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Raiders to make run at Michael Vick (1 Viewer)
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Not saying its completely out of the question, but there would be almost $35 mil in dead money combined for those two teams in 2007-2008.
Not sure why Blank, who has said he doesnt want someone of Moss' character before (and presumably that would extend to Jerry Porter also) would want to make this deal.
If this werent from SI, Id think it got made up on a message board somewhere, as it doesnt really make any sense.
Not sure why Blank, who has said he doesnt want someone of Moss' character before (and presumably that would extend to Jerry Porter also) would want to make this deal.
If this werent from SI, Id think it got made up on a message board somewhere, as it doesnt really make any sense.
Interesting concept. It would appear (on the surface) that this would be close to "cap neutral" (though I could be off based on some numbers I have seen for a Vick cap hit). I may turn out to be in the minority, but I think this could be a win/win. They could go with Schaub (and based on a "Petrino offense", that's probably good) get an upgrade at receiver (talent, not attitude per se) and have more options in the draft. The Raiders get their QB and would be at the right spot to take make a pick for their O-line.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
What are the new rules with cap hits? You can spread them out over 2 years?
Seems like if a deal like this was EVER going to happen, this would be the year for it. It will be the second year ina row the cap gets bumped up, and a lot of teams are going to have a lot of room under the new cap. Maybe they can take the cap hits and actually make this work.
Seems like if a deal like this was EVER going to happen, this would be the year for it. It will be the second year ina row the cap gets bumped up, and a lot of teams are going to have a lot of room under the new cap. Maybe they can take the cap hits and actually make this work.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
soooo, who would Vick throw to in OAL if Moss and Porter are now Falcons? #10 overall is too late for Calvin Johnson.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
So we would get Vick, but he would have no one to throw to? Brilliant!
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Pretty hilarious is the prospect of Vick getting traded and having WORSE receiving options than he did in Atlanta.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Its ~$22mil in 2007 before June 1, or ~$7mil in 2007 and $15mil in 2008, I believe.Blank would have to be REALLY mad at Vick and REALLY want him gone to deal him before 2008.
H.K.
Footballguy
Schaub to Moss, with Porter, Jenkins, Crumpler, Dunn, Norwood & White?Doubt it will happen with Blank's previously stated position on Randy, but Atlants could have a potent offense if the deal were made.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
This will be 6 pages long by midnight.
Lets play along
What would ATL then draft at the #1 slot?
Or would they trade down?
I guess Oak at #10 could go Ginn or Jarrett?
Lets play along
What would ATL then draft at the #1 slot?
Or would they trade down?
I guess Oak at #10 could go Ginn or Jarrett?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Well of course once ATL got Moss and Porter, Lelie and Finneran would be cut so the Raiders could get them nice and cheap.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
If this happens Schaub becomes a Top 10 FF QB prospect.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Does it matter?
Fixed.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
SI's Truth and Rumors page is just a compilation of stuff from other sources. They cite foxsports.com on this one. And when the term 'according to NFL sources' is used, it could mean just about anybody with a pulse.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Curry is a better receiver than Porter, as he was showing the year they started together prior to his injury. As for Moss, as unmotivated as he had become, almost anyone would be better than he was showing this year. So if this trade did happen, with Moss and Porter gone Curry becomes a #20-25 fantasy WR IMO.
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Won't happen, for all the hype about schaub the fact is vick has a better career completion percentage, a better TD - INT ratio, and more importantly schaub has never won a game he started while vick has won around 60% of his games. The raiders' might have had a chance if blank had given up on vick last week because of the water bottle incident, but now it's known by the NFL that whatever vick was hiding wasn't marijuana.
mozzy84
Footballguy
so you actually think Atlanta would be getting screwed here
dgreen
Footballguy
Right, because the cure for laziness and a bad attitude is a QB with 161 career pass attempts, a roof on the stadium, and some carpet....and as a Moss owner I'd be very happy with this deal. Schaub to Mossi a dome on a fast playing field?
Absolutely not, Atlanta would be fools to pass on that trade. I mean they could have the chance to start a qb with a winning percentage of zero, they would have to pay $8 mil a year to a wr who hasn't had more than 1,005 yards since 2003, and on top of all that the falcons would get the raiders' third best wr. What's not to love about that deal?so you actually think Atlanta would be getting screwed here
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PahtyTom
Footballguy
Check out Moss' outdoors grass/dome turf splits. It's pretty remarkable from what I remember.Right, because the cure for laziness and a bad attitude is a QB with 161 career pass attempts, a roof on the stadium, and some carpet....and as a Moss owner I'd be very happy with this deal. Schaub to Mossi a dome on a fast playing field?
