ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Great pick, fell right to a team which gives him a great chance for success. He'll end up being one of the top 2 QBs coming out of this years draft.
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QB Russell Wilson, PIT (2 Viewers)
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Donsmith753
Footballguy
Top 4 but yeah I'm in. Especially at his current price
smackdaddies
Footballguy
I hope so, but put me in the Flynn camp. I think he will be successful and thus push Wilson into the permanent back up role until he graduates from his rookie contract
FavreCo
Footballguy
5'-11"...maybe. He will go the way of Troy Smith and Pat White, both thought of as potential NFL starters yet failed miserably. His best case scenario is backup and injury fill in like that Wallace bum who I saw that they likened him to during the draft.Fantaasy irrelevant.
Smith
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=569728 & http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=577975 among others
White
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=466293 & http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=466116
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
And this comes from a guy that thought Charlie Whitehurst was going to start over TJax last year.
lolu.....
FavreCo
Footballguy
Where is t-joke now? Waterboy, that's where. That's how bad he is. Whitehurst obviously should have been starting. They fixed that mistake with Flynn, not the midget you are in love with.And this comes from a guy that thought Charlie Whitehurst was going to start over TJax last year.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I'm in. I'm still a little bitter the Bills didn't grab him. I think he could be the real deal. Especially in Chan Gaileys offense. I still think he has a chance to succeed in Seattle. If Rice can get 100% healthy he could really help out whatever QB is there.
steelcityman
Footballguy
If Wilson becomes starter this year or next, does the GM get canned? I mean, they spent some coin to bring in Flynn. If he flops, someone will take some heat. Petey will dance around it all, like he always does(or leave for another job).
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
There probably isn't too many NFL GM/HC's with more job security then those two and they didn't spend to much coin on Flynn. Their philosophy is Compete.... they also believe in getting QB talent much in the way Green Bay and Philadelphia does (GM came from GB). The bottom line is winning in Seattle, starters are not determined by how you are paid, performance is all that matters (which is unique in the NFL) and they can really only do this because of the job security they have.
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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I don't think anyone, besides the management that selected him, thought White would be more than a gimmick. Everyone is saying if you add two measly inches to Wilson's frame, you are looking at a 1st/2nd rounder. I think Wilson is worth a strong look based on that fact that he excelled at two different, big conference colleges...most of the time, a transfer is running from an issue, or trying to find a better program, and all Wilson did was set records at two different big college programs...at the worst, he has proven he can grasp a new concept, which happens all the time in the NFL.
Fantaasy irrelevant.
Smith
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=569728 & http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=577975 among others
White
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=466293 & http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=466116
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So if the QB he drafts wins the starting job, he gets fired?
Russell Wilson highlights from last season in Wisconsin.
Some notes from watching:
His play action? Sick, seems like everyone on D bites. Could be important with Lynch and Turbin.
Way faster than I expected.
Great pocket skills (granted these are highlights but judging from his numbers, most of his plays were highlights)
+ arm strength and touch on his throws.
I've also read that Wilson had maybe the biggest hands of any QB in the draft, which can help in rainy Seattle for holding on to the ball.
Also, due to his high release point, his release point compares to RGIII and last season he had less passes batted down than Luck and Griffin.
The reason he fell in the draft is solely on height but Wilson is superb at finding throwing lanes, something Brees has been able to do in his time in the NFL.
I haven't even covered his character yet, he was named team captain within 20 days of being on the Wisonsin football team.
One of the huge things Pete Carroll preaches is limiting turnovers and Wilson is a master at this. His freshman year at NC State the dude threw for 17 TDs and 1 INT! Last year, 39 total TDs, 4 INTs.
Some notes from watching:
His play action? Sick, seems like everyone on D bites. Could be important with Lynch and Turbin.
Way faster than I expected.
Great pocket skills (granted these are highlights but judging from his numbers, most of his plays were highlights)
+ arm strength and touch on his throws.
I've also read that Wilson had maybe the biggest hands of any QB in the draft, which can help in rainy Seattle for holding on to the ball.
