Rah Rah! Seahawks! (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

Rotoworld, among others, is running reports about how the Seahawks are having a competition for their starting QB, going as far as to rotate who runs the 1st team offense each day.

Per roto: The Seahawks are rotating quarterbacks with the first-team offense day by day during Organized Team Activities

So one day Flynn leads the team, the next day its TJAX, and the next its Wilson.

C'MON MAN! What do you think you are pulling Pete? That stuff might work with kids in college but these are paid professionals in the NFL BUSINESS. These guys know who got paid to be a starter and who sucked so bad that the team felt it necessary TO GO OUT and pay a guy and draft another.

If you want to give a rookie some run; fine. We get it. But what are you even wasting your time with on TJAX? If you are supposed to be paid prefessional assessors of talent, then what were you doing ALL last year when you were watching TJAX?

Yeah, its early but when it comes to reps, a new QB on a team can never get too many opportunities to practice and demonstrate to the team his leadership skills. The team needs to have a clear single focus of who their leader is right away. What are you doing splitting opinions and wasting time? This is supposed to be an offense based on precision and timing of routes. So go out there and let THE GUY get some reps in without having all your offensive players go through the motions trying to learn three different guy's styles of delivery.

This accomplishes nothing. If you didn't want Flynn, then you shouldn't have signed him. If you honestly thought TJAX could turn a corner, then you should have given him another year. If you were convinced Wilson has what it takes, then you should go with him.

But stop playing college games and get this team operating like a pro team.

I've never disliked Pete Carroll but he seems so flighty (for lack of a better term). He's not the guy that looks like a mad genius with a method to the madness or a crazed scientist cooking something up in the lab. He just comes across as a guy that doesn't know what he wants but he thinks all things are possible. that's campus life, not NFL life. In the pros, you have to be a focussed leader among men. Pete Carroll needs to get that.

 

[Eminence]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

 

[Shutout]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

 

[ImTheScientist]

You're so jealous of the Hawks.

 

[ImTheScientist]

C'MON MAN! What do you think you are pulling Pete? That stuff might work with kids in college but these are paid professionals in the NFL BUSINESS. These guys know who got paid to be a starter and who sucked so bad that the team felt it necessary TO GO OUT and pay a guy and draft another.

Both Pete and John have said a number of times they don't care about what people think. They are about winning. They don't care how much a player makes....if you play well you start. More teams should be this way, they would get more out of their players. They have job security which leads to the freedom to build greatness.

 

[thriftyrocker]

What record do the Seahawks have to have at wk 10 (their bye) for Wilson not to start the rest of the year?

W: AZ, STL, MIN

L: DAL, GB, CAR, NE, SF, DET, NYJ

I don't think 3-7 cuts it even if Flynn did get $10mil.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

Who says its "too many mouths to feed"? Again, they don't care what the NFL thinks. The NFL thought Chris Clemons was washed up, Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner where too big to play corner, Red Bryant was a DT about to be out of the league.....well..... maybe the "NFL groupthink" way of going about things isn't always best. I like how they are going against the grain, you are either going to be truly great or out of the league, but at least they have the balls to do their own thing.

 

[ImTheScientist]

What record do the Seahawks have to have at wk 10 (their bye) for Wilson not to start the rest of the year?W: AZ, STL, MINL: DAL, GB, CAR, NE, SF, DET, NYJI don't think 3-7 cuts it even if Flynn did get $10mil.

5-5 or 6-4. Their front half of the schedule is loaded....but nationally the hawks are an unknown because of the Southeast Alaska isolation factor. They will surprise and contend with SF for the NFC WEST.PRO TIP: IDPers....don't sleep on Richard Sherman...just sayin

 

[menobrown]

I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed.

Got to agree with all of this. I don't think TJAX is horrible but he's not a starting QB in the NFL but more of a solid backup. Things have not always gone well for him or around him but by now they should know what they have.The problem with Carroll's approach is the practice reps. Flynn and Wilson are both new to the team so reps are very valuable so when people wonder what harm can come from allowing an open competition I'd say the harm is not giving the guy who is going to be your starting QB enough reps with his new team.

 

[Max Power]

I'm not a fan of Carroll at all. I wouldn't be suprised to see him fired in the next couple of years.

As far as the QB situation goes, I'm not sold on any of those three being the answer. I just hope for their sake, they pick a starter before the preseason is over and stick with him for the season.

 

[cstu]

I'm not a fan of Carroll at all. I wouldn't be suprised to see him fired in the next couple of years. As far as the QB situation goes, I'm not sold on any of those three being the answer. I just hope for their sake, they pick a starter before the preseason is over and stick with him for the season.

He's turned around a defense that was one of the worst in the league and they lost 5 games by a total of 16 points last year. With a little better offense they can be a 10-6 team.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm not a fan of Carroll at all. I wouldn't be suprised to see him fired in the next couple of years.

