QB Trey Lance, LAC (1 Viewer)

[osubuckeyeman]

Dallas made a trade for Lance because they are going to move on from Dak.

The Cowboys have zero leverage. Not sure how they move on. Another extension looms for Dak.

Kind of feels like people doing a balance transfer to pay off a high credit card debt and then go out and start charging again right away.

So why do you think Dallas traded for Lance?

Developmental backup they can trade. Dak's contract is a stranglehold on the Cowboys. They really can not move on for at least a year. His cap charge is almost 60 million. Dak could agree to lower that and take another extension I guess. The Cowboys could just play out the rest of the contract. They can not trade him with that contract and they can not trade him unless he agrees to a trade and they can not tag him at the end either. https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

 

[General Malaise]

Dallas made a trade for Lance because they are going to move on from Dak.

The Cowboys have zero leverage. Not sure how they move on. Another extension looms for Dak.

Kind of feels like people doing a balance transfer to pay off a high credit card debt and then go out and start charging again right away.

So why do you think Dallas traded for Lance?

I think they were just trying to get lucky that he would turn into something. There is zero chance he is starting over Dak next year, assuming Dak stays healthy.

It's never zero. If they traded for him, there was a reason. I think people in the organization know Dak is the reason why Dallas is out of the playoffs before MLK weekend every year. Lance is going to get his shot.

It's zero. I would go lower if I could.

Alright, well.....if he ever plays a down of football for the Cowboys, I'll be sure to remind you of this comment.

You weren't talking about him taking a single snap, that could very well happen in a blowout or something, I'm talking about Lance winning the starting job over Dak by next season and that just isn't happening in the real world. I did say as long as Dak is healthy, I would add as long as Dak doesn't get suspended or retire as well.

It's amazing how you can make such a ridiculous statement and think if he plays a single snap you can somehow twist my words back as some type of gotcha.

Oh, relax. I put a smiley face in there for god's sake.

I'd like to see what Lance can do as a starter for Dallas and am fine being a table for one on that thought. I've had enough Dak to last a lifetime. Maybe Lance is terrible, I don't know, there's not been enough playing time to make that final call. Maybe his coaches know he can't play, but I don't know that. Unlike a Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson who have A LOT of game film in the pros to show their ineptitude, Lance doesn't have that and I for one am curious. Why did an organization that has been better than 30 other organizations the last 5 years pay so much draft capital to take him #3 overall? Somebody in that fine organization had a belief. What was it? What was it that made Shanahan elevate him over Jimmy G as the starter in 2022? I'm kind of eager to see what the kid can do.

I am definitely NOT eager to watch another year of Dak, but maybe he'll prove me wrong. I won't bet on it, but I'm wrong a lot too so there's that.

I think it is more telling that the same organization realized very quickly that they made a massive mistake and got rid of him. They had a lot more information at the time they got rid of him than they did when they drafted him. That speaks volumes.

They had to get rid of him. It was the right move.

But maybe that's the correct read, that they never saw the talent materialize or it was fool's gold all along. There's not a giant body of work to study on him. The year they made him the starter, he had a crappy weather game in Chicago and was hurt soon after that one (going off memory). Jimmy G keeps 'em alive and then they discover plutonium in Purdy. Brady 2.0.

I'm going to remain optimistic on Lance. Jim Plunkett was given up on and he turned it around. There's been other 1st round QBs who made the most out of 2nd chances. Not all do, certainly, but it does happen.

Plunkett had a resume, Lance does not, including college. Well, not much of one.

That's true which is why I want to see what he can do.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Dallas made a trade for Lance because they are going to move on from Dak.

The Cowboys have zero leverage. Not sure how they move on. Another extension looms for Dak.

Kind of feels like people doing a balance transfer to pay off a high credit card debt and then go out and start charging again right away.

So why do you think Dallas traded for Lance?

I think they were just trying to get lucky that he would turn into something. There is zero chance he is starting over Dak next year, assuming Dak stays healthy.

It's never zero. If they traded for him, there was a reason. I think people in the organization know Dak is the reason why Dallas is out of the playoffs before MLK weekend every year. Lance is going to get his shot.

It's zero. I would go lower if I could.

Alright, well.....if he ever plays a down of football for the Cowboys, I'll be sure to remind you of this comment.

