QB Teddy Bridgewater (2 Viewers)

[Andy Dufresne]

Rick Spielman - Has clearly showed he's willing to make the ballsy decisions to try and bring this team back to it's former greatness. He's definitely one of the 'up and coming' GM's in my mind. With what he's done so far I can see us talking about him in the same vein as your Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome's of the world in 4-5 seasons.

That post overall is good, but this...

 

[Khy]

Rick Spielman - Has clearly showed he's willing to make the ballsy decisions to try and bring this team back to it's former greatness. He's definitely one of the 'up and coming' GM's in my mind. With what he's done so far I can see us talking about him in the same vein as your Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome's of the world in 4-5 seasons.

That post overall is good, but this...

Are you denying that he's made some great moves since taking over as GM? Or getting butthurt that I said that I can see the potential of us talking about him with the top GMs in the NFL in the next half a decade? If it's the former, I'd love some actual reasoning as to why and if it's the later... relax. I didn't crown him anything yet, I'm simply saying I've loved what Spielman has done since taking over and I can see a scenario where in a few years we're regarding him as one of the best GMs in the league.

 

[MAC_32]

Rick Spielman - Has clearly showed he's willing to make the ballsy decisions to try and bring this team back to it's former greatness. He's definitely one of the 'up and coming' GM's in my mind. With what he's done so far I can see us talking about him in the same vein as your Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome's of the world in 4-5 seasons.

That post overall is good, but this...

Are you denying that he's made some great moves since taking over as GM? Or getting butthurt that I said that I can see the potential of us talking about him with the top GMs in the NFL in the next half a decade? If it's the former, I'd love some actual reasoning as to why and if it's the later... relax. I didn't crown him anything yet, I'm simply saying I've loved what Spielman has done since taking over and I can see a scenario where in a few years we're regarding him as one of the best GMs in the league.

I thought Spielman has done a terrible job as a GM. He just got bailed out by Favre and a record breaking season from Peterson.

That tune may change now because I think he nailed this QB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Rick Spielman - Has clearly showed he's willing to make the ballsy decisions to try and bring this team back to it's former greatness. He's definitely one of the 'up and coming' GM's in my mind. With what he's done so far I can see us talking about him in the same vein as your Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome's of the world in 4-5 seasons.

That post overall is good, but this...

Are you denying that he's made some great moves since taking over as GM? Or getting butthurt that I said that I can see the potential of us talking about him with the top GMs in the NFL in the next half a decade? If it's the former, I'd love some actual reasoning as to why and if it's the later... relax. I didn't crown him anything yet, I'm simply saying I've loved what Spielman has done since taking over and I can see a scenario where in a few years we're regarding him as one of the best GMs in the league.

Sorry you can't handle anything but fawning.

 

[John 14:6]

Remind me never to disagree with Khy.

 

[Khy]

Rick Spielman - Has clearly showed he's willing to make the ballsy decisions to try and bring this team back to it's former greatness. He's definitely one of the 'up and coming' GM's in my mind. With what he's done so far I can see us talking about him in the same vein as your Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome's of the world in 4-5 seasons.

That post overall is good, but this...

Are you denying that he's made some great moves since taking over as GM? Or getting butthurt that I said that I can see the potential of us talking about him with the top GMs in the NFL in the next half a decade? If it's the former, I'd love some actual reasoning as to why and if it's the later... relax. I didn't crown him anything yet, I'm simply saying I've loved what Spielman has done since taking over and I can see a scenario where in a few years we're regarding him as one of the best GMs in the league.

I thought Spielman has done a terrible job as a GM. He just got bailed out by Favre and a record breaking season from Peterson.

That tune may change now because I think he nailed this QB.

First things first, he's only been the GM since 2012. Favre hasn't played a down of football since 2010. Prior to being GM he was the VP of Player Personnel which I guess he was part of the draft process? But not final say, he was part of the draft process but the VIkings hadn't had a real GM since the 80s. Up until 2012 with the promotion of Spielman the coaches had final say in drafting players. So really his only 'legitimate' evaluation period should start during the 2012 off-season as prior to that you had guys like Leslie Fraizer making all the final decisions on which players to draft, cut, sign etc.