While this could be true and said for every NFL coach why would you say that about Carroll? If you had to rank NFL coaches with job security he would be at or near the top. In the first two years as coach he has a playoff victory under his belt and completely turned over the roster. Please explain why you feel he should be fired?

 

[mad sweeney]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Max Power]

I'm not a fan of Carroll at all. I wouldn't be suprised to see him fired in the next couple of years.

While this could be true and said for every NFL coach why would you say that about Carroll? If you had to rank NFL coaches with job security he would be at or near the top. In the first two years as coach he has a playoff victory under his belt and completely turned over the roster. Please explain why you feel he should be fired?

I'll give him another two years before I'd go as far as saying he SHOULD be fired. I'm probably more down on the guy than I should be thanks to how he left USC. But it boils down to the fact that I think it is a lot easier to take a sub par team and make them a middle of the road team than it is to get a middle of the road team over the top. Pete hasn't even been a .500 coach since he took over with Seattle. How long are fans and the organization going to be happy going 8-8 or 9-7 with a limited post season each year? The NFC West is the worst divison in the NFL right now. You should be beating the Rams and Cardinals on the regular.

I think it was questionable to let Hasselbeck go as well. It's fine if a team wants to build for the future, but have a freaking plan before you do. So far its been Charlie Whitehurst, then T.Jax, then Flynn and now Russell "the next drew brees" wilson. So let the face of of the franchise go and respond with 2 third round picks, and two middle of the road free agents. I think this will come back to bite them. As a Bears fan who suffered through 20 years of "play the backup" talk, I was so happy when they finally went big and got Cutler. While Cutler isn't perfect, he is above average starter and IS the plan and the man to build the team around.

I also think the "defensive turnaround" last season was a little bit of a fluke. The stats as a whole are nice, but they did play some of the worst QBs in the league multiple times last year. Outside of four games vs Romo, Eli, Ryan and Ben they didn't really play very tough QBs.

Wins against...

Alex Smith

Kevin Kolb

Flacco

Bradford

Vince Young

Caleb Hanie

While losing games to guys like Colt McCoy, Andy Dalton and Rex Grossman.

You guys really think they are going to fair better in 2012 with games against Rodgers, Stafford, Brady, Newton, and Romo? The saving grace is that they still have plenty of garbage teams their schedule as well.

I think you are looking at a 7-8 win team again. With another QB controversy in 2013.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'll give him another two years before I'd go as far as saying he SHOULD be fired. I'm probably more down on the guy than I should be thanks to how he left USC.

But it boils down to the fact that I think it is a lot easier to take a sub par team and make them a middle of the road team than it is to get a middle of the road team over the top. Pete hasn't even been a .500 coach since he took over with Seattle. How long are fans and the organization going to be happy going 8-8 or 9-7 with a limited post season each year? The NFC West is the worst divison in the NFL right now. You should be beating the Rams and Cardinals on the regular.

Pete won a playoff game....thats a lot more than the ATL falcons have done (for example) under Matt Ryan. I don't think people understand how POOR this team really was 3 years ago. The hawks have had more roster change than any team in football over the last 2 years. They now have one of the youngest teams in football. The majority of the fan base LOOOOVES Pete/John..... the remaining fans that don't are USC haters and can't let that go.

I think it was questionable to let Hasselbeck go as well. It's fine if a team wants to build for the future, but have a freaking plan before you do. So far its been Charlie Whitehurst, then T.Jax, then Flynn and now Russell "the next drew brees" wilson. So let the face of of the franchise go and respond with 2 third round picks, and two middle of the road free agents. I think this will come back to bite them. As a Bears fan who suffered through 20 years of "play the backup" talk, I was so happy when they finally went big and got Cutler. While Cutler isn't perfect, he is above average starter and IS the plan and the man to build the team around.

Hasselbeck isn't good, he was an injury concern, and they wanted to go in a direction without Hasselbeck. They couldn't move on and rebuild with Hasselbeck and he would have got killed at the start of last year. They totally have a plan, and that is why the city/fan base is loving this. Im not sure there is a group in the NFL currently with more of a plan....but then again I live in Seattle and am in tune with what they are doing where the majority of the country is not. Hawks are going against the grain instead of following like sheep......I love it. Its the only way to truly be great.....

I also think the "defensive turnaround" last season was a little bit of a fluke. The stats as a whole are nice, but they did play some of the worst QBs in the league multiple times last year. Outside of four games vs Romo, Eli, Ryan and Ben they didn't really play very tough QBs.

Wins against...

Alex Smith

Kevin Kolb

Flacco

Bradford

Vince Young

Caleb Hanie

While losing games to guys like Colt McCoy, Andy Dalton and Rex Grossman.

