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QB Ryan Tannehill, FA (1 Viewer)

Miami is bad spot. Too good to tank, not good enough to compete. Tannehill probably wins 2-3 more games than Thompson, but what does that get them?

Isn't that why it's a good spot?
Because I don't think Tannehill takes them to the next level. This team wasn't winning it with Tua. They surely aren't winning with Tannehill. At least starting Thompson all year they have a change at a reset in 2025.

Can't say I agree with that...it is week 2 and you have a team with Super Bowl aspirations pre-Tua injury...no way should you be throwing in the towel...that could be a disaster for a franchise that seems to have finally found solid footing...I think you still have to do whatever you can to have a positive season and if they can get competent QB play there is still a chance to make the playoffs which would be a big victory for McDaniels and the overall culture of the franchise going forward...the biggest issue is what happens if Tua is done...that is where some very hard decisions are going to have to be made but for this year you need to see if you can duplicate something like the Browns with Flacco last year.
I didn't put the Dolphins in the conversation for SB contenders. The narrative around McDaniels is that his teams can't beat good teams and his record reflects that. They still had a ways to go to take the next step IMO. Win a playoff game or two and then we can talk SB.

Even this season, they barely beat the Jags (more like the Jags lost) and then were crushed by the Bills. It just feels like more of the same. Tannehill probably gives them a better chance to win, but I also don't know how realistic it is for Tannehill to walk in off the streets and learn the system and be good at it. Flacco was an outlier last year. He was a SB winning QB going to system he knew.

I think it boils down to the fact that I believe Tua is done as a Franchise QB. The Fins without a franchise QB are at best a fringe playoff team. If you want to say picking up Tannehill is the best thing this team can do for this season, you're probably correct. I'm more in the camp of a bandaid QB for this season isn't increasing Miami's contention hopes going forward.

Not to be a pain but I don't understand what your overall point is as far as this year goes...I think everyone agrees that they are not a Super Bowl contender without Tua and the playoffs will be a battle...with him they are a quality team that while not on the level of KC or probably Baltimore they are a legit playoff team who you could see a pathway for...if he is done in week 2 how does it help them as a franchise to throw in the towel? I just don't understand how that is the right move for them...if you get to week 14 and they are 4-10 that is a totally different story but for now they cannot simply say the season is over... that would be a total disaster for the culture of this team by telling them in week 2 you have no faith in them and you would rather move up a few spots in the draft.
Because we're acting like signing Tannehill off the street means more wins or a better culture. I don't think Tannehill is such a talent to elevate this team much if at all. We're still making some logical jumps that he's the type of QB McDaniels even wants. The OL is pretty bad and Tannehill isn't a mobile QB. I don't see not signing him as a sign of giving up. Skyler Thompson earned that backup job and gives them the best chance to win short term. The Dolphins also now get an extended look at Thompson which is a plus. I don't think starting your #2 QB is throwing in the towel, but the truth is his upside, along with the team's upside, is probably limited.

I think in this QB driven league its now becoming obvious the worst thing to be is mediocre without a Franchise QB. That is where the Dolphins are now and signing Tannehill doesn't change that. :shrug:
 
Miami is bad spot. Too good to tank, not good enough to compete. Tannehill probably wins 2-3 more games than Thompson, but what does that get them?

Isn't that why it's a good spot?
Because I don't think Tannehill takes them to the next level. This team wasn't winning it with Tua. They surely aren't winning with Tannehill. At least starting Thompson all year they have a change at a reset in 2025.

Can't say I agree with that...it is week 2 and you have a team with Super Bowl aspirations pre-Tua injury...no way should you be throwing in the towel...that could be a disaster for a franchise that seems to have finally found solid footing...I think you still have to do whatever you can to have a positive season and if they can get competent QB play there is still a chance to make the playoffs which would be a big victory for McDaniels and the overall culture of the franchise going forward...the biggest issue is what happens if Tua is done...that is where some very hard decisions are going to have to be made but for this year you need to see if you can duplicate something like the Browns with Flacco last year.
I didn't put the Dolphins in the conversation for SB contenders. The narrative around McDaniels is that his teams can't beat good teams and his record reflects that. They still had a ways to go to take the next step IMO. Win a playoff game or two and then we can talk SB.

Even this season, they barely beat the Jags (more like the Jags lost) and then were crushed by the Bills. It just feels like more of the same. Tannehill probably gives them a better chance to win, but I also don't know how realistic it is for Tannehill to walk in off the streets and learn the system and be good at it. Flacco was an outlier last year. He was a SB winning QB going to system he knew.

