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Racist rancher,feds at a standoff.Drone strike looming! (1 Viewer)

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
Race traitor!
Racist old white guys LOVE Mexicans doncha know.
They also tend to use terms like "those people," "us white people," and make sweeping generalizations about entire populations based on race/religion/color of skin/etc.
isn't that what you're doing right now ? LOL
Identifying the attributes of a racist does not make one racist. Just like identifying the attributes of a candy bar does not make one a Snickers.
The guy isn't a racist.

 
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
Race traitor!
Racist old white guys LOVE Mexicans doncha know.
They also tend to use terms like "those people," "us white people," and make sweeping generalizations about entire populations based on race/religion/color of skin/etc.
isn't that what you're doing right now ? LOL
Identifying the attributes of a racist does not make one racist. Just like identifying the attributes of a candy bar does not make one a Snickers.
The guy isn't a racist.
Sure he is.

 
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
Race traitor!
Racist old white guys LOVE Mexicans doncha know.
They also tend to use terms like "those people," "us white people," and make sweeping generalizations about entire populations based on race/religion/color of skin/etc.
isn't that what you're doing right now ? LOL
Identifying the attributes of a racist does not make one racist. Just like identifying the attributes of a candy bar does not make one a Snickers.
The guy isn't a racist.
White?

Educated in America?

Have a penis?

If you answered yes to all three questions you are a racist!

 
The guy isn't a racist.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, along with Sean Hannity (plus many other conservatives) disagree. Haven't heard any of them defend Bundy and say he is not a racist. They are running like scalded dogs to distance themselves from his comments (and if those remarks really weren't racist, why should they? If they had proof they could show what he said was taken out of context as some claim).

 
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
Race traitor!
Racist old white guys LOVE Mexicans doncha know.
They also tend to use terms like "those people," "us white people," and make sweeping generalizations about entire populations based on race/religion/color of skin/etc.
isn't that what you're doing right now ? LOL
Identifying the attributes of a racist does not make one racist. Just like identifying the attributes of a candy bar does not make one a Snickers.
The guy isn't a racist.
White?

Educated in America?

Have a penis?

If you answered yes to all three questions you are a racist!
They also hate women!

 
The guy isn't a racist.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, along with Sean Hannity (plus many other conservatives) disagree. Haven't heard any of them defend Bundy and say he is not a racist. They are running like scalded dogs to distance themselves from his comments (and if those remarks really weren't racist, why should they? If they had proof they could show what he said was taken out of context as some claim).
Those guys aren't my gods.

 
The guy isn't a racist.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, along with Sean Hannity (plus many other conservatives) disagree. Haven't heard any of them defend Bundy and say he is not a racist. They are running like scalded dogs to distance themselves from his comments (and if those remarks really weren't racist, why should they? If they had proof they could show what he said was taken out of context as some claim).
Those guys aren't my gods.
Liberal atheist.

 
Some random racist: I hate America and think the blacks are only good at getting welfare

FFA Poster: I think this is a good time to have a reasonable discussion on welfare reform, why are people all worked up when I try to have that discussion?
There's actually been a long thread on welfare reform in the FFA recently. Odd that SweetJ, Captain Q, and Rove don't seem interested in having that discussion unless the entry point is "black people are only good for picking cotton".
I was having that discussion 4 years ago when BFS started it beyotch.
4 years ago? I'm pretty certain that there were older post than this one from 2007 but I'm not going to look any harder for post pruned survivors. This thread might eventually be a candidate to hijack for such a discussion, but not right now.

As for Bundy he is just the run of the mill racist that so many spend so much energy denying exist any longer.

 
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The guy isn't a racist.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, along with Sean Hannity (plus many other conservatives) disagree. Haven't heard any of them defend Bundy and say he is not a racist. They are running like scalded dogs to distance themselves from his comments (and if those remarks really weren't racist, why should they? If they had proof they could show what he said was taken out of context as some claim).
Those guys aren't my gods.
OK. Who is respected nationally among conservatives that is saying Bundy is not a racist or that he is misunderstood because what he has said has been taken out of context?

 
The guy isn't a racist.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, along with Sean Hannity (plus many other conservatives) disagree. Haven't heard any of them defend Bundy and say he is not a racist. They are running like scalded dogs to distance themselves from his comments (and if those remarks really weren't racist, why should they? If they had proof they could show what he said was taken out of context as some claim).
Those guys aren't my gods.
OK. Who is respected nationally among conservatives that is saying Bundy is not a racist or that he is misunderstood because what he has said has been taken out of context?
What does Bundy's ignorance have to to do with the way BLM has manged the land?

The fact is that they've driven the ranchers off of the land, while allowing environmentally harmful solar plants elsewhere in the same habitat. They've managed it in way that has harmed the endangered tortoise and enriched one percenters like Harry Reid and associates. I would also say that driving the cattle off has led to increased desertification of the land. But let's forget about all that because one guy said some really ignorant stuff....

