R.Williams vs M.LeShoure (1 Viewer)

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

Just an observation.

Many experts had Williams as the 2nd best RB coming into this rookie draft w/ LeShoure 3rd best.

Others had LeShoure as 2nd best RB coming in w/ Williams 3rd.

Not saying everyone had them as #2 and #3 in some order. Just saying the general consensus, outside of some deviating from this a bit, had them behind Ingram, but ahead of the rest (Thomas, Hunter, Powell, Vereen, Murray, etc).

Now Williams is in Arizona and LeShoure ends up in Detroit. Both of those teams already have young talented RBs.

- AZ has Wells, who admittedly did not have a great season. But his rookie year wasn't too bad. Moreover, with only 2 years in the league - verdict is still out. He was a former 1st pick - 31st overall. A better QB situation would probably help him

- Detroit has Best, who is another guy that has youth and talent. But instead of crummy QB situation, he suffers with turf toe problems - so the verdict is still out. He was a former 1st pick - 30th overall.

Yet for some reason on these boards and elsewhere - I am seeing POST-DRAFT Williams emerge as the definite #2 (behind Ingram); while LeShoure is supposedly clearly behind Williams - and many think behind D.Thomas as well.

My point is: if some had them as 2 and 3 in some order behind Ingram pre-NFL draft; then why post NFL draft with somewhat similar situations (ie, both going to NFL teams that have recently drafted a RB) is Williams supposedly the clear cut 2 (behind Ingram) with LeShoure getting ranked 3, 4 or even 5 by many (among RBs)?

I am not saying I know which is better. I am truly curious as to people's thoughts on this. Thanks.

 

[D.J.]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

This is precisely why I took Ryan Williams today at 1.5 over LeShoure and I have both Wells and Best.

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

Good points. But I think the biggest thing working against Wells was poor QB play. Afterall, in 2009 his rookie year, he did a lot better when Warner was behind center. That year he averaged more than a full yard more than last year (4.5 vs 3.4). And he looked promising. Many believe the bad QB situation hurt him in 2010. If that is the case, Arizona still has a bad QB situation even when Williams arrives. And if by chance they do get a good QB in there, then who is to say Wells won't go back to his 4.5 ypc and look good again?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

Good points. But I think the biggest thing working against Wells was poor QB play. Afterall, in 2009 his rookie year, he did a lot better when Warner was behind center. That year he averaged more than a full yard more than last year (4.5 vs 3.4). And he looked promising. Many believe the bad QB situation hurt him in 2010. If that is the case, Arizona still has a bad QB situation even when Williams arrives. And if by chance they do get a good QB in there, then who is to say Wells won't go back to his 4.5 ypc and look good again?

Wells seems to hate pain. At least Best was out there trying to play with turf toe. I doubt Wells would have ever been in uniform let alone give it a go.

 

[madd futher]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

Good points. But I think the biggest thing working against Wells was poor QB play. Afterall, in 2009 his rookie year, he did a lot better when Warner was behind center. That year he averaged more than a full yard more than last year (4.5 vs 3.4). And he looked promising. Many believe the bad QB situation hurt him in 2010. If that is the case, Arizona still has a bad QB situation even when Williams arrives. And if by chance they do get a good QB in there, then who is to say Wells won't go back to his 4.5 ypc and look good again?

Wells seems to hate pain. At least Best was out there trying to play with turf toe. I doubt Wells would have ever been in uniform let alone give it a go.

Exactly. Best will give it 100% with a double turf toe. Wells' play is impeded by a broken toe nail.

 

[Boom Switch]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

Good points. But I think the biggest thing working against Wells was poor QB play. Afterall, in 2009 his rookie year, he did a lot better when Warner was behind center. That year he averaged more than a full yard more than last year (4.5 vs 3.4). And he looked promising. Many believe the bad QB situation hurt him in 2010. If that is the case, Arizona still has a bad QB situation even when Williams arrives. And if by chance they do get a good QB in there, then who is to say Wells won't go back to his 4.5 ypc and look good again?

Wells seems to hate pain. At least Best was out there trying to play with turf toe. I doubt Wells would have ever been in uniform let alone give it a go.

Exactly. Best will give it 100% with a double turf toe. Wells' play is impeded by a broken toe nail.

