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On my team he's behind Ca Johnson, Maclin and Tampa's Mike Williams. He now can only be used at the flex in deep leagues or as a bye week replacement. He has more value for the Vikings getting double teams where he can longer has the ability to get the ball. He's also back to jogging on routes when he knows he not getting the ball. I considered benching him in favor of Blount at the flex but didn't and it could very likely cost me a victory.

I've had him on the trading block for a RB for a couple weeks and the only offer I got was Torain. I'm now wishing I had done that deal.

 
knickstorm said:
that pass interference at the end could've been an easy td, he got the call and pretty much stopped playing
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I didn't see it but apparently at the press conference following the game he was complaining about the Viking's play calling a mentioned how much he misses Brady.
 
Pretty sad how you have to hope that one of his 1 or 2 catches goes for a TD for him to even have a mediocre day. And that PI really ticked me off. Looked like he almost could have made the catch anyways but he gave up after contact.

 
Bonka said:
Pretty sad how you have to hope that one of his 1 or 2 catches goes for a TD for him to even have a mediocre day. And that PI really ticked me off. Looked like he almost could have made the catch anyways but he gave up after contact.
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Exactly. He just stopped running. It would have been an easy catch. I am thinking about benching Moss.
 
Which of the following statements are accurate?

a) Moss is running lazy routes

b) Moss is getting no separation

c) Minnesota's QB play is killing him

d) Moss is failing because of schemes geared to stop him

e) Moss's days as a star WR are over

If you ask me, it's all of the above. Looks like Belichick wasn't so stupid.

 
Guys, remember all the positive press this offseason?

He was in the best shape of his life, he looked faster, he was catching everything and was uncoverable.

Just store this bitter taste away for the next time we hear that sort of thing.

 
Minn is disrespecting Randy.

Randy needs to immediately demand a trade to a team that would appreciate him.

:blackdot:

 
Could Randy Moss be a buy low still at this point? I think Belichick schemed against Randy, and he's also still learning the playbook. Hard to believe it can be this bad all year with 2 or 3 catches a game.

 
At least Moss is in good company. The 1st and 2nd round of this year's fantasy draft is littered with busts. Weird season.

 
howo5 said:
Could Randy Moss be a buy low still at this point? I think Belichick schemed against Randy, and he's also still learning the playbook. Hard to believe it can be this bad all year with 2 or 3 catches a game.
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Yeah, good thinking.Because you know Randy is just going to be Randy. He'll never quit on ya; gonna go 110% no matter what the record is or what the scoreboard says. :rolleyes:
 
Sounds like Randy figured out Childress is a terrible coach...recipe for disaster

Randy Moss indicated after Sunday's loss that the Vikings' coaching staff wasted the tips he gave them regarding the Patriots' defense."You have six days to prepare for a team," he said, "and on the seventh day ... they come over to me and say, 'Dag, Moss, you was right about a couple plays and a couple schemes they were going to run.' It hurts as a player that you put a lot of hard work in all week, and toward the end of the week, Sunday, when you get on the field, that's when they acknowledge about the hard work you put in throughout the week."
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There's really no need for this thread to even approach two pages. Let's bottom-line it:

- If you have ANY other viable options at wide receiver, Moss cannot be in your lineup.

- If you have terrible WRs, then you have to keep starting him.

As much as it kills me to bench my 1st-rounder, that's where he'll stay until he shows a pulse. :rolleyes:

 
Raider Nation said:
There's really no need for this thread to even approach two pages. Let's bottom-line it:- If you have ANY other viable options at wide receiver, Moss cannot be in your lineup.- If you have terrible WRs, then you have to keep starting him.As much as it kills me to bench my 1st-rounder, that's where he'll stay until he shows a pulse. :towelwave:
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:rolleyes: Anybody who thinks he can't possibly be this ineffective all year needs to go back and look at the box scores from 2005-06.
 
If Moss sucks why does he make the #2 WR on his team a superstar???

How many catches does Welker have right now?

