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This I can get on board with. I still tend to think he is a franchise NFL qb and will not slip out of the first round. Sometimes NFL GM's whiff as they over think things. Russel Wilson slipped as the negatives were stacked up against him as well.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm not sure if Teddy is a franchise caliber guy to be honest. I've got concerns. He's probably a top 10 pick due to QB demand. None the less, he's the top QB in this draft IMO.
There was a QB demand last year and only one went in the first round. I think teams are learning from the Gabbert/Ponder type mistakes.
Bridgewater is better than anyone in last years group so it shouldn't matter much for him.
He's best all-around QB IMO. I can see him as a good starter even if he never becomes elite.
I agree. If Manziel "hits" then he's going to be a commodity. But what about if Bridgewater "hits" too? I think for all the talk of Manziel hitting people are kind of discounted the upside of Bridgewater. For instance, I think Manziel's upside is between Russell Wilson and Michael Vick. I'd put Bridgewater's Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers.
I agree with this assessment. From a practical standpoint, Teddy Bridgewater is the high floor, lower ceiling guy. If I'm an NFL GM and I need an upgrade at QB, there's no doubt that Bridgewater can provide a quick return on investment. He's got a skill set that is hard to see busting at the next level, and will be at least a competent game manager. But that's not too exciting for fantasy, where he's with the Sam Bradford and maybe Andy Dalton tier. QB2 with low QB1 upside.
I don't necessarily think Bridgewater's ceiling is lower than Manziel. He's not limited in any way really. Not sure why this is assumed.
Despite the interesting link that Faust put up yesterday explaining why Bridgewater's deep ball accuracy is underrated, I've seen plenty of tape on Bridgewater that tells me he doesn't have the gun to make defenses pay for crowding the LOS. He's too in love with the intermediate and short game. And that's fine, he's excellent there. But at the next level, coordinators can game plan for those short game tendencies and force him out of his comfort zone. From a non-fantasy, NFL perspective, I like Teddy B the best of all the QB's. But to me his upside is Andy Dalton. Sorry, but I can't get excited about Andy Dalton in fantasy. He can lead your favorite team to the playoffs, but he's not going to win you any fantasy football league championships.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was a knock on Matt Ryan coming out of BC and there was even some minor criticism of Luck at Stanford for relying too much on shorter throws when that was just what their offense was built around. I wouldn't be surprised if that is something Teddy shows differently at the next level.
You may be right, and I personally have only a hair's difference between both of them. I'm assuming extra points from rushing for Manziel which has helped even mediocre QBs have extra value for FF. Also, I think Manziel has a slightly better arm. But I do agree with your post further up that Bridgewater's ceiling could be Rodgers. I think Manziel's perceived value, if not his combined production, could be something like RG3's rookie season; I think that's the image that sticks in my mind, even if their games are pretty different.
If he lands in a good situation, I think Dalton is TB's upside during his rookie year and his floor once he hits his stride.
I think he'll be solid and really think he's got a solid stable floor. Maybe I could push his upside to Matt Ryan if he has the right weapons around him, but I'm sorry that I don't share your optimism that he will ever be as good as a Peyton (or Brady). I'm not seeing that. But then again, I don't consider Ryan an "elite" QB the way some people do.
Really? I thought the Raiders managed an interview with him after his pro day workout? In any case, there has been a lot of scuttlebutt about how Bridgewater didn't handle his interviews well. Had a lot of scouts shaking their head. I don't have any details or links to that, just what I've heard. I am thinking there's too much smoke to just be a smokescreen. I expect Bridgewater to fall deep into the mid or even late first round.LawFitz said:Jordan Matthews visiting today.
My wet dream...
1.5 Teddy Bridgewater
2.5 Jordan Matthews
Sadly though, we've had visits from Carr, Manziel and Bortles, but not Teddy. Either that's a smokescreen or the Raiders have decided they're not interested.