I think it boils down to the fact that I believe Tua is done as a Franchise QB. The Fins without a franchise QB are at best a fringe playoff team. If you want to say picking up Tannehill is the best thing this team can do for this season, you're probably correct. I'm more in the camp of a bandaid QB for this season isn't increasing Miami's contention hopes going forward.

Not to be a pain but I don't understand what your overall point is as far as this year goes...I think everyone agrees that they are not a Super Bowl contender without Tua and the playoffs will be a battle...with him they are a quality team that while not on the level of KC or probably Baltimore they are a legit playoff team who you could see a pathway for...if he is done in week 2 how does it help them as a franchise to throw in the towel? I just don't understand how that is the right move for them...if you get to week 14 and they are 4-10 that is a totally different story but for now they cannot simply say the season is over... that would be a total disaster for the culture of this team by telling them in week 2 you have no faith in them and you would rather move up a few spots in the draft.
Because we're acting like signing Tannehill off the street means more wins or a better culture. I don't think Tannehill is such a talent to elevate this team much if at all. We're still making some logical jumps that he's the type of QB McDaniels even wants. The OL is pretty bad and Tannehill isn't a mobile QB. I don't see not signing him as a sign of giving up. Skyler Thompson earned that backup job and gives them the best chance to win short term. The Dolphins also now get an extended look at Thompson which is a plus. I don't think starting your #2 QB is throwing in the towel, but the truth is his upside, along with the team's upside, is probably limited.

I think in this QB driven league its now becoming obvious the worst thing to be is mediocre without a Franchise QB. That is where the Dolphins are now and signing Tannehill doesn't change that. :shrug:
good points. and Tanehill has actually proven to be one of those QB's who can perform behind a good line, but not behind a poor one.

if I was a team looking at signing a QB if I had a good line, I would have no issue with bringing Tanehill in. if the line is below average I'd question the signing a lot more. Same could be said about Dalton and almost any other veteran backup out there. These guys were good starters when playing behind a good line. when the line was injured or when they lost good O line guys to free agency, their performance took an immediate hit. I've seen it and made note of it.
 
Miami is bad spot. Too good to tank, not good enough to compete. Tannehill probably wins 2-3 more games than Thompson, but what does that get them?

Isn't that why it's a good spot?
Because I don't think Tannehill takes them to the next level. This team wasn't winning it with Tua. They surely aren't winning with Tannehill. At least starting Thompson all year they have a change at a reset in 2025.

Can't say I agree with that...it is week 2 and you have a team with Super Bowl aspirations pre-Tua injury...no way should you be throwing in the towel...that could be a disaster for a franchise that seems to have finally found solid footing...I think you still have to do whatever you can to have a positive season and if they can get competent QB play there is still a chance to make the playoffs which would be a big victory for McDaniels and the overall culture of the franchise going forward...the biggest issue is what happens if Tua is done...that is where some very hard decisions are going to have to be made but for this year you need to see if you can duplicate something like the Browns with Flacco last year.
I didn't put the Dolphins in the conversation for SB contenders. The narrative around McDaniels is that his teams can't beat good teams and his record reflects that. They still had a ways to go to take the next step IMO. Win a playoff game or two and then we can talk SB.

Even this season, they barely beat the Jags (more like the Jags lost) and then were crushed by the Bills. It just feels like more of the same. Tannehill probably gives them a better chance to win, but I also don't know how realistic it is for Tannehill to walk in off the streets and learn the system and be good at it. Flacco was an outlier last year. He was a SB winning QB going to system he knew.

I think it boils down to the fact that I believe Tua is done as a Franchise QB. The Fins without a franchise QB are at best a fringe playoff team. If you want to say picking up Tannehill is the best thing this team can do for this season, you're probably correct. I'm more in the camp of a bandaid QB for this season isn't increasing Miami's contention hopes going forward.

Not to be a pain but I don't understand what your overall point is as far as this year goes...I think everyone agrees that they are not a Super Bowl contender without Tua and the playoffs will be a battle...with him they are a quality team that while not on the level of KC or probably Baltimore they are a legit playoff team who you could see a pathway for...if he is done in week 2 how does it help them as a franchise to throw in the towel? I just don't understand how that is the right move for them...if you get to week 14 and they are 4-10 that is a totally different story but for now they cannot simply say the season is over... that would be a total disaster for the culture of this team by telling them in week 2 you have no faith in them and you would rather move up a few spots in the draft.
Because we're acting like signing Tannehill off the street means more wins or a better culture. I don't think Tannehill is such a talent to elevate this team much if at all. We're still making some logical jumps that he's the type of QB McDaniels even wants. The OL is pretty bad and Tannehill isn't a mobile QB. I don't see not signing him as a sign of giving up. Skyler Thompson earned that backup job and gives them the best chance to win short term. The Dolphins also now get an extended look at Thompson which is a plus. I don't think starting your #2 QB is throwing in the towel, but the truth is his upside, along with the team's upside, is probably limited.