Last time I checked the NFL was a team sport. You sound caught up in what the media wants you to believe. Flaco and Smith's teams went pretty far in the playoffs yet you discount them? How did Eli do? Your argument sounds like you listen to Colin Cowherd and the ESPN talking heads all day....just a guess.

You guys really think they are going to fair better in 2012 with games against Rodgers, Stafford, Brady, Newton, and Romo? The saving grace is that they still have plenty of garbage teams their schedule as well.

I think you are looking at a 7-8 win team again. With another QB controversy in 2013.

Yes. The team is vastly improved.

 

[Abrantes]

As a Rams fan, the negative opinions on Pete Carroll surprise the heck out of me. Feels like the current front office has built a really solid foundation, and I actively enjoyed watching the way the team played last year (well, except against the Rams).

 

[Eminence]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

 

[werdnoynek]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

pete goes against the grain. but honestly, this is something i think anyone in the business would do right now. anyone... think about it. flynn is unproven, tjax is an underachiever, and wilson is a rookie... why declare a starter now? it does none of these guys good to name someone the starter this early - let them duke it out and have a competition. they aren't going to just kick tjax to the curb in OTA's, who knows what will happen tomorrow and... o yeah - the season hasn't started yet.

 

[cstu]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

pete goes against the grain. but honestly, this is something i think anyone in the business would do right now. anyone... think about it. flynn is unproven, tjax is an underachiever, and wilson is a rookie... why declare a starter now? it does none of these guys good to name someone the starter this early - let them duke it out and have a competition. they aren't going to just kick tjax to the curb in OTA's, who knows what will happen tomorrow and... o yeah - the season hasn't started yet.

Carroll knows it's Flynn's job, but what's wrong with making him work for it? Too much is being made out of this.

 

[werdnoynek]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

pete goes against the grain. but honestly, this is something i think anyone in the business would do right now. anyone... think about it. flynn is unproven, tjax is an underachiever, and wilson is a rookie... why declare a starter now? it does none of these guys good to name someone the starter this early - let them duke it out and have a competition. they aren't going to just kick tjax to the curb in OTA's, who knows what will happen tomorrow and... o yeah - the season hasn't started yet.

Carroll knows it's Flynn's job, but what's wrong with making him work for it? Too much is being made out of this.

i agree. on a side note... i love the job he's doing there. up and coming team imo... too bad they're in the nfc though. (packer fan talk...)

 

[mad sweeney]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

pete goes against the grain. but honestly, this is something i think anyone in the business would do right now. anyone... think about it. flynn is unproven, tjax is an underachiever, and wilson is a rookie... why declare a starter now? it does none of these guys good to name someone the starter this early - let them duke it out and have a competition. they aren't going to just kick tjax to the curb in OTA's, who knows what will happen tomorrow and... o yeah - the season hasn't started yet.

They'll kick TJax to the curb as soon as (or if) Wilson proves competent enough to be the backup. Too much is being made about his QB "solutions". It's extremely obvious that his QBs that he brought in were temporary (in case the 2 year contracts Whitehurst and Jackson signed weren't obvious enough). They concentrated on building a strong, fast defense, an actual NFL caliber OL and a running game before they grabbed a QB. What good does it do to waste money/high picks on a QB when there's no one to protect him and a D that makes him have to throw it all second half? No, they built a team that's only really missing a QB, then they went out and got 2 guys that they think can do it. Seriously, anyone who actually thought CW or TJ were Carroll's QBs which he was stamping his tenure with just aren't paying attention. Now, Flynn and/or Wilson ARE the guys Carroll will be judge by. But there's no doubt that the players are buying into what he's doing, the ownership is buying in (though if the rumors are true and Allen sells the team, that may change but if he's successful it shouldn't), the results are clear: the team is light years better than the dreck Idiot Ruskell left behind. I don't like all his moves, not all of them have panned out, and the new jerseys suck beyond all holy hell, but I won't question his moves until I see the results on the field.

 

[babydemon90]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

Sure, they know about TJax. They don't, however, know about Wilson or Flynn. So, they run them all through the same drills and get some good baselines. Makes sense.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Won't matter who's under center what day because they still aren't going to snatch the NFC West title from the 49ers . Sorry. I do think they could finish 2nd in the division though. I like them getting Flynn and Lynch is a skittles beast. Theyhave talent I'm not yet convinced Pete Carroll is the right coach for them. He strikes me more as a college coach, where yes, he's been very successful. That doesn't always tranfer over to the NFL. Yes, Harbaugh is a college coach but with a different mentality. Yet he could eventually fail as well. I don't think people can call us the NFC Worst anymore as the Rams,Cards and Seahawks have improved IMO. I just feel the 49ers are at the top of the division then either the Seahawks or Rams, then Arizona. I like Carroll's enthusiasm and hope he does well this time around in the NFL but I don't think his college ways will work too long for him in Seattle. No disrespect to the Seahawks as I like what additions they've added and should be a better team this year. I just think in a few years you'll have another coach, that's all.

