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Anyone else heading into the playoffs with an unsettled QB position? I have an otherwise dominant team that has been absolutely snakebitten at QB. Drafted Luck and Palmer, then after they went down have cycled through McCown, Tyrod, Cutler (let us never speak of that one again), then back to Tyrod. And now he appears to be hurt.

Here are some options for widely available QBs with their playoff schedules:

  • McCown (@Den, @NO, LAC): He's been pretty good lately. Schedule isn't great, although what would have looked like the worst matchup a few weeks ago now appears much better with Broncos in free fall. Also, Jets are kind of the perfect team for a fantasy QB: Good enough that they don't get blown out, but also unlikely to cement a game early and spend the whole second half running the ball
  • Flacco (@PIT, @CLE, IND): Good schedule the final two weeks, particularly Cleveland, who's easier to pass on than to run on. And Ravens look to be closing strong. But man, could you ever trust the guy in the playoffs?
  • Bortles (SEA, HOU, @SF): Similar to Flacco: must-avoid next week, good matchups the following two weeks, and a guy I want no part of in the playoffs
  • Garoppolo (@HOU, TENN, JAX): Obviously, you can't start him Week 16, but I like his next two match-ups. Seems to have the highest upside.
  • Gabbert (TENN, @WAS, NYG): Great playoff schedule; there's not a matchup there that scares you, and both NFC East teams seem to be playing out the string. He still is Blaine Gabbert, though
  • The rest (Hundley, Kizer, GSmith, Savage): Hundley has a good matchup vs Cleveland (before presumably giving way to Rodgers), but he's too up and down. Kizer has shown us what he is. Smith and Savage, aside from being terrible, could get benched at any minute. Also, Brissett and Dalton are owned in my league; even if they weren't, I don't love Jacoby's schedule, and Dalton falls into the "Am I really trusting this guy in the playoffs?" grouping.
Right now, thinking of grabbing McCown and Jimmy G for the next couple weeks, then Week 16 decide between McCown and a streamer.

 
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zftcg said:
  • The rest (Hundley, Kizer, Smith, Savage): Hundley has a good matchup vs Cleveland (before presumably giving way to Rodgers), but he's too up and down. Kizer has shown us what he is. Smith and Savage, aside from being terrible, could get benched at any minute. Also, Brissett and Dalton are owned in my league; even if they weren't, I don't love Jacoby's schedule, and Dalton falls into the "Am I really trusting this guy in the playoffs?" grouping.
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I don't think Smith will be benched, and he wasn't the reason the Chiefs lost this past weekend.

 
simey said:
I don't think Smith will be benched, and he wasn't the reason the Chiefs lost this past weekend.
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Sorry, meant Geno. I assume Alex is owned (and yes, I don't think he will be benched).

I'll fix the OP to clarify.

 
Magic_Man said:
I have Goff, McCown & Rivers in 1 league & don't know who I am going with for weeks 15 & 16
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Rivers is playing well and has great match-ups ROS. You have to start him vs KC, and Jets certainly don't scare anyone. If I were you, I'd ride the hot hand.

 
zftcg said:
McCown (@Den, @NO, LAC): He's been pretty good lately. Schedule isn't great, although what would have looked like the worst matchup a few weeks ago now appears much better with Broncos in free fall. Also, Jets are kind of the perfect team for a fantasy QB: Good enough that they don't get blown out, but also unlikely to cement a game early and spend the whole second half running the ball
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Thinking about this some more, I wonder how much the Broncos performance yesterday was about the team falling apart and how much was Talib being out. I mean, obviously both contributed, but I'm not sure you can expect them to roll over vs. Jets. Also, other than Brady and Wentz, no QBs have really lit up the Broncos this year.

I think McCown vs. Jimmy G is a real debate.

 
I’ve got Bortles stashed for week 16. Other option is Dak in Seattle. I want no part of that. 

 
zftcg said:
I get it, but playing for the 'ship with Blake Bortles? That's a glory play right there.
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I know. It’s cringeworthy. Waiver wire is bare and i missed out on keenum and McCown due to my belief in tyrod. I’m hoping a few QBs are dropped this week. 

