Racist rancher,feds at a standoff.Drone strike looming! (1 Viewer)

[Lutherman2112]

My concern was how the BLM has handled this and with the killing of the cattle(6 now I believe is the latest report).

What report? There have been a lot of wackball reports about this situation so some information there would help. Thanks.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25310508/breaking-news-blm-says-six-cattle-died-in-bundy-roundup

The part of that story that caught my eye: "Two other unbranded animals were euthanized, while two more unbranded animals died."

If the BLM were to ever seize Bundy's cattle for resale, they are going to have a hard time selling with feral cattle in the herd.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Where was all the armed support and media support for Colvin in the 2006 case against BLM?

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/colvin.htm

I don't think anybody ever heard of this Colvin case until now....

one key difference is that the US govt didn't change the rules on him as they did in the Bundy case initiating the dispute/boycott.

What rules were changed again?

The Feds went from saying "you lost, pay up" but then looking the other way to saying "you lost, pay up" and not looking the other way. Totally different.

I'm gonna try this with Verizon. Won't pay my cable bill for several months and then when they "suddenly" threaten to disconnect my service I'll be like "how dare you change the rules!"

 

[Rove!]

Where was all the armed support and media support for Colvin in the 2006 case against BLM?

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/colvin.htm

I don't think anybody ever heard of this Colvin case until now....

one key difference is that the US govt didn't change the rules on him as they did in the Bundy case initiating the dispute/boycott.

What rules were changed again?

The grazing rules....try to keep up

 

[BigSteelThrill]

A List of Cliven Bundy's Supporters, Now That We Know He's a Pro-Slavery Racist1.0 Rove!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm not sure why I didn't follow this story a little closer when I first heard about it, what a hoot.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Look here is the perfect example of the average KooK!

 

[SacramentoBob]

That was only a matter of time.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Liberal propaganda machine will smear any real patriot who stands between Reids Chinese friends getting land for their solar panels!

 

[TobiasFunke]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

I feel like we're not giving this post enough love (it was at the end of a page for me). It's really top notch. I particularly like #1, wherein it was deemed important to clarify that slavery was actually really bad. But they're all works of art in their own way.

 

[Rove!]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

I feel like we're not giving this post enough love (it was at the end of a page for me). It's really top notch. I particularly like #1, wherein it was deemed important to clarify that slavery was actually really bad. But they're all works of art in their own way.

When you know you've hit rock bottom:

-- resorting to "character assassination" on a relatively anonymous football message board in a "debate" over a Kook's dispute with KrooKs...

 

[tommyGunZ]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

I feel like we're not giving this post enough love (it was at the end of a page for me). It's really top notch. I particularly like #1, wherein it was deemed important to clarify that slavery was actually really bad. But they're all works of art in their own way.

#3 is my favorite. If only we had given poor people less, they'd be better off.

 

[pantagrapher]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

I feel like we're not giving this post enough love (it was at the end of a page for me). It's really top notch. I particularly like #1, wherein it was deemed important to clarify that slavery was actually really bad. But they're all works of art in their own way.

When you know you've hit rock bottom:

-- resorting to "character assassination" on a relatively anonymous football message board in a "debate" over a Kook's dispute with KrooKs...

Alinsky Playbook, Page 37, fig. 413

 

[TobiasFunke]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

I feel like we're not giving this post enough love (it was at the end of a page for me). It's really top notch. I particularly like #1, wherein it was deemed important to clarify that slavery was actually really bad. But they're all works of art in their own way.

When you know you've hit rock bottom:

-- resorting to "character assassination" on a relatively anonymous football message board in a "debate" over a Kook's dispute with KrooKs...

I don't know if that's really "rock bottom." I mean don't get me wrong, I'm pretty low. But I kind of think that feeling the need to partially defend the musings of a racist crook while also thinking it important to clarify that slavery was actually not that cool would be lower.

 

[TobiasFunke]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

I feel like we're not giving this post enough love (it was at the end of a page for me). It's really top notch. I particularly like #1, wherein it was deemed important to clarify that slavery was actually really bad. But they're all works of art in their own way.