Rick Spielman - Has clearly showed he's willing to make the ballsy decisions to try and bring this team back to it's former greatness. He's definitely one of the 'up and coming' GM's in my mind. With what he's done so far I can see us talking about him in the same vein as your Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome's of the world in 4-5 seasons.

That post overall is good, but this...

Are you denying that he's made some great moves since taking over as GM? Or getting butthurt that I said that I can see the potential of us talking about him with the top GMs in the NFL in the next half a decade? If it's the former, I'd love some actual reasoning as to why and if it's the later... relax. I didn't crown him anything yet, I'm simply saying I've loved what Spielman has done since taking over and I can see a scenario where in a few years we're regarding him as one of the best GMs in the league.

Sorry you can't handle anything but fawning.

That's not what I was saying, I'm just a little sick of people on these boards making points but not really backing them up with any form of counter argument short of "Ummm, no". Which is more or less what you did. I can handle a counter argument if there is one, but saying "But this..." isn't really a counter argument so much as it is just saying "Nope, your wrong, sorry!" which doesn't really help a conversation. Again, I just feel like Spielman's had some good drafts since taking over in 2012, if you'd like to rebut that; please by all means do so. But don't just say "Ummm no".

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No. I don't think Spielman's drafts have been very special.

It's just an opinion. And I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

The thing that's tiresome around here is the idea that you can't give an opinion without coming with charts, graphs, and statistical deviation from the mean analyses.

 

[MAC_32]

No. I don't think Spielman's drafts have been very special.

It's just an opinion. And I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

The thing that's tiresome around here is the idea that you can't give an opinion without coming with charts, graphs, and statistical deviation from the mean analyses.

He's picked some good players at the top of drafts where you're supposed to find good players and has been a part of a management team that has been largely unsuccessful for years. Like the direction he's going? Cool. Beat the best GM in the game drum right now? You're nuts. And you're certifiable if you think people who think otherwise are wrong to question that.

 

[jurb26]

Minn drafts since 2012 for context.

2014 - MINNESOTA VIKINGS

1 9 Anthony Barr OLB UCLA

1 32 Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville

3 72 Scott Crichton DE Oregon State

3 96 Jerick McKinnon RB Georgia Southern

5 145 David Yankey G Stanford

6 182 Antone Exum CB Virginia Tech

6 184 Kendall James DB Maine

7 220 Shamar Stephen DT Connecticut

7 223 Brandon Watts LB Georgia Tech

7 225 Jabari Price DB North Carolina

2013 - MINNESOTA VIKINGS

1 23 Sharrif Floyd DT Florida

1 25 Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State

1 29 Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee

4 120 Gerald Hodges OLB Penn State

5 155 Jeff Locke P UCLA

6 196 Jeff Baca OG UCLA

7 213 Michael Mauti ILB Penn State

7 214 Travis Bond OG North Carolina

7 229 Everett Dawkins DT Florida State

2012 - MINNESOTA VIKINGS

1 4 Matt Kalil T USC

1 29 Harrison Smith DB Notre Dame

3 66 Josh Robinson CB Central Florida

4 118 Jarius Wright WR Arkansas

4 128 Rhett Ellison TE USC

4 134 Greg Childs WR Arkansas

5 139 Robert Blanton CB Notre Dame

6 175 Blair Walsh K Georgia

7 210 Audie Cole LB North Carolina State

7 219 Trevor Guyton DT California

I see a lot of picks I like here but in reality it's just far to early to call this thing one way or the other. I think if you like what he's done then you probably agreed with his picks based on how you felt about them prior. If you don't like his picks then you probably disagreed with the players prior. Probably a lot of seeing what we want to see at the moment.

 

[Khy]

No. I don't think Spielman's drafts have been very special.

It's just an opinion. And I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

The thing that's tiresome around here is the idea that you can't give an opinion without coming with charts, graphs, and statistical deviation from the mean analyses.

He's picked some good players at the top of drafts where you're supposed to find good players and has been a part of a management team that has been largely unsuccessful for years. Like the direction he's going? Cool. Beat the best GM in the game drum right now? You're nuts. And you're certifiable if you think people who think otherwise are wrong to question that.