You weren't talking about him taking a single snap, that could very well happen in a blowout or something, I'm talking about Lance winning the starting job over Dak by next season and that just isn't happening in the real world. I did say as long as Dak is healthy, I would add as long as Dak doesn't get suspended or retire as well.

It's amazing how you can make such a ridiculous statement and think if he plays a single snap you can somehow twist my words back as some type of gotcha.

Oh, relax. I put a smiley face in there for god's sake.

I'd like to see what Lance can do as a starter for Dallas and am fine being a table for one on that thought. I've had enough Dak to last a lifetime. Maybe Lance is terrible, I don't know, there's not been enough playing time to make that final call. Maybe his coaches know he can't play, but I don't know that. Unlike a Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson who have A LOT of game film in the pros to show their ineptitude, Lance doesn't have that and I for one am curious. Why did an organization that has been better than 30 other organizations the last 5 years pay so much draft capital to take him #3 overall? Somebody in that fine organization had a belief. What was it? What was it that made Shanahan elevate him over Jimmy G as the starter in 2022? I'm kind of eager to see what the kid can do.

I am definitely NOT eager to watch another year of Dak, but maybe he'll prove me wrong. I won't bet on it, but I'm wrong a lot too so there's that.

I think it is more telling that the same organization realized very quickly that they made a massive mistake and got rid of him. They had a lot more information at the time they got rid of him than they did when they drafted him. That speaks volumes.

They had to get rid of him. It was the right move.

But maybe that's the correct read, that they never saw the talent materialize or it was fool's gold all along. There's not a giant body of work to study on him. The year they made him the starter, he had a crappy weather game in Chicago and was hurt soon after that one (going off memory). Jimmy G keeps 'em alive and then they discover plutonium in Purdy. Brady 2.0.

I'm going to remain optimistic on Lance. Jim Plunkett was given up on and he turned it around. There's been other 1st round QBs who made the most out of 2nd chances. Not all do, certainly, but it does happen.

I am sure you could find someone that meets nearly any criteria that had success. Like you, i think there is enough "there" to get me intrigued about Lance as an end-of-the-bench dynasty flier.

 

[Lansdowne]

Jordan Love- developmental QB prospect with good tools that mostly sat for 3 years. First year starting- started off with good TD luck, mini slump mid season but put it all together late NOV and is now viewed as an unequivocal success.

Trey Lance- developmental QB prospect with good tools that either needed to sit or experience growing pains while on the field. The handling overall smells a bit like signs of a power struggle between HC and FO where the development track was jerked around and there was too much pressure to perform. Topped off with some really unfortunately timed injuries.

I'll be holding a candle for him but can totally understand why SF fans don't have warm fuzzies about him.

Lance needs a lot of work. Only played one full season of football against Division II competition, and that was 2019. Five years is a long time for someone as raw as Lance, and he just didn’t look good at all last preseason. I still hope he gets another chance in the NFL and I hope he succeeds. It’s just not a bet I’d be willing to make.

 

[Faust]

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will pick up Trey Lance’s $4.25 million summer roster bonus.

However, Calvin Watkins reports the team will not pick up Lance’s fifth-year team option for 2025. That part basically went without saying. Per Watkins, “team officials did not consider cutting Lance, whom they believe made tremendous strides last season.” Lance was not the No. 2 quarterback for the Cowboys’ Super Bowl-or-bust roster, though 31-year-old Cooper Rush is a cut candidate at his currently scheduled salary of $2.25 million. Amazingly, Lance remains two months shy of his 24th birthday.

 

[zamboni]

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will pick up Trey Lance’s $4.25 million summer roster bonus.

However, Calvin Watkins reports the team will not pick up Lance’s fifth-year team option for 2025. That part basically went without saying. Per Watkins, “team officials did not consider cutting Lance, whom they believe made tremendous strides last season.” Lance was not the No. 2 quarterback for the Cowboys’ Super Bowl-or-bust roster, though 31-year-old Cooper Rush is a cut candidate at his currently scheduled salary of $2.25 million. Amazingly, Lance remains two months shy of his 24th birthday.

The bolded is indeed hard to believe. You'd think as long as we've been discussing him that he'd be like 26 or 27 by now.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will pick up Trey Lance’s $4.25 million summer roster bonus.