When you know you've hit rock bottom:

-- resorting to "character assassination" on a relatively anonymous football message board in a "debate" over a Kook's dispute with KrooKs...

I don't know if that's really "rock bottom." I mean don't get me wrong, I'm pretty low. But I kind of think that feeling the need to partially defend the musings of a racist crook while also thinking it important to clarify that slavery was actually not that cool would be lower.

Also let me add, since it clearly needs to be said: owning slaves would be worse than engaging in a character assassination on an internet message board.

 

[urbanhack]

Liberal propaganda machine will smear any real patriot who stands between Reids Chinese friends getting land for their solar panels!

is this set to auto-post every other day????

 

[squistion]

From Joan Walsh at Salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/24/roger_ailes_owns_cliven_bundy_now_how_dumb_opportunism_became_a_right_wing_nightmare/

Roger Ailes owns Cliven Bundy now: How dumb opportunism became a right-wing nightmare

Sean Hannity has been the racist rancher’s top backer, and Fox and the GOP made him a cause. Now he's their problem

...Surprise! Sean Hannity’s hero, whose cause has been embraced by Sens. Dean Heller of Nevada and Rand Paul of Kentucky along with Texas Gov. Rick Perry, turns out to be an old-time Republican racist, the kind that even Jonathan Chait recognizes, and Fox News and the GOP have a problem.



Until now I’ve ignored Bundy because he’s an extremist and a freak, and even Glenn Beck has denounced him. I was reluctant to use him against the GOP. But as he’s gotten support from the likes of Paul and Perry, two respected 2016 candidates, plus regular backing from Hannity and Nevada Sen. Heller, he’s become a huge problem for the right.

The welfare rancher has grazed his cattle for free and owes the government more than a million dollars, but to his admirers he’s leading an American insurrection. “This is the beginning of taking America back,” Shawna Cox of Kanab, Utah, told the New York Times. From whom? Shawna doesn’t have to say.

Asked about Bundy’s virulently racist remarks by the Times, Rand Paul was “not available for immediate comment.” What courage. At least Dean Heller’s office immediately condemned the “appalling and racist statements.” Here’s a tip for Rand Paul: You’re a libertarian. Give your staff the liberty to tell the media you abhor racist comments, even if you’re not around. (Update: Paul released a statement condemning Bundy’s remarks Thursday morning.)...

Then there’s Sean Hannity. As Jon Stewart said, his Bundy-boosting has made Glenn Beck “the voice of reason.” But Hannity has repeatedly rejected the criticism, claiming Stewart “is kind of obsessed with me,” while Bundy has called Hannity his “hero.”...

I don’t expect Hannity to say a word about Bundy’s predictable descent into the muck of racism, but I’d love to be surprised.

 

[Premier]

I love that none of these idiots saw this coming. 5 seconds of looking and listening to that guy could have predicted this outcome.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Andrew KaczynskiVerified account
‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
MSNBC mentions of Bundy today: 26, Fox News: 2, Fox News mentions of Bundy in April before today: 458

 

[CBusAlex]

Where have you gone, Joe Wurzelbacher?

Plumbin' Joe has left and gone away

Hey hey hey

 

[TheIronSheik]

So they guy mooching off of the government, who is upset because the government won't give him free stuff is mad because minorities mooch off of the government and want free stuff?

Awesome.

 

[BRONG]

I can't join the thread until the OP puts a space after that comma.

 

[The General]

Where was all the armed support and media support for Colvin in the 2006 case against BLM?

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/colvin.htm

I don't think anybody ever heard of this Colvin case until now....

one key difference is that the US govt didn't change the rules on him as they did in the Bundy case initiating the dispute/boycott.

What rules were changed again?

The grazing rules....try to keep up

Don't have a lot of time to dedicate to this story about a mooching faux-patriot so I'm depending on folks like you to fill me in. Am still trying to figure out the other side of this argument.