 
McCown's schedule is pretty brutal. I still don't think DEN is a good match-up and I don't think NO and LAC are good match-ups either. I'm sure he could do fine but they just don't look very attackable to me.

Bortles oddly buoy's his floor with rushing attempts/yards. I also don't think SEA at home is a must avoid either. Before the PHI game they had given up the 13th most ppg to QBs over the past 5 weeks and Wetnz did go 349/1/1 and rushed for 30 yards vs. them. 

Garoppolo is definitely interesting, he has some good match-ups over the next 2 weeks.

I don't trust Flacco or Gabbert to any extent.

 
zftcg said:
Rivers is playing well and has great match-ups ROS. You have to start him vs KC, and Jets certainly don't scare anyone. If I were you, I'd ride the hot hand.
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Rivers crapped the bed for his juicy Cleveland match up while McCown went off on my bench so...

 
zftcg said:
I get it, but playing for the 'ship with Blake Bortles? That's a glory play right there.
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I did it in 2015-benched Cam and started Bortles for the win.  Can't say I recommend it this year.  I have Cousins this week and am scared of starting him.  Thinking of grabbing Dak off waivers against the lowly gints.

 
SameSongNDance said:
McCown's schedule is pretty brutal. I still don't think DEN is a good match-up and I don't think NO and LAC are good match-ups either. I'm sure he could do fine but they just don't look very attackable to me.

Bortles oddly buoy's his floor with rushing attempts/yards. I also don't think SEA at home is a must avoid either. Before the PHI game they had given up the 13th most ppg to QBs over the past 5 weeks and Wetnz did go 349/1/1 and rushed for 30 yards vs. them. 

Garoppolo is definitely interesting, he has some good match-ups over the next 2 weeks.

I don't trust Flacco or Gabbert to any extent.
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This is an extended metaphor, but stick with me ...

A dozen or so years ago, at the low point of the Iraq War, a magazine devoted an entire issue to soliciting opinions from across the political spectrum about what we should do: support the Shiites, arm the Kurds, split the country up, declare victory and go home, etc. I don't know if this was the editors' intent, but they ended up making a larger meta-point about human decision-making and rationalization.

Here's what I mean: The first essay would say, "Options A, B, C and D would be a complete disaster. So our only alternative is Option E." The next essay would say, "Options B, C, D and E would be terrible. We have to go with Option A," and so on. By the time I finished reading the whole issue, I was thoroughly convinced that all of the authors were right. Which also meant they were all wrong.

That's essentially the situation we're facing with these QB streamers. Whoever you're excited about starting, I could make a strong case that you'd be nuts to use him: "He's got tough match-ups." "He still barely knows the system." "He's Blaine Gabbert." Ultimately, there's no "right" answer. You just have to pick whatever you feel comfortable with and go with it.

For what it's worth, I listened to a few different podcasts today that discussed streaming options. A couple were high on McCown, but JJ Zachariason, whose opinion I really trust, specifically mentioned him as a sell based on his playoff match-ups and talked up Gabbert for this week based on his recent play as well as his match-up at home vs Tenn.

 
zftcg said:
Garoppolo (@HOU, TENN, JAX): Obviously, you can't start him Week 16, but I like his next two match-ups. Seems to have the highest upside.
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Almost 300 yards his first game in. He just needs a couple TDs to be a worthy start in a great matchup.

 
zftcg said:
For what it's worth, I listened to a few different podcasts today that discussed streaming options. A couple were high on McCown, but JJ Zachariason, whose opinion I really trust, specifically mentioned him as a sell based on his playoff match-ups and talked up Gabbert for this week based on his recent play as well as his match-up at home vs Tenn.
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So he advocates NOT starting McCown weeks 14 through 16?

 
Magic_Man said:
So he advocates NOT starting McCown weeks 14 through 16?
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Here's what he said:

Sell Josh McCown

Nothing gets me more excited than nuggets like this: During this 2017 fantasy football season, Josh McCown, through Week 13, has scored more fantasy points than Drew Brees.

Hell. Yes.