 

[Shutout]

I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed.

Got to agree with all of this. I don't think TJAX is horrible but he's not a starting QB in the NFL but more of a solid backup. Things have not always gone well for him or around him but by now they should know what they have.

The problem with Carroll's approach is the practice reps. Flynn and Wilson are both new to the team so reps are very valuable so when people wonder what harm can come from allowing an open competition I'd say the harm is not giving the guy who is going to be your starting QB enough reps with his new team.

Exactly. You're a pro-level coach and GM. You're supposed to know by now what you have In TJAX and you're holding everyone back if you are limiting reps. Throwing good money after bad.

 

[Shutout]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed.

Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

He hasn't turned them around. You act like he's come in and restored a decayed city. All he's done is a pair of 7-9 seasons. Yes, the Hawks were worse the two years prior to him coming there, but they had a better record than 7-9 EVERY YEAR other than that since 1997.

 

[Incogneto]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed.

Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

He hasn't turned them around. You act like he's come in and restored a decayed city. All he's done is a pair of 7-9 seasons. Yes, the Hawks were worse the two years prior to him coming there, but they had a better record than 7-9 EVERY YEAR other than that since 1997.

you seem to be forgetting that every 'expert' was picking the seahawks to finish last in the division (a BAD division) each of the past 2 years. 8 wins and a PLAYOFF win against the defending SP champs in '10, and followed up with an even more surprising 7 win season last year.....? Kudos to Carroll and Schneider for the job they have done!

 

[Shutout]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed. Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

pete goes against the grain. but honestly, this is something i think anyone in the business would do right now. anyone... think about it. flynn is unproven, tjax is an underachiever, and wilson is a rookie... why declare a starter now? it does none of these guys good to name someone the starter this early - let them duke it out and have a competition. they aren't going to just kick tjax to the curb in OTA's, who knows what will happen tomorrow and... o yeah - the season hasn't started yet.

You and scientist can keep talking about how they "go against the grain" and how they have turned over so many people but, at the end of the day, change without some smarts doesn't mean that much. They changed when they brought in TJAX and jettisoned Hass and that doesn't look any smarter now than it did then. Going against the grain is dangerous in the NFL. IF you really DO make a difference, then sure, you get the Bill Belichick treatment and you win playoff games. But if you go 7-9 every year, you get fired. Bottom line: They may be doing some good things on parts of the team, but they didn't show they made a good decision with TJAX last year, and they are compounding it now by splitting valuable work, throwing good money after bad. If they honestly looked in the mirror and said "we know we got something in TJAX", then they shouldn't be spending money they could put somewhere else on another QB. And if they are willing to own up to that they made a mistake with their QB, then they need to be sending a message to the team that THIS is our guy and let him and the entire team be on board with who their leader is instead of them guessing which of these three are we going with? Get them some work, get some consistency. Quit playing like its pop warner and trying to give everyone a trophy.So here we are in year three and they have jettisoned their best QB, a QB who, right now, could be VERY helpful to Flynn making a transition to the team since they come from a similar background, they have wasted a draft pick on a QB they traded for with San Diego, they wasted a year on a QB that everyone said when they signed him last year "WHAT???", and now they invested 8% of their cap in a guy that they refuse to give the ball to and tell him to lead the team.

 

[Shutout]

You never know what competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed.

Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

He hasn't turned them around. You act like he's come in and restored a decayed city. All he's done is a pair of 7-9 seasons. Yes, the Hawks were worse the two years prior to him coming there, but they had a better record than 7-9 EVERY YEAR other than that since 1997.

you seem to be forgetting that every 'expert' was picking the seahawks to finish last in the division (a BAD division) each of the past 2 years. 8 wins and a PLAYOFF win against the defending SP champs in '10, and followed up with an even more surprising 7 win season last year.....? Kudos to Carroll and Schneider for the job they have done!

The NFL has such parity that those circumstances happen EVERY year. The year the Saints turned it around, everyone was predicting them to win 3-4 games. Nobody expected the Bengals to do ANYTHING last year and they made the playoffs too...with the same coach they have had for 10 years. A successful season in the NFL isn't all about the coach to the point that you just praise their genius. They still have to get some things right and playing the nut shell game with their QB isn't going to get it done.

 

[Hooper31]

They still have to get some things right and playing the nut shell game with their QB isn't going to get it done.

Nut shell game? You say this casually like there is such a thing as a sure fire plan other teams follow on the path to guaranteed success at the quarterback position. This reminds me of my favorite Parcells quote, "What do you think? We can just call 1-800-QUARTERBACK?"