When rules/laws change we just don't have to follow them if we don't like?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I love that none of these idiots saw this coming. 5 seconds of looking and listening to that guy could have predicted this outcome.

It's pretty much SOP now that these right-wing "patriots" turn out to be dyed in the wool racists (too many to count), completely bat#### (looking at you, Orly Taitz) or just comically inept (Joe the Plumber, the Unskewer guy).

You'd think the suits at FOX would learn how to use teh Google and spend a few minutes learning about these guys before they fluff them to heroic heights. The Republican Brand is in tatters.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Where was all the armed support and media support for Colvin in the 2006 case against BLM?

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/colvin.htm

I don't think anybody ever heard of this Colvin case until now....

one key difference is that the US govt didn't change the rules on him as they did in the Bundy case initiating the dispute/boycott.

What rules were changed again?

The grazing rules....try to keep up

Don't have a lot of time to dedicate to this story about a mooching faux-patriot so I'm depending on folks like you to fill me in. Am still trying to figure out the other side of this argument.



When rules/laws change we just don't have to follow them if we don't like?

GOVERNMENT OVERREACH!!!

A friend of mine has become increasingly kooky in the militia/"true libertarian" way over the past year or so, and it's scary how delusional many of these extreme groups are with this. He posts 10-20 links a day to blogs/message boards/sites that are treating this like it's their version of the rapture. Organizing pilgrimages to the Bundy ranch, posting crazed anti-government posts, etc.

It's an interesting window into a mindset I would otherwise be unfamiliar with, but it's also a bit unsettling to see this stuff.

Boy, they do not like Obama.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I love that none of these idiots saw this coming. 5 seconds of looking and listening to that guy could have predicted this outcome.

It's pretty much SOP now that these right-wing "patriots" turn out to be dyed in the wool racists (too many to count), completely bat#### (looking at you, Orly Taitz) or just comically inept (Joe the Plumber, the Unskewer guy).

You'd think the suits at FOX would learn how to use teh Google and spend a few minutes learning about these guys before they fluff them to heroic heights. The Republican Brand is in tatters.

Fox suits have no incentive to waste their time source/fact checking. Their sheep don't seem to care.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Where was all the armed support and media support for Colvin in the 2006 case against BLM?

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/use/colvin.htm

I don't think anybody ever heard of this Colvin case until now....

one key difference is that the US govt didn't change the rules on him as they did in the Bundy case initiating the dispute/boycott.

What rules were changed again?

From ABCNews (old, two weeks ago):

Bundy's beef with federal land management officials dates back to 1993, according to federal officials, when Bundy's allotment for grazing his cattle on public land was modified to include protections for the desert tortoise. Bundy, who told the Associated Press his family has been ranching this part of Nevada since the 1870s, did not accept the modified terms, and continued to let his cattle graze anyway.

After legal maneuverings on both sides, a Nevada district court judge in 2013 permanently enjoined Bundy's cattle (some 900, by the government's count) from grazing on public property. The judge reiterated that decision in 2013 and authorized the U.S. government to impound the cattle.

 

[timschochet]

But even if Fox backs away, this story still isn't over right? Is there still going to have to be some kind of confrontation?

 

[The General]

But even if Fox backs away, this story still isn't over right? Is there still going to have to be some kind of confrontation?

BUT, HARRY ####### REID!!!1!!1

 

[fatness]

The video is here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/24/video-cliven-bundys-racist-comments/199008

And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FbnRnhrNFEY

The Bundy Ranch facebook page says his words were "taken out of context" so you can see the full context in the video. Judging by the comments on that FB page, Bundy fans are mostly supporting what he said, saying it's unimportant, and that BLM is "playing the race card". And there's the "you knew it was coming" picture of a black person at Bundy's ranch. https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/posts/631224826954329?stream_ref=10

 

[fatness]

Awesomely, Bundy had a press conference again today.

Bundy took questions from the press after first pretending not to know why so much additional media had arrived at his ranch this afternoon. He defended the comments he made about “negros” by stressing the fact that he was just “wondering” if African-Americans were “better off as slaves,” and is still “wondering.” He said he does not know for a fact that they were.