However, Calvin Watkins reports the team will not pick up Lance’s fifth-year team option for 2025. That part basically went without saying. Per Watkins, “team officials did not consider cutting Lance, whom they believe made tremendous strides last season.” Lance was not the No. 2 quarterback for the Cowboys’ Super Bowl-or-bust roster, though 31-year-old Cooper Rush is a cut candidate at his currently scheduled salary of $2.25 million. Amazingly, Lance remains two months shy of his 24th birthday.

The bolded is indeed hard to believe. You'd think as long as we've been discussing him that he'd be like 26 or 27 by now.

Lamar just turned 27 and Todd Gurley is 29. It feels like some people simply do not age.

 

[zamboni]

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will pick up Trey Lance’s $4.25 million summer roster bonus.

However, Calvin Watkins reports the team will not pick up Lance’s fifth-year team option for 2025. That part basically went without saying. Per Watkins, “team officials did not consider cutting Lance, whom they believe made tremendous strides last season.” Lance was not the No. 2 quarterback for the Cowboys’ Super Bowl-or-bust roster, though 31-year-old Cooper Rush is a cut candidate at his currently scheduled salary of $2.25 million. Amazingly, Lance remains two months shy of his 24th birthday.

The bolded is indeed hard to believe. You'd think as long as we've been discussing him that he'd be like 26 or 27 by now.

Lamar just turned 27 and Todd Gurley is 29. It feels like some people simply do not age.

That Gurley is still 29 shocks me ever even more. I would have guessed at least 32.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will pick up Trey Lance’s $4.25 million summer roster bonus.

However, Calvin Watkins reports the team will not pick up Lance’s fifth-year team option for 2025. That part basically went without saying. Per Watkins, “team officials did not consider cutting Lance, whom they believe made tremendous strides last season.” Lance was not the No. 2 quarterback for the Cowboys’ Super Bowl-or-bust roster, though 31-year-old Cooper Rush is a cut candidate at his currently scheduled salary of $2.25 million. Amazingly, Lance remains two months shy of his 24th birthday.

The bolded is indeed hard to believe. You'd think as long as we've been discussing him that he'd be like 26 or 27 by now.

Lamar just turned 27 and Todd Gurley is 29. It feels like some people simply do not age.

That Gurley is still 29 shocks me ever even more. I would have guessed at least 32.

His knee is 45 though.

 

[menobrown]

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Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said the “arrow is really up” on backup QB Trey Lance. “He’s exceeded expectations as a person, as a worker.” Lance to compete with Cooper Rush for No. 2 job behind Dak Prescott. “He’s very much what we had planned on, hoped when we gave the pick.”

 

[King of the Jungle]

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Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said the “arrow is really up” on backup QB Trey Lance. “He’s exceeded expectations as a person, as a worker.” Lance to compete with Cooper Rush for No. 2 job behind Dak Prescott. “He’s very much what we had planned on, hoped when we gave the pick.”

Heard he was a good person and hard worker in SF (which is great), although was hoping he would develop into a good football player as well. Still time…

 

[Faust]

Jon Machota
Dak Prescott said Trey Lance has gotten “so much better” in his time with the Cowboys. “I’m excited for where he is now. … He works his *** off. He’s pushing me. I’m somebody that I don’t like to let other people get more reps than me, and Trey is the person I need to watch, because he’s trying to get up there on the rep count. That’s a testament to him and how much he’s putting into this. I’ve seen it. He’s gotten better. He can play.”

Dak on not being threatened by what Trey could be and how it relates to Dak and his contract situation:

“As long he is getting better, I promise you I’m getting better. I encourage it. I hope he pushes me. I hope he makes people think. I know where I’ll be and I know who I am. I’m confident in the person and player that I am. I hope he does. I hope he pushes me.”

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[Faust]

Cowboys' Trey Lance 'at my best' entering QB2 battle with Cooper Rush

 

[Faust]

Michael Gehlken

Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy reiterated he’s “definitely” seen significant progress from QB Trey Lance. “Now starting to get the timing with the routes. …He’s close to being a master of the system. He has a really high understanding. …He just needs as many reps as he can.”

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[Faust]

Trey Lance is close to 'being a master' of Cowboys offense, says coach Mike McCarthy

 

[King of the Jungle]

Trey Lance is close to 'being a master' of Cowboys offense, says coach Mike McCarthy

The truth will be shown if he is able to earn the #2 spot.