With all the noise being said about him, he's guarantee that he'll be a top 10 pick.Really? I thought the Raiders managed an interview with him after his pro day workout? In any case, there has been a lot of scuttlebutt about how Bridgewater didn't handle his interviews well. Had a lot of scouts shaking their head. I don't have any details or links to that, just what I've heard. I am thinking there's too much smoke to just be a smokescreen. I expect Bridgewater to fall deep into the mid or even late first round.LawFitz said:Jordan Matthews visiting today.
My wet dream...
1.5 Teddy Bridgewater
2.5 Jordan Matthews
Sadly though, we've had visits from Carr, Manziel and Bortles, but not Teddy. Either that's a smokescreen or the Raiders have decided they're not interested.
Sorry that post was meant for the Raiders thread. Deleted it here and posted it there.Really? I thought the Raiders managed an interview with him after his pro day workout? In any case, there has been a lot of scuttlebutt about how Bridgewater didn't handle his interviews well. Had a lot of scouts shaking their head. I don't have any details or links to that, just what I've heard. I am thinking there's too much smoke to just be a smokescreen. I expect Bridgewater to fall deep into the mid or even late first round.LawFitz said:Jordan Matthews visiting today.
My wet dream...
1.5 Teddy Bridgewater
2.5 Jordan Matthews
Sadly though, we've had visits from Carr, Manziel and Bortles, but not Teddy. Either that's a smokescreen or the Raiders have decided they're not interested.
I can't access youtube from here, but last night live on youtube, Sigmund Bloom and some of his pals conducted a live mock draft. I don't remember the other guys names, (bleacher report NFL writers) but they mentioned Bridgewater's interview problems like it was common knowledge. FWIW, in that draft, Bridgewater fell to the Jets and everyone seemed to be ok with that even though they just drafted Geno last year. I'm not buying that move by the Jets though.Sorry that post was meant for the Raiders thread. Deleted it here and posted it there.Really? I thought the Raiders managed an interview with him after his pro day workout? In any case, there has been a lot of scuttlebutt about how Bridgewater didn't handle his interviews well. Had a lot of scouts shaking their head. I don't have any details or links to that, just what I've heard. I am thinking there's too much smoke to just be a smokescreen. I expect Bridgewater to fall deep into the mid or even late first round.LawFitz said:Jordan Matthews visiting today.
My wet dream...
1.5 Teddy Bridgewater
2.5 Jordan Matthews
Sadly though, we've had visits from Carr, Manziel and Bortles, but not Teddy. Either that's a smokescreen or the Raiders have decided they're not interested.
That said, can you provide link(s) for the bolded. I haven't read that anywhere. Just some BS Chris Mortensen tripe that his private workouts haven't been going well, which was later debunked (he had only one private workout at that point, and it did go well).
The same way coordinators game plan for the short game tendencies of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady?
Last year at this time everyone was talking about Geno Smith about a top 10 pick and possibly #1 overall. He went middle of round two.
Yeah, and as a Teddy Bridgewater fan who thinks he's nothing like Geno, I hope against hope that he somehow falls to the early second round.
I am a Brees owner looking for his eventual successor. I own picks 1.1, 1.8 and 1.9 in my rookie draft and am strongly considering Manziel and Bridgewater at 1.8 and 1.9 if they are there, hoping one of them hit big. I am afraid both will be gone by middle of the 2nd........
In most formats, I'd be fine taking him with an early 2nd. If he falls as projected, given the strong class, he could fall to the 3rd round of some rookie drafts. If I can get him there--that's a big win, imo.
I believe that one team can sustain a smokescreen (like potentially the Rams leading teams to believe they're going to draft a QB or Clowney so that someone will trade up and they can still get an OT and more picks) but I don't believe the whole league can keep up something like this. That being said, it only takes one team to like him to take him.
Ok, fine, so what? Luck would get drafted 100 times out of 100 over Aaron Rodgers, who didn't look like an elite passer in college either.