 

[madhatter]

They still have to get some things right and playing the nut shell game with their QB isn't going to get it done.

Nut shell game? You say this casually like there is such a thing as a sure fire plan other teams follow on the path to guaranteed success at the quarterback position. This reminds me of my favorite Parcells quote, "What do you think? We can just call 1-800-QUARTERBACK?"

Bet you wish you could unjustly ban people right about now, eh?

 

[drater]

You never know shay competition may do to an athlete. As far as this trio thing doesn't carry on into Training Camp, I see no harm.

I aggree and disagree. Yes, competition is good. But come on; TJAX has been "in competition" for 5 years now at this level. He shouldn't need that push at this point.I really don't mind seeing Wilson get some time but the Seahawks SHOULD know by now what the deal is with TJAX. And, if nothing else, the time they are giving to TJAX takes away from Wilson. In the NFL, treating 3 QBs equally and splitting their reps is just too many mouths to feed.

Bill Parcels used to say "If you say you have 2 QBs, you have none." Well, what's it say if you are saying you have 3?

It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away. He's turned the Seahawks completely around in a short time. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

He hasn't turned them around. You act like he's come in and restored a decayed city. All he's done is a pair of 7-9 seasons. Yes, the Hawks were worse the two years prior to him coming there, but they had a better record than 7-9 EVERY YEAR other than that since 1997.

Only Hawks fans know how depressingly bare Ruskell and Holmgren left the cupboard at the end of their decline. I don't agree with all the moves by the current regime but it's volumes better than the previous #### show.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Won't matter who's under center what day because they still aren't going to snatch the NFC West title from the 49ers . Sorry. I do think they could finish 2nd in the division though. I like them getting Flynn and Lynch is a skittles beast. Theyhave talent I'm not yet convinced Pete Carroll is the right coach for them. He strikes me more as a college coach, where yes, he's been very successful. That doesn't always tranfer over to the NFL. Yes, Harbaugh is a college coach but with a different mentality. Yet he could eventually fail as well. I don't think people can call us the NFC Worst anymore as the Rams,Cards and Seahawks have improved IMO. I just feel the 49ers are at the top of the division then either the Seahawks or Rams, then Arizona. I like Carroll's enthusiasm and hope he does well this time around in the NFL but I don't think his college ways will work too long for him in Seattle. No disrespect to the Seahawks as I like what additions they've added and should be a better team this year. I just think in a few years you'll have another coach, that's all.

You act like the 49ers dominated the division for years...... they won the NFC West for the first time in YEARS..... historically speaking the Hawks have been better in the NFC West than the 49ers since their arival. In addition to that the Hawks won the NFC just the year before. Funny how fast 49ers fan forgets.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You and scientist can keep talking about how they "go against the grain" and how they have turned over so many people but, at the end of the day, change without some smarts doesn't mean that much. They changed when they brought in TJAX and jettisoned Hass and that doesn't look any smarter now than it did then. Going against the grain is dangerous in the NFL. IF you really DO make a difference, then sure, you get the Bill Belichick treatment and you win playoff games. But if you go 7-9 every year, you get fired.

How did HASS do compaired to TJax? Check Hass w/ the hawks the previous year and then look at Tjax last year....you may learn a little. Hass is at the end of the line...the Hawks want a QB that can win them a superbowl and someone to move into the future with. They have that guy now...Bottom line.

Bottom line: They may be doing some good things on parts of the team, but they didn't show they made a good decision with TJAX last year, and they are compounding it now by splitting valuable work, throwing good money after bad. If they honestly looked in the mirror and said "we know we got something in TJAX", then they shouldn't be spending money they could put somewhere else on another QB. And if they are willing to own up to that they made a mistake with their QB, then they need to be sending a message to the team that THIS is our guy and let him and the entire team be on board with who their leader is instead of them guessing which of these three are we going with? Get them some work, get some consistency. Quit playing like its pop warner and trying to give everyone a trophy.

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

So here we are in year three and they have jettisoned their best QB, a QB who, right now, could be VERY helpful to Flynn making a transition to the team since they come from a similar background, they have wasted a draft pick on a QB they traded for with San Diego, they wasted a year on a QB that everyone said when they signed him last year "WHAT???", and now they invested 8% of their cap in a guy that they refuse to give the ball to and tell him to lead the team.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

 

[Buffaloes]

How did HASS do compaired to TJax? Check Hass w/ the hawks the previous year and then look at Tjax last year....you may learn a little. Hass is at the end of the line...the Hawks want a QB that can win them a superbowl and someone to move into the future with. They have that guy now...Bottom line.

was this the deal with Whitehurst too?