I think in this QB driven league its now becoming obvious the worst thing to be is mediocre without a Franchise QB. That is where the Dolphins are now and signing Tannehill doesn't change that. :shrug:

I think we have a disconnect...if your point is they should go in another direction other than Tannehill I have zero issues with that thinking...my point is they cannot simply give up on the season...if they think Thompson is the answer than go with him but if they don't than they need to do something (and probably need to even if they do believe in Thompson)...Tannehill's name gets thrown around because he is readily available (and since it is week 2 options are very limited) without giving up anything but if they can add another QB without giving up too much that than can compete with Thompson or pass him on the depth chart than they need to do that.
 
I don't know Ryan Tannehill. It's been reported what he wants. Take that for what it's worth. I don't know what he is looking for. I will say, jumping to Miami with what they got on offense would look really good if I was him. Make millions to play QB in Florida? Sign me up
 
I don't know Ryan Tannehill. It's been reported what he wants. Take that for what it's worth. I don't know what he is looking for. I will say, jumping to Miami with what they got on offense would look really good if I was him. Make millions to play QB in Florida? Sign me up
Not sure Miami wants him again. They probably still have vomit taste still in their mouths.
 
If tannehill were going anywhere, the packers made sense until it looks like love will be back.
Miami really doesn’t. Even if you ignore the history.
 
Miami is bad spot. Too good to tank, not good enough to compete. Tannehill probably wins 2-3 more games than Thompson, but what does that get them?

Isn't that why it's a good spot?
Because I don't think Tannehill takes them to the next level. This team wasn't winning it with Tua. They surely aren't winning with Tannehill. At least starting Thompson all year they have a change at a reset in 2025.

Can't say I agree with that...it is week 2 and you have a team with Super Bowl aspirations pre-Tua injury...no way should you be throwing in the towel...that could be a disaster for a franchise that seems to have finally found solid footing...I think you still have to do whatever you can to have a positive season and if they can get competent QB play there is still a chance to make the playoffs which would be a big victory for McDaniels and the overall culture of the franchise going forward...the biggest issue is what happens if Tua is done...that is where some very hard decisions are going to have to be made but for this year you need to see if you can duplicate something like the Browns with Flacco last year.
I didn't put the Dolphins in the conversation for SB contenders. The narrative around McDaniels is that his teams can't beat good teams and his record reflects that. They still had a ways to go to take the next step IMO. Win a playoff game or two and then we can talk SB.

Even this season, they barely beat the Jags (more like the Jags lost) and then were crushed by the Bills. It just feels like more of the same. Tannehill probably gives them a better chance to win, but I also don't know how realistic it is for Tannehill to walk in off the streets and learn the system and be good at it. Flacco was an outlier last year. He was a SB winning QB going to system he knew.

I think it boils down to the fact that I believe Tua is done as a Franchise QB. The Fins without a franchise QB are at best a fringe playoff team. If you want to say picking up Tannehill is the best thing this team can do for this season, you're probably correct. I'm more in the camp of a bandaid QB for this season isn't increasing Miami's contention hopes going forward.

Not to be a pain but I don't understand what your overall point is as far as this year goes...I think everyone agrees that they are not a Super Bowl contender without Tua and the playoffs will be a battle...with him they are a quality team that while not on the level of KC or probably Baltimore they are a legit playoff team who you could see a pathway for...if he is done in week 2 how does it help them as a franchise to throw in the towel? I just don't understand how that is the right move for them...if you get to week 14 and they are 4-10 that is a totally different story but for now they cannot simply say the season is over... that would be a total disaster for the culture of this team by telling them in week 2 you have no faith in them and you would rather move up a few spots in the draft.
Because we're acting like signing Tannehill off the street means more wins or a better culture. I don't think Tannehill is such a talent to elevate this team much if at all. We're still making some logical jumps that he's the type of QB McDaniels even wants. The OL is pretty bad and Tannehill isn't a mobile QB. I don't see not signing him as a sign of giving up. Skyler Thompson earned that backup job and gives them the best chance to win short term. The Dolphins also now get an extended look at Thompson which is a plus. I don't think starting your #2 QB is throwing in the towel, but the truth is his upside, along with the team's upside, is probably limited.