No, your opinion is fine. But again something as simple as "I agreed with the whole post but I think our opinions differ on Spielman, wasn't that big a fan of his drafts since taking over as GM" is a lot better than "But this...".

As for me saying he's the best GM right now? I never said that... all I actually said was I love the direction he's going since taking over as GM and I could see a scenario where in 5-10 years we're putting him up there with the great ones in the league. That isn't really nuts or that ridiculous. If you look at this team and can't see a scenario where they're a super bowl contender in a couple years I think you're either blind or ignorant. And if they are a contender in a few years than you'd have to look at it and say "The Team That Spielman Built" cause there was nothing here before him besides AP.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No. I don't think Spielman's drafts have been very special.

It's just an opinion. And I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

The thing that's tiresome around here is the idea that you can't give an opinion without coming with charts, graphs, and statistical deviation from the mean analyses.

He's picked some good players at the top of drafts where you're supposed to find good players and has been a part of a management team that has been largely unsuccessful for years. Like the direction he's going? Cool. Beat the best GM in the game drum right now? You're nuts. And you're certifiable if you think people who think otherwise are wrong to question that.

No, your opinion is fine. But again something as simple as "I agreed with the whole post but I think our opinions differ on Spielman, wasn't that big a fan of his drafts since taking over as GM" is a lot better than "But this...".

As for me saying he's the best GM right now? I never said that... all I actually said was I love the direction he's going since taking over as GM and I could see a scenario where in 5-10 years we're putting him up there with the great ones in the league. That isn't really nuts or that ridiculous. If you look at this team and can't see a scenario where they're a super bowl contender in a couple years I think you're either blind or ignorant. And if they are a contender in a few years than you'd have to look at it and say "The Team That Spielman Built" cause there was nothing here before him besides AP.

Yeah...no.

 

[Khy]

No. I don't think Spielman's drafts have been very special.

It's just an opinion. And I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

The thing that's tiresome around here is the idea that you can't give an opinion without coming with charts, graphs, and statistical deviation from the mean analyses.

He's picked some good players at the top of drafts where you're supposed to find good players and has been a part of a management team that has been largely unsuccessful for years. Like the direction he's going? Cool. Beat the best GM in the game drum right now? You're nuts. And you're certifiable if you think people who think otherwise are wrong to question that.

No, your opinion is fine. But again something as simple as "I agreed with the whole post but I think our opinions differ on Spielman, wasn't that big a fan of his drafts since taking over as GM" is a lot better than "But this...".

As for me saying he's the best GM right now? I never said that... all I actually said was I love the direction he's going since taking over as GM and I could see a scenario where in 5-10 years we're putting him up there with the great ones in the league. That isn't really nuts or that ridiculous. If you look at this team and can't see a scenario where they're a super bowl contender in a couple years I think you're either blind or ignorant. And if they are a contender in a few years than you'd have to look at it and say "The Team That Spielman Built" cause there was nothing here before him besides AP.

Yeah...no.

Really brilliant analysis there champ

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Mike Zimmer reiterated that he's not afraid to start first-round QB Teddy Bridgewater in Week 1.

Matt Cassel took the majority of first-team reps at minicamp and will enter camp as the solid favorite to start on Opening Day. But there's going to be a real competition. "The one thing we never want to do is hold back progress here," Zimmer said. "We want to keep progressing, whether it’s playing younger guys or getting better out on the field." Zimmer was in Cincy when they started Andy Dalton as a second-round rookie.

Related: Matt Cassel

Source: ESPN.com

Jun 23 - 8:10 AM

 

[SelenaCat]

What's a realistic prediction of Teddy's value over the next couple of years? Is he capable of cracking the top-10 in 2015 or 2016? Top-20? Or is he more likely to be backup material even in 2QB dynasty leagues?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Over the next couple years? I don't think he can be top 10 if for no other reason than that the Vikes are going to play outside in TCF Bank stadium for the next two years.

But I expect in the next couple years TD numbers in the mid 20's and INT's in the low teens. Yardage will be somewhere around 3500.

 

[Khy]

What's a realistic prediction of Teddy's value over the next couple of years? Is he capable of cracking the top-10 in 2015 or 2016? Top-20? Or is he more likely to be backup material even in 2QB dynasty leagues?

I like his chances if Norv sticks around for more than a year.