 
The guy isn't a racist.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, along with Sean Hannity (plus many other conservatives) disagree. Haven't heard any of them defend Bundy and say he is not a racist. They are running like scalded dogs to distance themselves from his comments (and if those remarks really weren't racist, why should they? If they had proof they could show what he said was taken out of context as some claim).
Those guys aren't my gods.
OK. Who is respected nationally among conservatives that is saying Bundy is not a racist or that he is misunderstood because what he has said has been taken out of context?
What does Bundy's ignorance have to to do with the way BLM has manged the land?

The fact is that they've driven the ranchers off of the land, while allowing environmentally harmful solar plants elsewhere in the same habitat. They've managed it in way that has harmed the endangered tortoise and enriched one percenters like Harry Reid and associates. I would also say that driving the cattle off has led to increased desertification of the land. But let's forget about all that because one guy said some really ignorant stuff....
This is completely inaccurate from first cap to last period.

 
Fox's Krauthammer Blasts Conservatives For Their Support Of Cliven Bundy

Krauthammer: It's "Truly Appalling" That Anti-Government Stances Can Make You "A Conservative Hero"

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.
video clip at link: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022
Thought this deserved a bump.

 
Fox's Krauthammer Blasts Conservatives For Their Support Of Cliven Bundy

Krauthammer: It's "Truly Appalling" That Anti-Government Stances Can Make You "A Conservative Hero"

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.
video clip at link: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022
Thought this deserved a bump.
Yes it does.

 
Fox's Krauthammer Blasts Conservatives For Their Support Of Cliven Bundy

Krauthammer: It's "Truly Appalling" That Anti-Government Stances Can Make You "A Conservative Hero"

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.
video clip at link: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022
Thought this deserved a bump.
Yes it does.
Not really.
 
Fox's Krauthammer Blasts Conservatives For Their Support Of Cliven Bundy

Krauthammer: It's "Truly Appalling" That Anti-Government Stances Can Make You "A Conservative Hero"

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.
video clip at link: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022
Thought this deserved a bump.
Yes it does.
Not really.
Thanks. :hophead:

 
Fox's Krauthammer Blasts Conservatives For Their Support Of Cliven Bundy

Krauthammer: It's "Truly Appalling" That Anti-Government Stances Can Make You "A Conservative Hero"

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.
video clip at link: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022
Thought this deserved a bump.
Yes it does.
Not really.
It's "Truly Appalling" That Anti-Government Stances Can Make You "A Conservative Hero"

 
It does help that Obama is president, but I honestly believe that many conservatives are much more comfortable in situations like this, when they get to oppose the federal government, than they are when we have Republican presidencies, and they support law and order and the establishment. There is an anti-establishment strain among conservatives which they relish- it fits in with romantic notions of the old west and, to a certain extent, the Confederacy.
Is there a reason the cameras and mics are still out there?

Is he still in standoff mode, or have all the federales gone, or what?

News Headline: old white racist with gun collection and loose cattle discovered in remote Nevada desert.

 
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
Race traitor!
Racist old white guys LOVE Mexicans doncha know.
They also tend to use terms like "those people," "us white people," and make sweeping generalizations about entire populations based on race/religion/color of skin/etc.
isn't that what you're doing right now ? LOL
Identifying the attributes of a racist does not make one racist. Just like identifying the attributes of a candy bar does not make one a Snickers.
The guy isn't a racist.
Pretty sure if you asked him he'd say he was a racist.

 
Bundy and Sterling represent an old dying breed. They are relics of a different time. You would have hoped they would have learned, but some peoe are stuck in their ways and will never change.

 
Bundy and Sterling represent an old dying breed. They are relics of a different time. You would have hoped they would have learned, but some people are stuck in their ways and will never change.
Including a few on this forum that are a lot younger.

 
It does help that Obama is president, but I honestly believe that many conservatives are much more comfortable in situations like this, when they get to oppose the federal government, than they are when we have Republican presidencies, and they support law and order and the establishment. There is an anti-establishment strain among conservatives which they relish- it fits in with romantic notions of the old west and, to a certain extent, the Confederacy.
Is there a reason the cameras and mics are still out there?

Is he still in standoff mode, or have all the federales gone, or what?

News Headline: old white racist with gun collection and loose cattle discovered in remote Nevada desert.
Bundy is holding a press conference everyday.

He is inviting the press.

 
This case demonstrates the failure of community ownership of property. Ranchers are allowed to graze the land and build a life and a livelihood based on the ability to share the communal land. Then, at the whim of the Party Bosses, the land is re purposed and grazing rights are reduced, driving the ranchers out of business.