Hell He made Cris Carter look like a star well past his prime.

Now Percy Harvin is a bonifide WR 2 or even a weak #1

Today Moss BB was determined to not let Moss do anything as he was doubled at least every play He is still faster than most Wides and has better hands than most wides.

Also if I was Moss I would miss Brady too. A HOF first ballot QB in his prime vs. a HOF first ballot QB who is finished and washed up.

also,

Loved he wore a Boston Red Sox hat in his "self" interview.

 
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Raider Nation said:
There's really no need for this thread to even approach two pages. Let's bottom-line it:- If you have ANY other viable options at wide receiver, Moss cannot be in your lineup.- If you have terrible WRs, then you have to keep starting him.As much as it kills me to bench my 1st-rounder, that's where he'll stay until he shows a pulse. :shrug:
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:goodposting:
 
Pisses me off that all the sites have him listed very high each week. When you see that you have a hard time benching him.

And, you have higher expectations. He's really a low end #2 right now. No where near where he was drafted.

Until his attitude gets on track, he'll remain a #2WR for fantasy and a decoy for Minn.

 
JamesTheScot said:
Guys, remember all the positive press this offseason? He was in the best shape of his life, he looked faster, he was catching everything and was uncoverable.Just store this bitter taste away for the next time we hear that sort of thing.
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You hear it about so many players that it doesn't matter :rolleyes:
 
Raider Nation said:
There's really no need for this thread to even approach two pages. Let's bottom-line it:- If you have ANY other viable options at wide receiver, Moss cannot be in your lineup.- If you have terrible WRs, then you have to keep starting him.As much as it kills me to bench my 1st-rounder, that's where he'll stay until he shows a pulse. :thumbup:
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I'm glad you are here to keep track of our page counts :rolleyes:
 
lazyike said:
On my team he's behind Ca Johnson, Maclin and Tampa's Mike Williams.
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He's my WR5 behind Austin, Harvin, Williams (TB) and Bess. I'm giving serious thought to dropping him for Crabtree this week. The only thing that might prevent me from doing that is the Vikings face the Cardinals next and they can't stop anybody. Of course, if Moss continues to get a couple of targets a game it may not matter how easy the matchup appears to be. It's not like the Patriots' pass defense has been shutting teams down either. He flat out quit on the PI play. He's back to being the Randy Moss who the Vikings and Raiders both got sick of and couldn't unload fast enough. I'm at the point where I'd rather have a lesser "name" but someone who is at least more enjoyable to watch each week. The Vikings aren't using Moss and he's half-a**ing it on the field again. I may be done waiting for the big game to come when his trade value might have a pulse.
 
Raiderfan32904 said:
howo5 said:
Could Randy Moss be a buy low still at this point? I think Belichick schemed against Randy, and he's also still learning the playbook. Hard to believe it can be this bad all year with 2 or 3 catches a game.
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I think he's more a "sell low".
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I think he could be a decent buy low if you have the depth to put him on your bench. I'd rather have him as my WR4/5 than other options. The problem with buying low on Moss is that the owner isn't likely to sell low. If they are holding onto him you are probably going to have to pay too much to get him. There was no way that he was going to do anything yesterday against the Patriots. They were blanketing him with the safety 20 yards off the ball, and he was getting mugged at the line of scrimmage. Chilly is too big of an idiot to adjust and get him open.
 
knickstorm said:
that pass interference at the end could've been an easy td, he got the call and pretty much stopped playing
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very :lmao: He catches that ball this tread would not be here. Now with PH hurt his value goes up
 
lazyike said:
On my team he's behind Ca Johnson, Maclin and Tampa's Mike Williams. He now can only be used at the flex in deep leagues or as a bye week replacement. He has more value for the Vikings getting double teams where he can longer has the ability to get the ball. He's also back to jogging on routes when he knows he not getting the ball. I considered benching him in favor of Blount at the flex but didn't and it could very likely cost me a victory. I've had him on the trading block for a RB for a couple weeks and the only offer I got was Torain. I'm now wishing I had done that deal.
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EXACTLY what I thought! That single play sums up Randy Moss' career.
 