McCown's been on a tear, ranking as a top-seven quarterback in five of his last seven games. Matt Ryan hasn't even done that once this year. (I also live for nuggets like that one.) But, unfortunately, the honeymoon may be ending soon for McCown. Over the team's next three games, they'll face the Broncos and Saints on the road, followed by a contest against the Chargers to close out the season.

While Denver's given up a ton of passing touchdowns, they've also allowed the fifth-fewest passing yards, which screams regression. The Saints should be at full strength in the secondary by Week 15, and the Chargers, as mentioned earlier, have one of the best secondaries in football. It could be tough for McCown from here on out.
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Almost 300 yards his first game in. He just needs a couple TDs to be a worthy start in a great matchup.
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Yeah, at this point I'm deciding between Jimmy and Gabbert. Gabbert has better weapons, but Jimmy has a better match-up and is (I think) a better QB, although I guess we still don't know that for sure.

 
Mariota has frustrated me all season.  I picked up Gabbert for this week and (gulp) B. Bortles for weeks 15 and 16.

 
Cousins has been less than stellar lately.  Anyone benching him for some of these streaming options this week?

 
DarkKnightsGuru said:
so you would start him over Jimmy G juicy match up this week vs Hou 
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I wish I had that option. Keenum is long gone in my league. I may start Jimmy, but if Keenum were out there I'd use him in a second. The dude is on fire (and has much better weapons).

Also, Carolina's D is good but they're not Jacksonville.

 
Jimmy week 14

Bortles week 15 &16

Sure it'd be nice up have Brady, Wilson, or even a Goff to plug and play the last few weeks, but if you're streaming those aren't options. Blake and Jimmy probably are, and their matchups are so juicy I won't be surprised if they finish top 5 in their respective weeks. 

 
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Was going to try and ride the storm with Mariota but my team doesn’t have enough for his mediocre play right now. I’m going with boom/bust of Garrapolo over the Titans offense trying to play like it’s 1982.

 
Grabbed Winston (Lord have mercy) this week to start over Dak and McCown. Jimmy G is also available and I'm debating grabbing him... Why did you do this to me Dak.

 
Have ability to grab Jimmy G, Kizer or Dak to play over Cousins in a very difficult match-up at LAC .  Thinking Jimmy G due to Houston giving up the most points to QB's.  I'm more than a little skeptical with putting the fate of my playoff run on this guy, but, #### it.

 
zftcg said:
I wish I had that option. Keenum is long gone in my league. I may start Jimmy, but if Keenum were out there I'd use him in a second. The dude is on fire (and has much better weapons).

Also, Carolina's D is good but they're not Jacksonville.
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I may in fact bench Brees for Keenum, particularly after reading about an interview where Brees expressed his dislike of Thursday games. 

I wouldn't bench someone with stud production for a streamer. On the other hand, a lot of us need to ask ourselves whether our studs are really studs. 

 
It's funny, the whole reason I started this thread was because Tyrod got injured and I was thinking about replacements. But now it's looking like he might actually play.

So, other Tyrod owners, what are you doing if he's out there? Obviously, a lot will depend on how limited he is. Still, I'm thinking that Jimmy G is the better play regardless. I'm a solid favorite this week, and the one thing I need to avoid is a total implosion, which is what I've gotten from Tyrod twice in the past month.

 
I'm starting Jimmy G over the following players, with some confidence that he will create the most points:

Bortles, Winston, Manning, Gabbert, Dalton, Kizer and a host of other scrubs.

I only need him to keep me alive for one week before Aaron Rodgers rides in to save the day.

 
Frank Black said:
I may in fact bench Brees for Keenum, particularly after reading about an interview where Brees expressed his dislike of Thursday games. 
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Remember a couple of weeks back when people were predicting Keenum would get pulled for Bridgewater?  Good times.

 
So how did everyone do? Kizer and Bortles were the big winners. I went with Jimmy G, who did just enough to get me through. God help me, I'm thinking about riding with Bortles the rest of the way. He's been putting up solid numbers for the past month, and he finishes with two great matchups.

 
Gotta add Foles to list, good matchups the next two weeks...  As a Wentz owner, I was looking forward to them. 

I picked up Bortles moments after the Wentz injury...before Foles started throwing dimes.

