Again, I think Guy was great, but I also think that there is zero appreciation for how good Lechler is. Ray Guy was in the NFL for 14 seasons and lead the league in punting 3 times. His longest gross average was 45.3 yards (and he wasn't first in the league that year). His career average of 42.4 yards is good for 73rd all time.Check this out from NFL filmsThere's all sorts of ridiculous claims about his hangtime and such that just simply aren't even possible. I'm sure he was better than all of the punters of his time. There's a good chance he's still one of the best ever. But that doesn't mean he could out punt Lechler. I believe Lechler has the records for longest gross and net punt average for a season. And it blows away Guy.LOL @ "myth"...No, he's before my time. But I think he's a guy whose legend is bigger than his actual performance. He was a great punter, but I think he's more myth than reality at this point.Grove, were you watching when Guy was playing? You didn't have to be a Raider fan to know how good this guy was.
Sucks NFL redzone is only active on sundays...Possibly the least exciting game I've ever watched this is like preseason week 5
Again, I'm not a Raiders fan at all(Packer backer all the way), but I watched Guy play and it's about way more than averages. His hang-time was insane and his ability to trap teams inside the 10 was second to none. He was a big time weapon for the Raiders.It's absolutely criminal that he's not in the HOF, but he's the only punter whose name is ever mentioned when the voting begins.Check this out from NFL filmsThere's all sorts of ridiculous claims about his hangtime and such that just simply aren't even possible. I'm sure he was better than all of the punters of his time. There's a good chance he's still one of the best ever. But that doesn't mean he could out punt Lechler. I believe Lechler has the records for longest gross and net punt average for a season. And it blows away Guy.LOL @ "myth"...No, he's before my time. But I think he's a guy whose legend is bigger than his actual performance. He was a great punter, but I think he's more myth than reality at this point.Grove, were you watching when Guy was playing? You didn't have to be a Raider fan to know how good this guy was.
It would be cool if you didn't make things up. Nobody disrespected Lechler. He is amazing.I simply took issue with your comment that Guy was a myth. It's an especially laughable comment since you admit you never saw him play.Check this out from NFL filmsThere's all sorts of ridiculous claims about his hangtime and such that just simply aren't even possible. I'm sure he was better than all of the punters of his time. There's a good chance he's still one of the best ever. But that doesn't mean he could out punt Lechler. I believe Lechler has the records for longest gross and net punt average for a season. And it blows away Guy.LOL @ "myth"...No, he's before my time. But I think he's a guy whose legend is bigger than his actual performance. He was a great punter, but I think he's more myth than reality at this point.Grove, were you watching when Guy was playing? You didn't have to be a Raider fan to know how good this guy was.
I was hoping that was by design.McFadden is taking way too much contact. Also, I notice he has been takint himself out almost every other play.
Hue Jackson runs the show.I was hoping that was by design.McFadden is taking way too much contact. Also, I notice he has been takint himself out almost every other play.
Another thing to consider is the Raiders were actually a great team back then, so it wasn't just about cutting it loose. If Guy was kicking for the Raiders for the last several years, my guess is that he would have much higher averages.Check this out from NFL filmsThere's all sorts of ridiculous claims about his hangtime and such that just simply aren't even possible. I'm sure he was better than all of the punters of his time. There's a good chance he's still one of the best ever. But that doesn't mean he could out punt Lechler. I believe Lechler has the records for longest gross and net punt average for a season. And it blows away Guy.LOL @ "myth"...No, he's before my time. But I think he's a guy whose legend is bigger than his actual performance. He was a great punter, but I think he's more myth than reality at this point.Grove, were you watching when Guy was playing? You didn't have to be a Raider fan to know how good this guy was.
He's got 18 carries for 96 yards and we're barely halfway through the 3rd QTR. People will complain about anything...........McFadden is taking way too much contact. Also, I notice he has been taking himself out almost every other play.
Agreed, a gallup to the end zone would put nice cap on it.DMC still on pace for 30 carries. He's playing great.
318 penalties to this point. 4 more would tie the record.
2318 penalties to this point. 4 more would tie the record.
Hard to complete passes when your receivers drop them consistently.These 2 QBs are both just terrible.
Dear god, what has happened to this place? I am concerned since he nearly had his head twisted off and has taken two to three big shots on his last few carries.He's got 18 carries for 96 yards and we're barely halfway through the 3rd QTR. People will complain about anything...........McFadden is taking way too much contact. Also, I notice he has been taking himself out almost every other play.
That throw to Fells was just awful, hard to call that one a drop. He's running full speed to the right sideline and he has to reach back and to his shoestrings for it.Hard to complete passes when your receivers drop them consistently.These 2 QBs are both just terrible.
Why did they have to decline one of those? Roughing the passer happened during the play and the other one was a dead ball foul. Shouldn't it be 30 yards?
Kinda weirdSorry my comment was in reference to the second part of your post. He has 18 carries already so I hardly think he's "taking himself ouf almost every other play". Every stud rb takes their share of hits. He'll be fine.Dear god, what has happened to this place? I am concerned since he nearly had his head twisted off and has taken two to three big shots on his last few carries.He's got 18 carries for 96 yards and we're barely halfway through the 3rd QTR. People will complain about anything...........McFadden is taking way too much contact. Also, I notice he has been taking himself out almost every other play.
We're in Denver here. Essentially the ball is filled with helium. In fact, on an equivalent scale Dempsey's FG would be right at about 70 in Denver yards.yeah that will be the "live ball" era and they will inflate the footballs with helium.GroveDiesel: "Janikowski's big leg is just a myth."Guys will be kicking 70 yard FGs regularly in a couple of decades. No big deal.
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Its called a contact sport for a reason, this is football after all not badminton. If your not willing to take and give big hits then you should be playing chess not football.Dear god, what has happened to this place? I am concerned since he nearly had his head twisted off and has taken two to three big shots on his last few carries.He's got 18 carries for 96 yards and we're barely halfway through the 3rd QTR. People will complain about anything...........McFadden is taking way too much contact. Also, I notice he has been taking himself out almost every other play.