Best will also be starting the year off healthy from last years toe. I like a healthy best in ppr leagues. I have best and i dont plan on drafting Leshoure at 1.4

 

[jon_mx]

I don't see Best being a work house type back. I see almost a 50-50 split in touches between LeShoure and Best, which Best getting the bulk of catches and LeShoure getting the short yardage duties. Probably be some kind of rotation on series depending upon how the game is progressing. If pass protection is a problem, they will probably lean on LeShoure more.

 

[Mister CIA]

Don't know for sure, but I think Tom Kowalski is a well-respected beat writer for the Lions. He said that it is LeShoure that will be the change of pace back for the Lions.

Link

During his three-year career at Illinois, LeShoure averaged 6.5 yards per carry and rushed for 1,697 yards last season. His role on the team will be as a change-of-pace back to Jahvid Best and to also handle the workload in situations -- four-minute offense (when the Lions are trying to kill the clock), short yardage and goal-line.

Good for LeShoure if he gets goal-line carries, but as of now I think Best is clearly the guy to start week in and week out.

 

[Boom Switch]

Don't know for sure, but I think Tom Kowalski is a well-respected beat writer for the Lions. He said that it is LeShoure that will be the change of pace back for the Lions.

Link

During his three-year career at Illinois, LeShoure averaged 6.5 yards per carry and rushed for 1,697 yards last season. His role on the team will be as a change-of-pace back to Jahvid Best and to also handle the workload in situations -- four-minute offense (when the Lions are trying to kill the clock), short yardage and goal-line.

Good for LeShoure if he gets goal-line carries, but as of now I think Best is clearly the guy to start week in and week out.

I can see Leshoure getting the short yardage stuff, but best is the gamebreaker, they will try to get him the ball as much as possible. PPR i think he will be the man as long as he is healthy..

 

[Eramm]

First of all in az his toughness was never an issue. He accually had surgury on the knee and they injected a lube and he had an allergic reaction which caused more missed time with swelling. All the while he played with a twisted ankle. That hurt his production. His main problem is the inability to pass block and fumbling. Hightower had the same issue. Whiz made it clear all season.if they put the ball on the ground and can't block they dont play. during the season when they had a fumble they wouldn't finish the game thats how serious it got.so far we in az have not seen any improvement in his protection. They played 4 backs last season. Jason Wright was the#3 back with larod stephens-howlings as the 4th. Larod wont see much time due to his need on special teams. Hightowers contract is expiring and wont be back. If williams can pass block and hold on to the ball he will see big playing time and may take over as the#1. If a back gets hot whiz rides him. I think williams has more value than beanie and certainly more than hightower especially long term.

 

[eakfootball]

I love both as players. But Williams has the better situation.

 

[thehornet]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

This is precisely why I took Ryan Williams today at 1.5 over LeShoure and I have both Wells and Best.

best is a bell cow? first time i've ever heard that about him.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I think its because people have a lot more faith in best being the bell cow in detroit opposed to wells being the man in arizona. It's also clear that best and leshoure are teamed to compliment each other. I think there its a good chance that williams could replace wells

Good points. But I think the biggest thing working against Wells was poor QB play. Afterall, in 2009 his rookie year, he did a lot better when Warner was behind center. That year he averaged more than a full yard more than last year (4.5 vs 3.4). And he looked promising. Many believe the bad QB situation hurt him in 2010. If that is the case, Arizona still has a bad QB situation even when Williams arrives. And if by chance they do get a good QB in there, then who is to say Wells won't go back to his 4.5 ypc and look good again?

Wells seems to hate pain. At least Best was out there trying to play with turf toe. I doubt Wells would have ever been in uniform let alone give it a go.

Exactly. Best will give it 100% with a double turf toe. Wells' play is impeded by a broken toe nail.

I think Best is closer to Marshall Faulk than Reggie Bush and I think many people believe the same. The Lions appear to be looking for a complement to Best, at best. The Cardinals appear to be looking for a guy to replace Hightower and Wells or at least bump one and push the other extremely hard.

 

[Patoons]

Don't know for sure, but I think Tom Kowalski is a well-respected beat writer for the Lions. He said that it is LeShoure that will be the change of pace back for the Lions.