Central planning fail.
i hear they also took away his negroes
And now he has no cotton.
Making jokes about this guy being a racist is just letting anyone with a clue know that you were manipulated by the media
:lmao:
Even for the FFA this is a new level of stupid.

 
Cliven Bundy

Where is our colored brother? Where is our Mexican brother? Where is our Chinese? Where are they? They’re just as much American as we are, and they’re not with us. If they’re not with us, they’re going to be against us.
:lmao:

 
What's hilarious about this whole thing is how quickly people fed into any slapdash idea thrown out there by Bundy, the militia nuts, and message board posters about "ancestral rights", "prescriptive rights", the "feds seizing his land" --- any idea they could latch onto and throw out there without scrutiny. They wanted so bad for Bundy to be the rancher hero fighting the big bad government stealing land. And of course some of the media fed right into that, which didn't make any of the dumb claims more true. It just made them more public, and funnier.

 
It does help that Obama is president, but I honestly believe that many conservatives are much more comfortable in situations like this, when they get to oppose the federal government, than they are when we have Republican presidencies, and they support law and order and the establishment. There is an anti-establishment strain among conservatives which they relish- it fits in with romantic notions of the old west and, to a certain extent, the Confederacy.
Is there a reason the cameras and mics are still out there?

Is he still in standoff mode, or have all the federales gone, or what?

News Headline: old white racist with gun collection and loose cattle discovered in remote Nevada desert.
Bundy is holding a press conference everyday.

He is inviting the press.
Incredible. Sounds like Joe the Plumber redux.

 
What's hilarious about this whole thing is how quickly people fed into any slapdash idea thrown out there by Bundy, the militia nuts, and message board posters about "ancestral rights", "prescriptive rights", the "feds seizing his land" --- any idea they could latch onto and throw out there without scrutiny. They wanted so bad for Bundy to be the rancher hero fighting the big bad government stealing land. And of course some of the media fed right into that, which didn't make any of the dumb claims more true. It just made them more public, and funnier.
I actually went to the park where Occupy Wall Street was going on when I went to NYC a couple times over that period and I was down there. I'm going to say I have a hard time distinguishing the mentality behind both as to the participants and their view of their right to do what they want with public area and that of the followers who got all ginned up over "the cause".

The media at some point turns it into a reality show.

 
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I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.

 
I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.
Eventually the militia will become disillusioned and/or hungry, and they will go back to whence they came.

 
I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.
Eventually the militia will become disillusioned and/or hungry, and they will go back to whence they came.
King George III?
 
I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.
Eventually the militia will become disillusioned and/or hungry, and they will go back to whence they came.
King George III?
Sure. Cliven Bundy is a modern day Thomas Jefferson, but slightly less racist.

 
I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.
Eventually the militia will become disillusioned and/or hungry, and they will go back to whence they came.
King George III?
Sure. Cliven Bundy is a modern day Thomas Jefferson, but slightly less racist.
Jefferson can't be racist; no racist could ever be with a girl that was half black.

 
Lutherman2112 said:
Mr. Retukes said:
Dr Oadi said:
Mr. Retukes said:
fatness said:
I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.
Eventually the militia will become disillusioned and/or hungry, and they will go back to whence they came.
King George III?
Sure. Cliven Bundy is a modern day Thomas Jefferson, but slightly less racist.
Jefferson can't be racist; no racist could ever be with a girl that was half black.
Are you a bruce springsteen fan? love the lyrics "So if you're rough enough for love

Honey I'm tougher than the rest" "man turns his back on his family, well he aint no good"

 
Lutherman2112 said:
From that article:

April 26, 2014

On Friday, John Jacob Schmidt of Radio Free Redoubt said that according to Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers, Attorney General Eric Holder has approved drone strikes against the Bundy ranch to take place some time in the next 48 hours. According to Schmidt, the information came from a source Oath Keepers has within the Department of Defense.
This should be fairly easy to confirm. What time today do we think it'll hit?

 
Mr. Retukes said:
fatness said:
I'm still wondering how the locals are going to get the militia to leave. Horsford seems pretty concerned about it and was talking to local officials. I don't know that there's any routine method that local governments usually use to disperse an armed, semi-organized group defending a lawbreaker, without violence.
Eventually the militia will become disillusioned and/or hungry, and they will go back to whence they came.
That would be admitting defeat. They're fight for a noble cause: Getting On Television!

 
Lutherman2112 said:
Best part of that article:

Liberty Beacon went on to say that such a move by the government would be the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. The blog went on to suggest that the information might be intended to provoke violence, giving the government reason to impose martial law.

"So is this disinformation to get the boots on the ground to evacuate the scene so that BLM people can move in Waco style, or is it absolute bull to have us put out false info and destroy our credibility," the blog asked.
"destroy our credibility"

:lmao: :lmao:

 

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