Over the last 5 seasons here are the stats on Norv Turner offenses:

Attempts Yardage Scoring

681 4040 26

528 3295 26

582 4426 27

544 4519 30

519 4338 29

Averaged: 571 Attempts, 4123 Yards, 27.6 TDs

Now, I'm not saying that will be his immediate production. That said, he's better than anything happening on the Browns last season and even they added up for 4000 yards and 26 TDs. Granted, the Vikes won't pass 681 times this year, but that said Teddy should be A LOT more effective as a passer than Hoyer and Weeden were last year. The big thing missing from these numbers is in the past 5 years, Norv didn't have a RB of AD's talent. You figure AD has at least one more elite year, possibly two, unlikely more than that. Six years ago was LT's last year in SD, I think his time there will give us a good idea on the numbers to expect in 2014. He was also in SF in 2006 when Alex Smith teamed up with Frank Gore in his prime. So we have three years of data of Norv with an elite RB and a young QB... I think that will be a good average on what to expect for Teddy for this year (if he gets the Week 1 start) and next season.

Attempts Yardage Scoring

478 3858 34

471 3005 22

444 2685 16

Averaged: 464 Attempts, 3182 Yards, 24 TDs

So... short term 1-2 years: 460 attempts, 3200 yards, 24 TDs I think is a really really solid projection when taking into account just Norv's tendencies and AD's lifespan.

Long term... 3+ years: 570 attempts, 4100 yards, 28 TDs seems reasonable if he succeeds and Norv can stick around for a few years. If he's there for say 3 seasons and Teddy explodes in the 2016 season then he leaves. You at least know whoever comes in will know what they have in Teddy and continue to use him similarly.

 

[Faust]

Norv Turner: Vikings QBs a 'really, really good group'Excerpt:

Most local reports suggest Cassel will get the first shot at leading the Vikings. Turner praised Bridgewater's arm strength in April, and he reiterated Monday the rookie is ahead of where he anticipated.

"I think that Matt Cassel has had an outstanding spring and is getting himself ready to really have a good year," Turner said. "And we know Teddy's been really, really impressive and a lot further along than I expected him to be."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Teddy Bridgewater Studies Vikings Playbook By Importing It Into 'Madden'

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/futuresport/201407/teddy-bridgewater-madden-video-playbook-vikings-quarterback-nfl-football

Bridgewater surprising Vikings with deep throws

http://msn.foxsports.com/north/story/bridgewater-surprising-vikings-with-deep-throws-062414

Whether it's Cassell or TB I think they will both do well under Norv, Bridgewater sounds like a guy who is working hard, studying, working on his game to prepare for the coming season.

 

[cstu]

"I try to take as many reps as I can, whether it's on a video game, playing EA Madden Football or in the playbook, just drawing it or just visualizing it in my head," Bridgewater said. "I try to just maximize every rep I can get and every opportunity that I can take."

What's Manziel doing again?

 

[MAC_32]

"I try to take as many reps as I can, whether it's on a video game, playing EA Madden Football or in the playbook, just drawing it or just visualizing it in my head," Bridgewater said. "I try to just maximize every rep I can get and every opportunity that I can take."

What's Manziel doing again?

this was fun when the media was trying to tear teddy down too.

 

[Lt. Bardolph]

Spielman isn't the best GM in football, but if Bridgewater becomes their franchise QB, then he and those six other first round picks in the last 3 years (Kalil, Smith, Floyd, Rhodes, Patterson, and Barr) are going to make him look awfully good.

 

[cstu]

"I try to take as many reps as I can, whether it's on a video game, playing EA Madden Football or in the playbook, just drawing it or just visualizing it in my head," Bridgewater said. "I try to just maximize every rep I can get and every opportunity that I can take."

What's Manziel doing again?

this was fun when the media was trying to tear teddy down too.

I've always said that the Pro Day reviews were a poor reason to doubt his future success.

There were much more serious red flags with Manziel and since he's been drafted he's created even more.

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

 

[MAC_32]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.

Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

 

[jurb26]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

Manziel has a lower floor and ceiling than Bridgewater.

 

[MAC_32]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

Manziel has a lower floor and ceiling than Bridgewater.