 

[cstu]

How did HASS do compaired to TJax? Check Hass w/ the hawks the previous year and then look at Tjax last year....you may learn a little. Hass is at the end of the line...the Hawks want a QB that can win them a superbowl and someone to move into the future with. They have that guy now...Bottom line.

was this the deal with Whitehurst too?

You try to get starting QB's on the cheap and you're going to be disappointed a lot. I'm not sure what Seattle was thinking with that trade. Clearly they didn't think much of him since they only gave him a 2 year, $8M deal, which is practically backup money.

 

[Buffaloes]

How did HASS do compaired to TJax? Check Hass w/ the hawks the previous year and then look at Tjax last year....you may learn a little. Hass is at the end of the line...the Hawks want a QB that can win them a superbowl and someone to move into the future with. They have that guy now...Bottom line.

was this the deal with Whitehurst too?

You try to get starting QB's on the cheap and you're going to be disappointed a lot.

Agreed. So I'm not sure which of the 3 QBs in Seattle is the one that can win them a Super Bowl. The career backup who was meh starting for them last year? The career backup who didn't get much FA interest & whose team his former OC is now the head coach of wouldn't sign him to a big contract? Or the undersized midround rookie QB?

 

[mad sweeney]

Won't matter who's under center what day because they still aren't going to snatch the NFC West title from the 49ers . Sorry. I do think they could finish 2nd in the division though. I like them getting Flynn and Lynch is a skittles beast. Theyhave talent I'm not yet convinced Pete Carroll is the right coach for them. He strikes me more as a college coach, where yes, he's been very successful. That doesn't always tranfer over to the NFL. Yes, Harbaugh is a college coach but with a different mentality. Yet he could eventually fail as well. I don't think people can call us the NFC Worst anymore as the Rams,Cards and Seahawks have improved IMO. I just feel the 49ers are at the top of the division then either the Seahawks or Rams, then Arizona. I like Carroll's enthusiasm and hope he does well this time around in the NFL but I don't think his college ways will work too long for him in Seattle. No disrespect to the Seahawks as I like what additions they've added and should be a better team this year. I just think in a few years you'll have another coach, that's all.

I don't see how the Rams have improved. They may, much like SF did last year. Both teams have been picking at the top of the draft for years and are loaded with talent. I really think that it shows just how godawful Nolan and Singletary were when you compare it with Harbaugh. Seriously, SF has sooooo many top picks on OL, DL, LB plus Gore and Crabtree, Davis.... It's mindboggling how a coach can't win with those guys, yet it took Harbaugh to realize it and the Achilles Heel kept them from the SB, Alex Smith, a first overall pick. Carroll didn't inherit anything near what Jimmay did, yet he's turned it into a top 10 running game (with backup OL) and a top 5 defense. The core of Seattle is all young, signed for years and other than at LB is far superior to any other NFCW team. I agree that the division is no longer the laughing stock. Fischer should have the Lambs turned around within a year or two, AZ was just in the SB a few years ago (for a bad division, they've had 2 SB teams in 6 years). Might overtake the NFCE in a year or two. But that's the deal, you need the owners to sign off on the moves and I don't think all the teams in the division were into it. The Rams still might be LA's new team, especially with the Viqueens getting their stadium deal approved. Them or the Chargers. I like Harbaugh vs Carroll for the NFCW. Uniforms aside, I think that the Hawks are the better team. Again, despite the number of high draft picks Harbaugh inherited. But seriously, Carrroll defeated the defending champs with a no-name OL, stifling D, outcoaching one of the best OCs in the biz while Jimmay couldn't get to to the SB with seemingly half his roster in the probowl or a 1st round pick. Edge Carroll. Plus, I was at the game that engendered the bad blood between the two. USC had the game won by 2 TDs late in the 4th quarter. Petey called a run up the middle. 2-3 yard gain and Harbaigh called a TO. So, assuming that Jim thought he could win if he gets the ball back, Pete ran a flea flicker that went for a 45+ yard TD. The handshake was terse but hey, don't call a TO if you don't want them to maximize. That was Barkley. I wonder if, the Seahawks suck as bad as their jerseys that they wouldn't bomb it or pay for the high pick to get him. He's a super Christian, but I'd like him throwing TDs for the Lord on my team!

 

[mad sweeney]

How did HASS do compaired to TJax? Check Hass w/ the hawks the previous year and then look at Tjax last year....you may learn a little. Hass is at the end of the line...the Hawks want a QB that can win them a superbowl and someone to move into the future with. They have that guy now...Bottom line.

was this the deal with Whitehurst too?

You try to get starting QB's on the cheap and you're going to be disappointed a lot.

Agreed. So I'm not sure which of the 3 QBs in Seattle is the one that can win them a Super Bowl. The career backup who was meh starting for them last year? The career backup who didn't get much FA interest & whose team his former OC is now the head coach of wouldn't sign him to a big contract? Or the undersized midround rookie QB?