Link

During his three-year career at Illinois, LeShoure averaged 6.5 yards per carry and rushed for 1,697 yards last season. His role on the team will be as a change-of-pace back to Jahvid Best and to also handle the workload in situations -- four-minute offense (when the Lions are trying to kill the clock), short yardage and goal-line.

Good for LeShoure if he gets goal-line carries, but as of now I think Best is clearly the guy to start week in and week out.

I don't know. From this draft and the past few seasons, it really seems like team's are going FULL RBBC with some talented backs. I wouldn't be surprised to see best split out wide and Leshoure in the backfield quite often and I think we're going to see a fairly even split depending over the course of the year and an unpredictable split week in and week out depending on the game.

 

[Go deep]

Talent is the biggest factor in dynasty rankings, so if you think Leshoure and Williams are clearly more talented than the rest of the backs, than situation shoudnt matter too much. Situation of course does matter more with RB's than other positions, so you have to take it into account, but talent is #1.

I personally didnt think any RB after Ingram was a cant miss prospect. I like Willliams 2nd, and Leshoure 3rd, but i liked Vereen, Thomas and Powell as much as Leshoure, and a few others almost as much, so situation was bound to play a big factor in my rankings.

 

[Go deep]

Don't know for sure, but I think Tom Kowalski is a well-respected beat writer for the Lions. He said that it is LeShoure that will be the change of pace back for the Lions.

Link

During his three-year career at Illinois, LeShoure averaged 6.5 yards per carry and rushed for 1,697 yards last season. His role on the team will be as a change-of-pace back to Jahvid Best and to also handle the workload in situations -- four-minute offense (when the Lions are trying to kill the clock), short yardage and goal-line.

Good for LeShoure if he gets goal-line carries, but as of now I think Best is clearly the guy to start week in and week out.

I don't know. From this draft and the past few seasons, it really seems like team's are going FULL RBBC with some talented backs. I wouldn't be surprised to see best split out wide and Leshoure in the backfield quite often and I think we're going to see a fairly even split depending over the course of the year and an unpredictable split week in and week out depending on the game.

Alot of people were saying the same thing about the Oakland backfield last offseason. Coincidentally enough people thought Mcfadden couldnt handle a full load because he missed alot of time with turf toe injuries. I dont have a problem with people thinking Leshoure is going to be the main ball carrier in Detroit, as long as they think it because he is more talented than Best.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The simple answer to this question is that the FBG love affair with Jahvid Best will never be stifled until he's out of the league entirely.

The Lions could trade for Adrian Peterson (the good one) and this board would tell us that the best case scenario for Peterson is a time share with Best.

 

[footballsavvy]

The simple answer to this question is that the FBG love affair with Jahvid Best will never be stifled until he's out of the league entirely.The Lions could trade for Adrian Peterson (the good one) and this board would tell us that the best case scenario for Peterson is a time share with Best.

Are you talking about the same Jahvid Best who was a rookie last year and had over 70 fantasy points in his first two starts before getting injured for the rest of the season? Is that the same Jahvid Best whom you can't comprehend why people aren't giving up on him yet?

 

[jon_mx]

Don't know for sure, but I think Tom Kowalski is a well-respected beat writer for the Lions. He said that it is LeShoure that will be the change of pace back for the Lions.

Link

During his three-year career at Illinois, LeShoure averaged 6.5 yards per carry and rushed for 1,697 yards last season. His role on the team will be as a change-of-pace back to Jahvid Best and to also handle the workload in situations -- four-minute offense (when the Lions are trying to kill the clock), short yardage and goal-line.

Good for LeShoure if he gets goal-line carries, but as of now I think Best is clearly the guy to start week in and week out.

I don't know. From this draft and the past few seasons, it really seems like team's are going FULL RBBC with some talented backs. I wouldn't be surprised to see best split out wide and Leshoure in the backfield quite often and I think we're going to see a fairly even split depending over the course of the year and an unpredictable split week in and week out depending on the game.

Alot of people were saying the same thing about the Oakland backfield last offseason. Coincidentally enough people thought Mcfadden couldnt handle a full load because he missed alot of time with turf toe injuries. I dont have a problem with people thinking Leshoure is going to be the main ball carrier in Detroit, as long as they think it because he is more talented than Best.