Because of Manziel's legs and style of play, I strongly disagree. Vick was an elite fantasy player at times and he never put in the appropriate amount of work. Manziel is already a better passer than Vick ever was, so he has that upside and some, even if he doesn't put in the work. If he does? Oh, my.

 

[jurb26]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

Manziel has a lower floor and ceiling than Bridgewater.

Because of Manziel's legs and style of play, I strongly disagree. Vick was an elite fantasy player at times and he never put in the appropriate amount of work. Manziel is already a better passer than Vick ever was, so he has that upside and some, even if he doesn't put in the work. If he does? Oh, my.

If Manziel posses elite athleticism like Vick I'd agree. The thing is, he's an average athlete (in comparison to NFL QBs) and we saw that in his measurables. He's a much worse athlete than guys like Luck or Cam and he's a smurf in comparison as well. I'm also not buying that he is already a better passer than Vick. Vick was a great arm talent but it didn't develop as quickly as it should have in the NFL because of his rare gifts running. I like Manziel's arm but it isn't a top tier arm in the NFL. Could he be a better passer than Vick? Sure if he puts the proper work in and develops his skills as a pocket passer and read progression. Seeing he hasn't played a down of NFL football yet I'm not about to assume that will be the case, though. Especially when it's perhaps the biggest issue I had with him in college.

 

[Khy]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

Manziel has a lower floor and ceiling than Bridgewater.

Because of Manziel's legs and style of play, I strongly disagree. Vick was an elite fantasy player at times and he never put in the appropriate amount of work. Manziel is already a better passer than Vick ever was, so he has that upside and some, even if he doesn't put in the work. If he does? Oh, my.

Comparing Manziel and Vick is hilarious. Manziel couldn't hold Vick's jock in terms of raw athletic ability. Vick was much bigger than Manziel and still considered a little small for QB standards and got by based on his ability to more or less outrun any defender. Vick was both faster, stronger and bigger than Manziel.

 

[MAC_32]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

Manziel has a lower floor and ceiling than Bridgewater.

Because of Manziel's legs and style of play, I strongly disagree. Vick was an elite fantasy player at times and he never put in the appropriate amount of work. Manziel is already a better passer than Vick ever was, so he has that upside and some, even if he doesn't put in the work. If he does? Oh, my.

If Manziel posses elite athleticism like Vick I'd agree. The thing is, he's an average athlete (in comparison to NFL QBs) and we saw that in his measurables. He's a much worse athlete than guys like Luck or Cam and he's a smurf in comparison as well. I'm also not buying that he is already a better passer than Vick. Vick was a great arm talent but it didn't develop as quickly as it should have in the NFL because of his rare gifts running. I like Manziel's arm but it isn't a top tier arm in the NFL. Could he be a better passer than Vick? Sure if he puts the proper work in and develops his skills as a pocket passer and read progression. Seeing he hasn't played a down of NFL football yet I'm not about to assume that will be the case, though. Especially when it's perhaps the biggest issue I had with him in college.

Upside does not equal assumptions, it's if he hits.

I think it's relatively easy, and cheap, to find a decent QB if you need one. In dyno leagues I prefer to gamble more at that position.

 

[MAC_32]

The media reports what's happening, sometimes it's right sometimes it's wrong. Time will tell on both of these guys, but if you told me I had to bet my life on one of them being successful it definitely wouldn't be the guy doing blow in Vegas bathrooms.

I agree. I think Teddy is going to be a good starter for a long, long time.Manziel has a higher ceiling, but with a crater-like floor.

I prefer the latter in fantasy because that's how you win, but on my real team? I really...really wanted Teddy.

Manziel has a lower floor and ceiling than Bridgewater.

Because of Manziel's legs and style of play, I strongly disagree. Vick was an elite fantasy player at times and he never put in the appropriate amount of work. Manziel is already a better passer than Vick ever was, so he has that upside and some, even if he doesn't put in the work. If he does? Oh, my.

Comparing Manziel and Vick is hilarious. Manziel couldn't hold Vick's jock in terms of raw athletic ability. Vick was much bigger than Manziel and still considered a little small for QB standards and got by based on his ability to more or less outrun any defender. Vick was both faster, stronger and bigger than Manziel.