 

[Bri]

Trey Lance is close to 'being a master' of Cowboys offense, says coach Mike McCarthy

The truth will be shown if he is able to earn the #2 spot.

This has been a radio discussion lately. The simple valid point is always- he doesn't have much experience in the NFL.
Cowboys plan to try and get him a lot of reps, including first string reps, to sort of manufacture game conditions.

(To the three still in the Lance fan club There's a crystal clear line between Dak and him. First string reps will mean nothing more.)

He must be doing exceptionally well because there's a real strong bit of curiosity as to how he'd do in games. We all know that's a super common unofficial next step to a player making progress. It's like everyone is wondering

 

[JohnnyU]

Still on the waiver wire in a few of my leagues

 

[Faust]

How Trey Lance has trained for 2024 Cowboys, 2025 free agency

 

[Faust]

@32BeatWriters
Trey Lance is the Cowboys 3rd QB and getting just about a full game’s worth of work today. He’s 25/41 for 188 yards, with 6 carries for 44 yards.

His drives:

52 yards - FG
45 yards - failed 4th dn
23 yards - missed 65 yd FG
29 yds - failed 4th dn
60 yards - FG
-1 yards - FG

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[Faust]

QB Trey Lance fails to impress in 1st preseason action for Cowboys

 

[General Malaise]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

I packaged him in a deal for Chase Brown recently - was happy to move him for anything.

 

[joey]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

I packaged him in a deal for Chase Brown recently - was happy to move him for anything.

I have a feeling the package had more to do with getting Chase Brown than Lance.
Did the other team immediately drop Lance after the trade went through to make space for a keepable player?

 

[kface]

I didn't watch it all but what i did watch he looked terrible. He's droppable in everything at this point.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

I packaged him in a deal for Chase Brown recently - was happy to move him for anything.

I have a feeling the package had more to do with getting Chase Brown than Lance.
Did the other team immediately drop Lance after the trade went through to make space for a keepable player?

I was the one who got Chase Brown.

I gave Lance and 2 picks.

 

[joey]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

I packaged him in a deal for Chase Brown recently - was happy to move him for anything.

I have a feeling the package had more to do with getting Chase Brown than Lance.
Did the other team immediately drop Lance after the trade went through to make space for a keepable player?

I was the one who got Chase Brown.

I gave Lance and 2 picks.

Yeah, I get that. I’m just guessing that it was only the 2 picks that got you Chase, and Lance being included had no bearing on the trade going through or not.
Not a poke at you. Just a poke at how amazing useless Trey Lance is for any fantasy team in any format.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

I packaged him in a deal for Chase Brown recently - was happy to move him for anything.

I have a feeling the package had more to do with getting Chase Brown than Lance.
Did the other team immediately drop Lance after the trade went through to make space for a keepable player?

I was the one who got Chase Brown.

I gave Lance and 2 picks.

Yeah, I get that. I’m just guessing that it was only the 2 picks that got you Chase, and Lance being included had no bearing on the trade going through or not.
Not a poke at you. Just a poke at how amazing useless Trey Lance is for any fantasy team in any format.

Amazingly, he rejected the two pick alone, and only accepted when I included Lance because he wanted an upside prospect type player.

That worked out great for me because I really wanted the roster spot. Lol.

 

[joey]

He was terrible. Looked like he learned how to throw a football last week. Was way way way wrong on this cat. Just like the 49ers were.

I packaged him in a deal for Chase Brown recently - was happy to move him for anything.

I have a feeling the package had more to do with getting Chase Brown than Lance.
Did the other team immediately drop Lance after the trade went through to make space for a keepable player?

I was the one who got Chase Brown.

I gave Lance and 2 picks.

Yeah, I get that. I’m just guessing that it was only the 2 picks that got you Chase, and Lance being included had no bearing on the trade going through or not.
Not a poke at you. Just a poke at how amazing useless Trey Lance is for any fantasy team in any format.

Amazingly, he rejected the two pick aline, and only accepted when I included Lance because he wanted an upside prospect type player.

That worked out great for me because I really wanted the roster spot. Lol.

lol. Ha. I guess it takes all types! Nice job moving Lance.