The rancher also addressed reactions from conservative media figures like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, who both repudiated his remarks on the radio earlier today.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-live-cliven-bundy-holds-press-conference/

I hope this guy gives a press conference every day.

"Would they be happier if they were home? Talking about the south, where they come from, with their gardens and their chickens and their children playing around them"

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The video is here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/24/video-cliven-bundys-racist-comments/199008

And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FbnRnhrNFEY

The Bundy Ranch facebook page says his words were "taken out of context" so you can see the full context in the video. Judging by the comments on that FB page, Bundy fans are mostly supporting what he said, saying it's unimportant, and that BLM is "playing the race card". And there's the "you knew it was coming" picture of a black person at Bundy's ranch. https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/posts/631224826954329?stream_ref=10

I would really love to get context under which what he said would be okay.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

The video is here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/24/video-cliven-bundys-racist-comments/199008

And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FbnRnhrNFEY

The Bundy Ranch facebook page says his words were "taken out of context" so you can see the full context in the video. Judging by the comments on that FB page, Bundy fans are mostly supporting what he said, saying it's unimportant, and that BLM is "playing the race card". And there's the "you knew it was coming" picture of a black person at Bundy's ranch. https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/posts/631224826954329?stream_ref=10

I would really love to get context under which what he said would be okay.

Rehearsing for a school play?

 

[fatness]

Mr. Bundy disputes the legitimacy of both the bureau and the courts that have ruled against him. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to honor a federal court that has no jurisdiction or authority or arresting power over we the people,” he said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140423-patriot-or-terrorist-feelings-run-high-about-armed-nevada-rancher-who-repelled-feds.ece

He digs photo-ops with the flag, though, so he's got that going for him.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He digs photo-ops with the flag, though, so he's got that going for him.

You couldn't ask for a better picture.

 

[Todd Andrews]

He digs photo-ops with the flag, though, so he's got that going for him.

You couldn't ask for a better picture.

While that is a beautiful patriotic image, this one of Reagan beats it, I think.

 

[The General]

He digs photo-ops with the flag, though, so he's got that going for him.

You couldn't ask for a better picture.

That is awesome. He needs to be firing some badass guns while jumping over a pit of fire or something.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Andrew KaczynskiVerified account
‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
MSNBC mentions of Bundy today: 26, Fox News: 2, Fox News mentions of Bundy in April before today: 458

This is right on point with everything the right does.

 

[Ursa M]

Mr. Bundy disputes the legitimacy of both the bureau and the courts that have ruled against him. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to honor a federal court that has no jurisdiction or authority or arresting power over we the people,” he said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140423-patriot-or-terrorist-feelings-run-high-about-armed-nevada-rancher-who-repelled-feds.ece

He digs photo-ops with the flag, though, so he's got that going for him.

I wonder if him or his supporters are aware of the obvious irony?

 

[fatness]

That picture is from wnd's interview with him, btw. http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/americas-newest-hero-meet-the-real-cliven-bundy/

I'm sure they just happened by while he was out for his morning ride.

 

[timschochet]

The video is here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/24/video-cliven-bundys-racist-comments/199008

And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FbnRnhrNFEY

The Bundy Ranch facebook page says his words were "taken out of context" so you can see the full context in the video. Judging by the comments on that FB page, Bundy fans are mostly supporting what he said, saying it's unimportant, and that BLM is "playing the race card". And there's the "you knew it was coming" picture of a black person at Bundy's ranch. https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch/posts/631224826954329?stream_ref=10

I would really love to get context under which what he said would be okay.

If John C. Calhoun were alive today, don't you suppose he might wonder if ....

All I got.

 

[timschochet]

Damn, some of those comments on that Facebook page are truly disturbing:

We all knew it wouldn't be long before the government and media tried to turn everyone against Cliven. It was their plan all along, so that he wouldn't have supporters, and instead make him a villain.