No it's not. Their style of play isn't all that different. Neither are conventional QB's, both of them try to create more on their own than the prototypical QB. Manziel is a smaller hybrid of something between Vick and Favre. What Vick possesses as far as raw measureables Manziel has in creating in the pocket, something Vick has been consistently horrendous at. Mix that with the gunslinger mentality down field and there's a lot of upside there. Not this year, but if he gets some weapons outside? Absolutely.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Teddy Bridgewater- QB - Vikings
Vikings OC Norv Turner says Teddy Bridgewater is a "lot further along than I expected him to be."
"Teddy's been really, really impressive," Norval said in a Monday radio interview. Like most July quotes, Turner's words mean very little in the grand scheme of things, but it's better to hear something emptily positive than simply empty. Bridgewater is going to make starts in 2014, it's just a matter of when.


Source: vikings.com
Jul 9 - 9:24 AM

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Last year was clearly an anomoly as the Browns lead the entire NFL in passing attempts after trading away RB Trent Richardson.

They had more attempts than the Denver Broncos with Peytonn Manning and a cursory glance shows how last year's stats are a glaring outliner on the number of passing attempts even within a Norv Turner offense.

Over the last 5 seasons here are the stats on Norv Turner offenses:

Attempts Yardage Scoring

681 4040 26

528 3295 26

582 4426 27

544 4519 30

519 4338 29

Averaged: 571 Attempts, 4123 Yards, 27.6 TDs

Long term... 3+ years: 570 attempts, 4100 yards, 28 TDs seems reasonable if he succeeds and Norv can stick around for a few years. If he's there for say 3 seasons and Teddy explodes in the 2016 season ...

The Browns did not have RB Adrian Peterson in the backfield, they are obviously going to run much more and not throw nearly as much so less opportunities to produce. Then their is the issue of the VIkings playing outdoors for the next two years.

Over the next couple years? I don't think he can be top 10 if for no other reason than that the Vikes are going to play outside in TCF Bank stadium for the next two years.

But I expect in the next couple years TD numbers in the mid 20's and INT's in the low teens. Yardage will be somewhere around 3500.

One football criticism of Teddy that had been brought up in the evaluation process was he didn't set his feet properly to constently make strong throws downfield. The critique centered on his 'throwing-base'.

Teddy has a thin frame. Last year he played at 194 lbs at one point. He's worked hard to bring his weight up but his natural body type probably won't carry much weight and he's a legit 6'3 so that is a slight frame.

His slight frame means in order to consistently make strong throws he has set his feet to form a solid throwing base.

I thought it was a valid issue that made sense.

His deep-ball accuracy was great but someone broke it down to show he had trouble making deep throws busting seems over the middle and has issues with deep crossing patterns, most of his deep completions came outside the hash marks on the sidelines.

Late in the year, in that bitter cold climate playing outdoors the ball dies just like how baseballs travel farther in the heat and humidity of summer the opposite effect happens in bitter cold climates where objects require much more power to travel the same distance.

Not sure when/if Teddy takes over but its very-likely he will be playing later this season and in some of the worst, if not thee-worst conditions in the NFL.

He'll be tested so we'll see if those concerns are/were valid but in any event I don't see the Vikings/Norv going with a pass-first offensive philosophy when he's got AdP and when he'll be playing in some of the harshest conditions late this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

RE: Playing outdoors at TCF

Really, the only concerning month is December and two of the four games are at TCF - the Jets on the 7th and the Bears on the 28th.

For fantasy purposes, that's not a huge concern as weeks 15 and 16 he'll be inside at Detroit and outside at Miami.

For real life purposes...there's no concern at all that TB will be playing in January. At least for this year.

 

[Gene Sackman]

For real life purposes...there's no concern at all that TB will be playing in January. At least for this year.

Who cares what a Broncos fan thinks...

 

[Faust]

Norv Turner: Teddy Bridgewater worth a top-10 pick

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000367108/article/norv-turner-teddy-bridgewater-worth-a-top10-pick

 

[Faust]

Teddy Bridgewater 'not comfortable' discussing Vikings QB competition

 

[Xue]

Teddy Bridgewater swishes full court throw with football:

 

[Heatman]

Teddy Bridgewater swishes full court throw with football: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpckdJJ8sLY

This is what I am really liking about Bridgewater, his accuracy, that's something we have not had in a long time in MN. Thankfully that's not all he has going for him, his decision making, ability to read defenses and while not elite he has a terrific arm. I really think he's going to be a top QB in the league for a while, especially under Turner.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports rookie Teddy Bridgewater has already begun splitting first-team reps with Matt Cassel at Vikings camp.