I remember a lot of people saying the same things about him when he moved from Oakland to New England. A lot of people thought the same thing about T.O. this year as well. The guy is still a top shelf talent and this was his second week on a new team. I understand wanting to wait until he starts producing again before inserting him into your starting lineup, but reports of his fantasy death are a bit premature.

 
Gopher State said:
knickstorm said:
that pass interference at the end could've been an easy td, he got the call and pretty much stopped playing
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very :toilet: He catches that ball this tread would not be here. Now with PH hurt his value goes up
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The problem is...he did not catch the ball. He gave up on it...part of what people are going to say about him is that he is not giving his all.To this point, NE look like geniuses for getting those picks out of Minnesota for him.
 
KCC said:
I remember a lot of people saying the same things about him when he moved from Oakland to New England. A lot of people thought the same thing about T.O. this year as well. The guy is still a top shelf talent and this was his second week on a new team. I understand wanting to wait until he starts producing again before inserting him into your starting lineup, but reports of his fantasy death are a bit premature.
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This was his 4th week on the Vikings.
 
The Moz said:
If Moss sucks why does he make the #2 WR on his team a superstar???

Does your league award Moss a share of the points the #2 on his team scores? Mine doesn't. Moss has sucked as a fantasy wideout all season.

And just because DC's double him doesn't mean he doesn't suck. They are probably well aware that if he gets frustrated he quits trying. And what DC won't trade a PI call to save a TD? So Moss's suckage isn't about diminishing skills so much as it is about diminishing effort...which was always his issue. Moss sucks because he gives up. DC's still respect what he can do so they still try and take him out of the game. Fortunately for them, all they have to do is get him frustrated a bit and then he takes himself out of the game.

How many catches does Welker have right now?

How many catches did Moss have in NE this year? Again, this is fantasy football. But even in real life, how many WR's define greatness as a decoy? I hear crickets chirping. Being a decoy that gets others listed in the box score is something the great ones do a few times a game...but they still get theirs. They don't specialize in it for an entire season. If Moss's ONLY value is as a decoy, and right now it appears it is, it's a sure sign that he's done as an elite WR.

Hell He made Cris Carter look like a star well past his prime.

Now Percy Harvin is a bonifide WR 2 or even a weak #1

Today Moss BB was determined to not let Moss do anything as he was doubled at least every play He is still faster than most Wides and has better hands than most wides.

BB is the first to double Moss? No. Moss has been doubled his whole career. The problem is he can't beat double teams like he used to. It really doesn't matter how fast he is and how good his hands are if he can't seperate and isn't inspiring his QB to let him fight for it when coveraged. It used to be that you could force passes to Moss. Now, QB's look elsewhere because they don't trust him to keep it from being picked.

Also if I was Moss I would miss Brady too. A HOF first ballot QB in his prime vs. a HOF first ballot QB who is finished and washed up.

No question Brady is better than Favre. But then again, Harvin hasn't had any trouble catching lots of passes from a washed-up, past-his-prime HOF'er.
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sho nuff said:
KCC said:
I remember a lot of people saying the same things about him when he moved from Oakland to New England. A lot of people thought the same thing about T.O. this year as well. The guy is still a top shelf talent and this was his second week on a new team. I understand wanting to wait until he starts producing again before inserting him into your starting lineup, but reports of his fantasy death are a bit premature.
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This was his 4th week on the Vikings.
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You're right. My point is that the guy still has the same talent level he had before the trade and is still adjusting to a new playbook.
 
yeah I think its time for me to bench randy moss until someone learns to use him minnesota is allowing teams to take him out the game.. If u have weapon like that u find different ways to get him the ball! U don't just line him up out there to get pressed and double teamed! U get creative jerry rice used to get moved all over the fing field so did to in dallas wtf what bothers me the mos i never seen a wr get so much attention by the defense its crazy I watch andre and calvin they always seem to have one on one coverage or there teams find ways to get them open You very rarely see moss in motion no crossing routes nothing they just tell him to go long so instead of dictating to the defense they allow the defense to dictate to them!!