Jackson was a placeholder while they built a team around the QB position. Jax is gone, period. CW already gone and although they paid for him, it wasn't high priced. TJ won't be on the roster week 1, guaranteed.

 

[Hooper31]

They still have to get some things right and playing the nut shell game with their QB isn't going to get it done.

Nut shell game? You say this casually like there is such a thing as a sure fire plan other teams follow on the path to guaranteed success at the quarterback position. This reminds me of my favorite Parcells quote, "What do you think? We can just call 1-800-QUARTERBACK?"

Bet you wish you could unjustly ban people right about now, eh?

 

[biju]

There is so much pent up anger against Pete Carroll and I really don't get it. I see some posters that always put "Rah Rah" by his name and I think "What the hell did this guy do to this person's mother/sister/dog to deserve this?"

Let me quickly run down the list of people's complaints with the Seahawks QBs and the counter-point:

- Matt Hasselbeck: We didn't re-sign him and he was the best QB on our team going out of 2010. Yes, but in a strike shortened season when we were getting a new OC we weren't going to have the time to go over the entire playbook and he was asking for $10M on a two-year deal. The Titans overpaid for him.

- Charlie Whitehurst: They traded a 3rd round pick for him and moved down in the 2nd to acquire him and he busted. Yes, but it was a cheap risk for someone that John Schneider had already scouted and had a chance at being a potential starter. Did it work out? Of course not, but that's a risk you have to take to find a QB. We didn't overpay him (2 years, $4M a year) during his stint so it wasn't as much of a cost as people like to think.

- Tarvaris Jackson: Known quantity at QB and was never special. Yep, and in a strike shortened season with a new OC and new O-line I would prefer to not throw a brittle Hasselbeck or rookie at them. Jackson was more or less a tackling dummy, not the future. For some reason people outside the PNW don't get that. Again, we didn't overpay him (2 years, $4M a year) so I don't see the issue.

- Matt Flynn: Brought in and paid to be the starter, so he should be the starter. Nobody should win a job because they make more money. Think about the job you do and if your management brought some new guy in and paid him more money. Should he immediately get your job, or would you like the opportunity to show that your skills and experience just simply come at a lower price? There is a weird double-standard regarding NFL players and salaries that I don't understand. We paid him a guaranteed $10M over the course of a 3 year $19M contract which again is extremely reasonable for someone who might turn out the be the future. If he doesn't it wasn't a 6 year $65M deal like Kolb got (which I think clouds everyone's perception on what we paid vs. what we received).

- Russell Wilson: Too short. Well, we're about to see what too short can do, eh? So far I like what I've seen. People are upset because he's being given a shot just the same as Flynn I suppose mostly because of the money situation. Again, don't get what money has to do with it at all. If the guy works out great, if not it isn't going to be the first time a 3rd rounder doesn't cut it in the game today.

I think you have to take risks to get a franchise caliber QB. What Pete Carroll and John Schneider have done so far is show that they will take those risks until the find their guy. I would say that's better than half the league and how they approach the position.

Fire away haters.

 

[biju]

What record do the Seahawks have to have at wk 10 (their bye) for Wilson not to start the rest of the year?W: AZ, STL, MINL: DAL, GB, CAR, NE, SF, DET, NYJI don't think 3-7 cuts it even if Flynn did get $10mil.

Honestly I think you need to revisit this list too. Some of these games I wouldn't bet on the other team on their own home turf (NYJ, CAR) as certainties, but some of them are in Seattle (DAL, GB, NE, NYJ) where it is a very different atmosphere. I won't be delusional and think we'll win the GB and NE games, but the DAL game will be close and we'll beat the Jets.I see it like this:W: ARI (away), STL (away), CAR, MIN, NYJL: GB, NE, SF (away), DETWildcard: DALwhich means we have home games against ARI, STL and SF of which I would expect to win 2 of those (and, depending on SF health might be all three) and the remaining three are MIA (away), CHI (away) and BUF (away). I suspect 1 win there against Miami.That's a record of 8-8 or 9-7 depending on that Dallas game. Not a world-beating scenario, but it's making the right kind of progress again year over year.

 

[Donnybrook]

Remember when Pete and John were slagging the Vikings for jerking Tjax around. Including TJax in the 3 man QB rotation is a futile attempt on their part not to look like hypocrites.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Remember when Pete and John were slagging the Vikings for jerking Tjax around. Including TJax in the 3 man QB rotation is a futile attempt on their part not to look like hypocrites.

I don't remember..... but is making a QB compete jerking someone around?