 

[Faust]

Mike McCarthy on Trey Lance: He’s making good progress, still has work to do

 

[massraider]

QB School video on Trey Lance

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Trey Lance is close to 'being a master' of Cowboys offense, says coach Mike McCarthy

Mike McCarthy on Trey Lance: He’s making good progress, still has work to do

-Faust is the best, it's hilarious to read something from Jan where he's being hailed as a "Master" to training camp in August where "still work to do"

 

[JoeJoe88]

I think I’m sending him to the wire in dynasty tonight in a 2QB league. 4 picks today. I’m just over this dude. Let him clog someone else’s roster.

 

[Faust]

Chase Daniel
Trey Lance gets absolutely bulldozed into the end zone.

Lance with 3 INT’s and 2 fumbles today but has 335 total yard and 2 TD’s.

He will never make it in this league if he can’t protect the football & make the right decisions.

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[Ray_T]

Trey Lance is close to 'being a master' of Cowboys offense, says coach Mike McCarthy

Mike McCarthy on Trey Lance: He’s making good progress, still has work to do

-Faust is the best, it's hilarious to read something from Jan where he's being hailed as a "Master" to training camp in August where "still work to do"

honestly, with backup players, quite often the media report is the media quoting the coach and the coach releases whatever message he wants the player to hear.

so maybe when the first report was out, coach was wanting to boost the confidence in the backup. at this point in time the current report might be because the kid has had a few good days and he doesnt want him to think too highly of himself and let his foot off the gas.

for this reason I dont put a ton of stock into the media reports. sometimes they are useful, but its hard to filter out the crap.

 

[JoeJoe88]

I think I’m sending him to the wire in dynasty tonight in a 2QB league. 4 picks today. I’m just over this dude. Let him clog someone else’s roster.

Make that 5.

 

[Faust]

Ian Kenyon
Trey Lance has thrown 518 in-game passes since middle school.

97 total attempts in high school
318 total attempts in college
102 total attempts in the NFL

He’s younger than Michael Penix, Bo Nix, and Will Levis.

Let him throw 550 passes for a 4-13 team for one year.

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[Faust]

Robert Griffin III
This is why you don’t give up on Trey Lance. His ability to be a game changer is CLEARLY THERE. He made these defenders with angles look like they were running in place.

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[Dez]

Is 5 picks bad ?

 

[Faust]

Josh Dubow
Trey Lance is 1st QB since at least 2015 to throw 5+ INTs in a preseason game. Stetson Bennett had 4 earlier this year for Rams vs Cowboys and Landry Jones had 4 in 2016 for Steelers vs Eagles

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[Faust]

Nick Harris
Jerry Jones on QB Trey Lance:

“He will be on this roster.”

#DallasCowboys

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[Gatorade]

Maybe Dallas should make him RB1

 

[msudaisy26]

I am sure their are others, but Tom Brady threw less interceptions during the entire 2010 regular season against first string NFL players than Lance did in a preseason game against a lot players who won't be in the NFL.

 

[Faust]

Unofficial results are in. The Cowboys trade for Trey Lance is a far-reaching disaster

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Unofficial results are in. The Cowboys trade for Trey Lance is a far-reaching disaster

The disaster was the 49ers spending so much draft capital on him. They got bailed out in a historic way with the Purdy pick.

The Cowboys traded a mid-round pick for a poor backup QB. Not the first time a team has done that and won't be the last. Though we have an entire industry that would like to have us believe otherwise, picks after the first round are pretty much a crapshoot.

 

[Faust]

Robert Griffin III
Watched the tape back on Trey Lance.
Trey Lance has NFL Superstar level playmaking ability with Blockbuster level decision making. If you said he was the replacement for Dak Prescott, go ahead and deactivate your account. The 5 ints were bad and showed he is in the wrong offense.

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[Faust]

Jonathan Jones
Trey Lance is the third QB for the Cowboys as they start the season

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[JohnnyU]

Jonathan Jones
Trey Lance is the third QB for the Cowboys as they start the season

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I'm surprised he hasn't been cut. He's living on draft hype alone IMO.

 

[Gatorade]

They should just use him as a RB and return man. Can't be as bad as the geriatric crowd they have now.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

They should just use him as a RB and return man. Can't be as bad as the geriatric crowd they have now.

Except that the singular time he tried running the ball in SF he broke his own ankle (instead of a defender’s). Not good.