Also, due to his high release point, his release point compares to RGIII and last season he had less passes batted down than Luck and Griffin.
The reason he fell in the draft is solely on height but Wilson is superb at finding throwing lanes, something Brees has been able to do in his time in the NFL.
I haven't even covered his character yet, he was named team captain within 20 days of being on the Wisonsin football team.
One of the huge things Pete Carroll preaches is limiting turnovers and Wilson is a master at this. His freshman year at NC State the dude threw for 17 TDs and 1 INT! Last year, 39 total TDs, 4 INTs.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
So u wannaRussell Wilson highlights from last season in Wisconsin.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8r7wLnb1xc&feature=player_embeddedSome notes from watching: His play action? Sick, seems like everyone on D bites. Could be important with Lynch and Turbin. Way faster than I expected. Great pocket skills (granted these are highlights but judging from his numbers, most of his plays were highlights)+ arm strength and touch on his throws.I've also read that Wilson had maybe the biggest hands of any QB in the draft, which can help in rainy Seattle for holding on to the ball. Also, due to his high release point, his release point compares to RGIII and last season he had less passes batted down than Luck and Griffin.The reason he fell in the draft is solely on height but Wilson is superb at finding throwing lanes, something Brees has been able to do in his time in the NFL. I haven't even covered his character yet, he was named team captain within 20 days of being on the Wisonsin football team. One of the huge things Pete Carroll preaches is limiting turnovers and Wilson is a master at this. His freshman year at NC State the dude threw for 17 TDs and 1 INT! Last year, 39 total TDs, 4 INTs.
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Hooper31
Footballguy
Are you under the impression that it rains more in Seattle than other cities during football season?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
It doesn't rain more in inches....not sure about actual rainy days, typically nice til around mid to late October though. Regardless weather is a factor because we don't have a dome so it has to be something to consider.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
QBBC - 3 guys who arent special. I see Seattle drafting another QB in 2 years
breadtree
Footballguy
It is likely that I am a bigger Badger fan than all but 100 or so people in the world. So while I'm certainly biased, I know a lot about Russell Wilson.
Wilson has all the skills necessary to be successful in the NFL. He has intelligence, character, leadership, and work ethic that are off the charts. He makes less than 1 bad decision per game. I love the stat about how many passes Wilson got knocked down, but the NFL is a completely different game, so it's tough to know how much that tells us. I will say that the UW line was gigantic, so it's not like his OL will be any bigger.
Like Mel Kiper said when he was drafted, if Wilson can't succeed in the NFL, no short QB should ever be drafted again because the only thing that Wilson doesn't have is height. It's nearly impossible to predict QB success in the NFL, though, so who knows.
Bottom line, though, is that he's not in a position to be fantasy relevant for the next couple of years. It's really hard for me to believe that Seattle is going to pay Matt Flynn ~$8M / year to backup Wilson. My hope is that Seattle ends up trading one of the two guys.
Wilson has all the skills necessary to be successful in the NFL. He has intelligence, character, leadership, and work ethic that are off the charts. He makes less than 1 bad decision per game. I love the stat about how many passes Wilson got knocked down, but the NFL is a completely different game, so it's tough to know how much that tells us. I will say that the UW line was gigantic, so it's not like his OL will be any bigger.
Like Mel Kiper said when he was drafted, if Wilson can't succeed in the NFL, no short QB should ever be drafted again because the only thing that Wilson doesn't have is height. It's nearly impossible to predict QB success in the NFL, though, so who knows.