 

[cstu]

Matt Flynn: Matt Flynn stands out at Seahawks OTAsMatt Flynn - QB - SEA - May. 27 - 8:18 pm etAccording to Pro Football Weekly, Matt Flynn was "by far" the best quarterback at the Seahawks' first OTA practice open to the media.Flynn stood out for his ability to "withstand pressure and avoid turnovers," and he remains on track to separate himself in training camp. The Seahawks have more OTAs beginning on Wednesday and lasting through Friday. It will be interesting to see whether Russell Wilson or Tarvaris Jackson's reps dwindle. May. 27 - 8:18 pm etSource: Pro Football Weekly

 

[biju]

Remember when Pete and John were slagging the Vikings for jerking Tjax around. Including TJax in the 3 man QB rotation is a futile attempt on their part not to look like hypocrites.

So by this you assume that Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson are better than Tarvaris Jackson right now, right? In other words, why "jerk him around" when they already know he's not going to start? I don't have any idea how people can come to this conclusion with just a couple of OTAs under their belt and no practices in pads.The internet has made too many people think they can actually coach better by the few games they've seen and gut feelings than actual professionals. It's amazing.

 

[cacksman]

So many people that kmow zilch about the Seahawks the past few years, sure do have strong opinions.

Pete Carroll haters, take a look at the roster he inherited and take a look at it now. A bit more shocking of a change than the all star just underperforming team that Harbaugh inherited.

 

[Shutout]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

 

[Shutout]

There is so much pent up anger against Pete Carroll and I really don't get it. I see some posters that always put "Rah Rah" by his name and I think "What the hell did this guy do to this person's mother/sister/dog to deserve this?"

Let me quickly run down the list of people's complaints with the Seahawks QBs and the counter-point:

- Matt Hasselbeck: We didn't re-sign him and he was the best QB on our team going out of 2010. Yes, but in a strike shortened season when we were getting a new OC we weren't going to have the time to go over the entire playbook and he was asking for $10M on a two-year deal. The Titans overpaid for him.

- Charlie Whitehurst: They traded a 3rd round pick for him and moved down in the 2nd to acquire him and he busted. Yes, but it was a cheap risk for someone that John Schneider had already scouted and had a chance at being a potential starter. Did it work out? Of course not, but that's a risk you have to take to find a QB. We didn't overpay him (2 years, $4M a year) during his stint so it wasn't as much of a cost as people like to think.

- Tarvaris Jackson: Known quantity at QB and was never special. Yep, and in a strike shortened season with a new OC and new O-line I would prefer to not throw a brittle Hasselbeck or rookie at them. Jackson was more or less a tackling dummy, not the future. For some reason people outside the PNW don't get that. Again, we didn't overpay him (2 years, $4M a year) so I don't see the issue.

- Matt Flynn: Brought in and paid to be the starter, so he should be the starter. Nobody should win a job because they make more money. Think about the job you do and if your management brought some new guy in and paid him more money. Should he immediately get your job, or would you like the opportunity to show that your skills and experience just simply come at a lower price?

Poll some NFL execs. I don't think ANY of them will tell you 2nd and 3rd round draft picks are "cheap". These draft picks are what good teams use to build the foundation of good teams.No, that's not what you "Have" to do. Its what you do when you don't possess the skills to assess talent.

When it comes to NFL players, we are talking about investments of MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars. Those decisions aren't made (not supposed to anyway) light-heartedly or without a ton of critical assessment. When an NFL team opens a check book and writes a multi-million dollar check, it should be because they KNOW that the guy they are writing the check is an upgrade; not write the check and then once you have them both in the building, say "You know what, I think the other guy can put keep this guy off the field." That's rediculous. If you have a ford Pinto and you go down to the dealership and open your checkbook for a BMW, its not because you have ANY doubt in your mind that the Pinto is as capable as the BMW.

A HUGE part of running a team is based on making SOUND financial and strategic decisions. So if you waste draft picks or money/cap space, you are doing your team a disservice and it will catch up with you. When's the last time you saw a team give money to 3 punters and just let them have at it? Those guys are dirt cheap (relatively) and you don't see it happen. They decide on a guy, maybe two..sometimes..and they get as many reps and looks at the guys as they can and they get rid of one as soon as they can.

If Carroll wants to give everyone a trophy and hold pep rallies, it won't be long before he's back on a campus where they actually exist. The NFL is as much business as it is entertainment and games and you can't waste an owner's time and money indefinitely.

 

[mad sweeney]

Yeah. Everyone who KNOWS they've GOT their GUY signs them to TWO year deals. That's CERTAINLY not a clue that THEY'RE building a team AROUND a position. SORRY you think coaches TELL the truth all THE time, but they don't. That's WHY I said people who thought Whitehurst or Jackson WERE serious long term SOLUTIONS weren't paying ATTENTION. Two YEAR deal = TRYOUT.

 

[thayman]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."