Why is everyone saying that Schaub would be the QB? They could draft Russel (my preference) or Quinn. They could trade the number one pick for more picks, and/or they could trade Moss after they get him. If this trade is on the table Atlanta should take it, it gives them so many options, they can basically redo their offense without taking a step back. Moss is a pos, I agree, but I still think this is a great trade for Atlanta.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Even if it is Schaub, they ought to draft another QB just to protect themselves.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
JaMarcus Russel would fit in very nicely in that offense methinks.
SoFresh&SoClean
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The cure for laziness and bad attitude is putting Moss in a situation where he is happy and motivated to play well again.Maybe..Right, because the cure for laziness and a bad attitude is a QB with 161 career pass attempts, a roof on the stadium, and some carpet....and as a Moss owner I'd be very happy with this deal. Schaub to Mossi a dome on a fast playing field?
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
My shot in the dark is they try to see what they can get out of Andrew Walter.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
-QG
Tau837
Footballguy
It never ceases to amaze me how overrated Matt Schaub is on this forum. He has a limited sample size, in which he has been terrible, and he has never won a game. IMO the Falcons will be worse if they trade Vick and plan to go with Schaub, regardless of who they take at 1.1.
I'm not familiar with Petrino's offense. Is he the type of coach who will adapt to his players? If so, now is a poor time to trade Vick... he should only get better with decent coaching... and how could the receivers not improve? If Petrino is another guy who will try to make Vick fit an offense that doesn't suit his abilities, however, that might be a reason to trade him. But frankly that would make me question the hire.
I'm not familiar with Petrino's offense. Is he the type of coach who will adapt to his players? If so, now is a poor time to trade Vick... he should only get better with decent coaching... and how could the receivers not improve? If Petrino is another guy who will try to make Vick fit an offense that doesn't suit his abilities, however, that might be a reason to trade him. But frankly that would make me question the hire.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Completely agree with the Schaub love. Reminds me a lot of Billy Volek after his '04 season. I never understood that either. Keep in mind that ATL may be in love with somebody at 1.1. If that was Russel or Quinn they still may not be looking at Schaub as a savior but more as a stop-gap until Russel or Quinn were ready to take over the team. If you were a huge fan of Russel or Quinn and weren't convinced Vick would ever be more than a good FF QB then I'm not so sure the salary cap hit would dissuade you from making the trade. If you are investing a ton of $ into one of them it's doubtful Russel/Quinn has you in the SB hunt in the next two years anyway... VY like heroics aside. Maybe they don't want to just replace the HC but rebuild the chemistry on the team from the top down. A lot depends on just how "upset" Blank is about Vicks off the field actions. His statements off the field certainly hasn't painted him in the best light as a leader even without his receint troubles.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Ashley LeLie must be just thrilled with that rumor.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
IF this trade actually happens, and as a Raider fan, I sincerely hope it doesn't, Ted Ginn Jr would be the pick IMO. Especially after he'll clock one of the fastest 40's at the combine LOL.
massraider
Footballguy
If the rumor is to be believed, then the Raiders initiated the talks, so it would seem they are more in love with Vick than ATL is with Quinn or whoever.Some problems with this rumor:1. If Vick is gonna get traded, next offseason makes a ton, a ton more sense. The numbers are out there if anyone cares to look them up.2. They have Shaub for another season, assuming nothing out of the ordinary happens. No rush to move Vick this offseason.3. Vick's just greatly increased his chances of being entered into the league's drug program, and he's gonna get moved for the #1 pick? Okaaaay......4. Even without paying for his prorated base salary, Vick's base salaries down the road exeed 12 mill, IIRC. That's a pretty big investment on a guy with serious questions.5. Any rumor with such detail makes me wonder. It's January 23, and we already have three players and two draft picks named? You know what a true rumor sounds like? "Sources say the Raiders have quietly inquired about Mike Vick."It wouldn't surprise me if this rumor came right from Ben Maller's rear end. Funny, when you click on the story on his web page, it just brings you to Mike Vick's player page.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
And why would the Falcons want Moss and Porter included in the deal when they could draft the best WR prospect to come out in years (and the opposite of a prima donna) with the #1 pick...?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
So if this happens, then the Vick apologists can blame not only the lack of WRs but also the lack of an OL for Vick's inability to pass the ball?And if it is true that Vick's been limited due to crappy WRs in Atlanta, why would the Falcons not try and get a WR to help him (Jarrett in draft?) than get rid of him?
SwampDawg
Footballguy
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