Bottom line, though, is that he's not in a position to be fantasy relevant for the next couple of years. It's really hard for me to believe that Seattle is going to pay Matt Flynn ~$8M / year to backup Wilson. My hope is that Seattle ends up trading one of the two guys.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I think this is what's being missed, or ignored, by most folks who want to compare Wilson to Troy Smith/Pat White. Wilson can make all the requisite NFL throws. Smith/White(particularly White) can't/couldn't.That said, the height issues are very real and cannot be completely discounted. Wilson looked tremendous last year for the Badgers and equally so in the two years prior for the Woflpack, that can't be denied either, but he won't be facing Big 10+2 and ACC defenders on a weekly basis anymore. Nor will he have Wisconsin's fantastic OL in front of him either. I have no dog in this fight, but I like Wilson. I hope he pans out for some team, I'm just not holding my breath on it. However, the one thing that I think makes him more projectable than the Smiths/Whites of the world is the arm strength/touch. He's short, but he can make all the throws. That is huge.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Im guessing the dump Tjax and keep Flynn, Wilson, and Portis. A lot of people really really like the talent of Portis...but he's raw. I still think Wilson plays a few games this year and goes into next year as the starter. If Portis is ready they will drop Flynn and draft another QB.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
That's the part that always seems to get lost...I think Waldman had the stat in another thread, but I believe his "shortest" lineman at Wisconsin was a 6'4 Center. All of the Centers drafted in the NFL the past five drafts are 6'4 or shorter. While some say he won't have a line like that in the NFL, truth is, he is one of the few we know that can succeed behind an NFL sized line.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
If none work out then their may start to be some issues.'proninja said:
SWC
Bromigo
this guys is going to be one heck of player i saw some stuff about him walking in madison one time and you just knew he was going to be great and he was all year but unfortuntely his d was not the badgers o that he ran was national champion good but the d was only about top 25 maybe good which was the problem not him and monte the td machine ball or nick tuna toon sandwhich that is for sure so take it to the bank swc is behind him so he is a brohan and will tear it up my brothers from various other mothers
breadtree
Footballguy
Hmmm, where did you read/hear that? I was just looking at Waldman's RSP and it gives a lot of individual play details for the first MSU and Oregon games. There's overlap and I didn't take the time to sort that out, but I count 5 step drops as by far the most common, followed by 3 steps, with 1- and 7-step drops being basically tied for 3rd most common.
Warpig
Footballguy
Russell Wilson highlights from last season in Wisconsin.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8r7wLnb1xc&feature=player_embeddedSome notes from watching: His play action? Sick, seems like everyone on D bites. Could be important with Lynch and Turbin. Way faster than I expected. Great pocket skills (granted these are highlights but judging from his numbers, most of his plays were highlights)+ arm strength and touch on his throws.I've also read that Wilson had maybe the biggest hands of any QB in the draft, which can help in rainy Seattle for holding on to the ball. Also, due to his high release point, his release point compares to RGIII and last season he had less passes batted down than Luck and Griffin.The reason he fell in the draft is solely on height but Wilson is superb at finding throwing lanes, something Brees has been able to do in his time in the NFL. I haven't even covered his character yet, he was named team captain within 20 days of being on the Wisonsin football team. One of the huge things Pete Carroll preaches is limiting turnovers and Wilson is a master at this. His freshman year at NC State the dude threw for 17 TDs and 1 INT! Last year, 39 total TDs, 4 INTs.
I must admit I didn't see him play much at all, but from what I've been reading on this kid the ONLY knock on him is his height. But as you mentioned, he has a high to low throwing motion which makes up for his height. Philip Rivers has/had an awkward sidearm throwing motion that people said wouldn't work in the NFL because his passes would get swatted at the line. What's his stat line looked like since coming in to the league?With that said, I just picked him up with the 5.05 pick in a 12 team start 2 QB league. He's being overlooked at the moment, but that may not last if word keeps getting out.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I don't think anyone, besides the management that selected him, thought White would be more than a gimmick. Everyone is saying if you add two measly inches to Wilson's frame, you are looking at a 1st/2nd rounder. I think Wilson is worth a strong look based on that fact that he excelled at two different, big conference colleges...most of the time, a transfer is running from an issue, or trying to find a better program, and all Wilson did was set records at two different big college programs...at the worst, he has proven he can grasp a new concept, which happens all the time in the NFL.
Fantaasy irrelevant.