I read the remarks. Any thinking person knows they are not racist. Poorly worded yes, but he makes the point that being under government control does not make you better off. He could have chosen a better analogy to illustrate the point.

I have never met Mr Cliven Bundy are his family but I know in my heart there good people and true Americans screw the media and the government. God bless the Bundy family.

Y'all are missing the whole point of what's going on here. Using racism to take away from the fact that the govt will not stop til they either own or control everything! It has absolutely nothing to do with race!!!!!

 

[The General]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

Cliven Bundy's congressman: Steven Horsford

 

[The General]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Cliven Bundy. Right-wing hero.

1. He clearly lacks an understanding of how much if an atrocity slavery was. Family life? Kids and wives were sold to others. Terribly uneducated thing to say

2. He also is not aware that most welfare recipients are white. I know that the MSM has sold a different caricature, but that's not reality

3. His observation that the social safety net structure and breakdown of the family has not served poor people well is correct.

Thanks for clearing this up for us.

 

[Porkchop Express]

Andrew KaczynskiVerified account
‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
MSNBC mentions of Bundy today: 26, Fox News: 2, Fox News mentions of Bundy in April before today: 458

Would love to see an end of the day update of this.

 

[Dr Oadi]

You know who isn't racist? Harry Reid. He has Chinese friends. So close friends that he is getting them public lands for their solar panels. Great guy he is.

 

[urbanhack]

You know who isn't racist? Harry Reid. He has Chinese friends. So close friends that he is getting them public lands for their solar panels. Great guy he is.

Up to twice a day now I see.

 

[The General]

Andrew KaczynskiVerified account
‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
MSNBC mentions of Bundy today: 26, Fox News: 2, Fox News mentions of Bundy in April before today: 458

Would love to see an end of the day update of this.

Tonight should be an extra special Hannity.

 

[Lutherman2112]

You know who isn't racist? Harry Reid. He has Chinese friends. So close friends that he is getting them public lands for their solar panels. Great guy he is.

Up to twice a day now I see.

We should applaud the efforts of the "special people."

 

[Steve Tasker]

What a racist piece of #### this guy is....

 

[fatness]

One of the militia groups who joined the effort to “protect” the Bundy family and their ranch from the armed Bureau of Land Management (BLM) rangers admitted they are prepared to use deadly force in self-defense in Nevada or Texas. Several militia groups have joined ranks to provide “protection” to keep the BLM from taking property from the Bundy Ranch, most of which operates on federally owned land.

Scott Shaw, co-founder of the Oklahoma Volunteer Militia says he is just an average American who goes to work every day and pays his taxes. He described his militia members as “every-day citizens ...We just have a strong conviction for freedom and liberty and upholding the Constitution. We are just here in case our court system fails us and we have to stand up to the federal government.”

Breitbart Texas inquired if they were prepared to use deadly force. “Yes sir,” Shaw responded, “we are prepared…We certainly hope it doesn’t go that route but, with the track record of the federal government, it doesn’t look very promising that that’s going to happen.”

Shaw describes some of the scenarios that could bring his militia groups to the point of being forced into firing on federal agents. In one situation where the government might use rubber bullets against protesters or the militia, Shaw explained, “How are we supposed to know that they’re firing rubber bullets when it has been fired?”

This brings back the issue of training. Breitbart Texas attempted to drill down into what kind of training his militia members have received to prepare them to make possible life and death decisions. Shaw did not shed much light on their training or lack thereof.

“I would think most people,” Shaw began, “it’s pretty much common sense. You don’t have to a lot of training. It’s common sense, you don’t fire unless fired upon, number one. Other than that, we do have members that are prior military, some that are currently in the military and a lot of us have concealed weapons licenses--we’ve gone through that type of training. But to say, like a formal training by a licensed agency, I wouldn’t say all of the members have gone through training like that. But, we all understand the severity of the situation. We don’t take it lightly. It’s not like we’re out there carrying the weapons just to carry them around.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/24/Militia-to-BLM-We-are-prepared-to-use-Deadly-Force