Glazer reports there is "hugeeee optimism" about Bridgewater among team brass, and he's "definitely been more impressive than they expected." Cassel remains the slight favorite to start on Opening Day, but Bridgewater has quickly made it an interesting camp battle. Bridgewater's passing strengths are at the short and intermediate levels. He could be a great fit with Kyle Rudolph.

Related: Matt Cassel

Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter

Jul 27 - 2:23 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Vikings

Teddy Bridgewater and Matt Cassel will begin evenly splitting first-team reps on Wednesday.

FOX's Jay Glazer reported Sunday that was already the case. The Vikings had been including Christian Ponder in their quarterback rotation, but are ready to drop his token participation. Bridgewater has generated a ton of early camp buzz, but needs to translate it to strong preseason performances to beat out Cassel for Week 1 duties. Either way, Bridgewater will make starts this season.

Related: Matt Cassel

Source: NFL.com

Jul 28 - 2:55 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Vikings

NFL Network's Albert Breer's "sense is" Teddy Bridgewater has "closed the gap" on Matt Cassel.

This is certainly the way the wind is blowing. One report even indicated Bridgewater handled more first-team throws than Cassel at Wednesday's practice, by a 13 to 11 count. Christian Ponder opened camp sprinkled in with the ones, but his reps have gone to Teddy. Of all this year's rookie quarterbacks, Bridgewater has emerged as the likeliest to start his team's season opener.

Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Jul 30 - 10:43 PM

 

[Faust]

'Inside Training Camp Live' whispers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000371437/article/inside-training-camp-live-whispers

Excerpt:

» Following Teddy Bridgewater's lackluster Pro Day performance, NFL Media's Charley Casserly forecasted that the signal-caller would drop out of the first round of the 2014 draft. Fortunately for Bridgewater, that didn't happen; now, he's involved in what Casserly calls the "most honest" QB competition of the offseason. Casserly was impressed with Bridgewater's progress at training camp -- so much so that he believes Bridgewater's chance to start under center is a matter of when, not if.

"I think at some point they're gonna put him in the lineup," Casserly said, "whether it's early or late might depend on how well the rest of the team is playing. Don't throw him to the wolves too early."

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Minneapolis Star-Tribune "won't be surprised" if Teddy Bridgewater starts Week 1.
Reporter Chip Scoggins has gone from believing Matt Cassel was a "slam dunk" to sensing Bridgewater has a fighting chance. NFL Network's Albert Breer passed along a similar sentiment on Wednesday. The battle will obviously come down to what Bridgewater shows in preseason games. The Vikings already know what Cassel can do (and it's not very much).

Related: Matt Cassel

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

 

[cstu]

Great stuff in this article, especially regarding arm strength.

Norv Turner clicked the play button on his big-screen TV remote control and 40 years of coaching experience came rushing out of him. A reporter who trails his expertise by 40 years sat nearby listening, learning and wondering how hard it must be to reach a point where the chaos of an NFL play not only makes perfect sense but can be visualized before the ball is even snapped.

Sometimes, Vikings rookie quarterback Teddy Bridgewater wonders the same thing. Like when the ball is snapped during practice and he can hear Turner, the offensive coordinator, talking to himself.

“As soon as we line up, he’s standing behind us mumbling,” Bridgewater said. “You can’t hear him, but you know he’s telling you where to go with the ball, what to do with the protection. He sees things before they happen.

“You drop back to pass and he’s still mumbling. But you don’t pay attention because of everything going on. You try to block him out, but one of these days I’m going to actually figure out what he’s mumbling about.”

That’s the idea. And Turner believes it will happen sooner rather than later. Otherwise, the Vikings wouldn’t have traded back into the first round of the NFL draft to select Bridgewater 32nd overall.