I think in this QB driven league its now becoming obvious the worst thing to be is mediocre without a Franchise QB. That is where the Dolphins are now and signing Tannehill doesn't change that. :shrug:

I think we have a disconnect...if your point is they should go in another direction other than Tannehill I have zero issues with that thinking...my point is they cannot simply give up on the season...if they think Thompson is the answer than go with him but if they don't than they need to do something (and probably need to even if they do believe in Thompson)...Tannehill's name gets thrown around because he is readily available (and since it is week 2 options are very limited) without giving up anything but if they can add another QB without giving up too much that than can compete with Thompson or pass him on the depth chart than they need to do that.
I fully realize an NFL Franchise can't and shouldn't be run like a fantasy team. However, I think the nature of NFL (and all sports to some degree) are changing because I think "giving up on a season" is viewed as a viable strategy. If you want to say this Dolphins team has too much talent to give up, I can understand that position while possibly disagreeing a bit.

We only have to look back at the 2021 Bears team. They we 6-11 and Ryan Poles comes in 2022 and guts the team. He traded or released six pro-bowl players. Including two in-season trades. That was a teardown that resulted in the #1 overall pick. Poles made a couple follow on moves and now the Bears are in great position to be competitive for years. Other owners/GMs saw this and have to at least consider the teardown option.

For the Dolphins, Tannehill will only cost money to bring in so that is a plus. If they are really committed to winning, they need to spend some draft capital to get a better backup/Starter.
 
Miami is bad spot. Too good to tank, not good enough to compete. Tannehill probably wins 2-3 more games than Thompson, but what does that get them?

Isn't that why it's a good spot?
Because I don't think Tannehill takes them to the next level. This team wasn't winning it with Tua. They surely aren't winning with Tannehill. At least starting Thompson all year they have a change at a reset in 2025.

Can't say I agree with that...it is week 2 and you have a team with Super Bowl aspirations pre-Tua injury...no way should you be throwing in the towel...that could be a disaster for a franchise that seems to have finally found solid footing...I think you still have to do whatever you can to have a positive season and if they can get competent QB play there is still a chance to make the playoffs which would be a big victory for McDaniels and the overall culture of the franchise going forward...the biggest issue is what happens if Tua is done...that is where some very hard decisions are going to have to be made but for this year you need to see if you can duplicate something like the Browns with Flacco last year.
I didn't put the Dolphins in the conversation for SB contenders. The narrative around McDaniels is that his teams can't beat good teams and his record reflects that. They still had a ways to go to take the next step IMO. Win a playoff game or two and then we can talk SB.

Even this season, they barely beat the Jags (more like the Jags lost) and then were crushed by the Bills. It just feels like more of the same. Tannehill probably gives them a better chance to win, but I also don't know how realistic it is for Tannehill to walk in off the streets and learn the system and be good at it. Flacco was an outlier last year. He was a SB winning QB going to system he knew.

I think it boils down to the fact that I believe Tua is done as a Franchise QB. The Fins without a franchise QB are at best a fringe playoff team. If you want to say picking up Tannehill is the best thing this team can do for this season, you're probably correct. I'm more in the camp of a bandaid QB for this season isn't increasing Miami's contention hopes going forward.

Not to be a pain but I don't understand what your overall point is as far as this year goes...I think everyone agrees that they are not a Super Bowl contender without Tua and the playoffs will be a battle...with him they are a quality team that while not on the level of KC or probably Baltimore they are a legit playoff team who you could see a pathway for...if he is done in week 2 how does it help them as a franchise to throw in the towel? I just don't understand how that is the right move for them...if you get to week 14 and they are 4-10 that is a totally different story but for now they cannot simply say the season is over... that would be a total disaster for the culture of this team by telling them in week 2 you have no faith in them and you would rather move up a few spots in the draft.
Because we're acting like signing Tannehill off the street means more wins or a better culture. I don't think Tannehill is such a talent to elevate this team much if at all. We're still making some logical jumps that he's the type of QB McDaniels even wants. The OL is pretty bad and Tannehill isn't a mobile QB. I don't see not signing him as a sign of giving up. Skyler Thompson earned that backup job and gives them the best chance to win short term. The Dolphins also now get an extended look at Thompson which is a plus. I don't think starting your #2 QB is throwing in the towel, but the truth is his upside, along with the team's upside, is probably limited.

