was said in private between them, although I know that Wilson told other people he expected to return for football season.

In 2010, TOB encouraged Wilson to be recognized on senior day, despite the fact that he was a redshirt junior. After State's bowl game in 2010, TOB was asked if Wilson would return, and he responded that he didn't see why he would, since he had accomplished everything he could accomplish, or something similar to that.

IMO it is clear that TOB made a decision that he preferred two years of Glennon over one more year of Wilson and Glennon transferring, and he pushed Wilson out as a result and used baseball as an excuse. I think it went beyond the extra year, I think it was always TOB's preference to play Glennon, who he saw as his next Matt Ryan and who was a better fit for his preferred offensive philosophy. The problem was that Wilson beat Glennon out in prior years, and apparently Glennon would not have stayed to compete with Wilson for the job in 2011. So TOB pulled Wilson's scholarship to ensure Glennon wouldn't have to beat anyone out and would stay.

To be fair to TOB, it was a rather unusual and difficult situation. But as a State fan, I felt at the time that he made the wrong decision, and I still feel that way now.

 

[The Commish]

Sorry...I don't see where my question was really addressed. Was there a conversation between them where O'Brein told him to either participate fully or move on? Or to ask another way, had Wilson chosen to commit fully to football, is it believed that O'Brein would have accepted him with open arms or is it believed Wilson would have still been cut?