Smith
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=569728 & http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=577975 among others
White
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=466293 & http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=466116
As usual, very classy intelligent post SL. Just because a guy is not prototypical size, does not mean he can't have success. People prove the "experts" wrong everyday in the NFL. If a guy has the skill set and then you add in hard worker and intelligence, he may end up proving people wrong if given a chance.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Correct, it's a very big obstacle for him to overcome but he has all the skills you would want from a franchise QB. If RG3 were 3" shorter they'd be very comparable prospects, slight edge to RG3 still because of the deep ball accuracy but that's about it.Love Wilson.'Warpig said:
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Did they run 7 step drops at NC State? Legit question (I do not know the answer), but again, he is the only guy in memory to rip it up at two different BCS conference schools...it is kind of my point, in that he seems to be "plug and play"...more so than any other prospect we have seen.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
I'm not sure what they ran at NC State. To be honest, not sure what % seven step drops they ran at WI either. Before the draft they were talking about his chances on ESPN radio in Milwaukee. They said that WI ran more 7 step drops because of his height. Sounds reasonable and that would make sense in order to compensate for it. FWIW I like Wilson and hope he succeeds. I don't see the height being a problem with a good coach. He's got everything else you would want.
bonesman
Footballguy
Date: Wed May 9, 2012
Show: Brock and Salk
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll talks about Russell Wilson's skills, getting the team's 10 draft picks on the practice field, how the NFL's emphasis on player safety affects the future of the game, and more.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=9941444&p=3&n=
pretty good interview... I liked the part where they talked about giving the rooks iPads with a playbook app to save paper.
Show: Brock and Salk
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll talks about Russell Wilson's skills, getting the team's 10 draft picks on the practice field, how the NFL's emphasis on player safety affects the future of the game, and more.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=577&a=9941444&p=3&n=
pretty good interview... I liked the part where they talked about giving the rooks iPads with a playbook app to save paper.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
We are green out here.'bonesman said:
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Do you guys think he is going to get an opportunity in 2012?
Donsmith753
Footballguy
No, not based on what I've read
bonesman
Footballguy
Obviously the odds are against him... but I think he has more of a chance than he's been given in the press so far... though I expect the tables to turn on that front quite rapidly. In fact this article was posted about an hr agoWilson shows few shortcomings
Caroll quote: ""I thought he did really well," head coach Pete Carroll said after practice. "We wore him out. He went all day long and he probably had like 70-something plays today -- he threw the ball a bunch. I thought he handled it really well — not beyond expectations in terms of handling the terminology at the line of scrimmage and the huddle and all of that, that's no big deal to him. He seems like a veteran in that regard. But he threw a lot of really good balls in a lot of tight windows today and did some good stuff. He had a little trouble on the deep ball — the defense played some things well. But all in all, I was really impressed with his first day. I was hoping it would look good, and it did, and he showed us some cool stuff today.""
bengalbuck
Footballguy
The devil is in the details with contracts. The Seahawks could cut Flynn after next season and only be out $10 million. Also, the contract is actually for 3 years $19 million. The rest is in bonuses if he puts up big numbers.Basically, I think Flynn has his shot to take the job and keep it this year. But if he doesn't, the Seahawks can cut bait pretty easily and relatively inexpensively in the grand scheme of things. And even if they don't cut him, Wilson is making less than $1 million a year, they could afford to pay Flynn $6 million per year to back him up. A combined $7 million for your top 2 QBs would be cheaper than pretty much 90% of the teams in the NFL.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
If he is the best in camp he will start
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Call it a hunch but yeah, I do.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
There have been many times in the history of football where the backup is better than the starter.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Name one.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Victor Cruz 2010
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Lol. I meant a quarterback.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
There have also been many times in the history of football where the better player started.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
That is mostly the case, just not always the case.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Kurt Warner 2001
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm fishing actually. I'll stop.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I know. I actually had a lot of examples, but some were debatable like Aaron Rodgers behind Favre. I only threw out examples that were obvious.