 
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TripleThreat said:
Gotta add Foles to list, good matchups the next two weeks...  As a Wentz owner, I was looking forward to them. 

I picked up Bortles moments after the Wentz injury...before Foles started throwing dimes.
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Yes, in the league where I own Wentz I'm targeting Foles and Jimmy, in that order (Bortles is already owned).

I must say, I've never been a "take Rodgers in the 2nd round" kind of guy, but I've also never reached the semis in two leagues with both QB situations so unsettled.

 
zftcg said:
So how did everyone do? Kizer and Bortles were the big winners. I went with Jimmy G, who did just enough to get me through. God help me, I'm thinking about riding with Bortles the rest of the way. He's been putting up solid numbers for the past month, and he finishes with two great matchups.
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Pulled Kizer in all 3 last minute due to getting cold feet (and weather conditions) in favor of Dalton, Dalton, and Jimmy.  Yesterday was the worst football day of my life.

 
Debating between Bortles and Jimmy G this week. Weirdly enough, I see Blake as the higher ceiling option, given his matchup and recent performance. But I could also see Jacksonville playing it super conservative and pounding Houston into submission. Since I'm the favorite, I feel like Jimmy might be the safer, smarter play.

 
I opted to grab Foles over Bortles.  Only TDs count for QBs in this particular format and I don't trust Bortles in that regard.

-QG

 
For people considering Bortles, how does Fournette's potential absence affect your thinking? Does it mean they'll have to rely on the pass more? Does it hurt their overall efficiency? No difference?

Thought I had settled on Jimmy, but now I'm wavering.

 
zftcg said:
For people considering Bortles, how does Fournette's potential absence affect your thinking? Does it mean they'll have to rely on the pass more? Does it hurt their overall efficiency? No difference?

Thought I had settled on Jimmy, but now I'm wavering.
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forget it now, looks like no Nuk for Houston, so any chance at that game being even remotely competitive just got ... well, Nuked.

there has to be some resistance from Houston to keep Bottles relevant, and it just waved by-bye.

 
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Anyone else facing a Bortles/Foles dilemma this week? Both have good matchups and are likely to face a positive gamescript (for better or for worse). In Foles' favor, he has better weapons. But they played it fairly conservative with him last week, and in a game where they don't find themselves down two TDs early, I could see them holding him much more in check.

As for Bortles, he has a longer track record (relatively speaking) in that he's been putting up solid production for the past month. The big worry is that they get Fournette back and lean more on him. Remember, Marrone said at the beginning of the season that he'd love it if Bortles threw zero passes. Obviously, it hasn't played out that way, but nor do I think it's realistic for Bortles to put up 326/3/0 in every Jax blowout. Remember, before this three-game hot streak, he had exactly one multi-TD game all year.

(Actually, looking at his game log, one thing that's interesting is that, other than the first game against Houston and the Steelers game, he's generally put up his best numbers in Jax blowouts. In games they've won by more than two TDs, he's averaged 245 a game with a 14/1 TD/INT ratio).

 
The worry with Foles is that with the division locked up there's going to be a lot of pressure to keep him from being put in a position where he might get hit.  If Nate Sudfeld has to start a playoff game, there will be a lot of questions asked in Philly.

 
Had Wentz, started Mariota last week but don't like him this week. Going to pick up Foles for my championship game and pray he plays the whole game.

 
Statorama said:
The worry with Foles is that with the division locked up there's going to be a lot of pressure to keep him from being put in a position where he might get hit.  If Nate Sudfeld has to start a playoff game, there will be a lot of questions asked in Philly.
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Now that Rodgers is heading to IR, Minnesota will be an overwhelming favorite Saturday night. If they win, Eagles need to beat Raiders to clinch home-field. So the risk of Foles sitting is lessened. Still do think there's a chance that Eagles play more conservative if they do get up.

 
zftcg said:
Now that Rodgers is heading to IR, Minnesota will be an overwhelming favorite Saturday night. If they win, Eagles need to beat Raiders to clinch home-field. So the risk of Foles sitting is lessened. Still do think there's a chance that Eagles play more conservative if they do get up.
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