 
The Moz said:
If Moss sucks why does he make the #2 WR on his team a superstar???How many catches does Welker have right now? Hell He made Cris Carter look like a star well past his prime. Now Percy Harvin is a bonifide WR 2 or even a weak #1Today Moss BB was determined to not let Moss do anything as he was doubled at least every play He is still faster than most Wides and has better hands than most wides. Also if I was Moss I would miss Brady too. A HOF first ballot QB in his prime vs. a HOF first ballot QB who is finished and washed up.also,Loved he wore a Boston Red Sox hat in his "self" interview.
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So, does Randy Moss get paid that much money (and want that much in a new contract) to set up other guys and do little himself?
 
Might Randy Moss be the only NFL player to give up on two teams in the same NFL season?

And to think that some actually think that he is a better WR than Jerry Rice was. :lmao:

 
Let's just cut to the chase, it's Minnesota at home against the Cards next week, how many of you are really benching Moss until further notice?

I'm curious to see who really does when next Sunday comes around. I would like to say he's on my bench too, but I don't see starting Knox, Mike Wallace, or one of the Mike Williams's over Moss at home against Zona.

 
howo5 said:
Let's just cut to the chase, it's Minnesota at home against the Cards next week, how many of you are really benching Moss until further notice?I'm curious to see who really does when next Sunday comes around. I would like to say he's on my bench too, but I don't see starting Knox, Mike Wallace, or one of the Mike Williams's over Moss at home against Zona.
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Depending on what I see out of Garcon tonight...it will be he and Boldin in my lineup over Moss.Even considering Steve Johnson over Moss...though, I don't like the Chicago matchup.
 
at wr i got moss desean mike wallace and mike williams thinking bout going with desean and mike wallace ughhhh

 
kinged said:
If Harvin is banged up or misses time, surely Moss will see an uptick in targets.
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It's not going to get any better with Rice due back soon.I just wish he would have a 100 yard game to get this bad taste out of my mouth. The dude hasn't done that in a year.
 
hotlanta said:
kinged said:
If Harvin is banged up or misses time, surely Moss will see an uptick in targets.
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It's not going to get any better with Rice due back soon.
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I'm not sure Rice is going to return this season. But if he does that could actually help Moss in a small way. You put Moss and Rice outside with Harvin in the slot and defenses may not be so inclined to keep a safety over the top against Moss. Of course, that depends on Rice being healthy which may not be the case even if he does return. But a healthy or semi-healthy Rice means there's even less of a reason to throw to Moss - and it's not like the Vikings are making a concerted effort lately to get him the ball.
 
Gopher State said:
knickstorm said:
that pass interference at the end could've been an easy td, he got the call and pretty much stopped playing
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very :lol: He catches that ball this tread would not be here. Now with PH hurt his value goes up
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Unfortunately we don't get fantasy points for pass interferences against. I really thought he would light it up with the Vikes and they'd chuck it up to him 5 or 6 times a game. His productivity so far has been extremely dissappointing.
 
Pipes said:
Gopher State said:
knickstorm said:
that pass interference at the end could've been an easy td, he got the call and pretty much stopped playing
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very :lol: He catches that ball this tread would not be here. Now with PH hurt his value goes up
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Unfortunately we don't get fantasy points for pass interferences against. I really thought he would light it up with the Vikes and they'd chuck it up to him 5 or 6 times a game. His productivity so far has been extremely dissappointing.
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Yup. I'm also surprised by the inability by the Vikings to throw more deep balls to him. Even if he's struggling to gain separation you still have a 50-50 chance he could catch it or draw an interference penalty. The one deep ball Favre attempted yesterday was to Harvin. Seems to me that if you have Moss you might as well send him deep at least once a quarter and give it a shot. It's not like the Vikings' offense is piling on the points and winning games with its current approach.
 
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