I think in this QB driven league its now becoming obvious the worst thing to be is mediocre without a Franchise QB. That is where the Dolphins are now and signing Tannehill doesn't change that. :shrug:

I think we have a disconnect...if your point is they should go in another direction other than Tannehill I have zero issues with that thinking...my point is they cannot simply give up on the season...if they think Thompson is the answer than go with him but if they don't than they need to do something (and probably need to even if they do believe in Thompson)...Tannehill's name gets thrown around because he is readily available (and since it is week 2 options are very limited) without giving up anything but if they can add another QB without giving up too much that than can compete with Thompson or pass him on the depth chart than they need to do that.
I fully realize an NFL Franchise can't and shouldn't be run like a fantasy team. However, I think the nature of NFL (and all sports to some degree) are changing because I think "giving up on a season" is viewed as a viable strategy. If you want to say this Dolphins team has too much talent to give up, I can understand that position while possibly disagreeing a bit.

We only have to look back at the 2021 Bears team. They we 6-11 and Ryan Poles comes in 2022 and guts the team. He traded or released six pro-bowl players. Including two in-season trades. That was a teardown that resulted in the #1 overall pick. Poles made a couple follow on moves and now the Bears are in great position to be competitive for years. Other owners/GMs saw this and have to at least consider the teardown option.

For the Dolphins, Tannehill will only cost money to bring in so that is a plus. If they are really committed to winning, they need to spend some draft capital to get a better backup/Starter.

Every situation is different but I think Miami giving up on a season in week 2 would be an absolute culture killer for this franchise that could set them back for a few years...this has been a rocky franchise for a while and they have finally settled things down...they need to continue showing current players they are committed to winning and believe in them and the coaching staff...the last thing they need to do is mail it in than start having locker-room BS or Tyreek Hill saying he wants a trade because at his age he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild...that would be a worst-case scenario for this franchise.
 
I don't know how fast he can pick up the offense but there's certainly things normal coaches could do to simplify things for him.

McDaniel's whole appeal is his creativity and I can't imagine he wants to simplify too much
 
I don't know how fast he can pick up the offense but there's certainly things normal coaches could do to simplify things for him.

McDaniel's whole appeal is his creativity and I can't imagine he wants to simplify too much
Probably better than everyone left.
 
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Whatever happened to Tannehill? Teams need QB's, nobody seems interested, there's no news about him. It's like he just disappeared.
 
Whatever happened to Tannehill? Teams need QB's, nobody seems interested, there's no news about him. It's like he just disappeared.
He said he needed so much money to return and was enjoying retirement. He posted videos of a blessed life for sure.
No one wanted to pay him supposedly 25 mil.
He made 32 his last year and was overpaid as top 3 at his last contract so it's possible that kind of setup unrealistic expectations.
 
hes a solid game manager, but his arm is going.. so the deep ball isnt what it once was for him.

but if all you want is a game manager who will get 240 yards a game and wont throw a ton of INT he may be ok. problem is... most teams dont want that. They want the upside.

and he doesnt really run the ball much either so thats another strike against him. I dont anticipate a return anytime soon.
 
But if all you want is a game manager who will get 240 yards a game and wont throw a ton of INT he may be ok.

Well, Mike Tomlin probably just creamed his Under Armor sweats if he's reading this (he also probably thinks thats 100 yards too much passing, but I digress).
 
I can’t believe he’s still being talked about.
if people are talking about how justin fields deserves to start having aprox 1100 yards passing in 6 starts, then looking at Tannehills stats, you have to believe that Tanehill deserves to start too.

Only reason hes not is because of his age.

but if going that far, Flacco and Andy Dalton also deserve to start. its a slippery slope. Maybe Eli Manning will come out of retirement as well. who knows?
 
I can’t believe he’s still being talked about.
if people are talking about how justin fields deserves to start having aprox 1100 yards passing in 6 starts, then looking at Tannehills stats, you have to believe that Tanehill deserves to start too.

Only reason hes not is because of his age.

but if going that far, Flacco and Andy Dalton also deserve to start. its a slippery slope. Maybe Eli Manning will come out of retirement as well. who knows?
He had two bad years, his last two.
He had reached a peak soon before and I guess people forget.
He-and the Titans- fell real fast
 
I can’t believe he’s still being talked about.
if people are talking about how justin fields deserves to start having aprox 1100 yards passing in 6 starts, then looking at Tannehills stats, you have to believe that Tanehill deserves to start too.

Only reason hes not is because of his age.

but if going that far, Flacco and Andy Dalton also deserve to start. its a slippery slope. Maybe Eli Manning will come out of retirement as well. who knows?
He had two bad years, his last two.
He had reached a peak soon before and I guess people forget.
He-and the Titans- fell real fast
I was joking (mostly)
 
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There will have to be a workout. He lost some zip to his throws. Surely he's healthy but what shape? Whatever else from a year of sitting at his age

(I think travdog had this in Vikes thread just putting it here too)
 

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