I don't think Best showed to be a great between the tackle runner. I think the plan is to get Leshoure most of the carries and Best to get most of the catches and to be a change of pace back. I think they both will be good RB2, but neither will be RB1 material.

 

[Boom Switch]

The simple answer to this question is that the FBG love affair with Jahvid Best will never be stifled until he's out of the league entirely.The Lions could trade for Adrian Peterson (the good one) and this board would tell us that the best case scenario for Peterson is a time share with Best.

Are you talking about the same Jahvid Best who was a rookie last year and had over 70 fantasy points in his first two starts before getting injured for the rest of the season? Is that the same Jahvid Best whom you can't comprehend why people aren't giving up on him yet?

Well yeah but he got hurt? Obviously he will now be hurt every year around week 2 dont ya know...

 

[Patoons]

Alot of people were saying the same thing about the Oakland backfield last offseason. Coincidentally enough people thought Mcfadden couldnt handle a full load because he missed alot of time with turf toe injuries. I dont have a problem with people thinking Leshoure is going to be the main ball carrier in Detroit, as long as they think it because he is more talented than Best.

That's fair, but Oakland didn't spend a 2nd round pick in 2010 on a back to come in and play with McFadden. If Detroit spent the pick after having Best... Leshoure is going to see plenty of touches.Leshoure is certainly better between the tackles than Best is.

 

[Go deep]

Alot of people were saying the same thing about the Oakland backfield last offseason. Coincidentally enough people thought Mcfadden couldnt handle a full load because he missed alot of time with turf toe injuries. I dont have a problem with people thinking Leshoure is going to be the main ball carrier in Detroit, as long as they think it because he is more talented than Best.

That's fair, but Oakland didn't spend a 2nd round pick in 2010 on a back to come in and play with McFadden. If Detroit spent the pick after having Best... Leshoure is going to see plenty of touches.Leshoure is certainly better between the tackles than Best is.

I dont know that at all. I think people assume bigger backs are better between the tackles, but i havent seen anything to lead me to beilive that will be the case here. Best only had two healthy games last season, so its too early to say he didnt look good between the tackles, and Leshoure only had one good season in college so its too ealry to say he is going to be good at anything in the NFL.Like is said before, the more talented back will get the most tocuhes, I think that player is Best.

 

[ty247]

Alot of people were saying the same thing about the Oakland backfield last offseason. Coincidentally enough people thought Mcfadden couldnt handle a full load because he missed alot of time with turf toe injuries. I dont have a problem with people thinking Leshoure is going to be the main ball carrier in Detroit, as long as they think it because he is more talented than Best.

That's fair, but Oakland didn't spend a 2nd round pick in 2010 on a back to come in and play with McFadden. If Detroit spent the pick after having Best... Leshoure is going to see plenty of touches.Leshoure is certainly better between the tackles than Best is.

I dont know that at all. I think people assume bigger backs are better between the tackles, but i havent seen anything to lead me to beilive that will be the case here. Best only had two healthy games last season, so its too early to say he didnt look good between the tackles, and Leshoure only had one good season in college so its too ealry to say he is going to be good at anything in the NFL.Like is said before, the more talented back will get the most tocuhes, I think that player is Best.

Who do you have as the more talented back? Williams or LeShoure?

 

[Go deep]

Alot of people were saying the same thing about the Oakland backfield last offseason. Coincidentally enough people thought Mcfadden couldnt handle a full load because he missed alot of time with turf toe injuries. I dont have a problem with people thinking Leshoure is going to be the main ball carrier in Detroit, as long as they think it because he is more talented than Best.

That's fair, but Oakland didn't spend a 2nd round pick in 2010 on a back to come in and play with McFadden. If Detroit spent the pick after having Best... Leshoure is going to see plenty of touches.Leshoure is certainly better between the tackles than Best is.

I dont know that at all. I think people assume bigger backs are better between the tackles, but i havent seen anything to lead me to beilive that will be the case here. Best only had two healthy games last season, so its too early to say he didnt look good between the tackles, and Leshoure only had one good season in college so its too ealry to say he is going to be good at anything in the NFL.Like is said before, the more talented back will get the most tocuhes, I think that player is Best.

Who do you have as the more talented back? Williams or LeShoure?

Williams