The Star Tribune sat down with Turner earlier this offseason to watch practice tapes of Bridgewater. Here are some of the highlights that help explain why Bridgewater is a Viking:

Quick release, quick mind

“Look at this one,” Turner says. “The tight end is running an 18-yard out. Teddy drops. One, two, three, four, five and, bam, the ball’s out. See how quick that was. This is the No. 1 thing with him. He’s got such a quick release, and he makes quick decisions. That ball is out before the tight end makes his cut, and it’s thrown where only he can catch it.

“This helps every guy on the team. It helps the receivers and it obviously helps the linemen when you get back and get rid of the ball.”

Sensing defenders

A receiver is running a deep post. Bridgewater, according to Turner, originally was supposed to throw the ball about 4 yards deeper and more inside. But he accurately senses the need to “put it on the receiver,” per Turner’s coaching, rather than lead the receiver into two lurking defenders.

Later, on a slant pass, Bridgewater “puts it on” a receiver again.

“This shows Teddy’s presence and then, bang, his quickness to get it out,” Turner said. “And he’s not as quick now as he’s going to be. His feet aren’t good here. He’s too slow with his feet, but he’s quick with his arm. When a guy is naturally quick, you can speed that up with coaching.”

Tight pocket? No problem

A short option route is called on third-and-3. The pocket collapses and Bridgewater has no room to step into his throw.

“But see here, he doesn’t have to move his feet to throw it well,” Turner said. “You have to be able to play that way. There are guys who need a lot of room in the pocket to throw, and then there are guys who don’t need any room. I call this an NFL throw, as opposed to a college throw. You can bring 100 guys in here and every one of them could make a college throw.”

Arm strength

“People question Teddy’s arm strength,” Turner said as he clicked to the next play, a deep ball. “But right here, we have a ‘9’ route against man. He’s standing on his 15. And the ball is caught at the 34, 35 yard line. So it’s a 47-yard throw.

“The ‘9’ routes, you don’t really want to throw it a lot farther. The quicker you get it up, the better the ‘X’ receiver has of catching it. Balls thrown 55, 58 yards, the DB actually has more time to close.”

Turner preaches trajectory, arc and accuracy far more than velocity. With the right trajectory and arc, the ball is easier to catch and isn’t dying as it arrives. As a teaching tool, Turner will place a 10-foot net 14 yards downfield that quarterbacks must throw over on deep out passes.

“This is a throw that people talk about arm strength,” said Turner as he moved on to the next play, a deep out. “You have to be able to throw the ball firm and on a line, but it has to have an arc or this linebacker underneath is going to hit it. Teddy’s ball here carries 36 yards on a line with an arc. If you can make that throw right there, you can make any throw we need in this offense.”

One of the reasons Bridgewater fell in the draft was that famously poor Pro Day performance at Louisville. Weeks later, during a private workout with the Vikings in Florida, Turner’s main emphasis was getting Bridgewater to drop and set his feet quicker. Once he did that, he said he saw the target faster and was able to use his legs more, which increased his velocity and accuracy.

“Best workout I had before the draft,” Bridgewater said. “And when Coach Turner left, he told me he couldn’t have cared less about my Pro Day. He said if he had run my Pro Day, I’d have gone 65-for-65.”

 

[Quez]

Thinking of jumping on him at 7/1 for ROY. If he is starting it will be hard for a RB or WR to win it unless they explode.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Just missed on him at 2.03 in my rookie draft. Really wanted him. Have a feeling I'll regret not trading up to get him. I agree he's a favorite for OROY.

 

[Faust]

Norv Turner: Teddy Bridgewater playing at high level

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000374346/article/norv-turner-teddy-bridgewater-playing-at-high-level

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Was down at camp today. TB is really accurate and has good velocity. Very catchable ball.

I don't know when he'll start but when he does I think he'll be a good one.

CLEARLY more talented than Ponder.

 

[skol asylum]

I am SO happy to have Zimmer and Turner out there teaching. Finally have some faith in a competent coaching staff with solid resumes.

 

[Faust]

Norv Turner: I'm excited about what Teddy Bridgewater is doing

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24649259/norv-turner-im-excited-about-what-teddy-bridgewater-is-dong

 

[gchip]

I'm excited about Teddy but the Norv hire is sounding really good too.